Bharat Champions Trophy Ke Liye Pakistan Aaye Ga Ya Nahi ?

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00:00Whether Pakistan will come for the Champions Trophy or not is the question and ICC Lahs will be again in this situation.

00:08It is a tumultuous situation. Broadcasters are worried.

00:11Let's discuss all these issues. We have with us the former chairman of Pakistan Cricket Board, Dr. Naseem Hashraf.

00:16Last time when the Indian cricket team came to Pakistan in 2008, Dr. Hashraf was the chairman of Pakistan Cricket Board.

00:22Thank you so much for your time, Dr. Hashraf.

00:24Basically, a lot of things have changed since 2008.

00:28At that time, there was no 26-11, Sushma Sohraj did not come to Pakistan,

00:33Modi did not stay in Pakistan while returning to India, Pakistan did not accept the hybrid model,

00:39and Pakistan did not go to India as a goodwill. There is so much difference.

00:43How was 2008 for us? How different was it from today?

00:47I think it is a very sad thing that India has brought politics in sports by talking coercively.

01:00In 2008, as you said, Asia Cup was held in Pakistan and the Indian team came.

01:06They were very happy. They did not have any problem here.

01:10Their chairman at that time was Mr. Sharad Pawar. He was the union minister and chairman of the cricket board.

01:20He himself came to Pakistan a month before the Asia Cup.

01:24He said that there is nothing to worry about here, our team will definitely come.

01:32I think these relations should be there instead of India putting pressure on us.

01:39Especially when Pakistan has gone there last year for the World Cup and we have shown goodwill.

01:45The PCB has always tried to do it together with India, as it did at the beginning of the World Cup.

01:52This is a very sad thing.

01:55And I want to tell you one more thing for the viewers.

02:02Another very important phone call was made in 2008.

02:07In 2009, the Champions Trophy was announced for Pakistan and it was to be held in Pakistan.

02:14At that time, there were a few countries, I will not name them, who set up a security bogey that we cannot come to Pakistan.

02:25So we pushed and the ICC organized a special conference call for this topic.

02:32All the board members and directors of the ICC in the world took part in that conference call.

02:43At that conference call, the ICC chairman Sharad Pawar said that if the Champions Trophy is removed from Pakistan in 2009,

03:03then India will not play in any other country.

03:08But in this, basically, from 2008 onwards, the whole cricketing politics has also changed.

03:15The existence of Big 3, India's local cricketing economy has grown a lot.

03:21It is much more than the budget of the Pakistan Cricket Board.

03:24If you compare it with Pakistan's GDP, you can say that it will sit parallel.

03:30Basically, how can we believe that in 2024, such a big cricketing economy will dominate the broadcasters like the ICC.

03:37Our goodwill will still work and India will come here.

03:40The overall game is being dictated by India.

03:42When do we have to surrender?

03:43This game will not remain.

03:46This is the whole thing that India forces because 70% of the revenue of the ICC is generated from India.

03:55So, it is not a matter of goodwill.

03:57Pakistan has also taken a stand on its principles that we will not come again next year.

04:03But all the other countries of the ICC bow their heads in front of money.

04:11There is no diplomacy in this, there is no rocket science in this.

04:14The options of the Pakistan Cricket Board are very limited.

04:19But I think that the Pakistan Cricket Board has taken this very good position.

04:24And especially from India, it has been said that you write to us that what is your concern

04:31on the basis of which the government of India does not give this permission.

04:36They have not written it yet, nor will they give it.

04:40And on this, the negotiations that took place in Dubai today did not succeed.

04:46And then tomorrow, day after tomorrow, they will meet again.

04:50Tell me, is it possible that if India does not come, the ninth team will come?

04:58I mean, is it really doable? Is it possible?

05:03Look, frankly speaking, leaving the tournament of India will end the tournament.

05:10I am talking about the ICC.

05:12I am not talking about politics.

05:14I am talking about what you asked, broadcasters, money.

05:18With regard to that, if India does not come, then perhaps the ICC will not hold the tournament.

05:23But their effort is that this tournament should be held in any case.

05:28And the hybrid model that Pakistan has rejected, I think it was a very basic step.

05:34It was a bold step and it was an important step.

05:37Now, after this, we have to negotiate and see to what extent we can protect our interests in the long term.

05:46But in my understanding, if India leaves the Champions Trophy and the other eight teams,

05:54perhaps the ICC will not let that happen.

05:57Okay, you said that a conference call was also held in 2008.

06:02So let's go, that was between the boards.

06:04At the moment, there is a debate in Pakistan that the former Prime Minister should call to improve the situation.

06:11Do you think this is the right time to start cricketing diplomacy?

06:15What does your experience tell you that this will happen if it is done, if someone initiates?

06:20Look, you need two hands to do anything.

06:24You cannot do it with one hand.

06:26Pakistan has repeatedly shown at every step that it is willing.

06:31Last year, we went there and played twice.

06:35Therefore, if you ask what is the chance of this happening, it is dependent on India.

06:41India has this on its head and it is not at all accepting that Pakistan or ICC or sports,

06:50the way they bring politics and then use their money,

06:59I think this is a very sad and wrong thing.

07:02There should never be politics in sports.

07:05It is a shame for me to mention this.

07:09Okay, you just recalled your memory.

07:12So you said that in 2008, India took a big stance.

07:15The other boards who were reluctant said that if this does not happen,

07:19then in the coming days, we will also reschedule our things differently.

07:23That is, they put their weight with Pakistan at that time because they were Asian cricketing benefits.

07:27Is it different now that these things have changed so much and have gone on a 180 degree shift?

07:35I understand that this is the decision of the government of India,

07:41which is punishing Pakistan.

07:46And the Asian Cricket Council is also in this regard.

07:51Because when will Asia Cup be held next year and it will be in India,

07:55then Pakistan should also look at it.

07:57Now they have said that we will not play either.

07:59After this, we will not take such business as usual.

08:03But as I said, our options are limited.

08:07We should take steps according to the principle.

08:12As I heard the statement of Chairman PCB yesterday,

08:16he said that we will do what is in the best and best interest of Pakistani cricket.

08:22So let's see.

08:23But I don't think that the whole matter is stopped and is dependent on the government of India.

08:31And the decision of the current Prime Minister is that he does not want to use cricket in this.

08:41So cricket diplomacy can only be done when both countries show their interest.

08:47Pakistan has shown interest and they do not want to do it.

08:51So this is in front of you.

08:53What option do you have in this?

08:56Doctor, it is obvious that many people have an interest in knowing this.

09:00When the team came in 2008, it is obvious that we were the host.

09:04There is an energy and then there is a special momentum for Pak-India-Takri.

09:09So please share the memories of those days.

09:12What was the atmosphere as the Patron-in-Chief?

09:14How did you manage all this?

09:17And how did you feel that energy yourself?

09:19How did you feel in the players?

09:21And what was that beauty?

09:23It was a very good atmosphere.

09:28Although both India and Pakistan won.

09:33Sri Lanka reached the final and they won.

09:37But the way the Indian team was welcomed throughout Pakistan.

09:45The way people expressed their love.

09:48It was visible in the streets.

09:50In Karachi, it was as if there was a big festival.

09:57The whole city was crowded.

10:00I remember this like yesterday.

10:03There was an electric current in the whole country.

10:07When the tournament took place and India came.

10:10Although in those 5-6 years, from 2001-2002 to 2009.

10:19India visited Pakistan 2 or 3 times.

10:23They played 2 bilateral series with us.

10:26We went there to play.

10:28And once when India came.

10:32Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah's daughter Dina Wadia.

10:38And her son Nusli Wadia.

10:40They also came to Pakistan to watch the match.

10:43At General Musharraf's invitation.

10:45And many other big people came to watch the match.

10:50And India and Pakistan's diplomacy was very successful in this matter.

10:55But the reason was that both sides wanted it.

10:58Right now, the situation is different.

11:01Like you said, India's government doesn't want it.

11:05And they are forcing it.

11:07Only they can solve this.

11:10And their position in front of the world is also clear.

11:15All the countries know who is doing what.

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