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00:00Selfishly, Mayo wants him out there this week, so he can pay off on his wins prediction.

00:04Maybe get another win.

00:05I don't know how many wins we predicted for the Celtics this year, Turk, but they...

00:08The number was low.

00:09The number was...

00:1058 and a half, right?

00:11I wish I...

00:12I didn't bet that.

00:13I don't know why.

00:14That was free money.

00:15Yeah.

00:16Seriously.

00:17You can win 60 games in a sleep.

00:1858 and a half?

00:19I'm not trying to bet a lot of minus 110, but that's what I should have bet.

00:20Yeah.

00:21Even if you moved it up a little bit.

00:22You can get it at plus money, probably like 59.60.

00:23Maybe.

00:24Yeah.

00:25It's free.

00:26Go a few hams.

00:27Go five hams on that.

00:28Yeah.

00:29I'm not patient enough for the future bet.

00:30Increase the payout.

00:31I'm not patient enough.

00:32I'm with you.

00:33I'm not a big future guy either.

00:34I'm like, oh, so I can lose it in six months?

00:35I can lose it tonight.

00:36Yeah.

00:37What are you doing with my money in the meantime?

00:38What are you, a bank?

00:39What are you doing with my money?

00:40Exactly.

00:41Yeah.

00:42That's a good move.

00:43I'll jam it in a mattress somewhere.

00:44So they look pretty good, huh, Turk?

00:45Yeah.

00:46I'd say so.

00:47And the biggest thing that stuck out to me in a couple of these wins is just their ability

00:50to go on these long runs that just demoralize a team.

00:53Like you look at the Detroit game.

00:56They were down by six with 5-12 left, rattled off an 18-6 run, just were flawless on both

01:01ends of the floor.

01:02Then you look in Milwaukee, that third quarter, 11-2 run capped off by a Pritchard step back

01:0726 feet at the buzzer beater that just broke Doc Rivers.

01:11And then Washington, and they had the 54, it was 54-52, they went on a 58-24 run.

01:16Their ability to just take over a game like that, it's just, it's incredible.

01:19So I think I found the Peyton Pritchard comp.

01:21You guys ready for the Peyton Pritchard comp?

01:23Yes.

01:24I signed up for it yesterday and I promised that I'd have one.

01:26Toronto Raptors championship team, Fred Van Fleet.

01:29That's too high, too low, right in the middle.

01:33Fred Van Fleet got better after Kawhi left and he became more of a go-to guy and he got

01:37paid by Houston last year.

01:39But at that time, he was a guy coming off the bench that could get hot and could get

01:42going.

01:43I feel like Pritchard every year has gotten better.

01:46And now you're looking at me like, I don't know, he could be like sixth man of the year

01:49candidate, couldn't he?

01:50Yeah.

01:51I mean, that really heated up during the preseason as well.

01:53How well he played and with him too, it's just his confidence.

01:56He shot one of 10 from the field on opening night.

01:59And since then, it's just been, he hasn't been able to miss it.

02:01It's insane.

02:02But I like that.

02:03I like that he can kind of heat up off the bench.

02:05Because he's useful and he helps this team.

02:06Like he is the kind of guy that they need because like their, their starting lineup

02:10is so good.

02:12And when you don't have poor Zingas and you have to, uh, start Horford, all right, you're

02:17like, all right, well, who's going to come off the bench, who's going to give him a minute,

02:19especially in the regular season.

02:20And like Peyton Pritchard has been able to do that.

02:23I know Sam Houser's, uh, banged up, but that's another guy that should be able to do it.

02:26What have you thought about any, uh, some of the other pieces that have played so far?

02:29Yeah.

02:30I've like the double big lineup has been interesting because especially the first two games that

02:34Sam Houser was out, they didn't go with another wing.

02:36They went with a double big instead.

02:37So a lot of people thought it was going to be Jordan Walsh, but it really wasn't.

02:41They really were tinkering with that.

02:42But I liked Jordan Walsh against Milwaukee.

02:44I thought he was good in his limited minutes, played with good energy and really filled

02:47that O'Shea Brissett role that everyone keeps talking about comparing him to.

02:51Uh, two part question.

02:52Number one, yes or no.

02:53Jason Tatum, uh, can win MVP this year.

02:57I don't see it.

02:58You don't see it.

02:59Okay.

03:00So second part of the question, does he need to be in that mix for this team to repeat?

03:05I don't think so.

03:06I mean, we saw last year that he can, cause I think with the MVP, it's so often defined

03:10by scoring and Jason Tatum has proven that he doesn't have to be defined by scoring.

03:14Look at the finals.

03:15For example, he didn't really shoot well during that series, but he led the team with points,

03:18rebounds and assist and just him using his gravity to like when teams show two at him,

03:23can he make the right read?

03:24Cause that's really the whole Celtics offense depends on getting two on one advantages and

03:28Jason Tatum is the biggest kind of creator of those because they show two on him so often.

03:33But if you're not scoring and you're not shooting well, like don't those kinds of go hand in

03:36hand.

03:37It's regardless.

03:38They're going to, he's going to get attention cause he's still going to score.

03:39It's just, is he going to score enough to be in the MVP conversation?

03:42Yeah.

03:43So to me, I, uh, I just can't imagine the path.

03:46This is easy next year.

03:47You know, people don't like to get hung up on that, but you're, it's going to have to

03:50be harder this year, I would think.

03:52And so if it is going to be more difficult, Tatum may have to elevate his game that much

03:55more.

03:56That's the only reason I think he may have to elevate his game cause you're not going

03:59to get a bunch of injured teams.

04:00I don't think.

04:01Yeah.

04:02But they also have so many different like mouths to feed too.

04:04That's another reason.

04:05Like it, it hurts him that the team is so talented for whatever reason.

04:08Like a lot of people like to bring up the conversation, like, Oh, the best player on

04:13the best team should have more warrant and more attention towards MVP.

04:17But he just doesn't get that because the team is so talented.

04:20Where if you look at like, okay, see SGA is clearly the best player on that team and they

04:24all really understand that.

04:26So he could play, he's going to play like 78 games, whatever it is, and he'll be their

04:30leading scorer and it'll be a good thing for him.

04:33Whereas it's not for Jason Tatum, which that just doesn't make any sense to me where it's

04:36always been kind of hot and cold with Tatum where it's, it's used against him in that

04:41sense, but towards other players that usually benefits.

04:43Yeah.

04:44It seems like voters already have their minds made up that it's going to be Gilchrist Alexander

04:47for some reason.

04:48He's like the favorite.

04:49Everybody talks about him.

04:50It's like the young team.

04:51That's not there yet.

04:52He is clearly the best player.

04:53There might be Jokic fatigue, but don't you think Tatum's next in line before?

04:57I heard, I heard Wiggy and Mego talking about that.

05:00You think Luke is next in line even before Tatum.

05:01Yeah.

05:02That I, that I would see more than Luka is SG, like SGA has got to wait.

05:05That's how the NBA works.

05:06Yeah, no, I know.

05:07But then I think to Terp's point, now that Tatum's team is so good, he's going to be penalized

05:12unless they win 70 games.

05:13Yeah.

05:14So that's, so they win 70 games.

05:15That changes, right?

05:16The overwhelming team success might get them into that.

05:19I mean, they had a really good record last year and they were way better than everybody

05:23else, but it didn't, that didn't matter.

05:24It wasn't the tiebreaker.

05:25He finished sixth.

05:26Fifth or sixth.

05:27In the, like that February last year, they played almost all of their games on national

05:31TV and he had one of his worst months shooting.

05:34And if you're going to like take advantage of that, cause the second half of the season,

05:37they're pretty much on national TV the whole entire time.

05:40Oh yeah.

05:41So he's going to have a real good opportunity to prove himself on the big stage when all

05:44these analysts, the people that have the votes are going to be watching.

05:47So he's going to have a chance just like he did last year to prove himself.

05:50So there was a report yesterday, a New York post that Steve Pagliuca is angling to take

05:56ownership at a discount price for the Celtics.

05:58I'm sure they'll do that.

06:00He's trying to get the other minority stakeholders to fall in line and they can leverage the

06:07situation.

06:08To me, this feels desperate.

06:10Why do the other shareholders, why do they want to devalue the franchise?

06:14Why does the rest of the NBA want to devalue the franchise?

06:17So it feels desperate to me by Pagliuca, if you had to guess Terp based on this report

06:22and what you're hearing, is it Pagliuca or someone else who will be owning the Celtics?

06:25Right now, Pagliuca is the only one that's expressed interest.

06:28Like everyone's been rumored, but nobody's explicitly said he's going to get it.

06:33I think a lot that bidding process is going to have a lot to like, it's going to dictate

06:36a lot, but I think right now he has to be the front runner because he's the only one

06:38that's talked about it.

06:39He's the only one that's actually expressed interest.

06:41But it is interesting because a couple of months ago, I think it was to the globe where

06:45Wick-Grosbeck said, there's not going to be any special perks or anything.

06:48So this is the bidding process is going to be the bidding process.

06:51And if you're the NBA, you're talking expansion, going to Vegas, coming up soon, do you really

06:55think they want to see a $6 million franchise go for 5 million when you're making a new

07:00billion?

07:01Yeah.

07:02Yeah.

07:03Yeah.

07:04If you're, if you're making a new franchise, I don't think they want to see that.

07:05Definitely not.

07:06Although I feel like if you're in that world and I know like the leagues make money, but

07:09if you're buying the Celtics, don't you come in and you're like, why are you selling the

07:12Celtics?

07:13They wouldn't.

07:14One of your first questions be like, all right, you've had a great run.

07:16You're now at his dad's making me and I know you're supposed to sell high.

07:20I get how stocks work Jones.

07:21I understand you're selling really high, but then you're like the, the payroll on the team

07:26is insane.

07:27You don't own the building that you play in, like you're paying rent to the Jacob.

07:31So I don't know, they, maybe they're not going to get the amount of money that they want.

07:35It's so, even though they're like, Hey, we're not going to sell it at a discount.

07:37It's like, well, if all the bids are 6 billion, maybe you're not going to get 7 billion reported

07:42the last year.

07:43They barely broke even.

07:44And they won 64 games at an NBA finals.

07:46Like they were the best team, but cause payroll's insane.

07:48Yeah.

07:49Payroll's insane.

07:50And that's another thing is when these luxury taxes, cause of the second apron start to

07:52kick in, you're just, you're looking at like, how is it?

07:56You can't keep this roster together.

07:57How can you justify doing that when you're paying as much in the salary and the luxury

08:02taxes are you as you are for the roster itself?

08:04Uh, Joe Mazzola wants fighting back in the NBA.

08:06Did you see that?

08:07I did see that.

08:08That's the most Joe Mazzola thing.

08:09Like straight up fighting.

08:10Remember how often was there really fighting and don't get me like, Oh yeah, when Van Gundy

08:15grabbed the ankles of like, uh, the, the heat, like, yeah, I remember that there wasn't like

08:20a lot of fighting.

08:21No.

08:22If there was a Celtic, who would be the one to throw, throw mitts?

08:24It would be players.

08:26What player?

08:27Pritchard.

08:28Pritchard.

08:29Probably.

08:30Yeah.

08:31Yeah.

08:32I bet.

08:33Like if, if you, uh, I don't know.

08:37I mean, holiday, I bet holiday could handle himself.

08:40Maybe Jalen may, he's had some opportunity to kind of get in people's faces and he kind

08:46of sort of does tell him as big dude, gentle giant.

08:49Yeah.

08:50Okay.

08:51Maybe not.

08:52Yeah.

08:53They don't really have any fighters.

08:54That's the thing.

08:55That's the other thing that stands out with the Celtics.

08:56Like they don't have any dinks or like wild cards where you're like, well, as long as

08:58this guy stays out of trouble, they're going to be okay.

09:00Like they don't really have that right at all.

09:02It's a complete one 80 from like the 2018 where all of those, they were just all dogs

09:06and Morris and those guys, you had people who would throw down.

09:11Yeah.

09:12Not anymore.

09:13No, no, no, no, no, no.

09:14All right.

09:15Terp every Wednesday here on Jones and Keith Celtics Wednesday.

09:17We talked to Terp, get the latest on what's going on with the team.

09:19We'll do a Bruins Thursday tomorrow with Razor at 1230, I think normally at 1130.

09:24Yeah.

09:25He's traveling with the team traveling.

09:26Uh, so we'll get him a little later on in the program.

09:28Uh, Terp, we appreciate it.

09:29Thanks so much.

09:30All right guys.

09:31Thank you Terp.

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