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Trae Young is getting paid fifty million a year to make his own team worse when he plays. Did Washington just buy the NBA’s most expensive disaster?

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00:00But we want to talk a little about Wizards, in particular, how we're feeling about Trey Young, 11 games into
00:07this season, he got a huge four-year contract.
00:12Big. $40 million a year, right?
00:14Over $50 million a year.
00:15Oh, it's over $50 million. All right. That's crazy.
00:17Yeah, it's a lot of dough.
00:18And so far, Trey Young on the year is averaging 18.4 points per game. He's averaging 8.9 assists
00:26per game to go along with 3.4 turnovers.
00:30But what's really jumping out is he's shooting 39.8% from the field and 28.6% from the
00:38three-point line.
00:39And then if you want to go into kind of nerdy stats, there's a stat called offensive rating.
00:46The team's offensive rating jumps 10 points when he is off the floor.
00:53Is that the highest rating of the players?
00:56I didn't check the whole league.
00:58You've got to just know that right now, their offensive number, they do things like over 100 possessions.
01:04They are 10 points better when he is off the court.
01:09Hmm.
01:09Yeah, I don't know.
01:10Well, he's not a great defensive player. We've known that.
01:12And if he's not shooting the ball great, he's shooting 39% from the floor and 29% from threes.
01:16He's turning the ball over three and a half times a game.
01:18I mean, with those numbers now, you can kind of see that.
01:21He had a rough, I thought, a rough two-game stretch against Atlanta.
01:24He was trying to do too much.
01:25He had 16 assists, but he had, I think, 14 or 13 turnovers.
01:29You know, he scored a little bit.
01:30Shot okay.
01:32But I think, yeah, he got a little sloppy with the ball in those two games.
01:35I don't know.
01:36I still like him.
01:37I like him to shoot a little better.
01:38I think he will.
01:39He's a top 50 scorer, and he's second in the league in assists.
01:42And that's with him struggling from three-point land.
01:45So is he worth the $50-plus million you're paying him?
01:49Probably not.
01:50Is it an overpay?
01:51Yes.
01:52But we knew that.
01:53Yeah.
01:53But is he still a really good, effective point guard in the league?
01:57I think the answer is yes.
01:58Well, based on those metrics, I mean, if he's minus 10.
02:00Well, if he's metric, it's probably highlighted a defensive shortcoming.
02:05But the whole team is struggling on defense.
02:07And the turnover.
02:07We knew he was a defensive liability the second he arrived here.
02:11That's just a lot of money.
02:12It's not a surprise to anybody that, oh, Trey Young.
02:15A Bulletin can't play defense.
02:17That's been known forever.
02:19Yeah.
02:20Yeah, but I think it's a bad deal.
02:23Never should have given him the money.
02:25To me, he's not a winning player in the league anymore.
02:29I think there are some people that point out the fact that he's number one in the NBA with
02:33the ball in his hands.
02:35I think he has the ball in his hands nine minutes.
02:37There are a lot of guys who are ball dominant, but he's got the ball in his hands more than
02:40Luka Doncic, for example.
02:42He's got the ball in his hands more than Jalen Brunson.
02:45And he's not nearly as good as those guys.
02:47Yeah, but he's distributing the ball, guys.
02:49Yeah, but he's passing the ball to his teammates.
02:51Yeah, but he's getting them involved.
02:52Okay, so tell me why, then, his on-off rate is minus 5.5.
02:58I can't tell you.
02:59I can't speak to that.
03:00I can speak to him.
03:01Here's my point.
03:02Second of the league in assists and getting the younger players on his roster involved.
03:06I would say it's defense.
03:07They're taking advantage of him defensively.
03:10No, but you're giving raw numbers.
03:12Here's my point.
03:13I was talking to Jorab about this during one of the breaks.
03:16So, his raw numbers are better than Fred Van Vliet.
03:20Okay?
03:21Fred Van Vliet is the point guard on the Houston Rockets.
03:25He's averaging 13 points and only 5.6 assists.
03:30But, I would theorize, and there's no way to know, that they would be better off with Fred Van Vliet
03:36in the backcourt than Trey Young.
03:40Well, maybe he wasn't available.
03:41I understand that.
03:43But, I think it was a bad move.
03:45Okay.
03:46I think you're going to be stuck to his contract.
03:49Yeah.
03:50And the Atlanta Hawks, it's one team, but the Atlanta Hawks decided they were better off without Trey Young.
03:55Trey Young was putting up those numbers there, and they decided we're better off.
04:00The Dallas Mavericks decided they were better off without Luka.
04:03Now, they've got a great guy in Cooper, but I'm not necessarily sure they're better off.
04:07I mean, teams do that.
04:08So, that logic, you could take it to the dumpster.
04:12That logic means nothing to me.
04:14Not really.
04:14Not really if it's bearing out here, too.
04:17I mean, all the great players.
04:19Do you think it's a good move?
04:21Trey Young is an...
04:22I like Trey Young.
04:23Trey Young, I'd like to see him shoot better, and I'd like to see him cut down on his turnovers,
04:26and I'd like to see the team play better defense.
04:29So, that's my answer.
04:30I don't think it was a good move to extend him $200 million.
04:33No.
04:33Because that's untradeable.
04:34I don't think it's untradeable.
04:36Every contract we've ever had that we said is untradeable, we've traded.
04:38I don't know.
04:39Maybe in the last year.
04:40I don't think...
04:40We always find a way to get rid of untradeable times.
04:43Who's going to trade?
04:43Bradley Beal was untradeable, and Will Dotton's move.
04:46Who's going to trade for $150 million if you wanted to trade him next year for Trey Young?
04:51I don't know.
04:51You may not be able to trade him next year, but everything eventually is tradable.
04:54Here's Kevin O'Connor, Yahoo Sports NBA insider on Trey Young.
04:59I have not enjoyed the playmaking.
05:01Why does Trey Young have to possess the ball for nine minutes per game?
05:04Can we get past this?
05:06Can Trey just finally accept shooting off the catch?
05:11Can he finally just say,
05:13I'm a better shooter off the catch than I am off the dribble?
05:15Well, I'm sick of it.
05:17I mean, if you're not scoring, he goes one for six in a 30-point loss against OKC on Saturday
05:25night.
05:25His prime season, the 21-22 season, he took 22% of his shots at the rim.
05:31That's down below 15% this year.
05:33And so he's getting to the rim even less.
05:36The floaters aren't following as much.
05:39His three-pointer off the dribble is not as efficient in recent years or in this year.
05:43You're stuck with Trey.
05:44You're stuck with this after giving him that money.
05:46And that really hurts your rebuild if he doesn't turn things around here.
05:50Ooh-wee.
05:53Look, it was a risk by Will Dawkins.
05:56But how many games are we in at this point?
05:5811.
05:59Okay.
06:00You're 11 games in.
06:01If he's still doing the same things and 40, 50 games in,
06:05and his shooting numbers haven't ticked up,
06:08then you might have a problem.
06:11If he continues to shoot like this, I would say,
06:13then maybe it's bad.
06:14But I think he'll shoot better.
06:15I'd like to see him cut down on his turnovers a little bit.
06:18I bet you play him less.
06:19He is leading.
06:20Eventually, you phase him out.
06:21I've been saying it.
06:24Look, I can see a future where you've got no Trey Young and Anthony Davis.
06:28All right?
06:30Keyshawn George and A.J. DeBonce are the best players on this team.
06:33Anthony Davis is the best player right now, by far.
06:36But the next two are A.J. and Keyshawn.
06:41So, you've got to play him.
06:42He's going to score.
06:44He'll probably have a 40-point night at some point this season.
06:47Maybe even a 50-point.
06:49Because he can get hot.
06:50He can score.
06:51They're playing A.J.
06:52He's not a winning player.
06:54So, you want to play him less than.
06:56He's leading the team in minutes.
06:57You want to play him five minutes less.
06:59And they actually talked about it before.
07:00And I remember having Will Dawkins on the show before the season.
07:03And they talked about.
07:04They didn't talk about him playing less.
07:05They talked about other guys bringing a ball up.
07:07They talked about exactly.
07:09Yeah.
07:09Getting the ball out of his hands.
07:11But he is number one in the NBA, at least last I checked,
07:14with the ball in his hands.
07:16Again, more than Jalen Brunson and Luka Doncic,
07:19who have the ball in their hands all the time.
07:21Well, I'm sure that they look at this.
07:23Yeah, they look at it.
07:24They look at all those numbers.
07:25And they're probably trying to adjust it.
07:27And change things.
07:28And practice.
07:29And he's due to shoot better.
07:30Like, he shouldn't be shooting.
07:31Tonight is.
07:32I mean, they played seven tonight.
07:33They could play the Pacers tonight.
07:35Even though we're only 12 games into the season,
07:37this is a big game.
07:38Because you don't want to lose five straight.
07:40Especially to a 3-18.
07:41This is a big one tonight.
07:42The problem is, they kind of.
07:44To me, the Trey Young deal.
07:45They rolled the dice on it.
07:47Much like the Anthony Davis deal.
07:49I feel like this is complete speculation.
07:52That Ted Leonsis got impatient with nobody on the game.
07:56He's like, let's make some moves.
07:57He wanted to put people in the seats.
07:58I totally agree with that.
07:58And they got some establishment.
08:00It's total speculation.
08:01There's no way that we'll know.
08:02And there's no way that anybody will ever confirm it.
08:05But it just didn't feel like a Will Dawkins move.
08:08Because they had been so methodical.
08:10And then all of a sudden, they make these moves.
08:12Which will get you some more wins.
08:15But he's not.
08:16By statistics, he's not a winning player at this point.
08:19If you're better off when he's off the court than on.
08:23Minus 5.5.
08:24And your offensive rating is 10 points higher when he's off the floor.
08:28I don't know.
08:29I don't know what to make of that.
08:30I mean, I know in hockey, Olvey's had a negative plus minus for a lot of his career.
08:36I think.
08:38It hasn't been an overwhelming plus minus.
08:40Like in hockey, I know, for example.
08:42Well, I know this.
08:43In basketball, over time, it's a pretty good indicator of who's good on good teams.
08:52Like I believe that if the double check, like your number one guy in plus minus and like the difference
08:57of on court and off court is Luka Doncic.
09:00Team's 10-2.
09:01Best record in the NBA.
09:04Like you're generally not going to have a great.
09:06Anthony Davis had a 44-point game the other night and was a minus 10.
09:10Yeah.
09:11So you think he should have not played that day?
09:13No, I'm just saying.
09:14I think it's defensively.
09:15The team is struggling defensively.
09:17As a team.
09:18I think that's what's killing it.
09:19As a team.
09:19Yes.
09:20I totally agree.
09:21I'm just kind of breaking down the stat.
09:22Yeah.
09:23But that doesn't make sense because, you know, you can score on one end, but if you're not playing D
09:28on the other end, especially if you're giving up threes versus your twos, that's a big loser.
09:33I know.
09:33I haven't watched the game.
09:35I haven't felt the need to think, I wish A.J. had the ball more.
09:41Kind of watching it unfold.
09:44A.J.'s getting plenty of shots.
09:46I'm sure he'll get more.
09:47How many shots?
09:50I've not sat there and gone, oh, I wish Anthony didn't take that shot.
09:55I wish A.J. took that shot.
09:56I wish A.J. got to touch it that time down.
10:00I haven't really felt that.
10:03Sometimes Trey takes these one-footed three-pointers from midcourt that I wish he wouldn't take, but that's Trey Young.
10:09That's the Trey Young experience.
10:11Look, it may not seem like a big difference, but in my opinion, A.J. DeBonsa should be getting the
10:16Cooper Flagg treatment, where Cooper Flagg quickly became the number one guy with the Dallas Mavericks.
10:23And you look at it, it's not a great difference, but last year, Cooper Flagg was taking 17 shots a
10:28game.
10:28I think A.J.'s right around 14.
10:30All right, that could increase.
10:31Just getting a little more work.
10:33Well, he's been on a minute restriction.
10:35It's going to be hard when you have Davis.
10:36I think it'll pick up as the season progresses.
10:38Because what's Davis taking, 23?
10:40No, he's right around 19 or 20.
10:4220 or 20?
10:42All right, so he's going to get 20 shots, 20 to 25 shots.
10:46That's a lot of shots.
10:48So Cooper Flagg was taking shots because he didn't have Davis on the team.
10:52And Trey Young's going to have the ball in his hands a lot.
10:55In his last three games, DeBonsa's attempted 13, 15, and 17 shots.
11:00I like the 17.
11:02I think that'll happen.
11:03That'll go up.
11:04In his last five, his lowest number of attempts is 12.
11:07Yeah.
11:08He's getting some ample opportunities, but it can always go higher.
11:13As long as Trey and Anthony Davis are wizards, JP's going to be negative about him.
11:19Until they're dealt.
11:20Yeah.
11:20It is what it is.
11:22Well, is it an irrational opinion?
11:24I'm not saying it's irrational, but it's just going to be hammered into our brains until he's no longer a
11:29wizard.
11:29I've accepted that.
11:31The problem is...
11:32Anthony Davis is a great, great player.
11:34You didn't want him.
11:35He's a great player, but I think he may be hampering the development of the young stars.
11:40You don't want either of those guys.
11:42Until they're dealt, we're going to have to do this segment.
11:44They're going to flip him for another player and or draft capital or both at some point.
11:48But Trey Young, it's starting to look like, could be a negative on the court.
11:54It's still early, but when those offensive efficiency numbers are where they are and when the plus-minus numbers are
12:01where they are and when the on-off numbers are where they are...
12:04Do you have Trey's career, whatever, the plus-minus number that you're quoting where he's minus five?
12:09Do you have it throughout his career?
12:10I don't have it.
12:11How different is it than throughout his entire Hawks tenure?
12:14How much worse is it getting?
12:17I don't know.
12:18It is 11 games in.
12:20I'm curious.
12:22But it can't be great when you're shooting 39% and you're shooting 28% in the field.
12:27Don't you think he'll shoot better?
12:28I think he will.
12:29Yeah, but I do think when Justin Termini from the NBA channel on SiriusXM came on and from NBA TV
12:36said he's a below-average three-point shooter, I think that that's accurate.
12:39I think it's true.
12:41I think he could shoot 32%, 33%.
12:43I don't think he's going to shoot 38%.
12:47I think a realistic expectation for Trey is probably 32%, 33%.
12:52He's a career 35% three-point shooter.
12:55Yeah, so maybe even higher.
12:56Maybe I'm on low ball.
12:57Maybe even higher.
12:58But I think right now he's shooting like 28% or something, right?
13:01Yeah, it's brutal right now.
13:03Round it up to 29%.
13:04There are a lot of guys who are brutal.
13:05I mean, Trey Johnson's three-point percentage is brutal.
13:07He's the best shooter on a team.
13:10I mean, Bilal, I think he's shooting 16%.
13:12I mean, the shooting percentages are unreal how bad they are.
13:16Next to last in the league in three-point.

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