00:00One, two, three.
00:30This is a budget session.
00:37And we hope that after the budget, we will bring this new law.
00:44Secondly, I want to inform you that the Ministry of Communications has its own document.
00:51The CMA document.
00:54And the registration is under the document.
00:59This is more of a law that will become a law that we will bring to the parliament.
01:12The use will be used by regulators, MCMC and all agencies.
01:18That's the truth.
01:19It means that it is not a regulating law as it is under MCMC now.
01:28The problem that we are facing now is that whatever information we ask from the platform providers,
01:34they don't want to inform the government.
01:36Because this is their product still.
01:38Because they have to keep their marketing.
01:41So our document, the online humps, is what we do so that we want the consumer to have the ultimate power.
01:50That is very important.
01:52Secondly, I have discussed this in my speech.
01:56There must be a balance with the voice.
01:59We cannot have a system where people say that this will create democracy.
02:03The government will download all the information.
02:06Earlier, the expert said that the government cannot download a lot of information.
02:10If you want to download a lot of information, download it.
02:12If you download it in A, it will go up to B. If you download it in B, it will go out to C.
02:15You tell me, how do you control 30 million users?
02:18That is the problem.
02:19The government cannot download it. It is impossible.
02:23But then he said, many platform providers have a few things that they will not violate.
02:29One is, for example, when it comes to children's pornography, sexual offences,
02:35when it comes to children, there are certain guidelines that they will abide by the government.
02:40So that will also assist the government when it comes to children.
02:43That is why the ACTA that we are doing now, the act that we are doing,
02:46we are putting a lot of issues in.
02:48Not just the responsibility on the platform providers,
02:52but we want that the public is also participating to engage.
02:56I think that is basically what the presentation that is going to happen today and tomorrow,
03:00to explain how we have to shift the responsibility to the community.
03:04That is basically what we are trying to do.
03:06To allow the law to do that.
03:08People must be responsible.
03:10You mentioned that you are now in Phase 2, moving to Phase 3,
03:13which is stakeholder engagement.
03:15And then you also want to table it in October, less than a month from now.
03:17October sitting of Parliament. Do you think that timeline is feasible?
03:20And then the second question is, you mentioned this is not a regulating act.
03:24Could you elaborate a bit more on that, please?
03:27When I said October session, of course when October starts,
03:31definitely the budget will go first.
03:33So we will have maybe two weeks towards the end, December.
03:38But then, of course, the drafting is being drafted.
03:42We already drafted the bill.
03:44But we want to get more engagement.
03:46Then we have to get a policy decision by the government, which is the Cabinet decision.
03:50Then once we have that, when the bill is ready,
03:53then we will engage on all the MPs to get their response.
03:56Because, you know, when it goes to Parliament,
03:58there are various standards the MPs can take.
04:02They may refer to the Select Committee,
04:04they may discuss with us before we do the second reading.
04:07Those are various processes and procedures that are available out there.
04:12Now, the reason that I mentioned to you is that this is not a regulating bill.
04:17The regulators are MCMC.
04:19This new law is not about regulating.
04:22This new law is about duty, what is expected of you.
04:25Exposing a duty on the social media platform?
04:28No, on everyone, even the users.
04:30That's what I think the Speaker has mentioned.
04:32That I think from all the countries that have done some laws,
04:35some of the countries are really looking at their Online Safety Act.
04:39Because there was a certain gap that they discovered.
04:42Like in the UK, they're looking it back.
04:44In Australia and Canada, they're evaluating.
04:47So it depends on the country.
04:49But as far as we are concerned,
04:50we want to take the best practices from all those countries
04:54that have considered that when they did this law a few years ago,
04:58where was their mistake, where was the lacuna?
05:00So we want to come out.
05:02We're bringing in all the international experts to guide us.
05:05But what I want to assure the public,
05:07we will not compromise on the freedom of expression.
05:11This is the position of the government of Madani today.
05:13We're not going to compromise.
05:15Means, if you have that constitutional right,
05:17you are protected, you have that freedom,
05:19you have the freedom to express yourself.
05:21But if you are expressing yourself,
05:23and your expression is causing harm,
05:26like a statement which is slander or libel,
05:30there are many laws will take you on that road.
05:33I cannot stop you from talking, right?
05:35But you have to be responsible for what you talk.
05:38If you say something to me that is slander and libel, defamatory,
05:41I can take action over you, civil or criminal.
05:44But I can't stop you from talking.
05:46So it's the same thing with social media.
05:48Now, for MCMC, they are regulators.
05:52They regulate providers, system providers.
05:56They cannot be regulating people's behavior, you understand?
05:59So that's why we have to come up with this new law.
06:02So MCMC regulate, then this is new law on online safety.
06:05So we are trying to separate that.
06:08Because we want to learn from other countries how they look at this.
06:11Now, from all the government out there, they keep telling us,
06:14the platform providers, they will definitely compromise with the government
06:19because they are selling a product.
06:20Takkan they want to close down,
06:22TikTok, close down, and then walk away?
06:24They will never do that because there's too much business here.
06:26You understand?
06:27So basically, this is a new bill.
06:29It's something totally new.
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