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Paul Dottino from WFAN breaks down the Commanders-Giants TNF tilt from the NY side. Who are some players that will be key for a Giants win? Will this matchup be different from the Week 5 matchup at Northwest Stadium?

Kevin Sheehan talks with Paul about the massive NFC East matchup on Thursday Night Football.

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00:00in the Meadowlands. Joining us right now is Paul Dottino. Paul's a reporter, covers the Giants for
00:07WFAN, by the way, the gold standard in sports talk radio for decades now, at Giants WFAN on X.
00:17So, Paul, 5-2-1, rather than just telling me, as Bill Parcells once said, you are what your record
00:25says you are. What are they really as a 5-2-1 football team? Well, I like that history lesson,
00:32first of all, because I remember when Coach Parcells actually told us that in the press
00:36room one day. I will tell you this. The Giants are an ascending team, even though they've had
00:43some devastating injuries and obviously will point right to Brian Burns and Jackson Dart.
00:48The truth of the matter is that John Harbaugh has really done a phenomenal job of turning this team
00:55around within one season. He's got them believing. He's got them confident. I think really where
01:01it started before Harbaugh was at the controls and started mixing his magic is that, to be frank,
01:08last year's team wasn't as bad as a miserable, you know, top 10 pick team usually is.
01:16Yeah. And Harbaugh kind of told everybody that when he said, look, that's the team I wanted
01:22to go to. Yes, they got the future franchise quarterback in Jackson Dart. That was a big
01:27deal. No question. No one's going to ignore that. But he also said, I see a lot of good
01:33pieces there. That's got a lot of talent on defense. They've got a lot of young, explosive
01:40players on offense. I think this team is something that I can work with. So I think it kind of
01:47started there. And then, of course, Harbaugh comes in and he weaves his magic. I mean, I'm
01:52going to ask you a question. I noticed that in looking at the injury report that came out
01:57late yesterday afternoon, the commanders did not practice Monday and had a walkthrough on
02:03Tuesday. And we know that teams always have a walkthrough before the day before kickoff.
02:07So that means they will not have had a real practice leading into this game. Well, Harbaugh
02:14had a walkthrough on Monday, obviously, you know, after Sunday's game, had a full practice
02:19yesterday and he's having another walkthrough today. Now, look, I think Washington is more
02:26desperate to win this game than the Giants. Why do you suppose they're not preparing a little
02:31more like normal as opposed to what apparently they're going to do? And I mean, I don't, I don't
02:38want to characterize this as like not doing due diligence versus maybe the team practicing a little
02:44more. Yeah. I look, I don't have a good answer for you. You know, like the Giants in spots,
02:50Washington's been for the second consecutive season, you know, a very banged up football team.
02:55The defense was on the field a ton on Sunday against the Rams. I think, you know, you, by the
03:02way, you said something, this is Washington season. Like if they don't win this game, the competitive
03:08portion of the season is over, you know, they're four games out. They've lost, lost the, you know,
03:14head to head with the Giants. And it's all about, you know, developing and trying to figure out,
03:19you know, who's going to be here and who isn't. If they lose tomorrow night, Dan Quinn officially is
03:25a lame duck head coach after tomorrow night. I wanted to go back and, you know, cause I've said
03:31about the division, the Giants are the one team that have a bit of an identity, you know, Dallas
03:38doesn't, you know, they're terrible on defense. We don't, you know, they want to throw the ball all
03:42over the field offensively. Washington clearly doesn't have an identity. Philadelphia is done for the
03:47season at this point. And they behaved like it leading into the trade deadline. But they do look
03:53like a team with an identity. And by the way, I remember those games last year that, you know,
03:58the, the, the blown lead at Denver and the chance to beat Detroit, like good teams during the year.
04:03And so the roster always was a good roster. The question was quarterback, no dart. And now it's
04:10McCaffrey and or Winston, who I think basically led the game winning drive Sunday at the link. So
04:16where are they from your standpoint, from sort of an overall feeling about where they are at
04:23quarterback with JJ McCarthy? Well, McCarthy has come in here and to be frank with you played above
04:31my expectations. I think if, if you've seen any of the stuff that he did in Minnesota,
04:36obviously they were disappointed. I mean, look, they traded him for a fifth round draft pick.
04:40Uh, and, and look again, he was injured for one year too. So, uh, we got to take all that
04:46into
04:46account, but I think most people would tell you he has outperformed expectations. Now, how much will
04:53that continue? I can't say that any of us really know. I mean, if it does continue, the Giants are
05:00going to be in great shape the rest of the season. If he's even 80% of what he has
05:04shown so far,
05:05they're still going to be in really good shape. You know, if he reworks back to the McCarthy that
05:11played with the Vikings, well, now they may have some potholes and detour signs as they try to,
05:17you know, get to the finish and potentially, you know, out nose Dallas for, for the NFC East.
05:24Um, I think the key for me with McCarthy is that if you don't make him be the guy to
05:31drive the
05:31train, you know, uh, in other words, there are quarterbacks in this league and you know exactly
05:36what I'm talking about, where they're going to pull three or four games out of their butt during
05:41the course of the season, because they're just so good. They're so talented. They can do so many
05:45spectacular things, no matter what is caving down on them. Those kinds of guys are the superstars.
05:51Those are the elites. We understand that McCarthy is not one of those guys. He's one of those guys
05:58who rides along with the rest of the wagon train. You know, if you will, I hate, I almost hate
06:04to use
06:04this, but game manager, uh, that I know a lot of people have a negative connotation to that phrase,
06:10but in reality, the giants go into every game with the thought that they want to win special teams.
06:16They want to, uh, win if they can on defense, even though they don't have a great rushing defense,
06:23they do believe that they can make enough of impact plays with their front and with their secondary,
06:29that they can win the edge on defense. And then on offense, if they're just even, that's okay,
06:35because that's going to be enough to win games. Uh, I will tell you this. They have been a team
06:41that growls and fights all the way through, no matter what the score, Washington found that out
06:47down there. Uh, we know that even when they lost to the game, the saints, the saints found that out
06:53the one game where the giants did, that just did not really play was the game against the Rams.
07:00And there was a lot of dark got hurt very early on the, on the opening drive. And so, and
07:07the Rams
07:08were coming in basically blood was dripping from their fangs after getting embarrassed in the
07:13opening game in Australia. And they were home and, you know, miles Garrett was coming in and it was
07:19like, Oh boy, you know, this, this was a, uh, uh, just a whole complex situation. The giants were
07:26running into and that dark gets hurt. And that just took everything out of their sails, but in
07:31every other game this year, you know, they have shown that they're going to fight you right down to
07:36the final minute. And that's maybe the identity that you're talking about. Hop on all sides of the
07:41ball. The giants are going to put forth a max effort until the game is over. Yeah. I mean, in,
07:48in
07:48watching them from afar, they're physical of both lines of scrimmage. They've got a battering Ram
07:53running back. We saw that in overtime, even though he, you know, kept, uh, Washington in
07:59it with the fumble, uh, late in overtime. Um, and, but, but just back to the quarterback for
08:05one second and I'll preface this with, for whatever reason, I've always had a soft spot
08:11for Jameis Winston. I've always felt like this guy is so gifted. Now he keeps both teams in the
08:19game at the same time, but in watching him come in yesterday or on Sunday in an eight
08:24to six game and drive them 75 yards, 14 plays, throw the go ahead touchdown pass.
08:32I just wondered like, would the giants be better off with Winston the rest of the way? Does
08:39anybody think that New York, or is just the allure of what you don't know with JJ McCarthy
08:45too overwhelming? Well, I'd say that's part of it, but a bigger percentage of the, uh,
08:53the opinion here is that with Jameis Winston, he has a tremendous amount of talent in his
09:00body, but the more that he plays, the more apt that those mistakes and bad things that
09:06happened to him and the team will show up. It's a, it's a law of diminishing returns, right?
09:12You, we always talk about baseball, how a platoon player can look really good, hit 300, hit for
09:18power, knock in runs. And now let's make him a full-time player. And then all of a sudden
09:23now he's hitting 230 and he's got wanting track power, right? That's what happens. Jameis Winston
09:30is part of the law of diminishing returns. You put them in spots. He can, he can, the talent
09:36will show because it's there, but the longer you play him, the more you're risking that those bad
09:42things are going to happen. So when you put that in combination with the law of the potential
09:48upside of McCarthy, you do understand, you know, why at this point, McCarthy is certainly the guy.
09:55And, and to be honest with you, um, both, both guys have the respect of their teammates. I mean,
10:02it's clear that, that McCarthy's been embraced by the Giants locker room, just like Winston was
10:08embraced by this locker room when he got here last season. So that's not an issue. This is not a
10:13matter of a divided locker room or, or guys would rather have one or the other. The fans clearly
10:18are looking for McCarthy, but I think in the locker room, they feel very comfortable with whoever's at
10:23the controls. And the fact that you saw what you saw in Philadelphia, it was seamless. That's the
10:29evidence that I could give you that these players don't care who's, who's snapping the ball.
10:35Paul Dettino from WFAN in New York joining the show. How good has Arvel Reese been through seven
10:43games, eight games? Well, I will say this. Um, it's, it's pretty easy for people at this point to say
10:53he's got to be the favorite for defensive rookie of the year. Now, you know, how high do you want
10:58to
10:58elevate him? There's still a half a season ago. I'm sure you guys down there have to be thrilled
11:03with Sonny styles. He's had a terrific start too, but we all know, right? Rookies tend to hit the
11:09wall around that 12th game. So let's see how Arvel Reese does the rest of the way. But to this
11:15point,
11:15I'd say he's certainly the leader going into the clubhouse. Uh, he has been an absolute pleasure
11:22to watch. Uh, it's incredible how smart and instinctive he is. Uh, he is a very short tackler.
11:30He's got tremendous athleticism, but the thing about him is his mentality. And, and Peter Schrager,
11:37uh, from, from, uh, ESPN and NFL network was at training camp, uh, earlier, you know, in the summer.
11:43And I had been trying to give a, an easier way to describe Arvel Reese than just going on and
11:50on
11:50about him. And Peter goes, I know it is. He's a Robo cop. That's what he is. He's a Robo
11:56cop on the
11:57field. And it's true. That is the best way to describe him because he is like a minister of
12:04destruction. He is, he is very methodical. He shows no emotion. He just goes out there and destroys
12:11people and, and breaks up offenses. And he does it with such calm and cool assassin-like behavior
12:18that he's, he's robotic. It's scary. And I, I know his teammates appreciate the heck out of him.
12:26And as a fan or as a football lover, you have to just enjoy watching them too.
12:32Yeah. I think one of the things in, you got to help me with this, but like Sonny styles,
12:36he was supposed to be primarily an off ball linebacker, you know, playing more inside,
12:42but I saw the sack from Sunday against, um, against Milton. He's lined up as an edge pass
12:48rusher a bunch as well, right? Yeah. They'll, they'll use him all over the place. You know,
12:55going out of the draft or coming out of the draft, uh, everybody was saying, Oh, he's got to be
13:00an
13:00edge guy. He's got to be an edge guy. And the giants said all along, no, no, no, no, we're
13:05going
13:05to, we're using him. They drafted him. They said, we're going to use him as an inside linebacker.
13:10And then what we're going to do is move him around. And we're going to give him a lot of
13:14opportunities to play a lot of different roles in this defense. And that's what he's done.
13:19There are times he's right up on the line of scrimmage and, and he's playing edge times where he's
13:24dropping out and in a zone blitz and he's covering guys other times where he's just playing regular
13:29inside linebacker off ball. And he's worried about filling gaps and playing downhill. Other
13:34times he's teaching guys sideline to sideline. Look, I, I, I almost hate to do this to a kid
13:41who's only been around for half a season, but my goodness, a lot of what he does reminds me of
13:48Carl Banks at his prime. Right. Well, that's that I was, I, I started to think you're not going
13:55into the area. No, I'm not going to 56. There's only one of those. All right. There's only one of
14:00those. Yeah. But, but, but I'm seeing, I'm seeing a lot of Carl Banks in him, which by the way
14:06is a pretty high standard as well. Yeah. That's a pretty, it's a pretty good comp. Um, yeah,
14:12that, that is interesting. How close were they to either Simmons or Taylor prior to yesterday's
14:20trade deadline? Oh, I don't think they were ever very close. It was always my opinion that the
14:26giants, um, because of the cushion that they have in the division and because of the fact that they
14:32had already traded their fourth and fifth round picks from the 27 draft and the deals, uh, to get
14:38Malachi fields in this draft. And then obviously JJ McCarthy, once a Minnesota decided to part with
14:45them, uh, they knew that they didn't have a lot of draft capital to give this April. So they were
14:52going to have to maybe dip into their 20, 28 draft. Anyway, when you combine that, all right, the lack
14:59of draft capital, which by the way, Joe Shane and John Harbaugh are very, very, very protective of
15:05draft capital. Uh, you combine that with the fact that they have a lead in the division. It was always
15:11my opinion that the giants were going to be shopping for a Chevy, not for Mercedes Benz. And I don't
15:19mean
15:19to disparage the Chevrolet motor vehicle company. I don't, but you know, if, if they could have gotten,
15:26and this is why I believe they made inquiries for those other players. If you believe that a team
15:32that is out of it, it's going to start selling guys at a discount price off the, the sale rack,
15:38and they're going to sell you a Mercedes for a Chevy. Well, you better do your due diligence.
15:42You better investigate it. And if you can get that Mercedes for a Chevy, you darn well better go do
15:47it. But I don't think the giants ever had any plans to pay Mercedes Benz prices or Cadillac prices
15:55for anybody that they were interested in. They were looking to get a bargain basic deal because they
16:02understand number one, they didn't have a lot of draft capital extra to be thrown around. And they
16:08also have somewhat of a cushion in the division. So in my opinion, I've, I personally believe that
16:15nothing probably ever got close. Give me a player through these eight games that the rest of the
16:20league doesn't know has played really well that you guys know, uh, has played really well and has
16:27made a major impact. Well, I think in all honesty, uh, I, Tate Banks has been absolutely sensational.
16:37He has played like the first round pick. He should have been, uh, when the giants grabbed him out of
16:42Maryland, you know, four years ago, uh, was really good as a rookie, uh, tremendous amount of flashes.
16:49And then in his next two seasons, it just didn't work. Um, unfortunately, Shane Bowen was the new
16:56defensive coordinator and he and Banks did not see eye to eye, uh, did not agree with the scheme they
17:03were playing. It didn't suit his skillset. Uh, Banks being a young fellow, very, very much a guy who
17:09likes to have fun playing football. I think it impacted him psychologically. And I think part of
17:15it was his fault that he didn't like the situation. And so I don't think he was at his best.
17:20I know
17:20the scheme did not make him at his best. And now Denard Wilson comes in this year and he's playing
17:27a ton of press man coverage and they're sending a bunch of blitzers and they're allowing banks to
17:33play free and physical and nasty and, and getting into guys, you know, trying to run routes. And this
17:41is exactly what Tate Banks should have done when he got here. Uh, he did a lot of that, that
17:46first
17:46season and then they got away from it. Well, they're back to it and he's playing like a CB one
17:51right now. He has been terrific, absolutely terrific. And so I'll give you him on, on defense
17:59and then on offense, I'll just, I'm going to throw this one out there to you only because only because
18:05I don't think, uh, uh, a lot of people in Baltimore were that upset when likely left because they had
18:10Mark Andrews, but likely was a tight end too. And the Giants, obviously, when they got him in free
18:15agency, they paid them as a tight end one. And I think you've already seen the results this year.
18:20He's, he's become a tight end one. And if people haven't paid attention to the stats or haven't
18:25paid attention to the Giants, maybe they don't realize that, but likely has been an absolute force
18:31and proven that he's among the best tight ends in the league. Tell me right now about the excitement
18:37level. You know, we had that season two seasons ago, which, you know, was the first, you know,
18:42true contending season in over 30 years. It hasn't been that long, uh, for Giants fans, but I know that
18:49fan base as an NFC East brother, tell me how fired up the fan base is. Are they back? Are
18:55they excited
18:55about this football team? Very much so, even though they understand that the division is, is really
19:03downtrodden right now. And that certainly has allowed the Giants to, to build up this cushion.
19:07I don't think anybody is foolish enough to ignore that. I mean, it's certainly part of the equation.
19:12How, how could you possibly, you know, from your nose at it, it's, it's there. Um, I do think as
19:18it stands, and I think the fans are starting to realize this nine wins for sure. I can't see how
19:25nine wins would not win the East. Nine, seven, and one wins. I think 8-8-1 could do it.
19:31I do too.
19:31I think 8-8-1 could win the division. You may not even have to win nine games. Right. So,
19:36I mean,
19:36think about this. If the Giants just basically baked the Eagles last week, I think we all know
19:42that they're now cooked. Uh, they got the chance to bake the commanders tomorrow, and then it becomes
19:48a two-team race, and Dallas doesn't even have a defense. So, I have to believe if the Giants get
19:54their sixth win tomorrow, the fans are going to realize that, holy smokes, you know, you only need
20:00two more wins. All right, maybe three, but probably two the rest of the way, and we're going to win
20:05this division. I think that's really going to pick up steam, even though the schedule gets really
20:10tough. I mean, they've got some nasty games, you know, Jacksonville and San Francisco and Seattle,
20:16but again, they got to play Dallas again. They got to play Philadelphia again. They got to play the Colts,
20:21another team that has just mortgaged out their roster. So, it shouldn't be hard for the Giants
20:27to do this, barring a complete collapse. There's no reason why they won't win the division. So,
20:34yeah, I think that they're starting to pick up some steam here, but, you know, tomorrow,
20:39they were looking to have a whiteout at the game on Thursday night football, asking everybody to wear
20:45white in the stadium like they do out at Penn State, and the bad news, now they're talking 95%
20:50of this heavy Nor'easter that's coming up Route 95. It's going to be horrible, horrible weather,
20:57winds kicking of about 20 miles an hour, much worse than when the Giants came down to play the
21:01Commanders last month. This is going to be nasty, and I feel bad because I think it's going to impact
21:07the atmosphere of the stadium and of the game, and I hope it doesn't impact the game. I mean,
21:13heck, you remember, besides, and I know some Commanders fans believe that they squandered that game.
21:18Look, that game never should have got there. Between Scadaboo's fumble and Zavada's three missed
21:23field goals, the Commanders never should have been in position to even be into overtime. They should
21:28have been already gone, lost.
21:31Well, we kind of feel like with a two-touchdown lead that somehow, you know, we shouldn't have been
21:39torched by Jameis Winston over the final quarter. There was that, too, so that's another way to look at it.
21:45But yeah, look, I mean, bad weather in November in the NFC East is not unusual, and we're going to
21:53see it tomorrow night. I'll leave you with this and just give you a chance to tell me,
22:00from your perspective, who wins and why?
22:05Well, just look at the talent on the teams. I mean, I don't think there's much question that the Giants
22:11are a much better team than the Commanders. I think Washington's only chance is if Daniels does
22:17what he did a month ago. He's got to run for 100 yards and a couple of touchdowns.
22:21The Giants made a terrible mistake in that game. In addition to the missed field goals,
22:25they had three of them, and then, of course, the fumble in overtime by Scadaboo.
22:30In addition to all that, though, they made a bad mistake.
22:33They actually took some of the teeth out of Arvel Reese in that game and asked him to do some
22:38spying
22:38on Daniels. That's the one thing you don't want to do to Arvel Reese, and I think the Giants know
22:44that, and they realize the mistake that they made, and they're going to get back to having him play
22:50downhill, which is what he has done since that game and has wrecked people. So instead of taking some of
22:57the teeth out of Arvel Reese, if they decide they want to spy Daniels because he did run roughshod all
23:03over that defense, I think if they do that, they'll put a safety in that spy role instead.
23:09Let Arvel Reese be the game wrecker he is. Don't take some of the teeth out of his mouth by
23:15asking
23:16him to spy, and I think that's going to make a tremendous difference in the game because, again,
23:22Arvel Reese has become a one-man wrecking crew.
23:25Paul, thanks so much. Enjoyed it, as always. Enjoy tomorrow night. Not too much, but enjoy it
23:31as much as you can. Appreciate it. Be well, okay? Yeah, Paul Dettino, everybody, from WFAN
23:37in New York. Yeah, the weather is not going to be good for tomorrow night. We've got this storm.
23:41We're going to get it earlier on Thursday. They're going to be right in the teeth of it based on
23:48the
23:48way the storm's tracking right now, where it starts kind of mid to late afternoon, and then
23:53we could see heavy rain in East Rutherford and some wind throughout the game.

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