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Bitcoin reached the $50,000 mark for the first time since the bullish days of 2021. Its surge comes from a five-day period where it gained 13% and represents a strong recovery from a large sell-off in mid-January when long-awaited spot bitcoin exchange-traded funds (ETF) began to trade.

During the January drop, bitcoin fell to $38,500, as it succumbed to a familiar pattern of ‘buying the rumor and selling the news’ that plagued previously anticipated events in crypto such as the April 2021 direct listing by Coinbase and the launch of cash-settled bitcoin futures ETFs in October 2021.

Steven Ehrlich, the director of Forbes Digital Assets, joins “Forbes Talks” to discuss Bitcoin reaching $50,000 for the first time since 2021.

0:00 Introduction
0:20 Bitcoin reaching $50,000 Value Today
2:35 How Does This Translate To Real Money And The Stock Market?
3:57 What Was The Highest Bitcoin Before Today?
7:43 How Bitcoin Users Can Capitalize
10:01 What Are Current Bitcoin Miners Doing Now/Next

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Transcript
00:00 Hi everyone, I'm Rosemary Miller here with Stephen Ehrlich, the Director of Forbes Digital
00:07 Assets here to tell us all about Bitcoin reaching $50,000 for the first time since 2021. Thank
00:16 you so much for joining me today, Steve.
00:18 Thanks, Rosemary.
00:20 So Steve, what happened? Why did Bitcoin reach 50k today?
00:26 It's been a bit of a slow burn really over the last few weeks or so. As you probably
00:31 recall, on January 11th, the SEC finally greenlit about 10 different spot Bitcoin ETF funds
00:39 to begin trading. And this was a long awaited, kind of a 10 year wait for crypto. And as
00:45 we've spoken previously, Rosemary, Bitcoin really surged about 50% in the three months
00:50 leading up to that point in time. I believe when the funds started trading, Bitcoin was
00:55 around 46,000. It went all the way up to about 49,000. But then as Bitcoin has a habit of
01:02 doing, it turned out that at least for now, those ETFs were a buy the rumor, sell the
01:06 news sort of event where Bitcoin then quickly fell down to 38,500 or so. A big part of that
01:13 was the fact that FTX, the estate of the collapsed exchange created by Sandbank and Freed had
01:19 about $1.2 billion worth of shares in one particular fund, this Grayscale Bitcoin Trust
01:24 that it liquidated right away, which sort of canceled out a lot of the net inflows.
01:30 But really kind of this, but a lot of trading volume, these ETFs were sort of muted. But
01:38 as we've seen over the last few weeks, and this was something that I predicted and many
01:41 other analysts had kind of predicted, there wasn't going to be a big usher in of $10 billion,
01:46 $20 billion into these funds right away. It just it takes time. And just because these
01:50 things are allowed to trade, that doesn't mean that all the different investment advisors
01:54 and brokers immediately start funneling customer funds into it. But we've started to see a
01:59 slow climb and really outflows from Grayscale have started to dwindle. And then the ETFs
02:07 led by Fidelity and BlackRock have a combined almost $8 billion in assets right now. And
02:11 it's just continuing to grow. So we've seen a surge in Bitcoin. I think the other thing
02:14 that's worth keeping in mind, too, is that in traditional equities, I mean, they're also
02:19 starting to grow. I mean, the Magnificent Seven continue to go up, led by Nvidia. And
02:23 just kind of in particular, I mean, the S&P keeps setting records across 5,000 for the
02:27 first time in history. And I think there is a bit more of a risk on behavior among traders
02:33 in particular.
02:34 So that's why it's starting to rebound after after Bitcoin dropped, after what the ETF
02:41 trading happened. So it's rebounding, it's correlated with traditional finance with the
02:48 stock market. That's what's going on here.
02:51 I think, I mean, there are certainly some some esoteric factors that are impacting Bitcoin.
02:56 I mean, I mean, it's really hard to discount just the ability for anyone to get exposure
03:03 to Bitcoin now without having to open up a wallet and fund an account somewhere like
03:08 Coinbase or Kraken or whatever. So those factors are very unique to Bitcoin, and I think they
03:14 will continue to grow. But to your point, I do think that we're in this sort of interesting
03:18 period just looking at the more macro picture where investors, they're trying to kind of
03:23 read the Fed's tea leaves to try and figure out where the economy is going.
03:26 Because on one hand, Jerome Powell and other members of the Fed are saying, like, hold
03:31 on, we're not going to decrease rates right now from the record highs that they ratcheted
03:35 them up to to kind of combat inflation. And but at the same time, we're also seeing like
03:42 robust economic growth, a terrific jobs report and so on and so forth. So and the stocks
03:47 keep going up. So investors are trying to make sense of all of this. And that's just
03:51 one additional threat that's helping sort of drive this risk on approach that I think
03:55 is flowing into Bitcoin as well.
03:57 So Steve, what was going on in crypto last time Bitcoin was this high?
04:01 Yeah, so this is a really interesting point, because the last time Bitcoin was this high
04:06 was December of 2021. When it was at this point, it was kind of climbing down from close
04:12 to $70,000. It reached that point in October of 2021. And that's when the SEC greenlit
04:18 the trading and launch of Bitcoin futures ETFs. These are different than spot ones,
04:23 because futures really just kind of roll up futures contracts, cash settles futures contracts
04:27 into an equity people can trade these new products to actually physically acquire the
04:31 Bitcoin. That's not super relevant here. But that was another one of those by the rumor
04:35 sell the news types of events. And Bitcoin is kind of on its way down. As we all know,
04:40 2022 was horrendous for all markets, but in particular for crypto. I mean, just in general,
04:46 record high inflation led to a risk off approach across all asset classes. But in particular,
04:51 I mean, crypto then struggled from the collapse and bankruptcy of three hours capital, which
04:55 led to subsequent bankruptcies of all sorts of major firms, BlackFriars, Voyager, Celsius,
05:01 so on and so forth. And all of that was sort of capped by the collapse and bankruptcy of
05:05 FTX in November 2022, which when other markets started to stabilize Bitcoin then went down
05:11 even further. And I believe Bitcoin fell almost as low as I think 15 or 16,000, which is three,
05:17 four X below what it is now. So that's what crypto really was dealing with. And if you
05:22 looked in December 2021, I mean, nobody would have anticipated all the pain, everything
05:27 that happened. So the fact that it was kind of able to build itself back up after so many
05:32 critics were dancing on the graves of crypto, I think is a real testament to the power of
05:36 this community.
05:37 Well, do you believe it's sustainable Bitcoin lingering around this $50,000 mark? And I
05:42 mean, what do you think is likely to happen next?
05:46 I do think it is sustainable. I mean, there could be reversals. I've been reading a lot
05:51 about sort of sell walls at 50,000. There's a lot of I think there's a strong chance that
05:58 there's going to be some short term profit taking, which tends to happen, especially
06:02 when Bitcoin reaches sort of these important mental thresholds. So I would not be surprised
06:07 to see a bit of a retrace, maybe back down to the mid to high 40s. But longer term, I
06:14 do think that this is going to be sustainable. I mean, as you know, I don't get into long
06:18 term price predictions because that's frankly just throwing darts at the dartboard. But
06:22 if you just look fundamentally at what's happening, there's going to be more and more brokers
06:27 and RIAs that are onboarding clients into these products, which will help drive demand.
06:32 And then in April, Bitcoin is going to have its fourth halving. This is a quadrennial
06:37 event that's really kind of celebrated in the community. And basically what it means
06:42 is that the issuance rate of new Bitcoin is going to be reduced by 50 percent. I believe
06:47 right now it's 6.25 Bitcoin per every block that gets created on an average of 10 minutes.
06:52 Now it's going to go down to 3.125. And it's going to keep halving every four years until
06:57 the final Bitcoin is mined in the year 2140. This is not just a cause of celebration for
07:02 Bitcoin sort of like hardwired monetary policy. These halvings have traditionally been very
07:07 bullish for Bitcoin and just simply it's a supply and demand thing. Each Bitcoin doesn't
07:13 necessarily get scarcer. But again, it's a sort of like a disinflationary type of process,
07:19 which tends to reward investors over the long term. So with these kind of concurrent events,
07:25 the increased flows plus the halving, it really could create a sort of a cocktail of demand
07:31 that could drive the price of Bitcoin higher. But again, I'm not going to necessarily get
07:36 into specific predictions on where the price could go. There's plenty of pundits out there
07:40 that are prognosticating on $100,000, $200,000, $500,000, $1 million. I'll let them kind of
07:45 stick to what they want to do.
07:47 Well, Steve, how are crypto stocks and other assets reacting to this news?
07:52 Yeah, this is really interesting because one of the things that we've spoken about quite
07:57 often Rosemary is just that Bitcoin is sort of the bellwether or the engine for the rest
08:02 of crypto. When it's doing well, other assets tend to follow it, follow it and tend to outperform
08:09 it. And the reverse is true as well. It's the safe haven assets when the markets are
08:14 doing poorly. People will roll out of these like altcoins or smaller cap alternative tokens
08:21 and go into Bitcoin. And right now it's just kind of just checking the numbers a little
08:24 bit because Bitcoin had been going up and it's being outpaced in particular by Ether,
08:30 which is seen as like the second largest crypto token. But then even some tokens that are
08:37 more directly relevant or correlated to Bitcoin itself, like Stacks, which is kind of seen
08:41 as a complementary blockchain to Bitcoin. And then sort of this new meme coin token
08:47 called Ordi, which is also based on Bitcoin. I mean, they're also, I think, somewhere between
08:53 6 and 10 percent up on the day and Bitcoin really is only up about 2 percent. So that's
08:57 why when I was talking about the slow burn for Bitcoin, it's not like Bitcoin surged
09:00 up 15 percent today and reached this number. It's kind of been going for a while, which
09:04 is why things might be a bit more sustainable. And then even on the equity side, too, it's
09:09 a lot of investors, especially if Bitcoin is starting to do well, will buy exposure,
09:15 further exposure to Bitcoin through equities. MicroStrategy, which has the largest treasury
09:20 of Bitcoin in the world, at least from a corporate perspective, it's up. A lot of the Bitcoin
09:25 miners, Marathon, Riot, Strongholds, CleanSpark, they're all outperforming Bitcoin right now.
09:31 And interestingly, Coinbase is not, because Coinbase is seen as a bit more of a diversified
09:37 way to get exposure to the space. So we are seeing the same patterns that we frequently
09:42 see when Bitcoin reaches these thresholds or does well, where some of these higher beta,
09:47 more ancillary stocks and tokens are outperforming it.
09:52 Wow. So wait, could you touch on Coinbase a little bit more? It's not up because it's
09:57 seen as a more diversified stock. What do you mean by that?
10:01 Well, it is it is still doing well. It is up. But the other stocks that I mentioned,
10:06 that the Bitcoin miners and the MicroStrategy are seen as pure plays. I mean, MicroStrategy
10:11 in particular is almost seen as an ETF substitute. And for many years before these ETFs began
10:17 to trade, it really was like the only true ETF substitute out there. Coinbase and this
10:23 is a much more diverse story. Coinbase has been working for years to sort of diversify
10:31 its revenue sources away from from trading fees in particular, which once were 90, I
10:36 mean, 97, 98, 99 percent of its total revenue. They wanted to not be as vulnerable to market
10:43 cycles. And then even within trading, they've been actively trying to diversify trading
10:48 attention away from Bitcoin to Ether and then other altcoins where there aren't necessarily
10:53 this ETF substitute. So from a Coinbase perspective, I mean, some of these other sources of revenue
10:59 include staking fees where they will stake assets on behalf of clients, which basically
11:04 means they post them as collateral to network for the right to process transactions, safer
11:08 networks and get rewards. They have a whole custody business. They launch their own new
11:12 blockchain called Base where they generate fees from there. One of the actually the biggest
11:17 extra source of revenue outside of trading fees is from stablecoin revenue. They're a
11:22 joint issuer of the world's second largest stablecoin called USD coin with Circle. I
11:27 believe right now it has a market cap somewhere of twenty seven billion dollars or so. And
11:32 a lot of that is they generate profit from that because they can take that money and
11:37 then invest it in short term treasuries and other cash equivalents and generate returns,
11:42 especially right now, like four to five percent annually. And the overhead for that particular
11:47 product is pretty small. So all those different ways Coinbase is, excuse me, all those different
11:53 ways is helping Coinbase to diversify its its revenue sources. But that also means its
12:00 growth, its stock movement should be smoother than the Bitcoin miners. But during acute
12:04 periods like this where there's a lot of focus just on Bitcoin, it's likely to underperform
12:10 some of the more pure plays.
12:11 OK, well, thank you so much for joining me today, Steve.
12:15 Great. Thanks, Rosemary.
12:16 Bye.
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