00:00 - Why don't we just go out and have a drink at a bar?
00:02 - That got you!
00:03 (laughing)
00:04 - No!
00:04 - I have a stare fetish, in case you didn't get that
00:06 from all the other movies.
00:07 - That moment, I'm left with kinda,
00:09 "F***, really?"
00:10 - It's like, "Ah, oh my gosh!"
00:13 - And so it begins.
00:14 (upbeat music)
00:17 - Well, speaking of just punishing sequences,
00:21 the one that I really wanna ask you about
00:23 is the staircase sequence in this one,
00:25 because, my God, like, that is--
00:27 - It's banana cakes.
00:27 - That's a lot of stairs, man.
00:28 - Yeah.
00:29 - I didn't get to do that.
00:30 I had a wonderful stunt man.
00:32 - Well, but I mean, you're still going up those stairs.
00:34 - Oh, no, no, no, don't get me wrong.
00:36 There was a lot, I did like 90% of it,
00:39 but there's a stair fall that was professional.
00:42 - Sure.
00:43 - But yeah, that was very intense.
00:46 - The other sequence I'll ask about is the Arc de Triomphe,
00:49 and just being surrounded by all those cars.
00:50 I mean, are you taking those car hits, or again, is that--
00:54 - Those are trained professionals.
00:55 I'm throwing people into cars, I'm like, yeah.
00:59 So yeah, I'll leave that to the professionals.
01:02 - I have a stare fetish, in case you didn't get that
01:04 from all the other movies about throwing stunt guys.
01:06 It's either car hits or stairs, right?
01:07 I can't figure out why.
01:09 Or chopping things off hands, I don't know.
01:11 - It's very dynamic.
01:11 I mean, it is, yeah.
01:12 - It's something like a very stick motto, right?
01:14 So I think Keanu showed up on the first day
01:16 and showed up to the bottom
01:17 when he runs up, checks his watch,
01:18 and that's a real honest reaction.
01:20 He looks up, he's like, "Fuck."
01:23 I just think he actually realized, like,
01:24 oh, we're gonna spend the next two weeks here
01:26 running up and down.
01:27 It was pretty funny.
01:28 - How do you imagine their lives outside of this work?
01:31 Like, do you guys have, like, built backstories
01:33 for who they are outside of the assassin world?
01:36 - Oh yeah, I think Winston goes back
01:37 to his Eastside brownstone and plays a lot of Wagner.
01:41 - That guy, sure.
01:42 (laughing)
01:44 No, no, no.
01:45 - Because I was imagining, 'cause I imagined him--
01:47 - You didn't imagine they lived together.
01:48 Don't say they lived together.
01:49 - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
01:50 But I mean, he goes back to the coolest loft in the world
01:55 and Jerome goes to, like, this really nice little apartment
01:59 and he's got some kind of pet
02:01 and he likes to watch Jeopardy.
02:03 - Sure. - Yeah, yeah.
02:04 - I mean, he definitely likes dogs.
02:06 He gets along with John's dogs, so yeah.
02:08 - Oh, I love that.
02:09 I like that idea, with Winston going back to his brown--
02:11 I never even asked him.
02:12 - Ah, making a cup of tea.
02:14 - Booking his hopney on the wall,
02:16 the one hopney on the wall,
02:17 then playing a bit of Parsifal, you know?
02:18 There you are.
02:19 - Well, it's canon now.
02:20 You said it.
02:21 I'm curious just how you kind of went about
02:23 filling in the gaps for yourself in his personal backstory.
02:26 - For me, what was the sort of defining
02:31 sort of characteristic of Bowery King
02:35 was when John Wick gets in trouble in that second movie
02:41 and everything looks like it's gonna go
02:43 right into the toilet,
02:44 and he pulls this marker out and he hands it to some guy,
02:48 and then suddenly you're in this underworld
02:52 that's underneath the Continental
02:55 and way underneath the high table.
02:57 You're like, "What's going on?"
03:01 That he is the safest when he's with the Bowery King.
03:08 Like, when he's with the Bowery King, he's completely safe.
03:11 That, for me, was sort of the defining thing.
03:18 - Man has to look his best when it's time to get married.
03:22 Or buried.
03:23 - When you have a character
03:24 who's introducing him to people as nobody,
03:26 do you have a certain extra feeling of responsibility
03:30 to figure out who this person is behind all the mystery?
03:33 - Of course, of course.
03:34 I think with any character,
03:35 you have to do a lot of research, for me at least.
03:38 And for this one, because I find he's one
03:40 of the most human characters in the franchise,
03:42 'cause he's the audience.
03:43 He's the guy coming in from the outside world
03:46 into their world.
03:47 And so what I told Chad was,
03:48 "What if the Tracker was studying every John Wick film
03:52 "as if it was a documentary?"
03:53 And so I built this whole backstory
03:55 that he was just a student,
03:57 and I would put photos of Keanu in my trailer
04:00 from the different John Wicks,
04:01 and it was like a timeline,
04:03 and this was the movie that Tracker
04:04 was gonna have his moment.
04:06 And then he'd go on to his next mission.
04:08 So that was kind of like a bit of a backstory
04:10 that I built for him, which was fun for me.
04:13 And obviously that doesn't make it on the screen,
04:15 but it helps anchor me,
04:16 and gives him those qualities that folks like you like.
04:20 - Well, now I'm gonna be just thinking,
04:22 every time I watch the first three,
04:23 I'm gonna be like, "Oh, Tracker's out in the back."
04:25 Like, you're just out of the conflict.
04:26 - Yeah, Tracker is definitely in every bush,
04:28 every behind, every nook and cranny,
04:30 in all the John Wick films.
04:32 - You know, try to make audience happy,
04:37 even they watched one, two, three,
04:42 and then a little pressure,
04:44 because we have to, they're gonna be chair.
04:49 And also, we are new face,
04:52 so some freshness bring into the movie.
04:57 So that was a fun part.
05:01 - It's not lost, I mean, the magnitude
05:02 of what this movie has done for people,
05:05 but at the same time, you know,
05:06 I rose to the occasion, I took responsibility,
05:08 and I said, "All right, Chad, I'm ready to get down and dirty.
05:11 I'm gonna tussle with Keanu Reeves."
05:13 Knowing how many bodies you're throwing at Keanu Reeves,
05:16 I'm curious if there is a stunt person
05:18 who has the record for being killed
05:20 the most times by John Wick.
05:22 - There actually, no lie, I swear to God,
05:25 Keanu's very tight with the stunt team, obviously.
05:27 Keanu actually gave t-shirts,
05:28 he's like three different t-shirts,
05:29 like the under 10, how many times you died in a sequence,
05:32 and then the 10 to 15, and I think two of our guys,
05:36 yeah, the poor, yes, we know who died the most in a sequence
05:39 and I think it might've been one of our guys, Bruce,
05:42 it's either Bruce or Jeremy, or maybe even Lee.
05:44 The two biggest ones were the stair fight
05:46 and the Arc de Triomphe fight,
05:48 I think it was the same guy, and he got like 18 kills.
05:50 But then our jujitsu instructor, Dave Camarillo,
05:53 had the most number of dog attacks, both in rehearsal,
05:55 he's crazy, I mean, he got a t-shirt,
05:57 Keanu gave it to him for like 100 dog attacks,
05:59 he did like 100, he was like the dog guy.
06:01 The dogs just love to play with him, so that was A.
06:03 - What is the recovery process from making a John Wick film,
06:06 and also just, is there a sequence
06:07 that left you with kind of the biggest ouch?
06:10 - Um, let's see, you know, I think for me,
06:14 part of the pleasure of these films
06:16 is the training and all the action, because it's fun,
06:21 and it's a way to express the character, you know,
06:24 his struggle getting knocked down, getting back up,
06:27 fighting for what he wants, believes in, fighting for.
06:30 And in terms of the ouchies, you know,
06:36 we're doing action like 10 hours a day,
06:39 so for me, recovery is all about cold water.
06:42 - Last words, Winston?
06:44 - Just have fun out there.
06:45 [laughing]
06:46 [upbeat music]
06:48 - I think there's a comparison to make
06:51 between you and Tom Cruise,
06:52 because both of you have just an extreme love of cinema,
06:55 you guys love movies so much,
06:57 and again, you both personally put yourself on the line,
07:00 you throw yourself into this action so much.
07:02 - Yeah.
07:03 - I'd love kind of your perspective
07:05 on what he does in the Mission Impossible movies,
07:07 and also, I mean, just your thoughts
07:08 about how Ethan Hunt would step up against John Wick.
07:11 - Why don't we just go out and have a drink at a bar?
07:14 - Sure.
07:15 [laughing]
07:16 - Basically, kind of, they're on the same side.
07:16 - Yeah, no, what Tom Cruise does is extraordinary
07:21 and special, and something that, again,
07:25 another legend in another universe, you know,
07:28 he's doing something, I'm more like on the ground,
07:31 playing in the mud, and he's like flying,
07:35 and jumping, and outside of buildings,
07:38 and helicopters, fighter jets,
07:40 so what he's doing in terms of the events
07:44 that he's participating in,
07:47 I think is extraordinary, and his passion for it,
07:52 his skill, his talent, just shines,
07:56 and I think we're just the beneficiaries
07:59 of his excellence, you know, and he's inspiring,
08:04 and I think one thing I could say is that I share,
08:09 you know, as you spoke about, the passion for movies,
08:12 and for, you know, we're lucky to be there,
08:16 and we're just trying to have fun,
08:17 and help people like what we do.
08:19 - And both of you are going to be
08:20 in the upcoming John Wick spin-off, "Ballerina,"
08:23 and I'm just hoping you could talk about
08:24 just working with Anna DeArmas,
08:26 kind of your character's dynamic,
08:27 compared to what Keanu did with John Wick and you guys.
08:30 - She was great, I was in, you know,
08:32 Prague last, what was it, last November, December?
08:35 - It was December, yeah.
08:35 - She was terrific.
08:36 - I mean, we have a long scene together,
08:39 and she was great, yeah.
08:40 - Well, I had a short scene, but,
08:42 I mean, she's just so, she's just so dynamic,
08:48 and I mean, I haven't, you know,
08:51 I wasn't there for any of the action,
08:52 but given what I read in the script,
08:55 it's gonna be a hell of a film.
08:57 - Yeah, Keanu's in it, too.
08:58 - Yeah, yeah, so he'd done,
09:00 yeah, he'd done all his action with her,
09:02 and she was really up for it, yeah.
09:04 - Yeah, it's good to see it.
09:05 - The director on that series, Len Wiseman.
09:07 Len was a director I worked for when I was just a stunt guy,
09:09 when they were doing "The Underworlds"
09:10 and "Die Hard 4," I think it was.
09:13 So visually, I think Len is,
09:15 that's why we selected him, and then we kind of,
09:18 one thing I wanted to be very clear of
09:19 is I wanted to be kind of hands-free
09:22 of anything to do with it, 'cause I,
09:23 and that, I just wanted,
09:26 I think the best way for a property to expand
09:28 is to kind of bring in some ideas.
09:30 I think Len was great wanting to understand themes
09:34 and looks and how we do the process of "Jungle,"
09:37 'cause it is a little anti-systematic, I guess,
09:40 or anti-illogical, probably, illogical.
09:43 And then Len kind of took that and kind of rolled it off.
09:46 But then when, you know, I've gotten to meet Anna a few times
09:49 and Keanu obviously had known her from other projects,
09:52 and she shares a lot of the same attributes that Keanu does,
09:55 like she's got that, "I'm going to make this mine
09:58 and do something cool with it."
10:00 And Len is, I think, the perfect director
10:01 to let somebody expand that way.
10:03 So I would say that's probably the most important thing
10:06 is she gets it, but in her way,
10:09 and I think that's what a franchise needs to expand.
10:12 - We are now at a point in this franchise
10:14 we are seeing multiple kind of spin-offs developing.
10:16 I'm curious if that's something
10:17 that you'd be interested in exploring.
10:19 - I wouldn't have a problem with that.
10:21 - Yeah. [laughing]
10:23 - I mean, certainly if that was on the table,
10:26 I would be very excited about it.
10:28 I read a script a long time ago
10:30 of a movie that Keanu wound up doing
10:34 that they wanted me to do a part in.
10:36 And I opened the pages and I read it.
10:38 I read the first two pages of it.
10:40 And I had this premonition that I would work with him.
10:43 It just wasn't going to be that movie.
10:45 And it turned out that that was true.
10:46 And then like, I don't know, maybe five or six years later,
10:50 we wound up doing "The Matrix" together.
10:52 So, you know, I'm grateful
10:56 and I'm really excited about this one
10:59 'cause this one I think is the best one
11:01 of the Wicks franchises.
11:04 And whatever, you know, whatever the gods have for us,
11:08 the cinema gods have for us out there, I'm just, I'm waiting.
11:11 - You and Donnie Yen, like,
11:13 that's just two legends right there on screen.
11:15 Tell me just about the process of building that scene
11:18 and working with Donnie Yen.
11:20 - It was so fun.
11:21 We had no rehearsal before shooting together,
11:26 but on set we put the idea together,
11:31 matching for each character's emotion
11:34 and choreograph everything.
11:36 So he said, "How about this?
11:39 "Oh, if you do, I can do this."
11:42 And then boom, boom, boom, boom.
11:43 "Okay, shoot."
11:45 And then one take, two takes, done.
11:47 And then high five.
11:50 So collaboration was so easy and exciting and so much fun.
11:55 - At the end of the last movie,
11:56 there's a bit of ambiguity regarding whether or not
11:59 Winston shoots John Wick because he knows
12:01 that he'll survive falling off that roof
12:03 or whether he does it out of pure self-interest.
12:06 And I'm curious just your perspective on that matter.
12:08 - Well, I'm gonna just say,
12:10 of course he knew he was wearing a bulletproof vest.
12:13 He said, "Winston's an expert marksman."
12:15 And knew that he would survive, bounce off a car
12:18 55 stories down and survive some months
12:20 and be taken care of by the Bowery King.
12:22 There was no way in self-interest whatsoever.
12:25 - It's the bouncing on the way down
12:29 and the landing that I had to question about.
12:31 - We knew each other together, man.
12:35 - Well, I was gonna say,
12:36 Sharon fully accepts what he does.
12:37 - So when you say accepts, I mean, it's done.
12:42 I mean, there's nothing to do about it.
12:44 And he's Winston, he's like, "I'm his guy."
12:46 But I mean, that moment I'm left with kinda,
12:50 "Fuck, really? Shit."
12:54 And then, I don't know, that'll probably be edited out.
12:56 But yeah, that was what I was thinking as a character.
12:58 - I'm a big fan of your Constantine
13:01 and the fact that you're gonna be making a sequel
13:03 is very exciting.
13:04 - We're trying, I don't know if it's gonna happen.
13:06 - Well, I'm hoping that it does.
13:07 And just one question that I have is,
13:09 do you think that you might go blonde this time?
13:12 - I know I'm playing a different Constantine
13:15 than the comic, you know?
13:16 And I do get in a bit of trouble for that.
13:20 I know, but then I would be gray.
13:22 - Well, maybe he dyes it
13:23 and he thinks blonde's a good color.
13:24 - Yeah, I don't know if I look good as a blonde.
13:27 But I appreciate that and I do, yeah.
13:32 Hopefully I get to do it, but I don't know.
13:35 - Hey, DC's working on some interesting things.
13:37 They got "Elseworlds" going, so yeah.
13:39 - Yeah, yeah, hopefully we can play.
13:41 (intense music)
13:43 ♪ Yeah ♪
13:48 ♪ You got yourself a gun ♪
13:49 [BLANK_AUDIO]
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