00:05Bienvenidos a M2, soy Susana
00:07Moscatel. Hoy tenemos
00:09entrevistas de una película que
00:11a mí me parece que no se la
00:13deben perder. Particularmente
00:15si hace 16 años les impactó la
00:18película La Red Social o The
00:20Social Network. En ese entonces
00:22Aaron Sorkin escribió un script
00:24acerca de cómo Mark Zuckerberg
00:27consiguió crear Facebook y
00:29y bueno, a quién atropelló en el
00:31camino. Pero ahora 16 años
00:33después hay otra historia que
00:35contar y esta historia tiene que
00:37ver con lo que ya sabe la gente
00:39de Ahora Meta, la compañía dueña
00:42de Facebook, el nuevo nombre de
00:44la compañía de Facebook, teniendo
00:46también Instagram y sabiendo el
00:48daño que estaba generando en
00:50cuanto a la radicalización de la
00:52gente en temas políticos y
00:53sociales y los temas de salud
00:56mental con las mujeres muy
00:58jóvenes. Todo esto viene en esta
01:00cinta nueva que se llama The
01:03Social Reckoning. Esta vez no
01:05dirige David Fincher como el
01:06anterior, sino la escribe y la
01:08dirige Aaron Sorkin y platicamos
01:11con él, uno de mis escritores y no
01:13mi escritor favorito de cine al respecto
01:16de eso y de mucho más.
01:17This company and that guy are playing
01:20an unprecedented role in our lives.
01:23The fire hose of bad information
01:25you are injecting into the air
01:27supply is becoming jet power. I'm a
01:28free speech absolutist. I'm not the
01:30one who's lying and I'm not stopping
01:32them from seeing someone who is.
01:35Anxiety, depression of teenage
01:36girls got worse as a result of time
01:38spent on the platform. Senior
01:40leadership knows and is doing
01:42nothing. I know there are easier
01:43enemies to make. The mafia would be an
01:45easier enemy to make. Thank you once
01:48again for putting up these
01:50characters that are still idealists
01:52against even the most impossible
01:54polos. Is that still a priority for
01:57you? The priority for me is is
02:00telling a good story and engaging the
02:04audience, making sure the audience
02:06has a great experience in the movie
02:08theater. I tend to write about I like
02:12writing about heroes who don't have
02:14supernatural powers, heroes who don't
02:16wear capes and Francis Haugen fits
02:22that mold. Oh, totally. And, you know,
02:28as I was watching this and seeing the
02:30news and how everything's advanced, do
02:33you believe there's actually a social
02:35reckoning in real life catching up? I
02:38hope that it's starting. You know, just a
02:41couple of weeks ago, Meta announced this
02:44big settlement, $18 billion settlement.
02:49Thing is, it takes Meta nine days to
02:52make $18 billion. So, yes, David has
02:58picked up a rock and thrown it at Goliath.
03:01Maybe dinged Goliath a little bit, but
03:05Goliath is still coming to get us. Yes, yes.
03:08Goliath is actually more stronger than
03:11ever. But there's another thing we were
03:14when we left the screening, I was
03:16talking to my friends that are also
03:17very big fans of yours. And we were
03:19wondering, would the Barclay presidency
03:21handle this in a certain matter if it
03:24happened? And then the people from the
03:26newsroom and then people even from
03:28Studio 60, what would they do with this
03:30information? Does that ever come up in
03:32your head or is it just off your crazy
03:34pants?
03:39It doesn't come off my head when I'm
03:41writing. But, you know, maybe as I'm
03:44falling asleep at night.
03:46Well, I would certainly love to see like
03:48an extra world with all of that.
03:51But I'll give it some thought.
03:53Thank you. Thank you. If that ever
03:55happens, I'm going to be shouting out
03:57there. I believe this is the fourth
04:00movie now that you've directed.
04:02Does it change the way you put things
04:04on the page when you know you're going
04:05to be directing or is it exactly the
04:08same? Well, you know, as you said, this
04:10is the fourth. I've directed the last
04:11four movies that I've written, but this
04:13is the first time that I knew I was the
04:16director when I was writing it. With the
04:18first three, it was a surprise. I turned
04:20in the script and the studio said, you're
04:23not done yet. You're going to direct
04:24this. At first, at the beginning, yes, I
04:31was thinking too much about where am I
04:34going to put the camera? How am I going
04:36to stage this? That kind of thing. And
04:38then I told myself to stop. Write the way
04:40you write. Just write. Be the writer. And
04:44I did that and then worried about how I was
04:47going to stage it and where I was going to
04:48put the camera.
04:50Well, I think we still could tell it was
04:53you when somebody else was directing. So is
04:56there anything that you believe you did
04:58different now as a director?
05:00Uh-huh. Because I know people couldn't
05:02like skip a pause or they had to stick to
05:05the script, which we all appreciate. But
05:08now, is it different as a director?
05:11No, they still have to. They still have to
05:14do that. And if there's anything different,
05:18it's that I am learning on the job. I am
05:23becoming a better director. I wish I would
05:26learn faster.
05:28We were watching the meta glasses thing as
05:31well. And I believe that since you began
05:33writing, there's so many other things have
05:35come up. People are calling them the pervert
05:37glasses.
05:37Yeah, I just saw that. You know what? This film
05:43could have focused on any number of things. There
05:46are, I hope someone else writes a movie about the
05:49pervert glasses, et cetera. I wanted to focus
05:56simply on the area of Facebook making us angrier and
06:02more divided. Facebook's role in the rise of
06:05extremism and divisiveness and hyperpartisanship. Uh,
06:09uh, and, uh, that's what the film was about.
06:12Eso es Aaron Sorkin. A ver, ha hecho The West
06:16Wing, A Few Good Men, ya saben esa película donde Tom
06:19Cruz se enfrenta, Jack Nicholson, que hay por cierto,
06:21ahora es teatro nuevamente en Broadway, eh, The
06:24American President, eh, Sports Night, eh, gran, bueno,
06:29The Newsroom. Pero para esta película tenía que
06:32elegir, pues un nuevo elenco, porque Jesse Eisenberg no
06:35quiso volver a ser a Mark Zuckerberg. Dijo, ya no
06:37quiero que me relacionen con ese hombre. Está
06:40bien. Es Jeremy Strong. Con quienes hablamos, sin
06:43embargo, son con los verdaderos protagonistas de
06:45esta película, que son Mikey Madison, sí, la ganadora
06:49del Oscar por Anora, y Jeremy Allen White, lo
06:52conocemos por The Bear o por interpretar a Bruce
06:55Springsteen el año pasado en la película. Y bueno,
06:58ahora ellos son la mujer que reveló en la vida
07:02real, Francis Hogan, todo lo que estaba pasando con
07:05Facebook, y el periodista que hizo real esta información al
07:11mundo entero. A ver, ¿qué nos dijeron?
07:13Do you have an interest in social media? Not even a little bit. Look, I'm an investigative
07:18reporter, and that guy and this company are playing an unprecedented role in our lives.
07:22Start with a gentle nod to show engagement. Yeah, not so much, a little softer. Yeah.
07:31This is the journal's new Facebook detective. He's not looking for trouble. He's hunting for it. You
07:38can't use my name and this is all off the record. What would you like to talk about? I ran
07:41classifiers
07:42on political groups where 30% of content hits multiple risk factors. Hang on, I don't understand
07:46what you're saying. Aren't you a tech reporter? Ish. Ish? I would love to begin with you, Mikey, because
07:51what Francis did was short of heroic. And so many other things that happen so quickly, people tend to
07:59forget. I think doing this movie is going to keep her top of mind. Was that something important for you?
08:04Yeah, I found Francis to be an incredibly brave, heroic woman. And so that was one of the reasons I
08:15wanted to try to help tell the story. I deeply admire her. As do I. And Jeremy, journalism, good journalism,
08:25is truly under fire these days. Yeah. In so many ways. What part of playing Jeff?
08:33A real life, good journalist. What's most interesting to you in that sense?
08:40I mean, I think that was the biggest thing. I read the scripts. I believed in Jeff immediately.
08:46I wanted to spend time around Jeff. I thought his perspective was clear. He was in the pursuit of truth,
08:54which is, I think, the job of all good journalists. Even if the truth is inconvenient, even if the truth
09:02is
09:03a difficult thing to comprehend, that's what they're after. So that was really exciting to me. And I
09:12think, you know, it's interesting to think about Jeff. And if he got all the information that he
09:18wanted at the beginning of the film, you know, after Francis and Jeff's first meeting, you know, he might
09:25not have had any problem with Francis, like going in front of the world and explaining these things.
09:30But because of the time they spent together, because of the great care, I think that they eventually
09:35found for one another, Jeff felt incredibly protective of Francis. So once he got the story,
09:43once he got this thing that he'd been really like fighting for, for more than a year, he was so
09:50troubled by it. And so frightened, I think of Jeff getting in front of the world, sorry, of Francis
09:57getting in front of the world, that it concerned him, he took great pause. But yeah, look,
10:09I was incredibly excited about portraying a journalist at a newspaper like The Wall Street Journal,
10:22at a media company like The Wall Street Journal. Yeah, which is which is particularly interesting,
10:28because we're talking about one of the things that's sticking over instead of the media for
10:33informing people, which is Facebook, Instagram, even WhatsApp. I mean,
10:38we're not getting our news directly from journalists these days. So what would you say Francis's part in
10:47all of that right now is particularly important? Because she did give up a lot to be able to tell
10:55people all of this. Yeah, that's exactly right. Francis sacrificed so much just for the greater good of
11:05people that she doesn't even know. And that's incredibly, incredibly heroic and selfless. And
11:15I'm sorry, well, the second part of your question was...
11:18Yeah, it's basically, what was it about this that made it particularly interesting for you to play her,
11:26especially that the boy will get her permission now?
11:30Um, yeah, I mean, I like you said, she's incredibly heroic, and she had this really beautiful,
11:39um, very strong moral integrity. And so I've, I can't say that I've ever played a character
11:46with that kind of like purity and goodness in a way. And in terms of like her, um,
11:54her fight and what she believes in, uh, and so that was something that was interesting to me, interesting to
12:00me.
12:01Ya pueden ver este fin de semana, The Social Reckoning, y bueno, ya lo estaremos platicando mucho,
12:08mucho más. Muchas gracias por acompañarnos en este espacio de M2. Tenemos grandes entrevistas para cerrar el año,
12:14así que síganos acompañando aquí y en todos nuestros espacios. Hasta pronto.
12:31¡Gracias!
