How has coach and QB dynamic altered a teams trajectory

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The Miami Dolphins do not make any moves during the NFL Trade Deadline. The guys discuss how the coach and QB dynamic can alter the team's trajectory.

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00:00Mentioned the Dolphins no really moving and shaking at the deadline. That's fine. No big deal. No big deal

00:06like no big deal you

00:09There's not anything substantial you can get

00:12for any of your players

00:15Because you just paid them

00:17so nobody's gonna give up a

00:20substantial amount of money and

00:22then

00:24Or in a substantial amount of assets and then pay all that money

00:29You get off the hook twice

00:31Yeah, although they did lose a quarterback. Apparently what CJ Beathard?

00:37Poached got picked up. Yeah, the Jaguars picked them up. I would say

00:42Hear me out on this. All right

00:47In the offseason, you know who I would call

00:51Who?

00:54The old the old San Fran quarterback Garoppolo Garoppolo, yeah, that's not a bad backup

01:03Why is he doing anything right now, where is he at? Oh, he's a ramp. That's why I sent him because here's the deal. Yeah

01:11While we sitting here looking at the Wolves went to it gets hurt. Yeah, San Francisco went through the same thing

01:17Yep, for sure. Like they have a court. They had a quarterback who run this room and then anytime he got hurt

01:23Then they tried to do the Trey Lansing. Yeah, it didn't work out and then it got mr. Irrelevant, which is

01:30That worked out lucky

01:31Right. No, no, no, it's it was like

01:36You know, but but and it worked out

01:40But look at how many times

01:42You know, they had and they kind of had a very similar situation in that

01:47Garoppolo kept getting hurt

01:50Yeah

01:52Which I mean

01:54Wouldn't be the the worst option at backup. We see a lot of backup quarterbacks are currently thriving you see

02:00Sam Darnold having a hell of a season over there. Yeah, but I think for here

02:07for some guys

02:11Like I use Baker Mayfield

02:14Baker Mayfield was not bad in Cleveland. Yeah, it ended because he got hurt

02:19He played through his injury and they had to decide whether we gonna give him 30 40 50 million

02:26After coming off injury

02:28That's why he wasn't there and then he bounced around a little bit and just never found, you know a good system

02:34Now he's in a system that he can flourish in

02:38When you look at Sam Bradford see a lot of people don't give

02:43Donald same Donald a lot of people don't give

02:48Don't understand these circumstances when you a top-five draft pick

02:54You go into a bottom five team

02:58It very rarely does it happen like Chicago where Chicago had back-to-back picks over the years because they traded

03:07Because

03:08Carolina wanted Bryce young. Yeah, and then I didn't work out so they ended up with a high pick again

03:15Chicago though, they're on the brink of ruining yet another one. I saw a stat where

03:20They had a Mitchell Trubisky

03:23Top pick then they fired the coach

03:26Leave a mid to offensive systems to learn in two years, right?

03:30Let's say that's not gonna work Justin Fields same thing

03:33They brought him in fired the coach brought another one in to system two years same thing right now Caleb Williams

03:40coaches on the hot seat

03:41You know, that may be another quarterback. The Bears are ruined. So but but here's here's the thing

03:50Justin Fields had some success in Pittsburgh. Yeah, he did but it wasn't good enough

03:57He acknowledged that but it's easier to work and get better in an environment like Pittsburgh

04:05Correct. So when these young quarterbacks go to these bad teams, for example

04:11Okay, I'll use Joe Burrow for example

04:15Joe Burrow, they went to the Super Bowl his second year. Yep. They thought Joe Burrow is going to be the man forever

04:23Look at that team

04:26Like holy smokes

04:28Yeah, so no matter how good your quarterback is if he doesn't have

04:34The infrastructure for him to do his best work

04:38It's not gonna show on the football field and and Joe Burrow has a lot of success

04:43He throws the ball all over the place. He's an excellent pass or the football

04:47He can escape he can make plays all those things excellent quarterback

04:52But it's not resulting in wins

04:56and

04:57What about a quarterback that needs to develop a little bit you thrust him in and you don't have any support system?

05:04You keep changing coaches changing, you know the people in the organization and we then put it all on the quarterback

05:12So there's been quarterbacks that have bounced around and then all of a sudden

05:16They go. Oh, he found it. He thought he always had it. He just found the right situation

05:24Yeah, and and so like I don't know how many of those guys because here

05:30I'll make this point right here if I switch

05:35CJ Stroud and Bryce Young is Bryce Young having the same success as CJ Stroud

05:42No, no, you don't think so, I mean, I think he's having more success than he had in Carolina

05:48But I think she's a child's a better quarterback than Bryce. Yeah, okay, but but it's based on him being in a better infrastructure

05:54Yeah

05:56So you understand what I'm saying like what role does that play in the success or failures of a quarterback

06:04Yeah

06:05The two of that was with Brian Flores who he couldn't stand

06:09It's the same tool the same skill set

06:13He didn't all of a sudden develop this skill set

06:17Yeah, it's just that now he's in a system where that

06:21skill set can flourish

06:24And it's the only it's the only position

06:27that if not put in the right situation

06:31You can ruin one of your investments more than you can help it

06:38I know the Dolphins didn't necessarily

06:41Make any moves

06:43Right a few moves that were made

06:46Outside of them will affect them. We mentioned the big move of the Cleveland Browns defensive ends Darius Smith

06:55being

06:56Traded yesterday to the Detroit Lions

07:00The Dolphins face the Browns in week 17

07:03So, you know, you always are gonna have to deal with Myles Garrett

07:06But at least you don't have to deal with Garrett and Smith. So that helps. Yeah. Hey and and

07:12if I could I explain yesterday's is that the Darius Smith would be the equivalent to

07:18Chubb opposite Jalen Phillips. Yeah, so Chubb I have

07:23Maybe five to ten sacks, but it's because they're doubling Jalen Phillips

07:27Yeah, you need that guy on the other side. That's gonna make plays even if he's not your primary guy and

07:33Yes, was it there's time?

07:36Who as a what our guys say he has a big motor

07:42all over the field

07:44Right, so they getting a good player. They're getting a how about this? They're getting a very similar player

07:51To Aiden Hutchinson

07:55Yeah, you know very similar

07:57Not maybe not as good

08:00No for sure, but still as far as the energy the speed coming off the edge and and here's the thing

08:07Most people saying they're the best team in the NFL and they made a move to kind of you know, solidify that

08:14That's that's what I was gonna say

08:16Usually the teams that are primed for a run they make a move in the middle of the season that changes

08:23Necessarily have to be a big move. No, never they just know they just probably sat in the office and said

08:29Hey

08:30We're good, but we probably need to fortify that pass rush

08:36You've you've seen it across various sports

08:39You saw the Pistons pick up Rashid Wallace in the middle of season you saw the Panthers

08:44They signed I forgot what the guy's name was it's one of those very weird Russian names, but

08:50The the Panthers made a signing on the way

08:53Tereschenko can't I can't they was that is that a UFC fighter?

08:56I can't even keep checking their last names

08:59But you see it across the board usually teams that are primed for a run

09:02they make a pickup and I make just a just a pick that is

09:07They understand what the value that would be when a lot of people can't

09:13Um when it when it was a Darius

09:17Everybody saw the benefits of that which is weird, right?

09:20No, because usually you assign a guy say oh we can get some depth at this position or whatever

09:26They like everybody in the league was like, oh my goodness. Yeah easy. No-brainer. Of course, right? No-brainer

09:33Now I got it

09:34I got a question for you to see if teams are this petty or this if they if they look this hard

09:39Yes

09:41If does

09:44DeAndre Hopkins being picked up by the Chiefs way into Detroit's urgency and getting another pass rusher

09:51I

09:52Don't I don't necessarily think so. I think at this portion of the season

10:00You just trying to get through your conference

10:03Yeah, right like you can't be worried about the Super Bowl

10:06You got a long way to go and I don't know if Detroit ever been there

10:10So now you worry about Super Bowl pump your brakes

10:13Yeah, right you you you do what you got to do to get through the NFC

10:18Yeah, and don't worry about it. It's like

10:21in college football one of the things about the playoff that has is

10:27So amazing to me is when I was in college

10:31our coach used to always say

10:34You play the style of football that gets you through your conference

10:37And then deal with the the national championship ramifications after that, but if you bring a style of football

10:45That works in the SEC, but it don't work in a Big Ten

10:48You ain't gonna never get through the Big Ten and nobody's gonna care

10:51so

10:52what

10:54Detroit has to do is they have to look at their schedule. They have to look at their their division is really tough

11:01Yeah, it is. And so

11:03That's what they have to concentrate on right now

11:07Yeah, when they get to the playoffs

11:09they got to concentrate on the two games or three games that they're gonna have to play and

11:14Then once you get to the Super Bowl, you start worried about who you gonna play, but you can't start worrying about the

11:23Super Bowl without going through all these other teams because keep in mind they also have in the back of their mind last year

11:29They didn't get there. Yeah

11:31Yeah, you know what the I think you're right there they're in a very tough division

11:35They're probably just doing what they need to do to become the best team that they can

11:41Yeah

11:43You dealing with

11:45Green Bay Green Bay and their mobile

11:49Minnesota not so mobile, but they quick strike

11:53Then you got you know, then you got Caleb Williams and and so you think in the quarterbacks you got to play with

12:01Play-againts and the weapons they have on offense. Yeah

12:05Is either one of two ways you can go DB or rush?

12:09No scrubs in that, you know, you're not saying no

12:13No, no offense to Drake me. He's actually doing well, but you know, you're not like, oh, okay. We got this one

12:18We got we got Bryce young this week guys

12:20Young two times this year, right? Exactly. Exactly. So yeah that that's I think they did it

12:29From the standpoint of their team

12:33not worrying about who they're gonna play and

12:36They're trying to put the best team they can

12:39on the field

12:41yeah, because

12:43like you

12:45They end up in it. I don't know. I think they haven't been to a Super Bowl. I don't think so. I think so

12:52So like yeah, hey

12:55Nobody gives a rat's ass about Kansas City at this point zero. I know they haven't Cleveland hasn't

13:06Texans

13:07They're young Jaguars. They're young. No Jaguars went to sue. Oh, they went to championship game. Yeah

13:15Carolina went Carolina Jacksonville came into the league the same year

13:19Carolina been to two Super Bowls. I want to say yeah

13:23First one against New England second one against Denver, I think right. So so yeah, so

13:31Was that one of four teams that haven't been?

13:33Yes, four teams that have not been right. So

13:39Yeah, you got Detroit Cleveland

13:42Jacksonville in Texas Cleveland reached the AFC championship in 86 87 and 89 and lost all three to John Elwood. Yep

13:52That's gotta wait. You want to hear the crazy one? Yeah, they were going in the score

14:01And earns by the fumbled in the end zone and I went for a touch back touch back

14:07And then at the end of the game John Elwood went 99 yards, oh

14:12Is that the helicopter that's not the helicopter is it? No, that's the helicopter was in a Super Bowl down here. Oh, that's right

14:18Against Green Bay. I want to say was a green. Yeah, I think it was I think you're right

14:24Yep, and that's why remember when remember when Cleveland when the Cavs won us the

14:31When the championship was won. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah, that's that's that's that's that's that's that's

14:37They invited her in his binder. Oh

14:40That's nice. Yeah

14:42Yeah, I wouldn't show my face it

14:45But he ended up like they traded him right after that. Duh to Washington. Yeah, he went won a Super Bowl

14:53There you go. Then he came back to Cleveland. Oh, that's nice of him to like write his laws or something like that

14:58No, they they wanted him back

15:01Well, he was on a team that went to Baltimore

15:04Ah

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