Bani PTI Ka Establishment Se Mazakraat Karne Se Inkaar... Haqeeqat Aakhir Kya ?

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00:00Muneeb Farooq Sahib, based on what Asma Sahiba has said, we have again another reason to believe

00:04I am continuously telling some friends of PTI, off the record, and they are not disagreeing with me, at least off the record

00:11I am telling them that I will not be surprised if after a few days we see you again taunting Maulana Sahib

00:18So, if this is a matter of the High Court, I think Maulana Sahib will do it, it will be done

00:25In fact, Asma Sahiba is saying that if he is not rejecting the Military Court outright, then there is no news, Muneeb Sahib

00:32Yes, I think it is very important and I think that in all these days, some messages have been sent to Maulana Sahib

00:42or Maulana Sahib has been tried to convince him

00:45Now, what seems to be the case is that there is a slight difference on the minute things

00:50which will probably be corrected by itself or with the passage of time, they will be fine-tuned

00:55Anyway, when such a problem is coming, then a few small things are discussed

01:01Somewhere a word has to be added, somewhere it has to be substituted, somewhere it has to be omitted

01:06It is not such a big task

01:08But overall, the impression I was getting was that in the first 10-12 days of October, this work will be completed

01:17Now, this is definitely a matter of whether the 63rd review petition which is pending on 30th September

01:24Now, one thing to see in it is whether the bench will remain the same as it was made

01:29or it will break once, because a discomfort is found in the Supreme Court

01:35A judge has been removed from a committee, obviously, he is one of the senior judges

01:41Will he want to remain a part of this bench?

01:44You know, in the past, it has happened that judges...

01:48It is not surprising that Muneeb Farooq Sahib is not sitting

01:51Judge Muneeb Sahib is not sitting

01:54Yes, and it has happened in the past that after a hearing, the judge writes something

02:00or writes a note and leaves the bench, which poses a big question mark on the whole matter

02:07Therefore, there is a likelihood that this may or may not happen

02:12But in the review, normally the scope is limited

02:15But the interesting thing is that the judges who are included in this

02:19Probably two of them had a dissenting opinion at that time

02:22And frankly, the 63rd judgment, everyone knows how it was written, how it was done

02:29And there is nothing surprising about it

02:31It is one of the worst decisions in the history of justice in Pakistan

02:35Yes, I did not find anyone in it, I mean, in any case, I will tell you broadly

02:38Any legal mind who said that the decision is correct

02:41Even Kamran Murtaza Sahib, even Salman Akhran Rai Sahib

02:44He said that even I have reservations in this

02:46This is a different thing that he said that you should not do this through amendment

02:48In fact, do this, but he did not say that the decision is correct

02:50But this, Habib Akram Sahib, you tell me that in this

02:55The desire of the government for the amendment of the constitution

02:59In that, through Maulana Fazlur Rehman Sahib, you can see it being fulfilled

03:03If they had to do 10 things, if not 10, they will do at least 7 things

03:09Look, the important thing in this is like Asma Shirazi was talking about

03:12What will be that date and day

03:14As Maulana Fazlur Rehman said that 19

03:17As Asma told 19 dates, I am considering it 19 October

03:21Because 19 September has passed

03:24And six days after 19 October, Justice Qazi Faiz Isa will leave this equation

03:31If the identity of Justice Qazi Faiz Isa leaves this equation

03:36If his identity is removed from this amendment

03:40Then it can be said that this amendment can also be discussed

03:45But if this amendment is being done only because

03:49Chief Justice Qazi Faiz Isa Sahib has to be retained

03:57So that those who are considered the guardians of this system

04:00Or the people who are sitting in the system consider them their guardians

04:04So that they give themselves to their protection and supervision

04:07So this may not be possible

04:09So if Justice Qazi Faiz Isa is removed from this equation

04:13Then maybe a lot of things can happen

04:15I want you to listen to one thing

04:18We all know that Imran Khan Sahib said this on 10 September

04:22That now I am closing all the ways of talking to the establishment

04:26There is no doubt about it

04:27Gandapur itself was the stated position of PTI

04:30Yesterday, Secretary Tilal Raghuf Hussain Sahib spoke in our program

04:33And spoke in very clear words

04:35And he said that this is our policy

04:38What did he say? Listen to a part of it

04:40Then tell me what you think about it

04:42Listen to what Raghuf Hussain Sahib said

04:44This is the policy of PTI

04:47That we want to engage with the establishment

04:49We still want to engage with them

04:51One more step forward

04:53A dialogue between PTI and the establishment

04:56That has become indispensable for this state

05:00And we should not delay it

05:02This is inevitable

05:03This is bound to happen

05:04If not today, it will happen tomorrow

05:05If not tomorrow, it will happen day after tomorrow

05:06We are ready for this

05:08And we were ready before and we are ready today

05:10We want to engage with them in every way

05:12If I complete this sentence like this

05:14It will be fine that it is the policy of PTI

05:16That we want to engage with the establishment

05:17We want to talk

05:18And in today's date

05:20Okay, we talked further

05:22He kept saying this repeatedly

05:24Muneeb Farooq Sahib

05:26We want to talk

05:27We are hopeful that they will engage with us

05:29And we were ready yesterday

05:30We are ready today

05:31He defended this very passionately

05:34That we want to talk

05:35Khan Sahib's statement is that we don't want to talk

05:37What do you interpret from this?

05:39That PTI as a party has decided

05:41That we don't want to talk to the establishment

05:43Or do you have a desire?

05:45Muneeb Sahib

05:48Look, the thing is

05:50Every political party has a desire

05:54Badami Sahib

05:56This is a very strange thing

05:58If someone says that we don't have a desire

06:00Because everyone wants

06:01Obviously, you have to fix your matters

06:03And the difficulty in which there is the leadership of Tariq-e-Insaf

06:06So they will want to talk

06:08Talk

06:09Somehow some way

06:10Open or come out

06:12But the problem is that

06:13There was no significant development on it

06:15Which was a small way

06:19Through Gandapur Sahib

06:21Unfortunately, it also closed

06:24Or there is a lot of relationship in it

06:26And I don't think it will be so easy

06:29Rebuild things again

06:31In fact, some of our friends of Tariq-e-Insaf also say

06:34For the record, that Gandapur Sahib

06:36Threw Tariq-e-Insaf six months back

06:38Now that is obvious

06:40Gandapur Sahib is also a party pressure

06:42And I think maybe some people think

06:44That he was in a special mental state

06:46When he gave a speech at the Islamabad Jalsa

06:49So anyway, it also caused a lot of damage to Tariq-e-Insaf

06:52I think Gandapur Sahib himself

06:54Had to see a very difficult time

06:56Now

06:58Frankly, the situation at the moment

07:00It is very clear

07:02That Imran Khan Sahib's community definitely wants

07:05Imran Khan Sahib

07:07Keep saying that I don't want to talk

07:09But we know that

07:11Right now

07:13There are two parties

07:15One is Imran Khan Sahib

07:17Or his community

07:19Or Imran Khan Sahib

07:21On the other hand, there is the establishment of Pakistan

07:23The rest is a beneficiary of a fight

07:25As you can see, the beneficiary

07:27Of two people's fight

07:29Or the establishment of a political community

07:31Or a fight or an investigation

07:33Another political community is the beneficiary

07:35Today that beneficiary is Khalistan PMLN

07:37That is also visible to everyone

07:39There is a lot of need

07:41To get out of this issue

07:43What should we do to get out of this issue?

07:45The owner is saying

07:47We want you to talk to us

07:49But the next person says we won't talk

07:51Until we apologize

07:53What can PTI do practically?

07:55I think Mr. Badami

07:57This thing of apologizing

07:59This is also very strange

08:01Because apologizing

08:03This has happened many times

08:05If you apologize

08:07Then the matter should end

08:09But it is also said that apologizing is one act

08:11Accepting the apology

08:13Or being accepted is another act

08:15Then it is up to the person who apologizes

08:17That your matters are settled

08:19That too will not guarantee that matters

08:21Get better

08:23And the second thing to keep in mind

08:25That the position changes

08:27In institutions

08:29When there is a change of guard in institutions

08:31Or today

08:33In one institution

08:35The army is there

08:37The institution is also there

08:39New chiefs will come in the future

08:41They will have their own policies

08:43So is this the policy?

08:45Or is it an institutional decision?

08:47Or is it the chief's policy?

08:49So Habib

08:51What is your opinion

08:53That in the near future

08:55In 3 months, 4 months, 6 months

08:57Do you see any situation

08:59As a result of which

09:01This establishment and PTI talk

09:03Why are we talking about this

09:05This has happened in the past

09:07And this is still going on

09:09The position of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf

09:11Which you just said

09:13This is a stated position

09:15Imran Khan has also said

09:17And has said formally

09:19That he will only talk to one party

09:21Then he has already said

09:23That I will not talk to them

09:25His statement came from jail on September 10

09:27Who said this?

09:29When did he say this?

09:31Look

09:33I have my own report

09:35And my own sources

09:37And your sources say that

09:39Khan has not said anything

09:41That I will not talk to them

09:43As far as I know

09:45This has been removed from the context

09:47And this has not been discussed in jail

09:49Anyway

09:51So this has started

09:53You are talking about the future

09:55You are saying that this is already an ongoing process

09:57Yes, this is an ongoing process

09:59Is there a possibility of a PTI meeting?

10:01Don't you think

10:03That something has not come out yet?

10:05You tell me what has come out

10:07I don't think so

10:09Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf

10:11After a long period

10:13Had a meeting in Islamabad

10:15After a long period

10:17Had a meeting in Lahore

10:19After that, there is a possibility

10:21That there will be a meeting in the future

10:23So when this whole process is going on

10:25So do you think

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