00:00There is a lot of talk about negotiations,
00:02talking to each other, solving the issue.
00:04Where do I stand?
00:06I think everyone is looking at each other with suspicion.
00:11If I did it, then he should not back off.
00:14If we did it, then he should not back off.
00:16Fundamentally, the government is beneficial right now.
00:19There are a lot of things that Mr. Tariq Khan will demand,
00:22that you give up these things.
00:24Return our CTI, return the mandate.
00:26Let's talk about anything.
00:28Returning the mandate doesn't mean the government.
00:30It doesn't suit them.
00:32How will it start?
00:34Or will it not start?
00:36We are having a very good discussion.
00:38If you allow, instead of sugarcoating,
00:40let's have an open discussion.
00:42Sir, two or three things.
00:44The leader who comes in trouble,
00:46he remembers a new social contract.
00:49Do you remember, Benazir Bhutto was born in 1983.
00:52He was the first to introduce the term
00:54that there should be a new social contract.
00:56That was the objective,
00:58that all stakeholders should sit down and talk.
01:00Let's move forward, finish the case,
01:02save the country, and do everything.
01:04Do you remember, Asif Saeed Khosla was the Chief Justice.
01:06He was also a judge.
01:08He also wrote similar things in a judge's meeting.
01:10Politicians should sit down and save the country.
01:12Things are going wrong and we are going to the decline.
01:14The deadlock that we are sitting on,
01:16which suits Mr. Imran Khan right now,
01:18that there should be negotiations,
01:20there should be a discussion.
01:22In this, Mr. Nawaz Sharif is going through the same situation
01:24that Mr. Imran Khan is going through.
01:26Benazir Bhutto and Mr. Zardari also went through it.
01:28They got out of it.
01:30Mr. Imran Khan is not able to get out of it.
01:32In fact, you yourself were saying that
01:34this is a very long issue.
01:36Why is he not able to get out of it?
01:38Just because of one thing.
01:40Is it because of his advantage or disadvantage?
01:42No one is ready to give Mr. Khan a guarantee.
01:44Benazir Bhutto had a guarantor,
01:46Mr. Nawaz Sharif also had a guarantor.
01:48Mr. Khan has no guarantor.
01:50You must remember, who gave Mr. Nawaz Sharif a guarantee?
01:52Mr. Nawaz Sharif took a pledge
01:54that he will remain silent for 10-8 years.
01:56He will not do politics, supposedly.
01:58Who gave Mr. Benazir Bhutto a guarantee
02:00when the negotiations were taking place?
02:02The Americans gave a guarantee.
02:04Condoleezza Rice has written a whole chapter in her book.
02:06Tell me, is there anyone in the country
02:08or outside Pakistan who can give Mr. Khan a guarantee
02:10that whatever talks are decided with you,
02:12will be followed.
02:14Are you ready to give a guarantee?
02:16Sir, I am a journalist.
02:18I have nothing to do with this.
02:20I believe that a deal can be made
02:22if someone gives a guarantee.
02:24Absolutely. This is my understanding.
02:26I may be wrong.
02:28I believe that if a deal can be made,
02:30Imran Khan will have to be ready for it.
02:32The example you gave is that this is the system.
02:34This has always been the case.
02:36This is the system.
02:38This is how it will work.
02:40Even when Imran Khan's husband left Pakistan,
02:42he was also asking for a guarantee.
02:44This is the system.
02:46This is how it will work.
02:48You will leave the country.
02:50Twitter will remain silent.
02:52Nothing will happen if you agree to leave the country.
02:54I have heard this.
02:56Imran Khan will not agree to this.
02:58This is not a matter of leaving the country.
03:00This is not a matter of leaving the country.
03:02This is my understanding and reading.
03:04I don't have any information.
03:06Maybe this is in the mind of the establishment.
03:08Mr. Bhatti has sugar-coated
03:10that this is a matter of the government
03:12and Imran Khan.
03:14This is a matter of 20-25 years.
03:16The real problem is that
03:18Nawaz Sharif was always with the army.
03:20Then there was Mr. Bhattu's Musharraf.
03:22Then there was Mr. Khan's establishment.
03:24So the problems of the politicians
03:26are always with the establishment or the army.
03:28You have to talk to them.
03:30Now they are saying or understanding
03:32what we are understanding from their speeches
03:34or from the press releases of the core commander conferences
03:36or from the IASPR
03:38or from the people who know them,
03:40read them and talk to them.
03:42The establishment says,
03:44Don't be on our side.
03:46Don't say anything to us.
03:48We won't say anything to you.
03:50Go to the parliament.
03:52Do whatever you have to do.
03:54Don't get involved in our affairs.
03:56Don't say anything good or bad to us.
03:58They have this problem.
04:00Although in the past Mr. Nawaz Sharif
04:02has given speeches at the establishment.
04:04Benazir Bhutto has also done it.
04:06Asif Ali Zardari did not say
04:08that we will beat you up.
04:10But your keyboard warriors
04:12neither Mr. Nawaz Sharif
04:14nor Mr. Zardari
04:16were there to become a big force
04:18and embarrass the establishment.
04:20It was Mr. Pawar Khan
04:22who used it in a very lethal way.
04:24So it has become a personal fight
04:26more than a professional political fight
04:28or a game of power.
04:30It's a personal, it's an ego fight.
04:32Two big guns are fighting right now.
04:34It's not a business anymore.
04:36The line of Godfather
04:38is very famous.
04:40It's a personal,
04:42it's not a business.
04:44So that's the reason
04:46there is a problem.
04:48I agree with this.
04:50I agree with this.
04:52It's not personal.
04:54There is no doubt about it.
04:56But there are some things
04:58that are very important.
05:00Neither Imran Khan has
05:02Shahbaz Sharif
05:04nor Asif Ali Zardari.
05:06Secondly, Imran Khan
05:08has given the options
05:10that we have heard about.
05:12He has given the option
05:14to go out of the country
05:16and become a minus.
05:18So it means that
05:20at that time,
05:22there was no guarantee
05:24of Saudi Arabia or America.
05:26It was a deal.
05:28He has done this
05:30all his life.
05:32One step forward,
05:34one step back.
05:36This time,
05:38this time,
05:40this time,
05:42I remember that
05:44Mr. Iqbal said
05:46in 2014 that
05:48it's difficult.
05:50Mr. Mian Sir
05:52used to get up
05:54and stand up.
05:56Mr. Mian Sir
05:58used to get up
06:00and stand up.
06:02Mr. Mian Sir
06:04used to get up
06:06and stand up.
06:12If there is
06:14a topic of your program,
06:16I remember the topic of
06:18Barmi Jamaat as well.
06:20Patti sir has a problem.
06:22He said that the topic of the exam
06:24is football match.
06:26The topic of the exam
06:28has changed.
06:30He said that
06:32But today, there was a football match going on downstairs, and after that, all the football was on the mat.
06:39Now, one thing is that Imran Khan is not Nawaz Sharif. You can debate on this, whether in a good way or a bad way, it is different.
06:47Imran Khan is not Aazam Ali Zardari. Imran Khan will not want that kind of deal right now, that I will silence Twitter.
06:55Whether he wants it or not, it may be that he wants to get out of it, but not like this, that I have a firewall today,
07:03so much respect has come. If they make fake reports that I go to London, or if someone brings me to America at night,
07:14then he will not do it. First, that deal. Second, it has never been 9th May. Things have never come in front of me like this.
07:22We can debate on this, what is this, what is not. But there are a lot of things that are not there.
07:27They have weaponized the dislike in 9th May. When did it come that I will… I understand what you are saying.
07:36So, one is not that, the other team is not Nawaz Sharif and Zardari, and the situation is not like that.
07:44And third, both are beneficiaries, Nawaz Sharif and Zardari.
07:48There is no third force either. Earlier it used to be that the third force always benefited in the fight of two.
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