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00:00Lovely to see you all. Hello, everybody. Hello, hello.
00:03You're all so welcome to the show.
00:06Thank you very much. That's very kind of you.
00:08We've got a great line-up tonight.
00:10I've got almost as many stars as celebrity traitors.
00:13And I promise not to murder any of them.
00:16I'm trying to think.
00:17Hey, singing for us later, look over there, it's Blossoms.
00:22They're performing the track Husband from their latest album.
00:25But first on my show tonight,
00:27this Tony and Golden Globe-winning star of stage and screen
00:29has played everything from an aspiring composer in Tick-Tick Boom
00:33to a betrayed Facebook founder in The Social Network
00:36and The Amazing Spider-Man in, now, The Amazing Spider-Man.
00:39Now, he stars the revolting peasant in Paul Greengrass' epic The Uprising.
00:44Please welcome Andrew Garfield!
00:49Thank you!
00:50Thank you!
00:53Thank you!
00:58This Welsh show to give a household name in The Darling Bugs of May,
01:02going on to an Oscar-winning career,
01:04starring in Chicago, The Mask of Zorro,
01:06and most recently as Morticia Adams in Wednesday.
01:10Now, she's going back to her Welsh roots
01:12in the action series Kill Jackie.
01:14It's Catherine Zeta-Jones!
01:18Yay!
01:22Hello!
01:23So good to see you!
01:24All right, all right, all right, all right.
01:25Give it in, give it in, give it in!
01:27All right, go!
01:32And, unbelievably, it is 50 years since this man first stepped into the boxing ring as Rocky Balboa,
01:39starting a career as one of Hollywood's greatest action heroes.
01:43His new memoir, The Steps, tells the fascinating story of his rise to superstardom.
01:47It is such a pleasure to welcome the great Sylvester Stallone!
02:09And I've seen everybody, sit yourselves down.
02:12You're all so welcome to the show.
02:14Lovely to see you all.
02:16Sylvester Stallone, presumably you have met everyone in show business.
02:19Have you met Catherine and Andrew before?
02:21You know what?
02:22Remind me.
02:22Did we ever, like, sort of pass by or no?
02:26What is this?
02:27She's looking at her like, I never...
02:29Well, let me tell you something.
02:31If you can't remember, I'm not upset at all.
02:35But...
02:35No, it's not about that.
02:38Oh, no, no, no!
02:41I had the pleasure of screen testing with you personally for Judge Dredd,
02:49and I didn't get the role, but...
02:50Excuse me.
02:51Wait, wait a minute.
02:52No, no, no, I did.
02:54No, but now I have Alzheimer's.
02:56No!
02:57On your show.
02:58Oh, yeah.
02:58It was one of those moments where, well, usually you never get to meet the star,
03:04you know, but I was shortlisted, and I was at the studio,
03:08and I was screen testing, and you were there.
03:11Oh, my God, really?
03:11And I have to say, it was one of the best.
03:14I was so starstruck, that's probably why I didn't get the role.
03:18Oh, no.
03:19But it was one of those wonderful moments where...
03:22Oh, no.
03:23..it's happened to be three times.
03:24With you, I screen test, and with Harrison Ford,
03:27I didn't get that one, but I did with Sean Connery.
03:30All right.
03:30There you go.
03:32It's a win-win situation.
03:34Always win-win.
03:37And, Vesta Zone, have you screen tested Andrew Garfield for a second?
03:40Yeah.
03:41You remember?
03:42Yes.
03:43It was Judge Dredd, you didn't get it.
03:44Yeah, I didn't get it.
03:45Yeah, because I was too nervous.
03:47And for Cliffhanger, and for Demolition Man, and for Rocky, and Creed.
03:51And Baby Rocky.
03:52Oh, Creed.
03:53Yeah, all of them.
03:55That's not good.
03:55Now, Katherine and Andrew, have you met?
03:57No.
03:58We haven't until just now.
03:59Just just now.
03:59Okay.
04:00And we're doing great, I think.
04:01Yeah.
04:03But now, I believe, Andrew, because you're so on it, you've done some research.
04:08So, I was so overwhelmed by the idea of being on the couch with two legends tonight, genuinely.
04:15I brushed up on my history with you both.
04:18And something I discovered that I didn't know is that the first two musicals you did when you were younger,
04:24the first two musicals I did when I was just starting out as well, 16, 17, Bugsy Malone, and then
04:2842nd Street.
04:29You're joking.
04:30And that's very strange.
04:31Yeah.
04:32Who's art?
04:32Who's art?
04:33I played Fat Sam, quite ironically.
04:36But I was very happy.
04:37I was Tallulah.
04:38Of course you fucking were.
04:42That, what are the odds of that?
04:44It's very, and then 42nd Street.
04:45And then 42nd Street.
04:46I played for two years here in London.
04:48And you were the understudy, and then you...
04:50I, oh, yeah.
04:51Is that right?
04:52You were second understudy.
04:53I was second understudy.
04:54This is an amazing showbiz story.
04:55You like this, like.
04:57Yeah.
04:58So, I was in the chorus.
04:59I was 17 years old.
05:01And I was second understudy within three months of me being, you know, in the show.
05:07Second understudies rarely get on, you know.
05:10But this particular week, the lead actress was on holiday.
05:15The first understudy had hurt a knee, and I was thrown on.
05:19And it just happened that David Merrick, the show's producer, the old, you know, Broadway producer,
05:26was in the audience looking at his shows, and cast me in the lead role when I was 17 for
05:32two years.
05:33But the story of 42nd Street is...
05:37Is?
05:37Yeah.
05:37The star breaks her foot, and the chorus girl gets thrown on.
05:42So, it was one of those that happened to me, it was a true life thing.
05:45And it's positive.
05:45No, we have something in common.
05:47You said David Merrick was the producer?
05:49I delivered sandwiches to him when I was working together.
05:53For real.
05:56Wow.
05:57I swear to God.
05:58I actually wrote a short play about it.
06:01Yeah.
06:01That's terrible.
06:02That's amazing.
06:03I won't tell you.
06:04Oh, I got to take advantage of this.
06:06And was that one of those things when you were delivering sandwiches where you were kind of, like, lingering in
06:10the office in case somebody spotted you?
06:12You mean, like, laying across the doorstep?
06:15No, this is, like, a big deal.
06:17Because, you know, the actor, you know, they come up and say the purgatory that actors have to go through,
06:25it's really endless.
06:27It's really amazing what actors have to go through.
06:30Seriously, like, the chances of a guy or a woman getting discovered or having a long career is 98%
06:39against.
06:40Think about that.
06:42Like, you have more of a chance of walking on the moon without a helmet.
06:46So, you take advantage.
06:48You see David Merck.
06:50Hey.
06:51Hey.
06:52Hey.
06:53Hey.
06:54Hey.
06:58That's really funny.
07:00Wow.
07:01Talking of show business, Andrew, your hair, beautiful, by the way.
07:06I love it.
07:06Beautiful.
07:07I love it.
07:08I love it.
07:10But it's for, it's for, you are making a great showbiz story.
07:14I wanted to ask you guys about, I'm playing Roy Horn of Siegfried and Roy.
07:18You might.
07:19I knew him.
07:19Of course.
07:20Yeah.
07:21I want to know the story.
07:22So, I'm playing Roy and it was for, it's an Apple show.
07:26Jude Law is playing Siegfried and it's fantastic.
07:28Oh, my God.
07:29And it's like seven parts.
07:30And yeah, I grew it out because he had this long, luscious hair and then we ended up just putting
07:34a wig of the exact same black man.
07:37Because we go throughout the decades and there's lots of different, he changed his hair a lot.
07:42What a crazy.
07:43I met them.
07:43I could never believe that these German guys ended up on this huge show in Vegas, like the biggest show
07:50with all those tigers and the illusion.
07:52It was the craziest thing.
07:53I went backstage to meet them once.
07:55And did you, did you know them, know them, Sylvester?
07:57Like the David Merrick story?
07:59Yeah.
07:59I happen to have that.
08:00Of course you do.
08:01Come on, Sylvester.
08:01Come on.
08:02So, I just finished like Rocky II and they invite me to the show and I'm there.
08:06They said, come on up to the apartment between shows.
08:09I said, yeah, sure.
08:09And I'm up there and, you know, I'm, oh my God, excuse me, do you have a men's room?
08:14And I go, of course, just through the bedroom and there it is.
08:17So, I go, ciao.
08:19Oh, boy.
08:19I walk in and there's a frigging white tiger.
08:24Now, you ever hear a tiger breathe?
08:26It is like, yeah.
08:27It's, oh, and it yawns.
08:31And I see, Steve, guess what?
08:33The bathroom disappeared.
08:35All of a sudden, everything went back into my system.
08:40For real.
08:41Thank you for everything.
08:45Very good.
08:46Listen, let's get started.
08:48Sylvester Stallone comes tonight not as a movie star, but as an author.
08:52His new memoir is called The Steps.
08:54I've got a copy of it here.
08:56It is out now.
08:59And so, the idea is this covers a really specific part of your life.
09:03Again, it's like the performer's journey, which is always, you know, quite original and different.
09:10You know, it's that kind of a thing.
09:11So, I thought, you know, wow, what am I sticking around for?
09:15I mean, if I don't pass it on, like the experience to perhaps up and coming artists, like this is
09:21what you need to go through, at least what I went through to achieve my goal.
09:25So, I wanted to put it on the page.
09:27And as I was saying to you, like, a lot of this story, only you know.
09:30Oh, yeah.
09:31Only you know.
09:32I mean, so, you know, and people often say that thing, oh, we were born, we were poor, we were
09:37kids.
09:38Right, right.
09:38And you were really poor when you were kids.
09:39It was pretty bad.
09:40Yeah.
09:40Yeah.
09:40It was.
09:41It was, like, really bad.
09:43Yeah.
09:43But I really think that all contributes to it.
09:46It was a tough upbringing.
09:47I used to go, oh, woe is me.
09:49But when I think about it, that's what you draw on.
09:53Yeah.
09:54Like, if everything, oh, he was born in Beverly Hills and he had a Rolls Royce when he was 16.
09:59You know, it's kind of hard to conjure up that.
10:01Yeah.
10:02And before you get to the ricing and performing, there are some interesting diversions along the way.
10:09So you weren't doing well in school.
10:11No.
10:12So what did they suggest you do then?
10:14Do you remember this?
10:16No.
10:17It seems unlikely now, but you went to beauty school, didn't you?
10:20Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
10:22My father was a beautician, which hands is big, like five bananas connected with foam.
10:28I don't know how he became a beautician.
10:30So he goes, hey, you're a moron.
10:33Why don't you get a job?
10:35Why don't you get a moron with me?
10:37You know, that kind of thing.
10:38And I couldn't.
10:40So I go to beauty school, and it's interesting because everyone in beauty school is literally
10:46at the last rung of society.
10:48They're desperate.
10:49It's like, oh, yeah, I'm nine months pregnant.
10:52I've just got to have a Hell's Angel again.
10:53It's a very different group.
10:56They're not like, hey, healthy people, they're weird.
10:59Because after the pin curls and everything during the day, at night, they get a little
11:06loaded.
11:07Can I shave your head?
11:08You know, why don't you have a green eyebrow?
11:10They just do that stuff.
11:13Metallic rinses.
11:14And I go, you know, I think I'm not really cut out for this.
11:17Only because I had no gifted hands, but that was it for a while.
11:21Listen, there's so many stories in the book, and we've got to, you know, if you want to
11:24hear all the stories, buy the book.
11:26But you end up in New York, and you're trying to be discovered, you're writing screenplays.
11:31You end up writing the screenplay that everybody wants.
11:34Rocky.
11:35Yeah.
11:35But everyone wants it, but you...
11:37I know.
11:39But...
11:41Yeah.
11:43But...
11:44And this is...
11:46This is where...
11:47This is where it takes on a kind of a sort of showbiz myth quality.
11:51Yeah.
11:52So everyone wants to buy a screenplay.
11:53You would think already, great, I'm successful.
11:56But you have one condition.
11:57I wanted to play Rocky, and they went over a dead body.
12:01Really.
12:01And I totally understand that.
12:03I was as green as they get.
12:05I wasn't like a leading man.
12:06I had very little acumen about the process.
12:10How old were you, Louis?
12:11Um, probably...
12:12Well, actually, as you know, there's kind of a cutoff point to make it in Hollywood.
12:18Like, usually, if you're not somewhere by the time you're 28, 29, it's kind of hard to make it in
12:24your 30s.
12:24Would you agree?
12:25Yeah, yeah.
12:25That's right, yeah.
12:25So I'm like 29 and three quarters.
12:28I'm right there.
12:29I'm telling you, at the tipping point.
12:31Yeah.
12:31So we're sitting there, and he goes, no, no, we don't want you.
12:34And then this...
12:35And for some reason, that's why I think this is divine intervention, the price keeps going up.
12:41And they go...
12:42And then my agent goes, don't be a moron.
12:44My lawyer's like, are you insane?
12:45So I got some 30, to 60, to 100, to 200, to 260.
12:51Now, I had...
12:53I didn't have a dime.
12:54And I have a wife who's pregnant, a dog that literally doesn't want to talk to me anymore.
12:59So I'm down, like, Jesus.
13:02I'd pick a horrible guy to, you know...
13:04Take the money.
13:05Yeah.
13:06And it got up to some ridiculous height.
13:09And they go...
13:10And I'm literally...
13:10I had people screaming at me, like...
13:12Yeah.
13:13So I got up to 360, which is, in that time...
13:16Wow.
13:17Yeah.
13:17360 in 1976.
13:19I mean...
13:19Yeah.
13:20Crazy.
13:20It was, like, two and a half million bucks.
13:21But, you know, I realized that I was never going to make it.
13:26There was...
13:27I was always going to be the thug, the third guy through the door.
13:30I was...
13:31I mugged Jack Lemmon.
13:33I mugged David Carradine.
13:34I mugged Woody Allen.
13:35Their handwriting was on the wall.
13:37Okay?
13:39But Rocky...
13:39I thought I would have a Hugh Grant career.
13:41I go, nah.
13:42Rocky was one of those movies that you remember the first time you see it.
13:47You know?
13:47And it stays with you.
13:49There's very few movies that come around where you go...
13:53Remember the first time you screamed Adrian.
13:55You know?
13:56I remember I was...
13:57I was much younger than you.
13:59Yeah, for sure.
14:00But, um, I remember being...
14:02Tears in my eyes going, she's there!
14:05You just...
14:05She's there!
14:07It's...
14:07It's a formative film of our generation.
14:11And I guess it is a...
14:12Like, what you did was nuts.
14:15But wait, I need to know what happened.
14:16Because you were about to say...
14:18Because, like, what made you decide...
14:20Sorry, Graham.
14:21No, no!
14:21Go!
14:22I'm so sorry.
14:23I'm just like...
14:24Find a book, Andrew.
14:25Shut up.
14:29No, you're allowed.
14:30Ask.
14:33So I'm thinking that I'm taking everyone down with me.
14:37I mean, if...
14:38If they finally walk away, which I was expecting them to leave,
14:42I literally have blown everyone's life around me.
14:45I've taken everyone because of my ego or whatever it was.
14:48But I just knew that, you know, you make it just...
14:52It's just everything that you have.
14:54An actor, like, you know, your weaknesses, your strengths.
14:57So I try to put everything in there.
14:59And the fact that this is a broken-down guy.
15:03And there's, to me, nothing's worse in the world than being saddled with loneliness.
15:08Mm-hmm.
15:09Like, you, your entire life meant nothing.
15:12Mm-hmm.
15:12You've just taken up space.
15:14Mm-hmm.
15:14Until the next poor guy comes along.
15:17And I said, I'm never going to find this again.
15:19Mm-hmm.
15:19So I literally went out in the backyard, and I was, like, ranting at a guy.
15:24I said, give me some strength.
15:25And I pounded in the ground.
15:26And I come back in, and my hand is killing me.
15:29And the phone rings.
15:31Mm-hmm.
15:32And, you know, yo, Sly.
15:34You know, I made it.
15:35They go, how you doing, Sly?
15:37It was the kind of...
15:37I had a guy from the Bronx.
15:39Hey, sit down!
15:40I go, yeah.
15:41He goes...
15:42I go, they left.
15:43They quit.
15:43They told me to F off.
15:44He goes, you got the part.
15:46You can play hockey.
15:47And I went, oh, my God.
15:49And I literally went down.
15:52Like, down.
15:55It worked.
15:57Yeah, really.
15:58Hit the ground.
15:59And to say it worked out is an understatement.
16:01Because there you were.
16:02It won best picture at the Oscars.
16:04That's incredible.
16:05I mean...
16:09That doesn't mean...
16:10I mean, that happened.
16:12That turnaround in your life was so fast.
16:14You must have been, like, dizzy the night at the Oscars.
16:17No, really dizzy.
16:18Actually, still.
16:19Is it weird to say that I'm, like, proud of you?
16:22It's, like, so odd.
16:24I'm saying I'm, like, so proud of you.
16:26But it is, I mean, as actors, you know,
16:28it is that weird that, you know, you take,
16:30you place a bet on yourself.
16:32Well, the knowing that you're talking about,
16:34like, against all odds.
16:35Just, like, the fact that you had that voice saying,
16:37you've got to hold on.
16:38This is it.
16:39I know.
16:40You either cross that bridge or just die on it.
16:43Because there was no, I mean, I was never going to make it.
16:46For sure.
16:47There was no chance.
16:47It was like this or nothing.
16:49And that's why just the stars aligned and a miracle.
16:54A miracle.
16:55And for you, Catherine, you know, that trajectory of,
17:01you know, being back in Wales doing youth theatre,
17:04and then there you are at the Oscars winning an Oscar for Chicago.
17:09Yes?
17:12I mean, that must be such, like, just validation on an extraordinary scale.
17:17I think, like, as, you know, Sylvester said, you know,
17:21that we have an inherent, it's a dream big, you know.
17:24It's an inherent thing that actors have that,
17:26when they knock you down, they knock you down, you know,
17:29you, like, you just pounce back up and you say,
17:32come on, bring it on and take it again.
17:33Exactly.
17:34Because you're just so passionate about your craft.
17:37Yeah.
17:37And so when that happened to me, the Oscars,
17:40I couldn't have, I couldn't, I didn't dream that big, you know.
17:44Right.
17:44But it was one of those, again, everything was aligned.
17:47I was able to do singing and dancing in a great executed musical
17:52on celluloid, which, I mean, they're either really good
17:55or they're really bad, you know.
17:57And really rare.
17:58Yeah, and rare.
17:59And it was a wonderful experience.
18:01And often we might have a guest on the show who I can't talk to
18:04at this point because they haven't been to the Oscars,
18:05but happily...
18:06Oh, my God, you have been.
18:08I just remembered.
18:09You've also been.
18:10Yes, you have.
18:11Many times.
18:14And for you, for you, it must be a lovely, lovely memory
18:18because you got to take your mum.
18:20I took my mum, yes.
18:21I took both my parents the first time I went for a film
18:26called Hacksaw Ridge and my dad was a...
18:29Yeah, that's true.
18:33My dad worked in L.A. and he was obsessed.
18:37When he was younger, in his 20s, when he was raising me
18:39and my brother, we were living and working in L.A.
18:43and he had, like, a moving company in L.A.
18:46And he had a secret desire to be a screenwriter.
18:48He never followed that dream.
18:50We are the unmet dreams of our parents, I think, in some way.
18:53But he never really told me that until later in his life.
18:55And he would tell me the story of driving past the Fox lot
18:58and imagining, oh, what's going on in there?
19:01I want to be a part of that so much.
19:04And I had a surprise for him the night before
19:06because there's this night-before party
19:07that always happens at a specific place.
19:10And I said to my mum and dad, I was like,
19:11so there's a party I want to take you guys to.
19:14And we're just driving through L.A.
19:16He's telling stories from every block and every corner.
19:18Well, this is where I moved that person.
19:20This is where I did that.
19:21And he was like, oh, we're coming up to the Fox lot.
19:22I was like, yeah, tell the story about the Fox lot
19:24and the blah, blah, blah.
19:25And we get to the Fox lot and we turn in to the Fox lot.
19:28Right, right.
19:28And the gate's open and he's like, what's happening?
19:31I'm like, well, this is where the party is, Pops.
19:33And he just looks at me and he starts sobbing.
19:38It was so beautiful to be able to give him...
19:42Because he sacrificed so much for me and my brother
19:45to be able to have the lives that we have
19:48and to be able to give him back just a little bit of that.
19:50And then my mum got so drunk.
19:54She never drank. She wasn't a big drinker.
19:56She would have, like, half a glass of wine if she was anybody's.
19:59And she... Not literally.
20:03She was a faithful woman.
20:04But that night she happened to be Jack Black's.
20:07Jack Black...
20:09Jack Black just grabbed her.
20:11I don't know how it happened,
20:12but they were dancing together on the dance floor.
20:14My dad was kind of there and I was kind of there,
20:16but it was mostly her and Jack Black.
20:18And Jack Black was so...
20:19So tell me, is it nature or is it nurture?
20:23Because you must be so proud of him.
20:25And she was a very demure, very retiring, shy Essex girl, my mum.
20:30She grabs Jack Black's lapels and goes,
20:32It's me, it was all me.
20:37Very good.
20:39Now, Catherine Zeta-Jones is coming home, everybody.
20:44Yes, she plays Jackie Price in the new crime series,
20:48Kill Jackie.
20:49It's streaming on Prime Video from today.
20:52And it's so fun.
20:54I was like, you are so good in it.
20:56Before we get into it, let's have a little taste of Kill Jackie.
21:05Congratulations on the series.
21:09It's such a gift of a part.
21:12Tell us about Jackie Price.
21:14Well, I read a book.
21:15I was given a book by my producer.
21:17A 300-page book, which I read.
21:20And there's not one female character in it.
21:22And I was like, whoa, whoa, wait, wait, wait, wait.
21:24So Jack, it was called The Price You Pay.
21:27It's a marvellous book.
21:28But Jack, we made into Jackie,
21:30who was living and made a lot of money in the dark underworld
21:33of the drug scene.
21:35Got very good at it.
21:37Got into dealing with art in a dubious way.
21:41Tax-free, free ports, in and out of RG.
21:44And she thinks, and now someone is after her.
21:47There's seven demons after her.
21:48Seven psychopathic assassins are after her.
21:50And she thinks her past has come back to haunt her.
21:53So when I, this was early days where I just had the book
21:56and we started creating the scripts.
21:58And I had this epiphany.
21:59I woke up and I went, Jackie Price is Welsh.
22:05Jackie Price is not only Welsh, she's from Swansea.
22:09Never been to the Mumbles, it's too posh down there.
22:13She's Welsh.
22:13So I told my producers, they were like, really Welsh?
22:16Huh, interesting.
22:18So anyway, she was Welsh in my head.
22:21And then once that clicked in, she became the part that...
22:26Because it's crazy.
22:27I mean, it's high octane energy.
22:29Right.
22:29She's crazy.
22:31She's really crazy.
22:34And it was one of those parts where, you know,
22:38I'm 50, I just got my birthday in 57,
22:40to have that happy birthday.
22:43Happy birthday.
22:43Right.
22:45Yeah.
22:48But to have that kind of role where I get to...
22:52The first time you see me, I knock someone out with a glass bowl
22:56and bite his ear off.
22:57It was...
22:58It was...
22:58It was satisfying, to say the least.
23:01Yes.
23:02And also, you seem like you're having such fun in it.
23:04And I wonder, is part of that because...
23:06Is this the first time you've ever acted using your own accent?
23:10First time in my life.
23:11Wow.
23:12Isn't that mad?
23:12Well, actually...
23:13You can clap.
23:17Wales!
23:18Wales!
23:19Okay, okay, okay.
23:20Actually, I've done Dylan Thomas, you know.
23:22Oh, yeah.
23:23Tony Hopkins directed me in that.
23:24And then I just did another film with Anthony Hopkins
23:27called Visit to Grandpa, which is an adaptation of...
23:29That's not a movie.
23:30But before that, I'd never even...
23:34I'd never shot in Wales.
23:36Wow.
23:36I've shot all over the world.
23:37Malaysia, you know, Australia, everywhere.
23:41But I've never even filmed in Wales.
23:44And going home, Graham...
23:46I'm going to cry.
23:47Going home was just so incredibly wonderful.
23:51I'm going to cry.
23:52I'm going to cry.
23:54To see people in the...
23:56You know, waving.
23:59Waving, you know...
23:59Wait a minute.
24:00Did you bring those?
24:01Yeah.
24:03I've never seen them before in my life.
24:04Sorry.
24:05Waving out of the window, you know.
24:06Welcome home, Kath.
24:08What are you doing?
24:09How's you, ma'am?
24:10You know, it was really...
24:12It wasn't a full circle, because I'm just getting started again.
24:16But it was very, very fulfilling again.
24:19And you talk about the fights, and they are extraordinary.
24:22Like, that...
24:22The ear-biting scene is amazing.
24:25So what was that?
24:26Presumably, you didn't actually bite them in the ear.
24:29No.
24:30No.
24:31But it was, um...
24:33It was really gross.
24:34I really have to...
24:34It was a piece of latex.
24:36You don't have to say anything you don't want to say.
24:37It was a lobe.
24:38It was a big piece of lobe.
24:41Latex.
24:42And then I had to drink this red...
24:45Very, you know, healthy, they said.
24:48Drink.
24:49Swish it around.
24:51And...
24:51I tell you something.
24:52I got...
24:53I'm really good at doing that stuff.
24:55The director said, hey, see that actor?
24:58Can you just spit the earlobe, like, in that area?
25:02I went, yeah.
25:05All in one.
25:06Take after take after take after take after take.
25:09It was...
25:09It landed.
25:10And even, like, did a little roll and I...
25:13APPLAUSE
25:15Cos...
25:15You're...
25:16You're a kind of big holiday break, the Mask of Zorro.
25:19Yeah.
25:20Were you doing all the sword fights?
25:22Would you...?
25:22Yes, that was.
25:23Rob Anderson was an Olympian and we trained for, um, three months.
25:28It was...
25:28It was really quick though.
25:29No, we didn't say it was three months.
25:31It was like three weeks we trained.
25:33But we trained all the way through the six month shoot.
25:36So when we got to the scene with Antonio Banderas.
25:38Yeah.
25:38I loved...
25:39I loved that.
25:40I was so lucky to be able to...
25:41That was like the big break for me in America.
25:43But was being a dancer make that easier to learn those choreographed fights?
25:46Yes.
25:46It does.
25:47Because it's like love scenes and stunt scenes are like dancing.
25:50It's all choreographed.
25:52Yeah.
25:52You know, it really is.
25:53Yeah.
25:54I put my hand here.
25:55You put your hand here.
25:56Or...
25:57I go there and...
25:59You know, it's all one of the same really.
26:02Because in terms of, you know, fights and stunts, we had Tom Cruise on the show last week
26:06who, you know, famously does all the stunts.
26:07But before, long before Tom, in Rambo, those big things...
26:12You were doing most of those stunts yourself, weren't you?
26:14Yeah, unfortunately I did.
26:17I'm paying for it, trust me.
26:19Yeah.
26:20I tell you, don't do...
26:22Like, there is a morale, don't do your own stunts.
26:25Because after you turn 60, you're going to grow a hump here.
26:28Your hand's going to curl up.
26:30It catches up to you, you know what I mean?
26:32Yeah, yeah, yeah.
26:32Because, you know, obviously you were in great shape in Rocky.
26:35Yeah.
26:36But to see your body transform in Rambo, is that when you kind of pulled the ripcord
26:40and just decided to get...
26:41Yeah, you know, it's kind of a thing that you...
26:43Like, that's...
26:44Look at that.
26:45Yeah.
26:45That's...
26:48You guys are skinny bastards.
26:51Yeah, the thing is, why I took my shirt off, because you're getting burnt and bit and the whole thing.
26:58You know, like...
26:59Guys don't run around like this in the jungle.
27:01No, he's not too bright.
27:06That guy went to beauty school for sure.
27:09That's a beautician.
27:14Right, let's move on to cause Andrew Garfield brings us an epic historical drama.
27:19It's called The Uprising.
27:20It's in cinemas from next Friday.
27:22That's October the 9th.
27:23And here is a taste of the trailer.
27:26The Uprising.
27:33It's an extraordinary story.
27:35My excuse is I grew up in Ireland, so I knew nothing about this story.
27:40Yeah, yeah.
27:40So, tell us about the Peasants' Revolt and the part your character plays in.
27:45Yeah, just a quick history lesson.
27:46If you could.
27:47If you could.
27:47The year was.
27:48The year was 1381.
27:50No, I think a lot of us learnt...
27:51A lot of those English people, British people learnt it in school.
27:54But I think it was from the perspective of the people who won, which is like the King
27:59and John of Gaunt and the people that crushed the ordinary folk.
28:04So this is a story, and it's directed by Paul Greengrass, one of my favourite filmmakers of all time.
28:08I remember seeing you in 1993 when I was in drama school, and I was alone in my local cinema,
28:13and I was screaming at the screen.
28:15He's a filmmaker that puts you right in the middle.
28:17He was a documentarian first, and now he's made Captain Phillips, The Bourne movies.
28:23He's just an incredible, incredible filmmaker.
28:25So he's training his talents on this first popular uprising that happened in England in 1381.
28:32And it's a population that's coming out of the Black Death, which wiped out 50% of Europe.
28:40And taxes were being raised.
28:43There was a small group of very, very powerful people, oligarchs, that were controlling all of the wealth,
28:48and all of the power, and kind of hoarding it for themselves.
28:52And there was a huge gap between them and the common folk.
28:55And people's souls were getting squeezed to the point of saying, there's something deeply wrong.
29:02I'm not being treated with any dignity.
29:04I have no dignity left.
29:06So I'm going to fight to change the world.
29:08I'm going to fight to put the world in order.
29:09And it was a proper communal effort.
29:12And it was a very, very inspiring and complicated story.
29:16And it feels like it does have some kind of political, I don't know, mirror image reflection for the times
29:25we're in.
29:25It feels like a very...
29:26I read the script, and it's hard to find scripts right now that feel like talk to the very confused,
29:33very, very difficult and disparate divided times we're in.
29:37And this felt like a bit of a cry of the soul.
29:39And I'm very excited to share it with people.
29:42But also, it's kind of in the vein of a Braveheart or a Gladiator.
29:46There's kind of like an epic action sweep to it with big, epic feelings in the centre of it as
29:53well.
29:53And there are big set action pieces and big battles and things like that.
29:57But then there are quieter moments.
29:59I was very impressed by your ploughing.
30:02Because...
30:02Well, you want to do real ploughing.
30:04And you're doing it.
30:05And honestly, I was watching and I think that's a very straight line.
30:08That's very...
30:10That's...
30:10You know what I mean?
30:11Yeah.
30:11Because there are...
30:12There aren't many people to speak.
30:14It's a lost art.
30:15Yeah.
30:15Yeah, it's a lot.
30:16Exactly.
30:17It's a lost art.
30:17It is a lost art.
30:19It is a lost art.
30:20Even like, it's so much of a lost art that I...
30:24I was working...
30:25See the rump of the ox there?
30:28Oh, yes.
30:28This is an ox called Prince.
30:31And he was a beautiful boy.
30:33He was a really good boy.
30:34And I worked with him for three weeks to just bond.
30:40And...
30:40Because, you know, I'm playing a character that's lost his wife,
30:43lost his...
30:43Lost his kids.
30:44So, like, all he has left really is his ox.
30:47Um...
30:48And I...
30:48It's big and warm.
30:49And honestly...
30:49And the ox was the main source of central heating at that time.
30:53The ox would sleep in the house with me during medieval time.
30:56Me.
30:57I'm an actor.
30:58I'm an actor wearing a watch.
31:00Like, what am I talking about?
31:01Um...
31:01It's not me.
31:02Um...
31:03But anyway...
31:04Uh...
31:05I worked with the ox.
31:06We were plowing every day for three weeks.
31:08He was pulling that straight line.
31:10He was really, really good boy.
31:12I gave him a lot of hay and carrots.
31:14And he was...
31:15We had an amazing time.
31:16And there's something that happened on...
31:18When the cameras arrived.
31:20And it was time for him to just do the fucking plowing.
31:23I think he...
31:25He kind of became cognizant of the fact...
31:27That technology has evolved.
31:30I think he realised...
31:32Why am I plowing?
31:35It's 2025.
31:39You have machinery.
31:43I...
31:43I'm a modern ox.
31:45I'm better than this.
31:46I'm not...
31:46I'm not...
31:47I'm not...
31:47I didn't...
31:48I didn't consent.
31:49Yeah.
31:50I didn't sign any contracts.
31:52It's the oxen revolt.
31:54A revolt of Prince.
31:55Yeah.
31:56There is a sign of...
31:57And you're talking of farms and farm animals.
32:00Of course, the...
32:01In this country, the thing that catapulted you to fame
32:05was the Darling Buds of May.
32:06Which you must have had to work with...
32:08Yeah, I know.
32:10You must have had to work with so many animals on that.
32:13Yeah, we did.
32:14We were down in a village called Pleckley in Kent.
32:19And we...
32:19And then we...
32:20And that host house, that farm, we spent months there.
32:22Yeah, we had everything.
32:24Yeah.
32:24I was a horse lover.
32:25Mariette Larkin was.
32:26Yeah, but...
32:26We had these geese that were just nasty, man.
32:29They used to be...
32:30Yeah.
32:30Geese are nasty.
32:32They chase you around and try and snap at your legs.
32:34They...
32:35They eat bulldogs.
32:36I mean, they're tougher than they look.
32:38They look goofy.
32:39Now, they'll take you behind the barn and beat the hell out of you.
32:44Swans, geese, ducks.
32:45We had serious issues with the geese, yeah.
32:47Yeah.
32:48A cameraman would drop the camera and go running off into the bluebell woods.
32:53And just to go back to the steps for a moment, the actual steps...
32:57No, no.
32:58There's a link to animals.
32:59The actual steps in Rocky when you're filming that.
33:02Right.
33:02So that scene was supposed to be very different.
33:04It was quite different because I...
33:06First of all, it was hard to get up them in the beginning because we were jumping...
33:10We were stealing scenes.
33:11It was non-union.
33:12And we had union guys coming after us.
33:15They eventually caught us and put sand in the generator.
33:18But it was right before they caught us.
33:20And I remember I was there.
33:22I think it was 11, 12 years old.
33:23And these steps really looked like literally you were in heaven.
33:26So I said, okay, let's run here, run by a boat, run down the train tracks.
33:30Let's go to the steps.
33:32So I go, okay, Rocky's getting strong now.
33:34I need something to demonstrate how powerful he's become.
33:38So we got a bull mastiff.
33:40Bull mastiff is the size of your cow.
33:43Yeah.
33:43It was literally like picking up another four-legged man.
33:48It was huge.
33:49So I go...
33:52God damn!
33:54Oh, my God!
33:55I had like two steps.
33:56I go, is that a hernia or is that a new muscle?
33:59What's that bump coming from?
34:01And I thought, what would have been so dumb if it had worked,
34:04like running over the dog?
34:06But the dog is bigger than me.
34:08I was reading about it and going, okay,
34:10well, he couldn't run up steps carrying a dog.
34:12And then I saw a picture of you and Butkus the dog.
34:16I mean, that is a lot of dogs.
34:19Like his paws, like damn, snowshoes.
34:22And was he your dog?
34:23Oh, yeah.
34:24What was his name?
34:24That's the one I had to sell.
34:26What was his name?
34:27Butkus, which is an interesting look.
34:30Butkus was a very famous football player who was terrifying.
34:34And he was legendary.
34:36Dick Butkus.
34:37So...
34:40You'd have to grow up to be terrifying.
34:43But I got into it.
34:44So I'm in Hollywood now, coming out of Four Seasons Hotel,
34:49and there's this guy going, hey!
34:53You think I look like a dog?
34:56Dick Butkus.
34:57It looks like him!
35:00And I said, only because it's so brave and fearless and ferocious.
35:04And then he goes, all right.
35:08You know what I mean?
35:09A size 12 head.
35:13I don't think you put it in the football shirt.
35:15I didn't know he was going to plant me right there.
35:16Like, boom.
35:18No, he was.
35:19But of course, I don't know about you,
35:21but every time I have a great time on a movie...
35:24It's not so good.
35:25It bombs.
35:26Every time I'm miserable.
35:28Like, I know that shoot was miserable.
35:30Yeah, it was tough.
35:31It's really tough.
35:32What he did, guys, outdoors, there's no hotel.
35:36Yeah, it's tough.
35:36It's miserable.
35:37There's bugs.
35:39And that's the ones that are successful.
35:41Yeah.
35:41Yeah.
35:42Well, I hope you're having a horrible time tonight.
35:46Very good.
35:47Fingers crossed.
35:48Very good.
35:50And right, it is time for music.
35:52Since dressing on the scene ten years ago,
35:54this Brit-nominated Stockport band have had four number one albums.
35:58Here performing husband from their new album,
36:00Songs from the Wedding Cake.
36:01Please welcome, Blossoms.
36:04Thank you so much.
36:05Tom, are you coming over?
36:07Joe?
36:08Tom and Joe are coming over.
36:09Here you go.
36:11Mind the step.
36:11Mind the step.
36:12Don't let me see you again.
36:13Welcome back.
36:14There you go.
36:15Andrew and Pat.
36:16We've learned the best series.
36:18Andrew and Pat, we've learned the best series.
36:21There you go.
36:22Good evening.
36:23Have you seen you?
36:24Lovely.
36:24There you go.
36:25Oh, yeah.
36:27You have to take the hand of greatness.
36:29There you go.
36:31Thank you so much for that.
36:32Yeah, you've earned your drink.
36:33Get it down.
36:34That was fantastic.
36:35That is from the brand new album, which is out today.
36:40Songs from the Wedding Cake.
36:41There it is in vinyl.
36:43Looking good.
36:48Apart from providing you with some really cool artwork, why the name of the album?
36:54So a lot of the songs were about where I'm at in my life now.
36:58I'm married a man of 33.
37:00Congratulations.
37:00Yeah.
37:01Yeah.
37:02And then I was writing songs, and once you've got a few songs together, you're then trying
37:07to find something to encapsulate the whole thing.
37:10So I had a song called Joke About Divorce.
37:14And then Husband.
37:16So I was like, okay, there's a bit of a theme there, isn't there?
37:19Yeah.
37:20So I was like, it needs to kind of, something needs to sum that up.
37:23And I liked the songs from Idea in my head, but I didn't have the, where's it from?
37:28And I got married at Stockport Town Hall, and it's nickname, because it's a tiered kind
37:33of shape, isn't it?
37:34There you go.
37:34Oh, there it is.
37:35It's nickname is The Wedding Cake, so that's why it's called Songs from The Wedding Cake.
37:38So it's technically songs from Stockport Town Hall, basically.
37:40OK.
37:41It's not as good, though.
37:43It sounds better.
37:45I think you made the right choice.
37:46I did.
37:47But you guys, like, you've taken the wedding theme quite seriously.
37:51Very seriously, yeah.
37:52So how many weddings have you performed at now?
37:54Yeah, so we crashed about, was it three?
37:56Yeah.
37:57Yeah, we crashed three weddings in the back of a van.
38:00Now.
38:00Before, yeah, it was mine.
38:01But people have asked you to do it.
38:02There you go, the curtain side of the van.
38:03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
38:04People sort of, like, we asked people to, like, write in if they'd, like, what was
38:06to play at the wedding.
38:07Oh, that's wicked.
38:08We sort of regretted doing it, because we had loads of emails.
38:11I'm still getting it.
38:12We're not doing it anymore, by the way.
38:14It's gone.
38:14But what I love, everyone is so loving the fact that Blossoms have shown up at the wedding.
38:19Apart from that lady.
38:22That's part of the point.
38:23It was like going back to the old days, and you're kind of looking out at the crowd, and
38:27you're like, that guy's really bored, and he's not bothered, do you know what I mean?
38:31But then by the end, he's like, he's got a cigar on, he's vibing.
38:35Yeah, yeah.
38:36We won him over.
38:37And in November, you're going on tour, and it's a bit bigger than that van.
38:40It is, yeah.
38:41Yeah, this is all arenas.
38:43Yeah.
38:43Congratulations.
38:50So that's this November, so it's soup?
38:52Yeah, soup.
38:53Oh, right.
38:53So you're packing already.
38:54Yeah, we're thinking we might take the drapes from here, actually.
38:59Honestly, it looks great.
39:01No, honestly, I was like, where did you get the carpet from?
39:03No, we actually did.
39:04We actually asked them.
39:05It's the same second name as me.
39:06Can they have the carpet?
39:07Of course!
39:11They said it!
39:13Have it all!
39:15Yeah!
39:16You'll see me walking out with a ball of the carpet.
39:18When is next week, when they do some cardboard?
39:22All right, guys, thank you so much for playing fully live.
39:25It sounded great.
39:26Thanks for the performance.
39:27Good luck with the album.
39:28And good luck with the tour.
39:29Blossoms, everybody!
39:31Thank you so much.
39:33Thanks very much.
39:35And, right, that's really it.
39:37Before we go, it's just time for a quick visit to the big red chair.
39:41Who do we have?
39:41Hello, sir.
39:43Hello.
39:44Hello.
39:44What's your name?
39:45My name is Daniel .
39:46Oh, lovely.
39:47Full name.
39:47That's a full name.
39:48Google him.
39:49I'll just ask you again, because people do Google people and it turns nasty.
39:54So, I'll just ask you for your first name this time.
39:56So, hello.
39:57What's your name, sir?
39:58My name is Daniel.
39:59Daniel.
40:00Hello, Daniel.
40:00And what do you do?
40:02I work in cyber security.
40:04OK.
40:05The full name.
40:06Why would you give me the full name?
40:07He works cyber security and you gave me your full name.
40:10No one's Googling him.
40:11No one's Googling him.
40:11No one's Googling him.
40:12No one's Googling him.
40:14That's definitely not his name.
40:16Yeah, she's...
40:17We don't think that sounds like something like that.
40:19So, Daniel, you work in cyber security.
40:21And where are you from?
40:23I'm originally from Spain, but I live in London now.
40:26Oh, lovely.
40:26How long have you lived here?
40:27Six years.
40:28OK, so you're liking it.
40:29Off you go with your story, sir.
40:31Well, when I was 13 years old, I realised that every time I would sneeze, I would sneeze an odd
40:37number
40:37of times.
40:38I've kept track and it's been...
40:41LAUGHTER
40:46What took you so long?
40:48I mean...
40:50What took you so long?
40:53It definitely wasn't his name, but he definitely was in cyber security.
40:57Why would you say any of that out loud?
41:00All right.
41:01Do we have one more?
41:02Yeah, go on.
41:03Yeah, high hopes.
41:04High hopes here.
41:05Here we go.
41:06Hello.
41:07Hello.
41:08Hi, what's your name?
41:09Rita .
41:09Ah!
41:13Just ask you again.
41:14Unless that isn't your name.
41:15Is that your name?
41:15That's my name.
41:16OK.
41:17I'll ask you again.
41:17We'll just get a Rita.
41:19Because people...
41:20They actually find you if you say it.
41:23It's, you know...
41:24Welcome to showbiz.
41:25LAUGHTER
41:27Hello.
41:27What's your name?
41:28Rita.
41:29Lovely.
41:29And where are you from, Rita?
41:30From Spanish Point in County Claring Island.
41:32Oh, lovely.
41:33Oh, lovely.
41:34Spanish Point.
41:35Very popular.
41:36Very popular.
41:37And what do you do in Spanish Point?
41:38I'm retired.
41:39I'm a retired teacher.
41:40OK.
41:41Well, off you go with the story.
41:42So, I have a real problem in mixing up phrases and mixing up words and things like that.
41:49So, back in the 90s when I was getting married, myself and my husband had gone to the church
41:53to speak to the parish priest.
41:56And we were talking about the music that we had to have and the classes that we needed before
42:02we got married, etc.
42:03Yes.
42:04But the whole time I was looking at this priest, he had a big black mark, like dirt, on his
42:09forehead.
42:10So, I'm looking at this priest and at the very end, I say, Father, can I just tell you,
42:16you've got a big black mark on your foreskin.
42:20And my husband and his face just went, oh, and I realised then what I'd done.
42:27That was quite a good story.
42:28That was quite a good story.
42:29That was quite a good story.
42:29That was quite a good story.
42:30Thank you all.
42:31Thank you all.
42:32There you go.
42:32All right.
42:33That was quite a good story.
42:34OK, that really is all we've got time for.
42:36Please say a huge thank you to all of my guests tonight.
42:38Bottoms!
42:41Andrew Garfield!
42:44Catherine Zeta-Jones!
42:48And Mr. Sylvester Stallone!
42:54Join me next week with singer-over-boy.
43:05I'll see you then.
43:05I'll see you then.
43:06Good night, everybody.
43:06Bye-bye!