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00:13Hello and welcome to Gangs All Here. My name is Ryan Sampson, but he's the star of the show,
00:16Brian Costello. And after coming off a 23-12 loss, the New York Jets are now 1-3 to start
00:23the season, where there's a lot to discuss here, but I'll start with Kaz. Good morning. How's it
00:29going on a Monday morning after that trip to Chicago? Boy, Brian, 6 a.m. flight this morning.
00:36Dragging a little bit. You get after it early, man. I respect it. And you don't do it with any
00:42caffeine or coffee too, which is crazy to me. I don't know how you do that on a day-to
00:46-day basis.
00:47It's crazy. I got my dunk in here. We're not sponsored by them, but I need my coffee in the
00:52morning, especially after... We should be. We should be, right? Because we need it after
00:56watching that debacle yesterday. What I'm going to ask you... Yeah, it wasn't pretty. No, it wasn't.
01:01So, look, I'm sure you've seen all of the numbers, all of the things that are coming out of that,
01:07the historical context in which the Jets lost that game. There is not really much positive to talk
01:13about about this game, Kaz, but just from your point of view and what you saw yesterday,
01:18how did you view that? Well, I thought it was a big step backwards for them, right? I feel like,
01:26you know, they'd been making progress even. I know we had the big moral victory debate last week or
01:31whatever, and that was fair, but it was because they played pretty well against Detroit. And you
01:37can say, well, they lost, and I understand that. But there was positives to take out of that game.
01:42Like you said, there's really nothing to take positive out of this. Aaron Glenn tried this
01:46morning with some stuff, but, you know, I think it's a step backwards. The question now, Ryan, is
01:52was this a blip? You know, was this a little speed bump that they hit yesterday against
01:57maybe a really good team? I don't... Well, like, again, it's early in the season where you don't
02:01know, are we going to be talking about the Bears as a Super Bowl team? They got them with a
02:06backup
02:06quarterback, and it didn't matter. Was this a blip on the radar, or is this who the 2026 Jets are?
02:14And, you know, we were talking last week when you guys were asking me if this was a must win,
02:19and I said no, because I think they could win three of the next four games, and now they have
02:25to do that.
02:27So, it's sort of like we're going to find out, I think, in the next month, Ryan, who these Jets
02:33are,
02:34and they've shown some different sides here in the first four weeks.
02:38They really have, and step back, I think, is a great way to say it. I think the most concerning
02:43part, too, about it all is it felt very 2025 yesterday in terms of the offense and defense,
02:51where they just weren't competitive, and the score was not reflective of what that game
02:56ultimately was yesterday. No, not at all. And I actually thought Ben Johnson even took his foot
03:01off the gas a little bit when he did settle for field goals and multiple points, but I will say
03:05this, too. For Aaron Glenn and this defense, for how much they invested in the defensive line,
03:13the edge position, the middle of that defense with the linebacking group and the defensive tackle group,
03:19that's a lot of resources, Kaz, and they got run over by Chicago with a backup quarterback,
03:24a backup left tackle, a fifth and seventh round pick, I believe, at running back, or a seventh
03:29round pick at running back with Kyle Manon guy, but they legitimately got steamrolled by a lot of
03:36backup players over there, and it showed you what scheming and coaching matters and why you need that
03:44in today's NFL. And I just, I don't want to panic, but I think there's also a realization of
03:51when is this superpower and the resources that you invest in the defense going to show up?
03:58Yeah, I think that's fair, right? And I remember, you know, when we did the preview show, right?
04:02It was like, how would you attack them? And I was like, just load up to stop the run
04:06and say, if Tyson Bajan can beat me, he beats me. And you live with, you live with that. If
04:11you give
04:12up a 50-yard pass to Tyson Bajan, so be it, you know? But like, I would not let them
04:18beat me
04:18the run, and the Bears just ran all over them. And, you know, it was just, the defensive line
04:26is troubling right now, because we view that as a strength, and it's not, they're getting run over,
04:33there's been little to no pass rush, they're only really getting to the quarterback when they blitz.
04:39They have no interior pass rush whatsoever, which I think is affecting the guys on the outside.
04:44They really miss Quentin Williams. I know everybody liked to dog Quentin Williams, and
04:50everyone was clapping when he was traded, but he pushed the pocket, and that did things.
04:56They're not getting any push in the pocket right now. The guys are, you know, Bajan was just sitting
05:00back there a lot of the times. I know the focus is going to be on David Bailey, but what
05:05helps an
05:06edge rusher is when the quarterback has to move off his point and take a step up, and that's when
05:10sacks
05:11happen. And the Jets are just getting no push right now. And yeah, and look, the Bears are the
05:17number one rushing offense in the NFL. So you're not going to see this every week. You're not going
05:22to face Jameer Gibbs every week. But if you're sitting in Cleveland right now, and you're Todd
05:27Monken, and you're throwing on the film, you're like, okay, well, let's see what we can do here
05:30with Junkins. You know, let's try to run the ball a little bit more than we have. I think
05:34people are going to run on them until they prove that they can stop it.
05:39It's definitely was, it was a concern, like you said, that this defensive line is not
05:43generating much pass rush, especially from the interior. I'm also concerned that guys
05:47like Joseph Asai, who they gave $34 million in the offseason cause has not really made
05:53his impact whatsoever on this defense. I mean, they gave him real money to be an edge rusher
05:58and I'm not just singling him out either.
06:00Yeah. In fairness, he missed the first two games. So like, you know, he's only played two games
06:05and yeah, but it's, it's, it's a problem. He didn't have an impact yesterday either. Will
06:11McDonald didn't have an impact. You have all these guys. I think they missed Anambari. He's a, he was,
06:17he's a good edge shatter. They missed him yesterday. I think that kind of screwed things up.
06:23But I mean, when you're two leading tacklers or your safeties, right, that is not, not a good,
06:29that's another of all the stats that I saw yesterday. When I came across that one, I'm
06:33like, Oh God, that's, that's rough. That means that the tackles are being made in the third level.
06:40So it's, it's, they've, they got to fix it.
06:44They certainly do. I mean, Demario Davis, huge money. They gave Sherwood a contract extension.
06:50They brought in Harrison Phillips, Joseph Asai, Kingsley and Anambari, who didn't play yesterday.
06:54Will McDonald, first round pick David Bailey, first round pick Minka Fitzpatrick.
06:57They brought in, they tried Daryl Jackson, who had a really bad penalty yesterday.
07:02They tried to really address this defense and bring in guys that Aaron Glenn wanted,
07:07but this is two weeks in a row. Like to your point that they have been gashed up the middle
07:11with the run. And that is an ultimate concern moving forward about how this defense is supposed
07:17to get better. The thing I just mentioned there that I'm interested to hear your thoughts too.
07:21Once again, cause this is an undisciplined team. There is a ton of penalties. Three of them,
07:25three penalties. In fact, wiped out three interceptions for this Jets defense, which they,
07:31you did predict, by the way, they did get their first interception this week.
07:35Ultimately they did pick Bajan off four times, but three of them negated by penalties.
07:40It's another, what, 12 penalties yesterday, cause what, how can, how is Aaron Glenn
07:46fixing this or how can he fix this?
07:49Well, this is an age old conversation, right? Is it on the coach? Is it on the players?
07:56I tend to think penalties are on players, but Aaron Glenn put this on himself last summer when
08:00he basically, he kind of called Robert Sala out, right? He said that they led the penalties two
08:06years in a row and that wasn't going to happen anymore. I'm not sure where they are. I heard
08:08somebody say you were fourth, I think, or something like that in penalties, but it's bad. I, I will
08:14say one of those interceptions he threw because he had a free play. Uh, two of the penalties were
08:19delayed games that they took on purpose, but still 10 penalties is too many. And there was many dumb
08:26penalties on third down when they could have gotten off the field. It's bad right now, right? And I
08:31don't know how you fix penalties. I really don't. I mean, I've seen coaches try pushups and laps and all
08:38that kind of crap. And that doesn't really work at the NFL level. I know that works in peewee football.
08:43And we tend to think, you know, those of us whose careers ended in high school, we, we tend to
08:48think
08:48about those things. It doesn't really work in the NFL, but I'm not sure how you get the penalties
08:53to stop. Uh, but they're, they're a problem right now. I mean, they had a bunch against Green Bay and
08:58then a bunch yesterday and they're not good enough to overcome those types of things. That's the thing is
09:04the margin for error for the jets is so small that they can't overcome things like penalties.
09:08They can't overcome things like kick and field goals when they get turnover. They finally got
09:13two turnovers and they kicked field goals instead of touchdowns. And we saw that in Tennessee as well.
09:18They can't overcome things like crappy two minute offense at the end of the half and crappy two
09:22minute defense at the end of the half. And they did that yesterday and they're losing
09:28in situations, Ryan, and that reflects on the coach. And so I think, yeah, I think that's
09:34Aaron Glenn's biggest problem right now is, uh, they just don't look like a well-coached team.
09:42Thank you. Thank you for saying that. I, I, I appreciate you acknowledging that too.
09:47I let me, but let me clarify cause I know we're going to clip this or whatever. Right.
09:50Yeah. That does not mean you should be fired. Right. It does not mean that I, but this season
09:55is a referendum on Aaron Glenn. It's a 17 game referendum on Aaron Glenn. And I truly believe
10:00he deserves all 17 games and he can turn this around. He can show that the team is a well
10:06-coached
10:07team and they can, you know, if they improve and they go on a run this season, then maybe
10:12there's a case for him to come back. But that's what this season is. It's figuring out if Aaron
10:16Glenn's the guy and, you know, we always go back to Detroit. They were one in six in the
10:21second year. And then they won an eight of the last 10. I know you hate it, but they were
10:26one
10:26in six. So like, what do you think they were saying about Dan Campbell at one in five, one in
10:30three, one in four, right? What are they saying about Dan Campbell now without Ben Johnson?
10:37Yeah, that's true. Uh, but look, they went to a championship game. They've, they've had success
10:42there. Um, I think, you know, I just think Aaron Glenn deserves 17 games. I don't think,
10:47I know that conversation is going to start soon about whether they should make a move
10:51in season. I just, there's no point in doing that in the NFL. It doesn't work.
10:56I I'm not saying that the firing would get, make them better this year, by the way, I'm
11:00just telling you the evidence is piling up on this coach in terms of where he is at in
11:06his career. Cause he is right there at rich coat tight for the first 21 games of his career.
11:10He's four and 17. There's no debating that there's no, Hey, we're getting improvements
11:15here and there. We talked about on this show, this talent on this team is better than last
11:21year, but like you just, I also think, go ahead. No, I was going to say like you had
11:27just pointed out the situations that they are putting themselves in, whether it's untimely
11:32penalties, not capitalizing when you do get turnovers, not managing the end of the first
11:36half, all pointed out by you. That's on coaching. That's on scheme. That's on understanding
11:41how to manage the game. And I just, we're, we're, we're seeing the evidence pile up on
11:46this head coach where he cannot handle those things well, and it's resulting in more losses
11:51than wins.
11:53Yeah. And I don't think they inherited a total mess here either. Like, I just want to point
11:58that out. Like I, there was, there was talent on this roster, like that Joe Douglas acquired
12:05and you know, I go back when like Douglas took over and the roster was barren other
12:10than Sam Darnold and Quinn and Williams at that point and CJ Mosley, you know, in Sal's
12:17first year, they were playing five rookies on defense or whatever that was. Like there
12:23were, there've been times when the coaches come in and there's been nothing. I don't feel
12:26like Glenn inherited a team like that. I think they had talent. They had sauce, they had
12:30Quinton, Garrett, Brees, you know, so it's, yeah, it's, it's the, you're right. The evidence
12:39is not good against him right now. Right now, if you're rendering a verdict, it's not going
12:42to go Aaron Glenn's way, but I do think he gets, what is it? 13 more games to, to, to
12:49see if he can right the ship.
12:50Yeah, he's, he does. And that was also something we had talked about on this show when Aaron
12:55Glenn was first hired, right? Cosby said, Hey, there's talent on this team. They just,
12:59they, the coaching we felt like was not where it needed to get them to. And that
13:03was the quarterback. They need a quarterback. Right. A hundred percent to be fair. He did
13:07not have a quarterback. Yeah. Well, let's talk about the quarterback yesterday. Cause
13:12yesterday I thought, you know, maybe the Packers game was the worst we'd see Gino
13:16play, but yesterday a completed passes at 15 attempts. Granted, they didn't have the
13:21ball really at all. The entire game is a weird game. It was a weird game, but even when
13:26he did have the ball, there was some questionable play calling from Frank Reich and some questionable
13:30decision-making from Gino on the inaccuracy of the passes and really ultimately what the
13:35offense did yesterday. They didn't do anything cause. And, and I'm, I'm really starting to
13:40get concerned about this OC and the end quarterback combination because that was not a good showing
13:46from them yesterday. Yes. Uh, you're right. I mean, they are, um, Gino was just so inaccurate.
13:57It was surprising because he, even the green Bay game, I thought he was accurate. It just
14:01wasn't, it wasn't effective, but he could have had an interception that one guy dropped the ball
14:05on the sideline at one point. Um, it was weird. They didn't get it. They had no flow whatsoever.
14:11I thought when they came out in the second half, they got something going with the running game
14:15and then it just fizzled. Um, so yeah, but we like, this is what we said about Gino, right?
14:24You're going to, there's going to be weeks when you're like, man, this guy is awesome. And that
14:27was in Detroit. And then there's gonna be weeks where like, this guy just isn't the guy. And that
14:32was this week. So it's going to be a question of how many games does he have in either category?
14:37And
14:37you know, can he find any consistency? Like he, like he was playing like in, in Detroit
14:42and, uh, you know, in Tennessee was a consistent game, but he was kind of, he didn't, didn't, uh,
14:48wasn't flashy in that one. But I think this is what you get with Gino. This is what you signed
14:53up for.
14:55I, I hear you on that. I think there's also ways an offensive coordinator can smartly coach around
15:00that. Cause Tyson Bajan is a backup quarterback. You saw Ben Johnson. Hey, listen, man. Like,
15:06and he turned the ball over four times and three of them were negated penalties again. I'll say that
15:09again, but they won a football game yesterday decidedly by running the football. And like you
15:14said, the jets started running the ball at the start of the second half, but they only ran it
15:19with Braylon Allen. I didn't ever gave Isaiah Davis a run. How about Kenyon? Yeah, it was weird.
15:24He played two plays. I mean, look, I know what the answer is going to be from Frank Reich, right?
15:28Cause I've heard this from a hundred thousand offensive quarters. We, we only, we didn't have enough
15:33plays. And in this case, he's actually right. Like, so I always drove you crazy. Michael
15:37four used to do that when they had like 48 plays or 50 plays. Oh, we didn't have enough
15:41plays. That was always the excuse of why things went away. This was really 32 plays. It's really
15:47strange. Like it's, so it's hard to evaluate targets and carries and stuff. But I, Isaiah
15:52Davis only getting two snaps is strange to me. I just would have had a bigger package for
15:56him. Uh, I would have tried to force a series with him. I think he's a good back. I think
16:01he's a nice number three. Doesn't make sense why they didn't go to him. The screen game
16:06just looked all out of sync yesterday. Uh, I, yeah, I just don't think Frank Reich could
16:11have had enough time to kind of figure out what he wanted to do. I mean, they, how many
16:15times again, was Gino going on the line of scrimmage and the call play clock was running
16:18out again though, cause like that, this is a constant theme for this offense where it was
16:23one real delay of game, right? It was two, two ones where they did on purpose and one real
16:27one. Yeah. It's yeah. I don't know what's going on there. It's, it feels like
16:31there's some kind of disconnect there a little bit. Um, and, and you can't just blame it
16:36all because AD Mitchell and Reese Hall are out. I think we all agree. Like you still have
16:39Garrett Wilson. He's a premier wide receiver. And the fact that he only had four targets
16:44yesterday is just borderline. Not it's unacceptable. It really is. I get it before out of what they
16:51throw 18 passes. He threw four to Kenyon Sadiq as well with zero catches. Right. I know.
16:56I know, but that's eight out of 18. I think we focus on the totals there and it's like
17:00the percentage was still like pretty good. Like I, it just was a mess just offensively
17:06completely. And, um, I do think Gino has to take more chances to Garrett because Garrett
17:15is a guy who can make contested catches and maybe you get the guy draped all over him.
17:20I mean, we see PI calls all over the NFL all the time. So I think, you know, and you're
17:26going to throw some picks doing that too, but I go back to Fitzpatrick with Brandon Marshall.
17:31Like that was a master class of like, just throwing it up and like letting Brandon make
17:36plays all the time. And you, sometimes you're like, Oh my God, like he's so covered. And
17:41Brandon was just so good at that. Garrett's not as strong as Brandon, but Garrett has incredible
17:45body control and can make those catches. So I think, I think Gino things on Gino to sort
17:51of just take more chances with Garrett. Cause teams are going to take Garrett away. Like
17:54it's, you don't have to be bill Belichick to figure that out. Uh, that that's what they're
17:58going to do. Yeah. I, I a hundred percent agree with you, man. It's just, it's, it is,
18:04it's frustrating as a fan to watch how this team has taken a major step back after you were
18:11hoping you start to see some progress this year. Yeah. I, and by the way, you talked about
18:17like this three of the next four games, Patriots beat the bills in Buffalo. The Browns just
18:21beat the Steelers to win their third game. Todd Munkin, a first time head. Well, I know
18:26he's an interim, but at first time being the head coach head honcho, he looks awesome right
18:30now at three and one Clint Kubiak is competing against the Kansas city chiefs started out three
18:35and Oh, before the loss yesterday, I'm seeing first time head coaches cause turn these franchises
18:40that are debacles and right there and the bottom of the league with the jets and they're winning
18:46football games because they actually know how to coach. And I just, this is where, right. The
18:52larger discussion becomes how much longer do we as fans have to watch this team fumble a position,
19:02a coaching cycle and not find the right guy. I mean, it's been repeated history now with
19:08Sala. Now Glenn before that it was Adam Gase. It's a long history of them not picking the right
19:14guy. Yeah. Let me give you this one, Ryan, because I was, did you watch the Thursday game?
19:20Yeah, I did. Yeah. So I sit there and I'm watching it. It's Todd Munkin versus Mike McCarthy,
19:26right? Two guys, the jets have interviewed for head to head coaching job. Yeah. So I did a little
19:30went through the list. How many of the 32 current NFL head coaches do you think have interviewed with
19:36the New York jets for the head coaching job? I don't know. This is interesting. I'm wondering
19:41what, how many guests, take a guess. 21, 20, definitely not only 21, 11, 11, including Aaron
19:53Glenn, Robert Sala, Todd Bowles. Um, but yeah, I mean, that just shows you how many coaching cycles
19:59they've been through and they've interviewed, they interviewed Munkin, they interviewed McCarthy,
20:04they interviewed Jim Harbaugh back in the day. They've interviewed Schottenheimer and Dan Quinn,
20:09and they've interviewed all these guys. It's, it's tough. I will say right about Cleveland.
20:14Munkin gets a lot of credit, right? He had the stones to go with Deshaun Watson, which was,
20:19looks like the right call right now. They've drafted incredibly well in the last couple of years.
20:25And that's like, I think when you look at it, you're like, wow, they, they, so Andrew Barry
20:31gets some credit there too. Uh, they, they've really, really hit it out of park in these last
20:36couple of drafts that they've had. I mean, they traded their best defensive player. We've probably
20:40seen in a, in a decade plus in miles Garrett, and they still are winning football games. And,
20:45and yeah, that's again, like to the, like you said, to the credit of the GM and the coach
20:50by, by doing the right thing with the team and they're getting them in the right position to win
20:54football games. I, I, for the jets, right? Like you traded sauce, you traded Quinn and Williams.
20:59They're not miles Garrett, mind you. And now you really start to wonder with Mugi's draft history,
21:07right? Besides the top picks. Yeah. Mason Taylor has been banged up last year. He's banged up right
21:11now, has not been able to stay on the field consistently. You look at Azri Thomas, you like
21:16that, but Malachi Moore, where are you? Uh, what's going on with, um, I mean the late round
21:24picks, they just aren't making any kind of impact for this team right now. And it's,
21:30it's frustrating cause, right? Like we're only four, four weeks into this, but let that yesterday,
21:35what happened really felt like a huge step back for this franchise. And now you're starting
21:40to like, all right. All right. Let me give you the pep talk. Right. Yeah. Go ahead. Give
21:45you the pep. Go ahead. If we're, if we were, we probably did do this. There's probably a video
21:50of this somewhere. If we were sitting there on August 25th, right? And we said, okay,
21:56first four games of the season, what do you got the Jets record at? We said one in three.
22:02One in three. Right. Where are they? The one in three, right? It's right. I get it. It
22:07looked awful yesterday. It looked awful yesterday. They looked all, I get it. And they blew the
22:12team against the Packers with the, by the coach. I get it. I get it. It looks worse than,
22:18but like, no, that's the thing about August projections. Okay. They're going to be up by
22:2310 in the fourth quarter and blow the lead. You just say, they're going to lose. They're
22:27going to lose to green bag. Green Bay is better. They're going to lose to Detroit. They're
22:29going to lose to Chicago. They're right where we thought they were going to be. This is crunch
22:35time now, right? These next four games to me, this is going to define the 2026 Jets is because
22:44again, I know the Browns are three and one. Are they really a good team or are they, have they
22:49gotten the ball bounced their way a few times here? Gotten some luck, right? Are the Raiders
22:55really a good team at three and one? Have they gotten some luck? The Jets need to win three of
23:00these four games. That's the bottom line. They have to win threes that I still think
23:05the Browns and Raiders are in the Jets weight class. And I think the Dolphins might be a
23:10weight class below the Jets. And then I'm kind of writing off the Patriots is probably because
23:16blues is because I've seen them lose to the Patriots and Foxborough so many times, but who
23:20knows that, that they, I know they straightened things out yesterday, but they've been kind of
23:23a mess. So it's still in front of your ride. That's my pep talk is you expected them to
23:28be one and three. They are one and three. That's disappointing because you can make an
23:33argument that they should be two and two. Um, I guess you can make an argument. They
23:39should be three and one. If you really thought they were going to complete the comeback on
23:42Detroit, but now this is the season. Now when we sit here in the beginning of November and
23:50they're going to Kansas city, what's their record? That's, that's the question. Cause that's
23:54where there was wiggle room in the prediction business in the off season.
23:59All right. That's it. I do that pump you up. No, no, not really. Um, I just, I still
24:06look back to like, again, all these coaches across the league that get hired first time
24:11and the teams just look like a better operation all around from top to bottom. And the jets
24:16just look like a bottom tier organization. They're going to continue to be a bottom tier organization
24:21until they prove us wrong. Um, yeah. So we've had so many conversations about coaches and
24:26coaching higher and what you do. I will say, I think these offensive coaches have a much
24:32greater impact immediate, right? Kubiak, uh, Monk and Liam Cohen and Jacksonville last year.
24:40I just think maybe it's today's NFL. I don't know what it is, but it feels like the offensive
24:46guys just have a instant impact where the defensive guys, maybe it takes, it takes a while.
24:54Like obviously Mike McDonald won the Superbowl, so you can win with a defensive coach, but it
24:59wasn't overnight there. Like it took a little while. And, uh, that's, that's kind of how
25:04it feels to me. And so maybe Woody Johnson next time is going to go offensive.
25:09I have theories about that, but we'll talk about that at a future episode.
25:13Cause thank you for hopping on here, get some rest and we're looking forward to your coverage
25:17and we'll catch up with you later this week, man. All right. See you right.