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In this edition of 'The Democratic Newsroom', editors examine the political fallout surrounding the opposition's campaign against the Special Intensive Revision (SIR) exercise and allegations of vote theft. The discussion centers on the Election Commission of India, calls for Chief Election Commissioner Gyanesh Kumar's resignation, and a joint affidavit submitted by the three election commissioners to the Supreme Court. Panelists analyze the defense of the SIR process by Congress ministers in Karnataka and Kerala, procedural aspects involving Form 6 declarations, and voter roll deletions in West Bengal. The debate evaluates whether graduate constituency and MLC election results across Maharashtra, Uttar Pradesh, and Bihar reflect voter sentiment on electoral integrity or previous patterns seen in state elections. The panel further contrasts the role of judicial resolution in the Supreme Court with demands for the Election Commission of India to address political parties' claims through a press conference rather than written statements.
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00:00Well, welcome to yet another edition of the Democratic Newsroom.
00:04After a rather eventful Democratic Newsroom the last time around,
00:08our band of editors are back with a new topic to discuss and debate.
00:13This time around, well, we're debating protests versus protests.
00:18Protests versus padhyatra.
00:19Is the SIR campaign of the opposition actually sticking all of that,
00:24building in to the mega opposition rally or what the opposition feels that will be a mega rally on the
00:311st of November.
00:32Alright, so we are back again after last week.
00:36All of us promised to be a little better behaved, a little tad bit embarrassed.
00:41I promised right after the, you know, the Democratic Newsroom ends, we're all friends outside.
00:47So, no, friends even inside.
00:50But we're all a tad bit embarrassed on how things panned out last time.
00:53We promise to be better behaved today.
00:55So, Gaurav, would you want to begin?
00:57No, Rajdeep begins.
00:58No, no.
00:59We follow him.
00:59Rajdeep begins.
01:00Rajdeep begins.
01:01No, no.
01:02I insist because Gaurav Savant has raised unfounded allegations that he's not given enough time,
01:07that the show is biased against him.
01:09So, in the interest of natural justice, a fair hearing,
01:14Gaurav Savant starts today's debate.
01:16Your time starts now.
01:17I'm timing him.
01:18I'm timing all of you today.
01:19Please do.
01:20Please do.
01:20Please go ahead.
01:21Achai, just don't interrupt.
01:22I will not.
01:23I am very silent today.
01:25Okay.
01:26I'm going to make them sign bonds from the next time around.
01:28No, no.
01:29I'm not embarrassed.
01:30And I just hope those bonds are respected and those bonds are welcomed.
01:35You know, whatever happens as per law is very good.
01:37But fair enough.
01:38Is SIR, you know, allegation of the Congress Party sticking or not?
01:42Look, it is for the voters of our country to decide whether an allegation is working or not.
01:47And it is also for courts of law to decide whether what's happening is legal or illegal.
01:52It is not for any, you know, khaap panchayat somewhere to start delivering verdicts.
01:57Let's be very clear about it.
01:59Journalists can report.
02:00They can give their opinion.
02:02But, you know, journalists should report facts.
02:04And let me try and give you some facts on ground.
02:07So, from the moment it was raised that SIR is vote chori, you have Satish Jharkiyoli, Karnataka minister, who says,
02:15we don't protest about SIR in Karnataka.
02:17SIR has been done properly in Karnataka over one crore deletions.
02:20He also explains what are these deletions.
02:22People have died.
02:23People have shifted.
02:24There has been duplication.
02:25The same way should have been done in other states.
02:27Rizwan Arshad, again Karnataka minister.
02:30Rahul Gandhi says vote chori.
02:31But he says six month long exercises happened.
02:3465,600 government officials, 60,000 DLOs, 4 crore 55 voters have also been enrolled.
02:40And what's to that effect?
02:41So, if there is vote chori, at least in Karnataka, where the government is, Congress is in power, or Kerala,
02:47you have leaders like Ramesh Channithala said SIR has only benefited them.
02:51Does this take the wind out of Congress party's sales?
02:53Well, it's for the voters to decide.
02:55Are you done, Gaurav?
02:57Okay, so Gaurav has spoken for one minute, 22 seconds.
03:01Not bad.
03:01So, not bad.
03:02Rajdeep, your time starts now.
03:05You see, the topic you have phrased is protests and panryatra, is the opposition campaign working?
03:10I think it depends on the parameters and who you speak to.
03:14Parameter number one.
03:16If the parameter is eyeballs, conversations, talking points, creating a buzz, I think it's definitely worked.
03:22I don't think we've spoken about the election commission and the exercise carried out by the election commission as much
03:27as we have in the last hundred days.
03:29Special summary revisions take place every year in this country.
03:32One of the, you know, this needs to be, it's not as if special summary revisions don't take place.
03:37They take every year, right?
03:39So, from the point of view of conversation, creating a buzz, I think from the opposition perspective, it seems to
03:45have worked.
03:47If your parameter is, is it an election issue, will you get it votes?
03:52Huge question mark.
03:53Recall last year, Rahul Gandhi led a vote chori campaign in Bihar.
03:57High decibel, didn't work.
03:59What worked instead?
04:00Cash transfers of the Nithish Kumar government.
04:02The Congress was unsuccessful in making vote chori a major campaign in Bihar.
04:08Now, come to what I think really has worked.
04:11The election commission itself, very carefully, silently is being cost corrected.
04:17It's cost correcting in various ways in the last 20, 25 days.
04:22And I think that is very, very significant.
04:25I mean, doorstep verification now taking place.
04:28Suddenly, you're giving voters more time.
04:30You're giving help to vulnerable voters.
04:32You're having a scrutiny of ECI net.
04:35You're looking at Form 7 and saying, look, you cannot have mass deletions.
04:39One individual cannot, you know, file hundreds of mass deletions.
04:43All of this is very quietly happening.
04:45And the reason why it's happening, I believe, is because finally there is a realization that
04:50in the conduct of the SIR, there were deep flaws.
04:54Now, I'm not saying there were malefied, but there were flaws.
04:57And as typically in India, it's being done quietly.
05:02Many of these very flaws were registered by the two other election commissioners.
05:06Suddenly, Gyanesh Kumar and team are now registering that and making those corrections.
05:12So, in my view, if the SIR exercise results in genuinely ensuring every, and I repeat,
05:20every eligible Indian voter to vote in an election, and if this is done through cause correction,
05:26I think that is the best thing that has happened.
05:28This is not about government and opposition.
05:30One final point.
05:32A lot of propaganda has been that this exercise is to remove ghuspetiyas.
05:39Ghuspetiya, my friend Gaurav Savan's favorite word.
05:42Puts it always at the top on India first.
05:44Now we've had, now we've had newspaper reports and clarifications from EOs as of now.
05:52State election of 1600 ghuspetiyas.
05:571600 in a country of our size.
06:00So, I am saying, I think the time has come to separate fact from fiction.
06:06Okay, Rajiv, you're done.
06:06Three minutes, you're done.
06:07I was given three minutes.
06:08Yeah, full.
06:09I spoke for three minutes.
06:11Uninterrupted three minutes.
06:12Then please give Gaurav enough time.
06:13No, Gaurav was.
06:14I'm coming.
06:15He will be very upset.
06:16I will come.
06:17No, no, no.
06:17He was asked if he wanted to add more.
06:20He said, no, he was done then.
06:21He'll come back to his turn.
06:23I love how things are going this time.
06:26Akshita, don't jinx it just yet, Preeti.
06:28Well behaved.
06:29Don't jinx it just yet.
06:30I am, yeah, just yet.
06:31I think on the issue of SIR and whether the opposition's gamble has worked, Rajiv made a
06:35point about it having a lot of sound and everyone talking about it.
06:39I think that very often we get stuck in the social media echo chamber, which is that if
06:43you go to, let's say, a rural village in the country, will they really understand the
06:47impact of SIR?
06:48Will they really understand what the opposition is talking about?
06:50Will they understand what Rahul Gandhi is talking about when he goes into Form 6, Form
06:547, this is what's happened?
06:55I don't know.
06:57Electorally, I don't know if it has an impact because Vochori hasn't really had that impact,
07:00which is what Rahul Gandhi has perhaps also seen because in the last few years, every
07:04time he's spoken of Vochori, it hasn't really become the kind of issue that he's wanted
07:08where everyone comes together on that.
07:11Now, the other aspect of it is that the opposition has made this an issue of CEC Gyanesh Kumar
07:16must go.
07:17Yes, there are flaws in how the SIR was conducted.
07:19None of us can say it was picture perfect.
07:22There was absolutely no flaw whatsoever.
07:24There were issues raised by the Indian Express, which have also been highlighted.
07:27There have been issues that the opposition has also highlighted and the ECS course corrected.
07:32The challenge is when you put it on one face, one person, on the CEC Gyanesh Kumar, what
07:37is the impact going to be?
07:38Your impact can only be then if Gyanesh steps down, if Gyanesh resigns.
07:42And until then, you'll have to keep going with this campaign, with this protest, continue
07:45with the stir.
07:46What's the end game?
07:47You say you want change on SIR.
07:49That's something that, OK, let's say the EC submits an affidavit.
07:52You get more details off.
07:53And finally, there's more transparency.
07:55The challenge is when you make it about one person, one face.
07:58And that's what the opposition is doing.
08:00When they say, you know, we want CEC Gyanesh Kumar to resign.
08:03And that's the end game.
08:04To me, that's where the flaw is in this campaign.
08:06All right, so, Akshita, you've spoken for one minute, 40 seconds.
08:09If I may, I just want to come in and somebody can chime in.
08:11Somebody, Preeti, I just want to come in.
08:15Preeti also has to speak.
08:17Please go in.
08:17Sorry, Madam.
08:18OK, I'm going to just, I'm timing myself also here, OK?
08:21So, my time starts right now.
08:23But the only thing I'd like to say is, I think the opposition, for SIR to be a success,
08:29needs to marry it with something else.
08:31In 2024, Samvidhan Khatre Mein Hai was the clarion call by the opposition.
08:37It worked electorally because the opposition at that point of time was successful in marrying
08:42Samvidhan Khatre Mein Hai ki Arakshan khatam ho jayega.
08:45And therefore, it became a bread and butter issue where at least a lot of people, you know,
08:50related to it.
08:51So, I think, yes, all the noise that we hear about Votchori, all the course correction which
08:57is happening, especially by the election commission, already happening, at the back of all the
09:03noise that has been made, that is great.
09:06But I think electorally, for the opposition to politically, electorally milk it, they will
09:12need to marry Votchori with a bread and butter issue, which will be relatable.
09:17But having said that, I just want to add.
09:19Please, give me an example.
09:20Give me an example.
09:21No, no, no, no.
09:21Less than one minute you interjected.
09:23Give me an example of a bread and butter issue.
09:24Don't speak in general.
09:25I just told you.
09:27I just told you.
09:27Give me an example.
09:27I just told you.
09:29In 2024, Samvidhan Khatre Mein Hai was married to Arakshan khatam ho jayega.
09:34The reservation was not a bread and butter issue.
09:35It was an issue.
09:36It was an emotive issue.
09:37It was a bread and butter issue.
09:38No, when you say bread and butter, I want to know what is a bread and butter.
09:40Rajdeep, I'm telling you if it is reservation.
09:43Reservation is a bread and butter issue for a lot of people in our country, Rajdeep.
09:46It's an emotional issue.
09:46As much as an emotive issue, it is a bread and butter issue.
09:49People get reservation.
09:50They get jobs on the basis of reservation.
09:52They make their money on reservation.
09:54So, yes.
09:54So, that is what I think is number one.
09:56That needs to happen.
09:57But, because Rajdeep interrupted me again, I just want to come back on why I think, Gaurav,
10:01and I will toss it to you here, that electorally, has it worked or not worked?
10:05Okay, it can't be the benchmark, but we are coming out of 28 MLC elections.
10:09And if you actually look at the elections, the voters are what?
10:12Educated, urban, middle-class voters.
10:15The Congress might have done terribly in Karnataka.
10:17But if you look at Maharashtra, if you look at Uttar Pradesh, you look at Bihar,
10:22the urban voter has voted or rather not voted for what the BJP's core constituency was.
10:27No, but they haven't voted for the Congress.
10:28But they have, it doesn't matter, it's okay.
10:30The regions are trapped, I think you have to make that distinction also.
10:33By the way, no.
10:33The sheer fact that, you have to make that distinction.
10:35The sheer fact that in Nagpur, you have the Congress that has taken Nagpur.
10:38One.
10:39One, but one second.
10:40One.
10:40Allow me to finish.
10:42Then, no, no.
10:42One.
10:43How many?
10:43Okay, just because it was the power of one.
10:46Akshita, how many?
10:47Akshita, you don't understand the power of one.
10:48You are interjecting me, so allow me to.
10:50Sorry.
10:50One is powerful, Akshita.
10:51Allow me to come in.
10:52You've done one.
10:53How many did you fight in Maharashtra?
10:54Two.
10:54Two.
10:55You fought two in Maharashtra where the Congress was.
10:57Congress won one.
10:59The Sharad Pawar, NCP fought two, won two.
11:04Right?
11:04The Congress did not fight any seats.
11:07Overall 28 how many did they fight?
11:08Hear me out.
11:08The Congress did not fight any seats in Uttar Pradesh.
11:11None.
11:12Overall.
11:12Of the 28 how many did they fight?
11:13I am telling you.
11:14Right?
11:15I am not saying.
11:16No, but that's good advice.
11:17Veethi has good advice.
11:18I am just giving you.
11:19Can I?
11:20I just told you.
11:22I am just giving you the flip side.
11:23But can I please say.
11:25Of course.
11:25One of the biggest mistakes madam you are making is to look at MLC elections.
11:29I am not looking at.
11:30To decide as a barometer.
11:32Rajdeep, I gave the rider right in the beginning.
11:34First of all.
11:34Right in the beginning I gave the rider that one cannot.
11:37You know in 30, what is it 38 years.
11:40I agree.
11:40Sorry to use my age.
11:41In 38 years of journalism I have never seen MLC elections for graduates and teachers.
11:47I agree.
11:47I agree.
11:48And I blame that.
11:50One minute ma'am.
11:50I blame the news media here.
11:52From the morning.
11:53Zero hero.
11:54Nobody was a hero.
11:54BJP has not made any gains.
11:56They have lost in metro.
11:57Nobody made BJP a hero.
11:59I think that's very.
12:00Madam the way it was positioned yesterday.
12:02How was it positioned?
12:02Congress zero.
12:04Even to the extent.
12:05Okay fine.
12:05Okay fine.
12:06Congress wasn't zero.
12:07Congress was one.
12:07Can I just speak.
12:08I mean come on.
12:09Congress zero to one.
12:11Can I just speak ma'am.
12:12Please.
12:13Please allow me to speak.
12:14You see that.
12:15The fact.
12:15I am making a serious point here.
12:16Yes yes.
12:17Based on 28 seats.
12:18I am going to come to you after this.
12:19Congress retains Nagpur.
12:21You can even say you know it's not a win in the sense you retained your seat.
12:25BJP more or less is where it is in terms of number of seats but they lost sitting seats.
12:29For example in Patna.
12:31In Lucknow.
12:31They lost sitting seats.
12:33Andra.
12:34One minute.
12:35But.
12:36But.
12:36A graduates election cannot become.
12:39As I said.
12:39The same thing Rathip I began with the same thing.
12:42Cannot become a test.
12:42Cannot become a test.
12:43For whether vote chori campaign is.
12:45I will tell you what is working.
12:46I began with that.
12:46Ma'am can I.
12:47I began with that.
12:47Allow me to finish.
12:48But tell me something.
12:49Even if it's.
12:50You interjected me.
12:51You are allowed to interject me.
12:52I am not allowed to interject you.
12:53You interjected me.
12:55So if you are interjecting me allow me.
12:56If it is graduates.
12:57If it is the educated middle class.
12:59No fracricidal war.
13:01Can I just make a simple point.
13:04For example.
13:05You know when.
13:05Because you use the word bread and butter.
13:06I will tell you what happens.
13:08Among graduates today.
13:09A lot of anxiety is there about jobs.
13:12In Maharashtra for example.
13:13The way the MPSC exams were conducted.
13:15And the irregularities there.
13:17Are a huge issue.
13:18There is a huge concern over these new UGC rules.
13:21Which are also afflicting a number of higher education students.
13:23The BJP has to be worried about it.
13:25Because a lot of this.
13:26Because they have a government in Maharashtra.
13:27Because UGC rules were framed by the center.
13:29They are receiving the backlash of that.
13:31From.
13:31But you know what.
13:32It's the issue that the Congress party picks up.
13:34One minute.
13:35Therefore you see to say.
13:37That this is proof that ballot papers work is wrong.
13:39This is a proof that one party is up.
13:41And one is done.
13:42MLC elections will have no impact.
13:44The vote chori decision.
13:46If you are looking at it from an electoral parameter.
13:48You will have to wait for the next big election.
13:51But true.
13:52By the data that you have.
13:54And that's what I began with Rajdeep.
13:56That it cannot be used.
13:57So far.
13:57When you look at data.
13:58So far when you look at data.
14:00And.
14:01You know.
14:01As you very rightly pointed out.
14:03Elections.
14:04Our voters decide whether an issue is working or not.
14:07In Bihar.
14:07It didn't work for the Congress party.
14:09So 2025.
14:10When Rahul Gandhi started raising the issue of vote chori.
14:13Look at the elections that have happened.
14:15Bihar elections.
14:15NDA got 202 out of 243.
14:18Look at subsequent elections.
14:20You know.
14:20RJD got 25.
14:21Congress was down 6 out of 61.
14:242026.
14:25Kerala.
14:25Congress won.
14:26So Congress alleges vote chori.
14:27And yet wins.
14:28Assam BJP won.
14:29West Bengal landslide for the BJP.
14:31Tamil Nadu TVK won.
14:32Congress got what?
14:335 seats.
14:34Abandoning its partner.
14:36So vote chori narrative clearly not working for the Congress party.
14:39So far.
14:40So far.
14:41The attack on CEC Gyanesh Kumar.
14:43Gyanesh Kumar entered the election commission in 2024.
14:46Became CEC in 2025.
14:48Look at the number.
14:49And Amit Shah and the BJP have pointed this out repeatedly.
14:52Congress out of power in Gujarat 4 decades.
14:54Uttar Pradesh 4 decades.
14:56Tamil Nadu 6 decades.
14:57Tripura not had a CM for 3 decades.
14:58Arunachal Pradesh 12 years.
15:00Delhi 18 years.
15:01Where was vote chori and Gyanesh Kumar there?
15:03So this entire attack on Gyanesh Kumar.
15:06And saying that we will impeach.
15:08Mock impeachment of Gyanesh Kumar.
15:10But can I ask you.
15:10Mock parliament in China's house.
15:13Can I just ask a question.
15:14Allow me a rebuttal.
15:15Allow me a rebuttal.
15:16Allow me a rebuttal.
15:16Where you are saying where is it working if all of this is really true.
15:18Why is it the home minister, the BJP spokesperson or journalist coming out and making that defence.
15:23The election commission should come out and rebut.
15:25It did.
15:26It didn't.
15:26It was a one-sided communication.
15:28It issued a press release.
15:29That's not how the EC works.
15:30So the election commission should become.
15:31That's a one-sided communication.
15:32They should become a political party.
15:34Rahul Gandhi's one allegation.
15:35CEC's one.
15:36No.
15:37It's not Rahul Gandhi alone.
15:38Okay.
15:39It's not Rahul Gandhi alone.
15:40Losing parties.
15:41Gaurav.
15:41Any party that loses an election.
15:43Not just political parties alone.
15:44Any party loses an allegation makes an allegation.
15:47Gaurav.
15:47The three election commissioners.
15:48CEC and the other two signed a joint affidavit submitted in Supreme Court.
15:52I'm not.
15:53Leave away the politics.
15:54Let's just look at it as journalistic inquisition in this country.
15:57Sure.
15:57There have been reports after reports that have been published which have raised bonafide
16:01concerns on the functioning of the constitutional body.
16:03And courts will decide.
16:04No.
16:04Courts will decide.
16:05One second.
16:06Not media reports that have fallen flat.
16:08You know.
16:08I mean ultimately you look to the judiciary.
16:10Can I can I can I.
16:11Ultimately you look to the judiciary.
16:13Why should we.
16:14Why should we.
16:14Why should we.
16:14Why should we.
16:15Why should we as a democracy.
16:16Look at the judiciary.
16:18We look at the election commission.
16:19We look at the election commission.
16:20If there is a dispute.
16:21There is a dispute.
16:22There is a dispute.
16:23There is a dispute between the election commission.
16:26I'm sorry.
16:27I disagree.
16:27Can I just.
16:28If there is a dispute between two parties.
16:30If there is a dispute between two parties.
16:31How is it a dispute?
16:54I have one basic.
16:58You know.
16:58You said a dispute between two parties.
17:00I think it's a highly convenient argument.
17:02To make it into a political party versus the EC.
17:05No.
17:06It's not about the political party.
17:07It is about the 22 lakh people in Bengal.
17:10Who today find themselves out of the roles.
17:12I'm just giving you examples.
17:13They will also approach quotes of law.
17:14I am giving.
17:14I am.
17:15Why should they.
17:15Why should they.
17:17My name was removed.
17:19If I can finish.
17:19My name was removed.
17:20I went to the election commission.
17:21I got my name.
17:22I have a very basic.
17:24No.
17:24So what do you want Preeti?
17:25I have a very basic plea as.
17:26If you allow me.
17:27Yeah.
17:28I have a very basic plea.
17:29Yes take it.
17:30As a.
17:31Rajdeep.
17:32I have a very basic plea.
17:33No Rajdeep you are right.
17:34I have a very basic plea.
17:34As a.
17:34I have a very basic plea as a citizen of this country.
17:38Which is.
17:39That.
17:40Constitutional bodies of our country should also have constitutional moralities.
17:43In the past.
17:44In the past.
17:45Constitutional bodies like the EC have come out and dispelled every claim.
17:49I don't need to.
17:50Like a CC.
17:51I can.
17:52Like a CC going on phone.
17:53If you allow me to just finish.
17:54And telling a political party when elections are to be held.
17:57If you are right.
17:57It was terrible.
17:58Or a CC.
17:58Or a CC becoming a union minister.
18:00It was terrible.
18:00I agree.
18:01But.
18:01That should not repeat itself.
18:03No sir.
18:03But it is not repeating itself.
18:05It is not repeating itself.
18:05I agree.
18:05When questions are asked.
18:07Questions are asked.
18:08The answer goes to a court of law.
18:10Why should it go to a court of law.
18:12We have to.
18:13What do you want.
18:13I just told you.
18:14What do you present to do.
18:16One second.
18:16I can answer one of you.
18:18I want.
18:19You've asked me three times what do I want.
18:20Yeah.
18:21Just a press conference by the election commission of this country.
18:24That rebuts questions from journalists.
18:26Leave the politics out of it.
18:27That's all I want.
18:28Is it leaving.
18:29One second.
18:30If they go to the Supreme Court.
18:31Aren't they leaving the politics out of it.
18:32One second.
18:33But it's not the court.
18:33They are going to the judiciary.
18:34What is wrong?
18:36We are going to the courts.
18:37Why should the courts.
18:37Because.
18:37Because.
18:37Why should the courts.
18:37Why should the courts.
18:38Why should the courts come in.
19:03Petitions in the court right now have been filed by whom?
19:05How is this one-sided?
19:06I'll tell you, no, no, no, no, petitions, I'm talking about the press release.
19:09They're filed in this election commissioners.
19:10Ashita, I don't think you're understanding.
19:12I'm understanding the difference.
19:14You're not saying you want a press conference.
19:15Of course.
19:15All I'm saying is that in front of the judiciary, if they've submitted...
19:18Why should we in this country, it's a democracy, we'd be going to the judiciary at every turn.
19:22Because that's the constitution.
19:23That's the constitution.
19:25I am asking, you're telling me, are you telling me, I'm asking my election, I'm asking the election commission.
19:30If you don't agree, go to courts.
19:31I am asking, no.
19:32I am asking the election commission of this country to come out and rebut all charges, which they have done
19:37in the past.
19:37And they are doing it now.
19:38Which they have done in the past.
19:39Okay, Rajdeep, go ahead.
19:40Okay, I don't want to...
19:41Go ahead, make your point.
19:42No, I know.
19:43I thought that this was going to be a civilized debate.
19:46Obviously, it's not.
19:47It is, it is, it is.
19:47No, it's not.
19:48But I want to make a simple point, which I made at the very outset.
19:51You see, if you are going to judge a success of a campaign by electability, as I said, it's a
19:57big question mark.
19:58I think success should be judged by constitutionality.
20:02Has the election commission of India followed constitutional morality?
20:05Has it followed rules that ensure a free and fair election in this country?
20:10So, who will decide?
20:10Just a minute.
20:11Journalists of India or courts of India?
20:13No, no.
20:13One minute, sir.
20:14You must let me complete.
20:15The courts will decide.
20:17Yesterday, quite bizarrely, a judge of the Supreme Court, the first paid headline, says that the category of logical discrepancy
20:25was an interim measure.
20:27This is the same judge who told the country before the Bengal elections that what is wrong if you don't
20:33vote in one election?
20:34This is the same judge under whose supervision that 22 lakh voters were struck off the rolls and a majority
20:41of them whose appeals have been heard so far have been found to be bona fide voters.
20:46While I will respect the court of law, I will say very clearly,
20:57I am sorry, the judges of this country must now walk the talk and ensure that constitutionality is maintained.
21:05And whatever decisions they take, whatever decision they take, whatever decision they take, this is creating ill will, this is
21:11creating ill will to a judiciary unacceptable, sir.
21:14No, no.
21:14One minute.
21:15As I said, nobody, if a judgment is bad in law, if a judgment is bad in law, if a
21:21judgment is bad in law, you know, yes, no, no, one minute.
21:22The changes that have been made, quietly, as I said, the same election commission, which for months together was completely
21:29silent, has now said home visits instead of compulsory personal hearings,
21:33has called for a review of the ACI net IT system, has extended red lines, has provided special assistance for
21:40vulnerable and left out voters,
21:41has now said there's a clear separation of Form 6 and the additional declaration, has set a camp on objection.
21:47No, no, no, one minute.
21:48I have voted.
21:51My limited point, right?
21:53Agar sabkut changasi, right?
21:56Why are you bringing in all these changes?
21:58My limit, and that can only be settled by a constitutional court in this country.
22:03And therefore, I believe a campaign was important so that, and I give credit to the people who have raised
22:09it.
22:09Every bread and butter issue means that we will not raise issue of democracy.
22:13Why do you say issues of democracy are not imposed?
22:17Why do you say that?
22:17No, you must be raised but vote is extremely dangerous.
22:20One person will allow him to vote.
22:22We don't have time.
22:24Every individual has a right to vote Mr. Gaurav Sawan.
22:26Oh absolutely, but Indians have a right to vote.
22:29Not Bangladeshis and Rohingyas.
22:31They will not vote.
22:32Where are they?
22:32They will be thrown out.
22:34Those numbers will be put out.
22:35Again, again.
22:36They will be.
22:36When those Gaurav Savans don't see Gaurav Savans.
22:40He has made a flawed argument.
22:42Where are the deletions that are happening?
22:45Because he does not want to allow him to talk.
22:47He must tell me how many Bangladeshis are going here.
22:51So allow him.
22:52He cannot make unsubstantiate.
22:54They are not unsubstantiated.
22:56Where is your evidence?
22:57Don't make unsubstantiate.
22:59Where are those who are going to say?
23:01Allow him to finish.
23:04Because fax is coming out in public domain.
23:11India will be first.
23:15India will not vote.
23:18When the whole ministry wants to ask this question.
23:20They don't even give you numbers.
23:22And it's not political.
23:25How many?
23:25How many?
23:26How many?
23:26You are in India today.
23:28We put out videos.
23:29You are in India today.
23:30You are in India today.
23:32We put out videos.
23:33You are in India today.
23:35We put out videos.
23:36Let him talk.
23:37Let him talk.
23:38No, no.
23:38I will not let him talk.
23:40And allow the audiences to mislead.
23:42I am sorry.
23:42I will not allow the audience to mislead the audience.
23:44Truth will come out now.
23:46Please do.
23:47Please do.
23:47I look forward to that.
23:48Let's just end with truth will come out.
23:50We all agree with that.
23:51India first.
23:51Always.
23:52We all agree truth should come out.
23:53Let's all agree truth should come out.
23:56The constitution is always.
23:57Okay.
23:58Fine.
23:59Constitution.
24:01No one.
24:02No one.
24:03No one.
24:04India first.
24:08No one.
24:08No one.
24:09No one.
24:09Okay.
24:10Okay, guys.
24:10So let's just.
24:11Calm down a bit.
24:12I think we're going to have one more before Diwali.
24:14One more demo before Diwali.
24:15So we're going to wish our viewers then.
24:17A very happy Diwali.
24:18Now happy Karwa Chauts today.
24:19Have a wonderful Karwa Chauts.
24:21Okay on that note.
24:22Why are you signing Rajdeep?
24:23Okay.
24:24On that note.
24:24Allow me to now.
24:25And everyone, on amiable, happy terms.
24:29We've had a really good debate.
24:31We are closing it now.
24:32So yes, sometimes tempers fly.
24:33But that's the beauty of debate.
24:35Thank you for joining us.