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The White House is defending its decision to send cluster munitions to Ukraine. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan says Ukraine's plan to use of the weapons are far different that how Russia has been using them in the war.
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00:00 First, we have been looking at this for quite some time.
00:02 And what we have been weighing is this basic question
00:05 of civilian harm.
00:07 The challenge of cluster munitions, as you know,
00:09 is that even at low dud rates, there
00:11 are some unexploded ordnance that is left,
00:14 and that could potentially pose a risk to civilians
00:16 down the road.
00:17 So we did not immediately come out of the gate
00:20 and provide this.
00:21 But we had to balance that against the risk
00:23 to civilian harm if Ukraine did not have
00:25 sufficient artillery ammunition.
00:27 We are reaching a point in this conflict
00:29 because of the dramatically high expenditure
00:32 rates of artillery by Ukraine and by Russia,
00:36 where we need to build a bridge from where we are today
00:40 to when we have enough monthly production of unitary rounds
00:44 that unitary rounds alone will suffice to give Ukraine
00:47 what it needs.
00:48 So as a result, this is the moment
00:51 to begin the construction of that bridge
00:53 so that there isn't any period over the summer
00:56 or heading into this fall when Ukraine is short on artillery.
00:59 And being short on artillery, it is
01:01 vulnerable to Russian counterattacks
01:03 that could subjugate more Ukrainian civilians.
01:06 We consulted closely with allies in deciding to do this.
01:10 And some allies who are not signatories to the Oslo
01:14 Convention embraced it with open arms,
01:16 said this is absolutely the right thing to do.
01:18 Even allies who were signatories to the Oslo Convention,
01:22 while they cannot formally support something
01:25 that they've signed up to a convention against,
01:27 have indicated both privately and many of them publicly
01:31 over the course of today that they understand our decision
01:34 and fundamentally that they recognize
01:35 the difference between Russia using its cluster munitions
01:39 to attack Ukraine and Ukraine using cluster munitions
01:42 to defend itself, its citizens, and its sovereign territory.
01:45 So we feel that this will in no way
01:48 disrupt the very strong, firm unity
01:50 that we have heading into the NATO summit in Vilnius
01:52 next week.
01:53 Ukraine has provided written assurances
01:55 that it is going to use these in a very careful way that
01:58 is aimed at minimizing any risk to civilians.
02:01 And by the way, Ukraine, the democratically elected
02:05 government of Ukraine, has every incentive
02:08 to minimize risk to civilians because it's their citizens,
02:12 it's Ukrainians who they are trying to protect and defend.
02:16 It doesn't make it an easy decision.
02:18 And I'm not going to stand up here and say it is easy.
02:19 It's a difficult decision.
02:20 It's a decision we deferred.
02:22 It's a decision that required a real hard look
02:26 at the potential harm to civilians.
02:29 And when we put all of that together,
02:32 there was a unanimous recommendation
02:34 from the national security team.
02:35 And President Biden ultimately decided in consultation
02:38 with allies and partners and in consultation
02:40 with members of Congress to move forward on this step.
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