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Kashif Abbasi Analysis on PTI "Bat" Symbol Case | Breaking News
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00:00 Senior anchor person Kashif Abasi has joined us.
00:03 Let's talk to him as well.
00:04 Kashif sir, we saw from the morning that the meeting started at 10 am and continued till 7 pm.
00:09 The decision was secured.
00:11 What would you comment on this overall situation?
00:13 Look, Pakistani politics is a complete soap opera.
00:18 It's not like the dramas you watch on TV.
00:21 It's an unending soap.
00:25 The meeting lasted for two days and 11 hours, if I'm not mistaken.
00:30 The fundamental question is whether we can take the ballot.
00:35 The Peshawar High Court has already decided twice that there is no need for election promotion.
00:40 But the Supreme Court has to decide.
00:43 If you look at the reactions and responses on Twitter from journalists and the Vukla,
00:51 who are not politically aligned, they tell you a lot about what is happening here.
00:58 What kind of country is this?
00:59 Twenty-five days left for the elections.
01:01 And even today, we don't know if a political party will get its electoral vote.
01:06 The whole of Pakistan knows what is happening in Pakistan.
01:08 The Chief Justice doesn't know what is happening outside of Pakistan.
01:12 But let's see.
01:13 The hearing has taken place.
01:15 As the Chief Justice pointed out, there have been compelling arguments from both sides.
01:22 Let's see what happens, what decision is made,
01:25 whether the Chief Justice will be given a sign of change.
01:27 Because if you look at it from a political perspective,
01:33 there are legal arguments, of course, we have given those legal arguments.
01:37 I have been hearing legal arguments from the past few days that Vukla gives arguments from both sides.
01:44 The real issue here is also political.
01:47 A political process is also taking place in this country.
01:50 The politics is also being implemented in many decisions that are being taken these days,
01:56 whether they are being taken by institutions or from the other side.
01:59 So here too, you saw that, I was listening to the proceedings,
02:04 the ANT will be given an electoral vote.
02:06 They said they will not even have two intra-party elections.
02:08 But obviously, it is an environment of this country, a special environment.
02:11 In that environment, someone will have a microscope on more,
02:15 someone's microscope will be a little weak at some places.
02:18 So, Mr. Tariq An's microscope is there.
02:20 I was watching the news in ARY today, that he is being picked up by the DSA,
02:24 papers are being picked up from somewhere.
02:26 Such incidents are now going on.
02:28 Now let's see what the decision is.
02:31 Obviously, this will be a very critical decision for Mr. Tariq An's election campaign.
02:37 Not just for that, remember that the election results will have a very big impact on this decision.
02:44 One is that the political party is going without its symbol.
02:46 Apart from that, there are more than 250 seats, reserved seats,
02:52 whose decision is according to the electoral symbol.
02:57 So, whatever decision comes, it will affect the upcoming elections a lot,
03:04 whether it is favorable for any party or against it.
03:08 But the electoral process will definitely be affected, because if it goes in its favor,
03:12 then obviously justice will be a force in this election.
03:15 If it goes against it and does not get the electoral symbol,
03:18 then obviously it will be a big blow, a big loss.
03:21 Let's wait, I think it will be a while.
03:24 Yes, it is being said in a few moments that a safe decision will be announced.
03:29 On the other hand, there is a very interesting situation between PTI and PTI Nazriati.
03:34 What will you comment on that?
03:36 They say that they have 70 candidates.
03:39 I was listening on our channel, I was listening in the news that
03:45 a pact was perhaps made between PTI and PTI Nazriati.
03:49 Look, we have been told for a long time that there is a plan B, there is a plan C,
03:53 that plan B and plan C, we knew that plan B and plan C,
03:56 but the name of justice Nazriati has not come to me.
03:59 I have heard many political talks, which were told by the Justice Department,
04:03 that we have an agreement with this
04:08 that if we do not get the ballot, then we will go to some other political party.
04:14 But if we do not give the ballot, then we will not get the ballot.
04:18 This was said before, I am sure everyone knew,
04:21 the Election Commission decided it suddenly.
04:24 What to do, this was a very interesting development,
04:29 how quickly and how quickly the Election Commission of Pakistan decided
04:33 that there will be no ballot.
04:36 After a while, the chairman of Nazriati also came
04:41 and he said that we did not have such a pact.
04:44 Mr. Derricken is showing the pact, saying that this is the sign that
04:47 there was a total agreement with them, that I will give the ballot.
04:50 But you also see it in the context of the situation in this country.
04:53 I heard Mr. Zoho Basan, he said that they took him away,
04:56 when they came back, there was a press conference after that.
04:59 I think we have also become quite used to and familiar with this procedure,
05:03 that people come and press conferences.
05:05 This PTI and PTI Nazriati also came forward.
05:08 Mr. Kashif, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf is also claiming that
05:11 Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf leaders are being arrested from different cities,
05:15 different places, from Maltan, from different places.
05:18 While the documents of Raja Basharat have also been taken back.
05:21 Look, I am a patient myself, I had to go to the hospital for a while,
05:27 I was told there, in fact a video was also sent to me,
05:30 that when to submit the nomination papers,
05:33 that I have submitted the nomination papers of Mr. Tariq-e-Insaf, Mr. Sattish,
05:36 when I went to his office, the office of the RO was closed.
05:39 And he was told that the police, the police was standing in front of him,
05:43 and he was told that they are trying to take him away from us.
05:46 So this is the whole, I am sure you are getting the news from the whole of Punjab,
05:49 that how this is being done.
05:51 And this is not the first time that this procedure,
05:54 we have seen it before, when the proposal and seconders were taken,
05:58 the papers were snatched from the nomination papers,
06:01 the candidates who had filled those nomination papers were taken away.
06:05 As I said earlier, everyone can see what is happening outside.
06:09 These elections are taking place in a special environment.
06:12 In that special environment, there is a special kind of mercy on a political party,
06:17 which you are seeing again and again.
06:19 Chief Justice, you say, why is this happening to you?
06:22 I feel like going to the level of their innocence,
06:25 that I am sure they do not read the newspapers,
06:28 they are classical judges, they do not watch TV.
06:30 But all Pakistanis know what is happening outside.
06:33 But when Chief Justice asks why is this happening to you,
06:37 then they should also understand why this is happening.
06:40 Why do such incidents happen again and again with the same political party,
06:45 that their nomination is taken away,
06:48 their scrutiny is done.
06:50 I am talking about the boy who ran away with the papers of Raja Bisharat on TV screen.
06:55 I am watching the video of that boy.
06:57 Why is this happening?
06:59 I am sure that when they say that do not talk against any institution,
07:05 let the reputation of the institution remain,
07:07 believe me, keeping the reputation of the institution,
07:09 the institution is its own business.
07:11 Everyone sitting outside can see what the institution is doing,
07:16 to what extent it is doing its work honestly.
07:19 It is not like you talk about the 2017 elections,
07:23 and a certain number of judges are criticized,
07:27 whether it is Ibtekhar Chaudhary or Saqib Nisar,
07:31 for some reason this criticism is done,
07:33 for some reason the Election Commission of Pakistan is criticized.
07:36 The incidents that are happening,
07:38 nowadays everyone has a smartphone,
07:40 all the videos are made in that smartphone.
07:43 In fact, it has become a smart thing,
07:45 that the four people who are going ahead,
07:47 they would have hidden their camera man,
07:49 they know that if something happens,
07:51 it is this camera man who will make the video,
07:53 and that will be useful as evidence later.
07:57 The situation is visible, everyone can see,
08:00 why is this happening, everyone knows.
08:02 So, as you said that this…
08:04 Okay, Kashif, what is the role of the Election Commission in this,
08:08 and what should be done?
08:10 Look, it is not just the role of the Election Commission,
08:12 it is the role of the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
08:14 Because there will not be only elections in this country,
08:17 there will be free and fair elections.
08:19 Everyone has to decide, especially the leaders,
08:22 that you have to only have elections,
08:25 is there only voting on 8th February,
08:28 or there has to be a process of elections.
08:30 You will think that today, yesterday,
08:32 for some time now, what you are seeing,
08:34 what is happening, what will happen on 8th February in this country?
08:36 But of course, we will ask for evidence of it,
08:38 that Chief Justice will say, bring evidence of it,
08:40 where will the evidence come from?
08:42 Whatever is happening, the institutions make their own reputation,
08:45 they make it themselves.
08:46 There is a reason why the Election Commission of Pakistan is very important in India.
08:49 There must be a reason for this.
08:51 They stand on their decisions,
08:53 the way the Election Commission should work,
08:55 the way the Election Commission works there.
08:57 Here, you have seen the Election Commission,
09:00 I am sure the Election Commission will not like these things,
09:03 but everyone sitting outside can see,
09:05 that what is the reason that the party which is in trouble,
09:08 the candidates are being picked,
09:10 the nominees are being picked,
09:12 have you heard in the last month,
09:14 that someone else has picked the proposer of the political party,
09:17 picked the seconder,
09:18 snatched the paper and ran away,
09:20 someone's men picked it and took it away.
09:22 Some other political party has criticized this.
09:24 When Bilawal sir talks about the level playing field,
09:26 he says that someone else is being supported.
09:28 That is, the atmosphere is being created for Nawal Sharif sir,
09:31 the ground is being laid for him.
09:33 He says, don't support them.
09:35 He doesn't say that our candidates are facing difficulties.
09:37 Here, there is only one party which is facing difficulties,
09:40 in its nomination papers,
09:42 their people are being picked,
09:44 their candidates, even today,
09:46 can't start a campaign,
09:48 because they don't know what our party symbol will be,
09:52 what our election symbol will be.
09:54 So, these are the circumstances.
09:56 A few years later, people will talk openly about this,
10:00 like today, in the situation of 2017-18,
10:02 people talk openly.
10:04 A few years later, people will talk openly about the 2024 elections.
10:08 People's names will be taken,
10:10 maybe not today, because we are sitting on the podium.
10:12 But at that time, people's names will be taken.
10:14 So, this is also visible,
10:16 people know what game they are playing.
10:18 So, this is not a new thing for Pakistan's politics.
10:21 In 70 years, we have learned this lesson,
10:24 that we have to give free and fair elections to people in this country.
10:27 You are talking about the Supreme Court, Mr. Kashif.
10:29 If we talk about the Election Commission,
10:31 the Election Commission first goes to the Lahore High Court,
10:34 then to the Supreme Court,
10:35 then the Election Commission increases the time.
10:37 Is it right to target the same party?
10:40 It is not right.
10:42 That's why it is said that there is an adversary,
10:44 an opponent in this case,
10:46 the Election Commission of Pakistan.
10:49 And that's why it is seen that they are adamant
10:53 that we have not given a political party its election symbol.
10:56 They are adamant about this.
10:58 Although, the Peshawar High Court made a very clear decision
11:02 that you have to give an election symbol.
11:06 I will draw a comparison for you.
11:09 You must remember that there was a stay order for ROs and DROs
11:12 from the Lahore High Court.
11:13 The Election Commission went to the Supreme Court.
11:16 So, the question was asked there,
11:18 that if the decision was not made in the decision,
11:21 then why did you stop the training?
11:23 The Supreme Court's decision has not yet been made.
11:25 The election symbol of Pakistan,
11:28 the last decision that has been made,
11:31 I think, has been made by the Peshawar High Court.
11:34 Despite that, the symbol has not been given,
11:36 nor has their website been uploaded.
11:38 So, if I draw something from that decision,
11:41 then they should still follow that decision.
11:44 But they are still waiting, or are still hoping
11:47 that the Supreme Court might give a decision in their favor
11:50 and somehow they don't give this ballot to a political mind.
11:54 There are about 171 political parties.
11:57 You know about all the political parties in Pakistan,
12:00 that apart from a couple of them,
12:02 there are no elections in any party.
12:04 Everyone is unopposed.
12:05 I think when Supreme Court Chief Justice asked the question,
12:08 he did not realize that there are unopposed elections here.
12:11 No one wants to end their politics
12:15 by having elections against some Bhutto or Sharif,
12:19 or against some Imran Khan.
12:22 They know that if they want to continue their politics
12:25 in any political party,
12:27 then no one will stand against their big badmouth,
12:30 or that political party.
12:32 Here we are talking about 3-4 big political parties,
12:35 and there are no elections in any political party.
12:37 Except for the Jamaat-e-Islami,
12:38 there are a couple of political parties where elections are held.
12:41 So, I think Supreme Court Chief Justice does not know this.
12:45 He was talking about Luli Langri democracy.
12:47 When he was talking about democracy,
12:49 if he will hold elections for other parties,
12:51 he will see notifications there as well.
12:53 That he is notified that he is the chairman,
12:55 he is the president, he is the deputy president,
12:57 he is the chief organizer, he is the secretary general.
13:00 There are no elections in any political party.
13:02 But here we see that the Election Commission of Pakistan
13:05 is trying to do an action against only one political party,
13:09 which many people think that they do not have the power.
13:13 It is possible that they have the power.
13:14 The law that I read,
13:16 obviously we are not lawyers,
13:17 we cannot understand the law the way you think.
13:20 But it is written somewhere that
13:23 election signs should not be given to any political party.
13:26 But it is not written anywhere that
13:28 you have to scrutinize only one political party.
13:30 It is written that you have to scrutinize every political party.
13:33 So, if today the Election Commission is called and asked
13:35 that how many political parties have you scrutinized?
13:37 How many political parties have you seen such problems
13:40 that you have seen problems in elections of this party?
13:43 So, I am sure they will answer that
13:45 we have not scrutinized anyone,
13:47 we have scrutinized only one party.
13:49 And we have taken back the ballot symbol in front of that.
13:51 We can see an adversary of the Election Commission.
13:54 At least the situation we are seeing in the last few days
13:57 is hell bent that they somehow take back their ballot sign.
14:00 The decision is in the hands of the Supreme Court.
14:02 Obviously, the Supreme Court will take this decision after some time.
14:04 Absolutely, this safe decision will be revealed after some time.
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