" Baani PTI Ko Nikaal Den Ge To Un Ke Baghair Siyasi Istehkaam Kaisay Aaye Ga " Fawad Chaudhry

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00:00Do you agree that this is not a popular thing, especially for the PTI camp?

00:05When you repeatedly say that Mr. Khan should be convinced that I won't take anything from a political opponent,

00:12then you will be asked, have you taken a new envelope from Nawaz Sharif?

00:15What is this? What is this? What is this narrative?

00:17The video that you are talking about, in which Bushra Bibi gave a powerful message

00:21that Mr. Khan has taken a lesson from Islam, that he does not want to take revenge by sitting in jail.

00:25After that, I spoke to two or three people from the PTI.

00:27They clearly said that yes, this message is definitely for the community, that they will not take any revenge.

00:33But they will not leave Nawaz Sharif, they will not leave him.

00:36It's not like that.

00:38No, no, I think that message is for everyone, there is no issue in that.

00:43But in my opinion, the practical steps in this,

00:46I have written a column yesterday and I have explained to the national government,

00:50I think that if it is made for a year and these buffers are created,

00:55that you parties create a system that what is going to happen to your politics

01:01and the establishment also has to participate in it,

01:04so one way is that,

01:05there will be more in the minds of people,

01:07that how these buffers can be created, how they can be done,

01:10but the most important thing is that,

01:12first the temperature should come down,

01:14if the temperature is so high,

01:17that inside it, as you just said,

01:20that you will not crush the opponents,

01:23this is unpopular.

01:24So you can guess how high the temperature is.

01:27And there are reasons,

01:29see the way Noon League is doing it,

01:31I found it very interesting,

01:33Mr. Dar, he said that,

01:35we did not tell anyone to do the paper and put it inside.

01:39See, what is not happening in your time,

01:42you should not close your eyes like this,

01:44if you have not said, then those who have said,

01:47then go and request them to do a favor.

01:49So today they have said the whole thing,

01:51you have heard the part of his speech,

01:54where he said,

01:55people like me,

01:56you did that on 9th May,

01:58and on 26th you did another 9th May,

02:00that people like me should do something,

02:02as long as their consent is not there.

02:04The matter is over,

02:05what will they say openly?

02:07No, absolutely,

02:08but on the other hand,

02:10like Faisal Wada, our friend,

02:12he repeatedly puts this thing,

02:14that the government wants to put all this work in the account of the establishment,

02:18and wants to enjoy the office itself.

02:20So this is also not right,

02:22that you put all the work in the account of the establishment,

02:26and leave from Patli Gali yourself,

02:28this is also a strategy.

02:30On a lighter side,

02:31in the next few days,

02:32I want to go to the talk show,

02:33Bawad Chaudhary,

02:34Ishaq Darsahab,

02:35is coming on the show,

02:36after your statement.

02:38No, no,

02:39there is no such thing,

02:40Darsahab is a very likeable person,

02:42and when he spoke to us,

02:44he contributed very well.

02:47But in my opinion,

02:49it is wrong to say that only the establishment is responsible,

02:52this is also not right,

02:54and of course,

02:55nothing can be done without their consent,

02:57there is also a weight in this debate,

02:59but whatever it is,

03:00in my opinion,

03:01whatever our big characters are,

03:04Nawaz Sharif,

03:05Imran Khan,

03:06the establishment,

03:07Mr. Zardari,

03:08these are four big characters,

03:10and now I think,

03:11Munana Fazl Rahman cannot be ignored either.

03:14These are five people,

03:15if these five people discuss,

03:17then something will come out.

03:18If one or two people are missing,

03:20then the discussion will not be fun.

03:22Okay,

03:23now let's come to your suggestion,

03:25which you are also saying,

03:26national government,

03:27a long time ago,

03:28our friend was telling from Islamabad,

03:29that there is talk of national government,

03:30national government,

03:31so I say in response,

03:32that brother,

03:33what is it now?

03:34Is there no national government now?

03:35Everyone is in power,

03:36except for PTI,

03:37or you can also add Mr. Maulana.

03:38So if there is a national government,

03:40then there will be only one difference in that setup and that setup,

03:42that in that,

03:43PTI will also have a shareholder in some way or the other,

03:45or there will be a shareholder of their consent,

03:46that's it, isn't it?

03:47So,

03:48at this time,

03:49the system,

03:50the establishment,

03:51PTI,

03:52the government's share,

03:53is it ready to be made in any way?

03:55So,

03:5670% of the country's population,

03:57if PTI is not included,

03:59then 70% of Pakistan is not included,

04:01in the government,

04:02then 30% of the people are in government,

04:04and if you add Mr. Maulana,

04:06then the matter becomes completely different.

04:09So,

04:10one province is completely gone,

04:11so the current government,

04:13can never be called a national government,

04:15it can be called the government of the elected people.

04:18And,

04:19National government in the sense that all the political parties,

04:21are sitting in the government,

04:23as if they are sitting in the government.

04:24Minus PTI.

04:26Political parties,

04:28if you make a political party of one person,

04:30then it is not bad,

04:32it is a matter of representation, isn't it?

04:33It's like,

04:34PTI versus rest,

04:36Pakistan's politics.

04:37And as long as Imran Khan's political status is not accepted,

04:41he is not included,

04:43how can it be useful?

04:44Tell me some common sense,

04:46that Imran Khan,

04:47with whom such a big,

04:49mass of Pakistan is standing right now,

04:51if he is removed,

04:52how will there be a revolution without him?

04:54So, what is your experience of a national government?

04:56What should be done?

04:57What exactly?

04:58What should be done?

04:59What is the effect of it?

05:00See, my advice is that,

05:01you keep the government of the elected people,

05:03because Mr. Nawaz Sharif,

05:05wants to keep Mrs. Maryam,

05:07and he wants her to be successful.

05:09In KP,

05:10there is PTI,

05:11in Sindh, there is a People's Party,

05:12so equally,

05:13there are fairly distributed governments.

05:15Okay.

05:16After that,

05:17all three of you,

05:18the big leaders,

05:19along with them,

05:20along with Mr. Rehman,

05:21one person,

05:22you,

05:23the Prime Minister,

05:24choose him.

05:25And the Parliament should approve this system.

05:27For nine months,

05:28this power should run.

05:29In that,

05:30the ECP should be established.

05:31In that,

05:32the amendments about the judiciary,

05:34should be done by a unanimous vote.

05:36And after that,

05:37in the twelfth month,

05:38after this election,

05:39the elections that you win,

05:41you will get one year,

05:42you will rule together,

05:43you will run the IMF program,

05:45you will sign off all of it.

05:48With that,

05:49the temperature will come down a little,

05:51everyone will get a chance,

05:53to re-establish their politics.

05:55And,

05:56the rest,

05:57you can do what you want.

05:58And,

05:59how close do you think,

06:00this proposal is to reality?

06:02In my opinion,

06:03this is a very agreeable proposal.

06:05Because,

06:06even Mr. Khan,

06:07needs six to eight months,

06:09to regroup the party.

06:11Because,

06:12the current party,

06:13is not Mr. Khan's party.

06:16This party is for strangers.

06:18Majority of people,

06:19don't even know Mr. Khan.

06:21So,

06:22even Mr. Khan needs six to eight months.

06:24And,

06:25Nawaz Sharif,

06:26and Mr. Zardari,

06:27will get a chance to regroup their parties.

06:29But,

06:30you are saying it is agreeable,

06:31how will it happen?

06:32You are telling Noorlik,

06:33that he himself,

06:34should remove Mr. Shahbaz Sharif,

06:35from the Ministry of Finance,

06:37and nominate someone,

06:39on whom,

06:40Mr. Khan,

06:41will also agree.

06:42Why will Noorlik agree?

06:43How will it be agreeable?

06:45Look,

06:46I am saying,

06:47if you think,

06:48that the system is working properly,

06:50and everything is fine,

06:51the economy is back,

06:52the politics are fine,

06:54then there is no need for negotiations.

06:56Then,

06:57let it go on like this.

06:58And,

06:59wait for the disaster to hit you.

07:01And,

07:02if you think,

07:03that no,

07:04the politics of Pakistan,

07:05needs to be restricted,

07:06the economy of Pakistan,

07:07needs to be restricted,

07:08then there is no need for negotiations.

07:09If you had seen Imran Khan,

07:10in the last two years,

07:11you would have made him,

07:12a political alternate.

07:13But,

07:14you didn't.

07:15On the contrary,

07:16if you look at Imran Khan's,

07:17polls in 2021,

07:18and polls in 2024,

07:19then,

07:20there is no debate between you and me,

07:21that Imran Khan,

07:22is much more popular,

07:23than he was in 2021.

07:24If,

07:25we think,

07:26that without Imran Khan,

07:27the politics can work,

07:28then,

07:29look,

07:30I am out of the debate.

07:31Because,

07:32I don't think,

07:33it can't work.

07:34Imran Khan,

07:35is an integral part of,

07:36Pakistan politics.

07:37Sometimes,

07:38we call it,

07:39a military coup.

07:40But,

07:41Imran Khan,

07:42is not running,

07:43a civilian court.

07:44Look,

07:45at the way,

07:46the judge is sitting.

07:47You should go and see,

07:48how the judge is sitting,

07:49like a cat,

07:50that will eat him.

07:51So,

07:52the situation,

07:53right now,

07:54there is no end to it.

07:55You are waiting,

07:56for the disaster,

07:57to not hit,

07:58while we are sitting.

07:59If you are sitting,

08:00then,

08:01we can't do anything.

08:02And,

08:03if I say this,

08:04it is fine,

08:05that this is your opinion,

08:06but,

08:07you have told it,

08:08with arguments,

08:09that,

08:10it is an integral part,

08:11of the system,

08:12and,

08:13the system can't run,

08:14without it.

08:15If I say this,

08:16do you agree or not?

08:17Should it be like this or not?

08:18I am not debating this.

08:19That,

08:20right now,

08:21the system's thinking,

08:22is exactly the opposite.

08:23That,

08:24it can't run,

08:25with them.

08:26They are,

08:27the country's representatives.

08:28And,

08:29whatever has to be done,

08:30has to be done,

08:31without them.

08:32Does this thinking,

08:33exist?

08:34Look,

08:35we should have,

08:36made an alternate,

08:37for Imran Khan.

08:38That didn't happen.

08:39So,

08:40how much more time,

08:41do you want to spend?

08:42You can spend,

08:436 more months.

08:44You can spend,

08:458 more months.

08:46The more time,

08:47you spend,

08:48the closer,

08:49you get to the disaster.

08:50So,

08:51in my opinion,

08:52I am telling you,

08:53that,

08:54in my opinion,

08:55the prevailing thinking,

08:56is this,

08:57that,

08:58there is no problem,

08:59we have finished,

09:00the street force,

09:01so,

09:02it should continue like this.

09:03The street power,

09:04should continue like this.

09:05But,

09:06it is obvious,

09:07that there is a need,

09:08for change.

09:09And,

09:10all the politicians,

09:11in the government,

09:12when they meet us,

09:13privately,

09:14their thinking,

09:15is the same.

09:16And,

09:17they understand,

09:18that the country,

09:19is not doing well.

09:20And,

09:21there is a need,

09:22to bring this,

09:23back on track.

09:24Now,

09:25it is obvious,

09:26that how much,

09:27they can do,

09:28and how much,

09:29they can't do,

09:30this is obvious,

09:31you know better than me.

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