Nai Aaeni Tarmeem... Akhir Bil Mein Kya Hai? Kyun Hukoomat Bil Itihadiyon Ko Nahi Dekha Rahi?

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1 year ago

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00:00I would say that you are disregarding the Supreme Court's decision today.

00:04But I think that this order creates more confusion.

00:09So what will you do legally?

00:11Because the Supreme Court has given clarity that we have members of PTI.

00:14Tomorrow or the day after, whenever you try to bring this amendment, voting has to be done.

00:18Now, since these are PTI people, if they vote, then there is a judgment of floor crossing.

00:23So where do you stand on this?

00:25The judgment of floor crossing, which was rewritten by the Constitution,

00:29the 63A stand-alone provision, which is an article of the Constitution of Pakistan,

00:35is very clear in it.

00:37There was no need for any kind of explanation or interpretation.

00:41It also has a dissenting note.

00:43You saw that it was sent through a presidential reference.

00:46But the other review has also been filed on it.

00:50And that review is also a year and a half old.

00:52The decision has not yet been made.

00:54I think that if the decision of that review had been made very soon,

00:57then all the things could have been seen in a better way,

01:01in the legal and practical context.

01:03But at the moment, through this order, these four pages are creating more confusion.

01:09So the three votes that you have, are they from Independence?

01:16Look, it is important.

01:18It is obvious.

01:19Even yesterday, I said that only the respectable people of this state will vote.

01:23Some angels will come and vote.

01:25Because Mr. Mingle also had some complaints.

01:27He is also saying that his people are being harassed.

01:29Yesterday, on record, he said that.

01:30So Mr. Mingle's party is not ready to cooperate with you on this.

01:33What is their position?

01:34But Mr. Mingle's party is in the Senate.

01:36If I am not wrong, he has two seats.

01:38He has two senators.

01:40He had his own seat here.

01:42He is not present himself.

01:43But apart from that, it is obvious.

01:46If there is any complaint or support from his side, then it will be seen in the case of the 63A.

01:51But then again, voting does not mean this.

01:54Obviously, if you look at that decision too,

01:57then everything goes under the guise of rewriting the Constitution.

02:02But the decision of review has never been made on that.

02:04The interesting thing is, Ms. Maria,

02:06that the review is pending here.

02:10But in the 63A, all the scheme of things has been given.

02:16And in that, there are all the steps and procedures.

02:19After that, ultimately, it will go to the Election Commission of Pakistan.

02:23And only the Election Commission of Pakistan can explain why the notifications have not been made yet.

02:29Because they have asked for clarification.

02:31In their clarification, I think, there is more ambiguity about this.

02:34And directions have also been given, which I, as being a student of law,

02:38I do not think that a decision of a person's party membership or party affiliation can come from the court.

02:48Okay, now that you are saying that you were confident yesterday and you are confident today,

02:51are you tabling this bill tomorrow?

02:53Because yesterday, the Cabinet meeting was also called.

02:55So, we can understand that tomorrow's meeting is in front of us.

02:57Yes, in any government-backed legislation or constitutional amendment,

03:03cabinet approval is necessary.

03:05And until cabinet approval is not there, it cannot be taken.

03:10Tomorrow is the day?

03:13Yes, absolutely.

03:15Or it will go on Monday.

03:17No, I think that as far as I have seen all these things in this context,

03:24I can safely say and I can confirm that tomorrow is the day.

03:28So, what is the number you have?

03:30If you tell me that this is our vote count.

03:32This is a rough estimate.

03:34I have already said yesterday that I am a little weak in calculations.

03:39You are not that weak.

03:41You have curated each vote.

03:44So, what is the number you have?

03:46Alhamdulillah, I think that the calculations so far,

03:50the government has a two-third majority comfortably.

03:53Okay, fine.

03:54So, if you are saying that consensus has to be done,

03:56then bring everyone together in consensus.

03:59Why has no one seen the constitution of the bill yet?

04:02Ask the People's Party, they say they have not seen it.

04:04Ask Maulana, they say they have not seen it.

04:06At least show it to the opposition.

04:08You do not have trust in them either.

04:10No, there have been discussions with them.

04:12Has no one seen the bill yet?

04:14Look, obviously, as I said yesterday,

04:16there are three or four options.

04:18All those things are being discussed.

04:20Work is also being done on it.

04:22We are also tweaking those options further.

04:26Look, Maulana's suggestions are very valuable suggestions.

04:31He has given that this seniority principle…

04:33Should it be incorporated?

04:34One of the options is definitely there.

04:36Maybe it should not be included in this bill.

04:38Is this a possibility?

04:39No, Maulana's recommendation is that

04:41overall, you should also see that

04:45only seniority should not be the principle.

04:52All other things that are attached to it,

04:54the ancillary things should also be kept in mind.

04:56There is an agreement on this.

04:57But Maulana does not agree on the fact that

04:59the term of service or age should be increased.

05:01So, will this be an option to increase it in your final constitution?

05:05Or can you skip it on Maulana's request?

05:08Look, absolutely.

05:09When I say that a consensus is being made on this whole thing,

05:15the other parties on the opposition side…

05:18Because, obviously, you say that

05:19the Sunni Atheism Council or PTI should be included in this.

05:23They know perfectly well.

05:24You must remember that when the Charter of Democracy was passed in 2006,

05:28there were talks on the constitutional courts,

05:30there were talks on the constitutional benches,

05:32and their party chairmen used to agree on that.

05:35But that was a long time ago.

05:36Why haven't your allies seen the current constitution?

05:40Why are they saying that we don't know exactly what it is?

05:43Either they are saying it because of political reasons

05:45or they haven't seen the constitution.

05:46Did the People's Party and Maulana see the constitution?

05:48Look, I can say that they haven't seen Maulana's constitution.

05:51Obviously, his salient features of the constitution

05:54have definitely been told to them.

05:58Then why aren't they showing it?

06:00It would be better than a consensus.

06:02It would be fine-tuned.

06:03Yes, you are absolutely right.

06:05I cannot comment on the People's Party.

06:07But they will see it when the time is right.

06:11Will they see it on the floor of the parliament?

06:13No, they can see it before that.

06:15This is a surprise element.

06:16There is no surprise element.

06:18You have started bringing an amendment with such a big consensus.

06:22You should have on-boarded the opposition as well.

06:24It is possible that they would have agreed to three of your four conditions.

06:27You are negotiating with Maulana.

06:29You are hiding this.

06:31This is an act of secrecy.

06:33Along with the process, there is a doubt on the intention as well.

06:36I think there is no doubt on our intention.

06:41We are actually bringing this with a very open mind.

06:45We are bringing this with a very clear intention.

06:48These are positive legal reforms, judicial reforms,

06:52which need to be worked on.

06:54This has been pending for a long time.

06:56When you are saying that there is a lot of suspense being created,

07:01a lot is being hidden, it is not true.

07:03Earlier, you were not accepting that such legislation is coming.

07:06We are talking to the majority, on-air and off-air.

07:08Now, you are saying that legislation is coming.

07:10Then, I am asking you,

07:12why are you not showing the people who you want to agree to this with consensus?

07:17Look, I think the party leaders have been brought on-board.

07:22This is something that should not happen.

07:25If they are not aware of this,

07:27and if they do not see this,

07:29then obviously, there are parliamentary leaders in the parties,

07:32in the house, and even otherwise,

07:34there are political leaders of the parties.

07:36So, definitely, when they say, they will vote.

07:39So, there is a high probability that the age bracket that you want to increase,

07:43due to Maulana's grievances,

07:45will not be included in this bill?

07:47Is it safe to say that?

07:49Look, what I can tell you is,

07:52definitely, these 3-4 options that I mentioned yesterday,

07:56these are definitely among those options.

07:59And if Maulana,

08:01because he has a point on this,

08:04and if he says this,

08:06then we can definitely think about this.

08:08There is nothing wrong with this.

08:10Of course, we are convincing them with a clear intention,

08:14with a good intention,

08:17on all these points.

Nai Aaeni Tarmeem... Akhir Bil Mein Kya Hai? Kyun Hukoomat Bil Itihadiyon Ko Nahi Dekha Rahi?

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