00:00This hybrid war while waiting for what will be the summit at the Viminale, I say good morning, I thank him for being
00:06Connected with us, the chief prosecutor of Naples, Nicola Gratteri, thank you and welcome.
00:13Prosecutor, I imagine there is concern, even as a magistrate, about the hacker attacks aimed at our infrastructures, but also at the head of the
00:25postal police, Evano Gabrielli, to the prosecutor Lovoi,
00:28do they also make you think of a vulnerability category?
00:35We, as the Naples prosecutor's office, are quite well equipped, I have five very good colleagues who deal only with this type of matter.
00:44crimes and this type of attacks.
00:47We have been studying hackers for at least five or six years, also with Professor Onicaso, and we have tried to
00:57write several times, especially in the book Il Grifone,
01:01we explained how the mafias, how criminal and terrorist organizations are equipping themselves to use the dark web, to
01:13use paid hackers,
01:15to destabilize and to achieve their goals, their ends.
01:22For example, the mafias use hackers, they are now public trial data, they use the mafias to extract Bitcoin, to extract
01:33Monero,
01:33which are the most widespread electronic currencies, which are used to pay South American drug traffickers, because for at least five years also
01:43South American cartels get paid in Bitcoin,
01:46because they understood that it is more difficult to find Ariane's thread, it is more difficult to discover the path of the coin
01:53electronics.
01:55Then hackers are able, the conditions are right, even this public procedural data, they are able to break into,
02:05for example, a hacker hacked the Ministry of Justice domain two years ago,
02:11and we, as the Naples Public Prosecutor's Office, were able to carry out this very important investigation.
02:16The first investigation, in this sense, which allowed to demonstrate how this hacker had managed to enter hundreds
02:32of magistrates' passwords.
02:34He could have, fortunately he did not, registered the crime report of any Italian Public Prosecutor's Office,
02:41any person or even delete it. This has given us so much concern for eight months,
02:51but he taught us and made us learn many things.
02:55Unfortunately, efforts are being made from a technological point of view, technology is being purchased,
03:04Our law enforcement agencies are being equipped, but it is still not enough.
03:09For example, the Chief of Police in Cesena has already held two courses for specialized inspectors in cybersecurity,
03:19as well as the Guardia di Finanza through the currency exchange, as well as the Carabinieri through the Florence Police School.
03:29But, I repeat, this isn't enough. We're talking about small numbers compared to a phenomenon that has exploded in recent years.
03:36Well, in this regard, you rightly recalled the attack that took place a few years ago on the Ministry of
03:44Justice.
03:45I would like to better understand where we are, Attorney, and read together with you, even at home,
03:50some data that also bring us back to what happens in our public administration,
03:55particularly in municipalities, one in four municipalities has been hit by cyber attacks.
04:02And above all, there is a lack of professionals here who can help avoid hacker attacks like this one,
04:11structured, formed.
04:13She told us that in the field of justice they are starting to try to maximize,
04:21make a system more efficient, but still?
04:26So, there are many things to do.
04:28Meanwhile, employees and public administration must be trained.
04:33That is, if I have a house and I have five windows,
04:39I give the hacker five chances to get in.
04:43If I have only one window, I have only one chance to get in.
04:48So I focus my efforts and technology on that window,
04:52I put all the security systems on a single window.
04:55So first of all we need to rationalize and educate the employees, the officials,
05:02that through their PC, through a known password,
05:07through an email, which I am not able to understand beforehand that the email is a bug,
05:16that is, it is used to enter your computer, from your computer,
05:20get to the central system,
05:25then it will be very difficult.
05:27So the basis of all reasoning is training
05:31and explain the dangers of leaving a computer workstation unattended.
05:38This is the basis.
05:39And then we need to start buying technology by leaving Consip.
05:45Consip often has leftover warehouse stock.
05:49This applies to everything you buy,
05:52because Consip prefers the lowest price.
05:55In the world of IT, in the world of technology,
06:00it's money wasted, thinking of the lowest price.
06:03The technology itself is already out of date every six or eight months.
06:07Imagine if we already go and buy things that are 3-4 years old.
06:11Therefore, for security reasons, you must leave Consip to make purchases.
06:17I have been saying this for 5-6 years, even regarding armored cars,
06:21because we are buying Asian armored cars.
06:24Nowadays, cars and automobiles have at least 30 control units,
06:29and I don't know what can be put in one of those 30 control units.
06:34So, while Maserati in Modena is closing.
06:39They are cars that cost the same price in Maserati,
06:43produced in Italy, which has safer systems,
06:46they certainly have no reason to attack us
06:49or to think about weakening the Italian security system.
06:54Another fact, another problem, is that there are too many agencies in Italy.
06:59There are too many agencies and too many minds.
07:03So resources are few and often wasted,
07:09duplicates and triples are made.
07:11So it would take a little humility to sit around a table
07:15and start thinking that one should be in charge and not three, four or five.
07:21Santa, since you referred to the links with organized crime,
07:27according to what the investigations have verified
07:30after that first attack on the Ministry of Justice,
07:35I want to bring it back to these images.
07:37If Maurizio Moroni, director, helps us and takes us to Palermo,
07:42I want to show her, I want to show at home what happened.
07:45Because once again, Mr. Prosecutor, we are faced with this spectacle,
07:49despite the fight against the mafia.
07:51In Palermo, tributes were paid in the streets, shutters were down for the funeral of a boss,
08:00firecrackers, with all the concern expressed on this point by the mayor of Palermo.
08:09But look, this is simple because I don't understand why these things are still happening in 2026.
08:17When I was in Calabria and now in Naples, we avoid the bosses' funerals.
08:25The police commissioner already has almost a mimeograph, it was once said.
08:32He already has a mask and a computer to ban funerals, no big deal.
08:37Then, when the shopkeeper closes the shutter,
08:42in homage to the boss it is obvious that you can go there and start checking,
08:48to make reports also from an administrative point of view
08:51and surely something will be found on that businessman who lowered the Sgesca
08:57as a tribute, in homage to the boss.
09:00It's very simple, just avoid those funerals.
09:03We've known about that one, even the funeral, for more than a century now,
09:08it is a form of externalization of power.
09:11Attorney, before we leave, it is still unclear who will be appointed.
09:17as head of the national anti-corruption authority.
09:20I would like to remind you together with her how fundamental the role of those who
09:25he holds that position after the resignation of Alteri.
09:30Look, in recent years there has been a proliferation of authorities,
09:35but if authority must also be managed by politics
09:40and we close the authorities and we save money.
09:44It can't, by law, among other things.
09:47If the controller is equal to the controlled, let's forget it,
09:51let's close these authorities.
09:52If we don't have the strength to put third parties
09:56or people who support neither the right nor the left,
10:00but who are only doing their job and their duty of control.
10:05Thank you, Attorney General, thank you for your intervention and for being with us.
10:09Good day.
