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Sneaky Joe DiBiase, Owen Parker, and Joe Cali stick on the Buffalo Sabres as the topic of the day as they examine the current goaltending situation. The guys look back on Luukkonen’s career with the Sabres and why fans may be so frustrated with him as the starter right now. Owen points to an up and down career combined with a tough playoff performance and rumors of a major move to upgrade the position as reasons fans may be so ready for a move.

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00:05The Magic Puck, Noah Oslin scores to tie the game and they get the point.
00:1011 points in 11 games.
00:124-4-3, that is three points out of a playoff spot in the early stages here.
00:17Montreal has won a couple of games in a row, so they are in that final spot.
00:22And the Sabres are out west.
00:24This week, little Sabres after dark.
00:26Tomorrow, 10-30 against the Sharks.
00:29Good morning, it's Jeremy and Joe.
00:30Jeremy's off to Wednesday.
00:31We've got a lot of football to get into, of course, from yesterday.
00:34But it was a big hockey weekend.
00:37I was not hoping for the big things while I'm away to be that a Hellebuck trade would happen somewhere
00:44else.
00:44But he goes to the Devils.
00:46And they don't really pay that much to get him.
00:50So, now what?
00:54Are they just going to be luking in and goal for the next three years?
00:57He's got this year and then two more years remaining on his contract.
01:02And, by the way, what's happening right now is he's their guy until Alex Lyon returns.
01:07And then they likely go back to a rotation.
01:10Six starts in a row, though.
01:12Excuse me.
01:13Five starts in a row.
01:14The sixth game was the Florida game where he came in in relief.
01:17But he is the guy.
01:20He is playing every night.
01:22And until Lyon comes back, I feel like they have just decided that Colton Ellis is not a rotational goalie
01:30for them.
01:30No, and Yarmou, when he was chatting with you guys, made a point to mention he's not playing as well
01:34for them as he did last season as well.
01:37That was unprompted, right?
01:38Just mentioned him.
01:39Yeah.
01:39I don't know how Lukanen's going to go over here.
01:42I don't think he stayed.
01:43You mentioned the next two or three years.
01:45Is he just the guy?
01:46He's done, in the court of public opinion at least, no matter what he does.
01:51Now, especially as we talked in the first segment, you've got Friedman putting out there what happened on July 1st
01:56as well.
01:57They were almost at the finish line, but he was the reason it couldn't get done.
02:00Like, this is just going to turn real.
02:02It was already south.
02:04We're heading as far south as you could possibly go, I feel like.
02:06I don't know if he's going to be able.
02:08He might play well.
02:09He might, now with all the pressure off his back of this looming in the background, and he's going to
02:14be here now, he might play better.
02:16I don't think that's going to do anything for the court of public opinion, though, unfortunately.
02:20Can we talk about that, though?
02:21Like, why that is true about him?
02:25Wow.
02:25Why we are at this point where nobody really has any confidence in him being their lead goaltender and that
02:35many would just like to see it end.
02:36That, like, I've seen enough of this.
02:39It honestly, you could even argue, goes back before he played here.
02:45It's been almost 10 years since he was drafted, and he has been on the mind as this goalie of
02:52the future idea.
02:55Like, he was drafted in 2017.
02:57Yeah.
02:58It was nine and a half years ago, and I remember the back of your mind, like, oh, there's this
03:06guy out there, Lukonen.
03:08The crazy name.
03:10He's big.
03:10He's talented.
03:11You know, was he the first goalie drafted in his draft?
03:14Whatever.
03:15Like, that was there.
03:16And then he debuted for the team seven years ago, six years ago, 2020.
03:23So part of it for me is how long it's been, how long it's gone on.
03:28And I don't think that it's all his fault.
03:33I think a lot of it is what the Sabres have done with him, the treatment of the player thrusting
03:43him into a role, into a job that for many years I think has been above his head.
03:51He is a fine NHL goaltender.
03:54I think he has a place in this league.
03:56But he's been a constant for this team really since 22.
04:02Like, that's four years ago.
04:04That's five seasons ago now.
04:06He's been a constant.
04:08And he's been kind of the guy.
04:10He's been, I know he's been in rotation in many of these seasons, but he's been relied upon.
04:15And what do I have in 200 hockey games?
04:20It's a lot of games for a goalie.
04:22Yeah.
04:22I've got a guy who's sub-900 save percentage for his career, and in goal saved above expected, if you
04:28care about that, he's in the negative.
04:30For comparison, Alex Lyon, who is not an all-world goalie by any means.
04:37He's a journeyman backup.
04:39He's plus 20.
04:41He's above plus 20 for his career.
04:44So the numbers show, like, yeah, Lukanen's just not really that good.
04:48No, right.
04:49And I've got another season here where I feel like, well, I need him to be because, again, I'm counting
04:58on him.
04:58And he was drafted nine years ago to be the goalie of the future.
05:02And, like, when's the future?
05:03And I think many have decided now, like, there is no future.
05:07He's not ever going to be this team's lead goaltender and feel great about it.
05:11I think that's why everybody is where they're at with him at this point, is that that never came to
05:16fruition, and yet the organization continues to act like it has.
05:20Right.
05:20And continues to put him in position to go out there and be a No. 1 goalie when he is
05:25not.
05:26And when it's going to actively hurt the team, as it has this season, as it has in years past,
05:33not last year.
05:34But he's had years where he has hurt them pretty badly.
05:38And this year is off to a roaring start in that department.
05:41And I think that this town is a smart hockey town.
05:48People know the game enough to know what they're looking at and know when it's over and when you're not
05:57going to get anything else.
05:58And, I mean, I think that's where everybody's at with him.
06:02And that is before you get into the playoffs and him up and down and the bouncer from center ice
06:12and the Game 7 overtime winner and then the offseason rumors and thinking about what this team would look like
06:19with Connor Hellebuck and then not having that and then him having the start that he's had.
06:25And now Friedman confirming that he's blocked a Hellebuck trade and that all adds up to, yeah, dude, we don't
06:36want to watch you play anymore.
06:38Right.
06:38And I don't think that that's entirely unfair, but I think that the vitriol about it, the aggressiveness and how
06:48keyed in we are on it is probably disproportionate and unfair to him.
06:53But I think it's fair to not want him to be your goaltender anymore.
06:57I have.
06:58That's true.
06:59I think we are as locked in on every single goal and whether or not it was whether it was
07:06his fault totally, none at all, or like somewhere in between.
07:12It's a goal to goal conversation that I'm having with people, whether it's on we have our Lockdown Sabres Discord.
07:18We have group chats that are that.
07:20It's Twitter.
07:20Like every goal is, all right, after every goal that goes in, how much of that was UPL?
07:28And that's not healthy for really anybody.
07:31No.
07:31But it's, again, kind of the situation that they have signed themselves up for.
07:38And maybe you don't even want to say, I don't even want to say Yarmou for that.
07:41I'll go back years now.
07:42Like the extension Adams gave him after one good season.
07:46Right.
07:46And he's been inconsistent his entire career, so that was way too early to be doing that.
07:50So there's that.
07:51And there also is, well, what do you do instead?
07:56I said, as much as I have been wanting them to do something different than Lukanen for three years now.
08:03Like I was early on this.
08:05Maybe too early, you would even say.
08:06Like it was a couple years ago.
08:08I'm like, this is just not, I don't think this is ever going to happen with this guy.
08:12I was with you, though.
08:13Yeah, that's right.
08:14You were too.
08:14I just, the way he plays, the style is not conducive to consistent success.
08:22With that, I still said in the summer, if it's not Hellebuck, I don't see another move out there that
08:26I'd rather do.
08:27That I would upgrade from Lukanen with Lyon.
08:31Like I'm not getting rid of Lyon in any of these equations.
08:34Like he's got another year, I want him for that year, and then Ellis is just hanging out as the
08:38third guy.
08:39And I think the same is still probably true.
08:41I don't know who is out there right now.
08:45There isn't.
08:45I don't think anybody out there that would speak to, oh yeah, you bring this guy in right now,
08:52and he is going to be your number one goaltender, and you are going to improve in that area.
08:57Maybe you would just do it to do it with somebody different that's on the same level.
09:03So that is where I have gotten to a new place with this.
09:08Over the summer, I told you guys, everybody, a million times,
09:12I am not making a goalie move unless it breaks you out of this sort of middle of the NHL
09:20where there's a bunch of goalies that you don't really know what you're going to get.
09:22I don't think it's worth it to make a move, give up any kind of assets,
09:26to get to a guy that isn't that much better.
09:31I think you are now at a point where it's detrimental,
09:35and the environment is such that I think a move just to move on, it might be worth it.
09:43And is it a Vemelka for Lukonen, one for one, just swap him, same goalie, same contract, same everything.
09:50Just flip him because he's struggling in Utah.
09:53He might need to change the scenery, and I think Lukonen certainly does.
09:57Like, that's the kind of thing I'm thinking about now because I think that at this point,
10:03Lukonen is going to really have a hard time finding success here because of the fan environment,
10:08because of the pressure, because of all of that.
10:10That is where we've got to take a break, and I want to get to George's call on the other
10:14side.
10:15I'd love to hear from him or somewhere in the team, like, how much is that affecting him?
10:22I asked Yarmo that, and he basically said, like, you have to ask him because—
10:25Is that not telling you something?
10:29Maybe that he didn't answer the question because I feel like it might be being used as a crutch.
10:34This is what he is.
10:36He's an every-other-year goaltender, and this is the other year where he's usually bad.
10:40I don't think it has to be.
10:42It could be.
10:43I think it's not helping.
10:44It's definitely not helping.
10:46I guess what I'm saying is I think if fans were, like, 100% like, oh, no, it's okay, UPL.
10:51You're still, like, we're behind you.
10:53Like, we think this is going to turn around.
10:54Even if that was the case, I think he'd still probably be struggling.
10:56Yeah.
10:57To an extent, I agree with you.
10:59Because that's what he is.
11:00Yeah.
11:00You said he's consistent.
11:01The only consistent thing about him is that he's inconsistent.
11:03I think we're going to pull our hair out if he is their goalie for three years.
11:06Oh.
11:08Joe, I will jump out the window of the studio if he's their goalie next season.
11:13There's no way.
11:14I don't think that's happening.
11:15I do have an idea that is really risky that might be out there, but I want to hear what
11:20Owen thinks about it.
11:21We have a quick segment, so we'll get to George and maybe this idea, which we've got time for
11:25because the guy's not going to play for, like, two months.
11:27That's when we come back here on WGR.

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