00:00 As you said, this is a possibility, it happened in the past, with the People's Party,
00:05 with PMLN temporarily, their mark was not there,
00:09 then the independent people were standing in the Senate.
00:13 Is PTI thinking on this trend?
00:16 Are you thinking of any substitute mark, Plan B, Plan C, Plan D,
00:22 any plan to register a substitute party?
00:27 Is there any serious thought about the mark and the party?
00:30 Look, Plan B and Plan C should always be there.
00:34 When you don't have the rule of the game, when the rules are changing,
00:39 then you have to change your strategies along with it.
00:43 But for now, we have only one aim, and I am sure,
00:47 that the Election Commission of Pakistan is looking at the matter at the moment,
00:53 that they cannot declare this election as invalid.
00:59 They will have to accept this election.
01:01 And if they don't accept, then our first option will be
01:05 that we will go to the court,
01:09 and if we don't get a hearing in the court,
01:13 then we will go to the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
01:15 But we will not leave our symbol PTI.
01:19 Because if the Election Commission of Pakistan does anything illegal,
01:23 then we have every right to take legal action against it.
01:27 But Ali Zafar, what time do you have?
01:30 Because the election schedule is going to be announced very soon.
01:33 Apart from that, if you get stuck in litigation,
01:35 then you will have to deal with the Election Commission,
01:37 then you will have to challenge it, whatever your wish is, you will have to do.
01:41 So, this election schedule is going to be announced,
01:43 will all this be managed in the near future?
01:45 Do you have time?
01:48 You pointed out correctly that there is a crisis of time.
01:53 Because there is less time.
01:55 And the Election Commission of Pakistan can do something on time.
02:00 That's why we should be ready for it.
02:02 That along with the plan B appeal,
02:05 or legal action,
02:07 our political strategy is also necessary.
02:11 It is in place as a strategy.
02:13 If we have to do it, then we will definitely do it.
02:16 But the hope is that if the Election Commission of Pakistan,
02:19 first of all, will decide according to the law and regulations.
02:22 And if something happens,
02:24 because of which we had to go to the appeal,
02:27 then this hope is that it will end in one day.
02:30 Because this is a matter of fundamental rights.
02:34 This is a matter of Pakistan's biggest political party.
02:37 This is a matter of democracy.
02:39 This is a matter of the law.
02:41 This is ultimately a matter of the people.
02:43 And if you don't end it soon,
02:47 then our system of justice will be damaged.
02:52 Ali Zafar, the point that the Election Commission of Pakistan did not do today,
02:57 has two interpretations.
02:58 Either they trust your electoral process,
03:00 they said that the election was right.
03:02 Or they don't trust at all.
03:04 And there is a risk of further scrutiny on the next actions.
03:08 What is your interpretation of today's end?
03:12 I read this statement.
03:14 And you are very intellectual.
03:20 You interpreted both of them.
03:23 Because on the one hand, it can also be said that the member who said this,
03:28 means that there is no life in your request.
03:31 The election has taken place.
03:33 We cannot go ahead of it now.
03:35 This is the legal position.
03:37 If you explain this statement,
03:39 then this is the legal position.
03:41 But on the other hand, some people are also saying,
03:43 which you pointed out,
03:45 that if we invalidate the election,
03:50 then we will not give you a chance to run the election again.
03:53 So these two interpretations can be made.
03:56 But the better and correct interpretation is that the election has now taken place.
04:07 There is no room for it in the future.
04:09 The election commission of Pakistan has the power to make further changes.
04:16 And invalidate it.
04:18 Now the election has taken place.
04:20 And the election commission of Pakistan has the power.
04:22 They just have to see whether the election has taken place or not.
04:24 Whether it was right or wrong.
04:26 What happened? Did anyone get a chance or not?
04:28 This is not the power of the election commission of Pakistan.
04:31 So now I ask you a political question.
04:34 At the last moment, we will take permission from you.
04:36 But the question is, in the coming days,
04:38 all the legal battles that you are fighting,
04:40 are you seeing any relief in this?
04:42 Do you see any space for political activity?
04:45 In the next month or so,
04:47 or is this space shrinking?
04:49 What is your perception?
04:51 Look, I will give you my personal opinion first.
04:54 Political matters,
04:56 mostly in the whole world,
04:59 in the political field,
05:02 the decisions are made in the political field.
05:07 Very few cases can be solved through the court.
05:13 But when there are no rules,
05:15 when the rules of the game are changing,
05:18 when you have to go to the law for justice,
05:26 if you have to go to the court,
05:28 then you have no solution,
05:30 except that you go to the courts.
05:32 So our hope is that the courts,
05:35 it is true that they say that we will go in a routine,
05:40 but this is a situation where the courts
05:43 will not have to go in a routine.
05:46 Now the courts,
05:48 because the election is right in front,
05:50 so the decisions will have to be made quickly.
05:52 And we are definitely facing difficulties,
05:55 especially where there is a delay issue,
05:58 the decisions are made in a delay.
06:00 You also mentioned this.
06:02 We have to solve that thing too.
06:04 We have to overcome that difficulty too.
06:06 And we will do it.
06:08 We are trying.
06:10 Thank you very much.
06:11 Senator Barrister Jaffar was with us.
06:13 Regarding the signs of the PTI election,
06:16 he feels that perhaps only Pakistan does not want the election,
06:19 that justice is in the election.
06:21 He thinks that the election commission does not stand legally,
06:24 that there is no place or mandate for them to do such scrutiny
06:28 regarding the intra-party elections of a community.
06:31 Ali Zafar was with us,
06:33 was discussing the intra-party elections of Pakistan Tariq Insaaf.
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