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نخست وزیر بلغارستان: حمایت از روسیه برایم مهم نیست و برچسب طرفدار مسکو را رد می‌کند
نخست‌وزیر بلغارستان در میان رهبران اتحادیه اروپا مهم‌ترین کسی است که خواستار مذاکره با مسکو بر سر جنگ این کشور علیه اوکراین است؛ موضوعی که باعث شده برچسب طرفدار روسیه بگیرد.
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نخست‌وزیر بلغارستان در میان رهبران اتحادیه اروپا مهم‌ترین کسی است که خواستار مذاکره با مسکو بر سر جنگ این کشور علیه اوکراین است؛ موضوعی که باعث شده برچسب طرفدار روسیه بگیرد.
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00:08Thank you Prime Minister thank you very much much has been said about you in Brussels but we have
00:13not really heard that much from you in terms of who you really are your perspectives your views
00:19you know and it's not a secret I say this with all due respect in Brussels there was a clear
00:23conversation about a prime minister that perhaps was going to break the European consensus around
00:29Ukraine that would play into the hands of Russia you said at the time that was a parody a simplification
00:36of your views and it is clear you won an election with a landslide when I look at the war
00:40Ukraine
00:41Russia what is the assessment that you make and what is the security assessment that you see from
00:45your perspective coming from Bulgaria I believe that this war challenged his challenge not only
00:52our security architecture it challenged our industrial base it challenged our unity it
01:00challenged our capability but most of all the war in Ukraine challenged our critical thinking and realistic
01:09approach it challenged most of all our ability to design a feasible political objectives and to
01:18translate them into a sound military strategy and to define a desire the desert and state and to define the
01:28victory most of all how to define the road towards this victory and all the circumstances we need to pave
01:39down to
01:40achieve peace finally to achieve peace this is this struggle very often inside of myself
01:47talking about military and political analysis and approach to the world to the conflict to the overall global
01:55situation on the security landscape I don't want to put words in your mouth but what you're saying is the
02:01fact that
02:01you question that there is well no strategy to victory saying victory and peace without a plan is not going
02:07to work that meant that you are
02:13and you want to help others because you are not actually doing the US for being responsible one of the
02:24different questionable problems and faith in China like that you cannotass for the people who care about you are
02:32and to finally find the road to peace as soon as possible because this war of attrition
02:40is a strong challenge for the peace in global perspective it is a growing risk
02:48this war drains our social and economic systems almost every day so we need to find the peace
02:56the road to peace as soon as possible and we need to finally achieve a balance between military
03:02economic and diplomatic instruments because i don't see the right balance yet and our main
03:10priority should be to speak and to work for peace you remember when president trump took the office
03:17he had immediately proposal he offered ukraine and russia ceasefire immediately sit down at the
03:25negotiation table and sign a peace what was his word his word was that there will be no
03:35better condition for peace in the future and his assessment was that the situation will get worse
03:44on the other side we had another offer to continue fighting of course who put the offer let's put it
03:52european leadership okay so you say the european leader said absolutely absolutely you remember
03:56this they said we must continue fighting yes i support this we must deliver us continue fighting
04:03though we must deliver more and more weapons and money so what is the result year and a half later
04:10i will tell you perhaps two things i'm not ursula von der leyen i think that is clear everyone can
04:15see
04:15it i'm not i'm not i'm not but but she would have said at the time she didn't say stop
04:19fighting she said
04:20weapons for ukraine to equalize the field i'm not envisioning ursula von der leyen i'm not envisioning
04:26any european leader but that was a common accepted approach for that time now we see a result
04:34hundreds of thousands more of more victims devastation of the country do you know i'm afraid about
04:44uh... in the latest russian uh... strategy because they they have shifted their strategy
04:53transportation saying we we give you less because what the europeans would say the answer is not to say
04:57we cut it will be it will be it will be it is not it is not enough because we
05:02don't have enough
05:03on stock already we have delivered everything we had in stock and our defense industry needs time to
05:11produce it and what is going on that will be extremely heavy winter because now you can cannot oppose
05:19enough successfully enough this intrusion of ballistic missiles and thousands of drones they cannot
05:27counter these drones anymore with light arms and small uh men men carried uh
05:37uh... the defense systems so it is a huge challenge and if it continues like that this will reflect from
05:46inside to outside from the center of the country and industrial power back to the front line so what is
05:53the path then if you had it your way the what is the way forward diplomatically my way is to
05:58achieve
05:59this tiny balance extremely needed balance again between military economic and diplomatic instruments
06:06we have not exhausted the power of democracy and we need to do and to speak more about diplomacy what
06:13do
06:13you mean by that because over the weekend we saw the german foreign minister took a meeting with his russian
06:18counterpart in the end uh... i don't see any progress that came out of that i do see that the
06:23russian foreign
06:24minister played games and to some extent insulted his counterpart uh... after the meeting and i don't
06:30see that move in the goal post so is this a question of the people who should conduct democracy or
06:35or diplomacy
06:35are not the good ones other people should go who should go i think some years ago uh my good
06:41friend
06:42the prime minister of belgium at that time savie betel stated this clearly we must stop speaking about russia
06:50uh... we must uh... start talking with russia so we need to hear the concerns of both sides because
07:01at the final end yes of course we need and we should support continue supporting ukraine but the most
07:08important is to prepare the conditions for peace and we should know that there is a limit of just delivering
07:16weapons uh... weapons and supporting because the final peace setup will be done by diplomacy not uh
07:24not by delivering weapons so our call is to listen more to each other to open the lines of communication
07:32and the problem is that no one is raising the question about nuclear risk does it exist
07:40maybe not i don't know but this is a risk all of us we speak about conventional war fighting
07:49support ukraine conventionally but uh we have been trying to honestly think we die in nuclear
07:57destruction out of this no you honestly think that's one of the possible i don't think but we always
08:04need to think about the worst case scenario are we prepared for this does anybody speak about risk
08:13assessment does it exist at all because we have been trying to achieve a conventional victory over the
08:20biggest nuclear power without having capabilities to counter their supersonic weapons there is a risk and we
08:29need to calculate at what extent and how is it possible at all i don't believe in this but we
08:36should
08:37take this into account we should not neglect this how much can we press russia without russia reacting with
08:44something else i was listening also to i don't want to repair i'm uh to repeat i i i'm not
08:50advocate of
08:51putin and lavrov at all at all but uh he warned a month ago i i guess that if there
08:59is a war between
09:01europe and russia this war will be totally different and very short that was the warning this is a threat
09:10i don't accept this type of speaking but they speak you condemn it you condemn that statement you want to
09:17listen to this no i just wonder when you hear that statement what would you say you say i don't
09:21accept
09:21this i say that you're condemning those statements i say that there is a nuclear card and when russia when
09:30putin feels strong he doesn't speak about this when russia feels weak that happened in this war about some years
09:38years ago they start playing again with the nuclear card so just i'm reminding that we need to have this
09:49into account we
09:51cannot close our eyes that there are nuclear weapons on our continent uh there are nuclear weapons in the arsenal
10:00of russia
10:02and we this is part of the game calculation and my appeal is that no one is speaking about this
10:11no one is
10:12taking uh you know the account of this risk we have multiple analysts here who said they really believe
10:20to that extent it's a card that is played politically because the russians think or seem to think weak
10:26leaders will get scared by it you disagree that's clear let's look at the eastern flank uh there's a
10:34perception that the security picture for the eastern flank certainly for the baltics and and poland has
10:39deteriorated over the past uh few months we've also seen uh the drone uh violations of the airspace
10:45what happened at the german uh airport uh romania we've seen constant drone violations uh on and on and
10:52on and on is this now a time to rethink if this is hybrid warfare and i wonder if you
10:58use that word
10:58warfare yourself is this not a time for the europeans to redefine what hybrid deterrence to this warfare
11:05should look like you mentioned hybrid warfare with drones it is another types of course it is extremely
11:13difficult to counter these drones why it is extremely difficult to detect them they fly low they use
11:21non-metal materials it is extremely difficult to detect on the radars so if you apply anti-drone systems
11:31they need to be very very congested on your boiler that means a lot a lot a huge number of
11:39such
11:39systems and their integration and this is a huge technical challenge to all of us and that's why my
11:47call is to to think about this balance about different instruments of power and to design to formulate
11:56a feasible end state of this war because we have changed our desert and state about seven to eight
12:04times i don't remember even the formulation of this these end states from the beginning of the war that
12:11position is still a minority in the european council you say it's very different or very difficult to
12:16intercept uh the drones the constant violations that we're seeing repeatedly is it because the
12:21european and nato leadership is weak or is it because they're not sending the right message
12:24if you escalate so can we so what is your proposal to send a very hard warning to russia i
12:33agree
12:34okay what about escalation so you just accept they can do whatever they want they can put explosives on
12:40an airport they can no what's the alternative no my alternative is to open the lines of communication
12:49to sit down and to discuss this is my proposal and sooner or later it will be achieved and again
12:58it
12:58depends this is a war of attrition it reflects our economies it reflects the price of the fuel the price
13:04of the gas it reflects the shortage of fuel and gas in the european union as well my question however
13:13on the money you will have to be in a consensus question uh both at nato and at a european
13:19union
13:19level when you get told at nato you have to pay five percent you have to buy uh weapons that
13:25are still
13:25continue to be american at the same time we need to build our own european industry
13:30how do you go about this because what i see from the outside is you pay for american weapons while
13:37trying to build your industry while talking about meeting europe you praise your visit with macong
13:42but to me these are two strategies that at some point it's difficult to keep them
13:45on one lane because they're quite contradictory so which one is it going to be a meeting europe
13:50preference or not the problem is that the european defense industry is highly fragmented and of course
13:57we need to strengthen our defense industries safe instrument is extremely good instrument bulgaria
14:03bulgaria is very active participant in this would you want a round two there's been debate that maybe
14:09the first round was successful there could be a second one yes there could be and uh this is the
14:14right
14:14approach to strengthen our industrial base to work together to communicate to coordinate and this is
14:21the future for europe and but as the prime minister of bulgaria if you have to sign a contract
14:25and in the future you have two weapons that ultimately do the same job one is european one is made
14:30in the
14:30u.s would you say of course we go for the european first we need a european preference yes of
14:36course this is
14:37the part of the european strategic autonomy concept and i fully agree that and we have been working for this
14:45we need to strengthen we need to strengthen the european pillar of nato because we need to take care
14:52about our defense capabilities and we need to do it in a smart way we cannot exclude the united states
15:00because the united states is a leader in defense technologies we need to cooperate but of course we
15:08need to protect our defense industries otherwise they will disappear and for made in europe is it
15:15the right way to put this in writing do we need those percentages do we need that meeting europe
15:22by law we need to operate like this otherwise we continue uh our strategic dependencies on the
15:27u.s are you in favor of legislating in this way we cannot immediately guarantee our security by ourselves
15:37even talking about the nuclear shield we cannot go without the united states of america because they
15:42provide the essence of the core defense capabilities in nato we should it is absolutely clear it will take
15:51time for us to recover to renovate our industries our industrial base our technology development should
16:01ukraine be a core part of it we heard from the ukraine and saying the europeans will need us more
16:06than
16:06at this point we need them on the technology advancement should we get them in this context ukraine
16:10is has been already a part of this many european defense industries has have already invested look at
16:18rain metal look at other companies they have presence they have invested they have developed
16:25strong industrial sites and presence in ukraine ukraine has been sharing latest state-of-the-art drone
16:34technologies they have developed through experimenting them every day on the front line so as an equal
16:40partner anyway the ukrainians will say we will be joining the european union so this debate at some point
16:46of course western balkans ukraine moldova all of them they have place and their future is full integration
16:56into the european family this is obvious this is of course as a final question when we hear nato 3
17:03.0
17:04the impression that i get uh nobody will say publicly with these words but ultimately it means that
17:10we are gonna have to pay big time in nato we are gonna still have to continue for or pay
17:15for those u.s
17:16weapons otherwise there will be a retaliation for the administration but then we're gonna have to do all
17:20the hard work of the soldiers uh all the work uh that means real defense will be us and ultimately
17:28all that will be left is the u.s nuclear umbrella that will protect the europeans and still be there
17:35as a last resort in nato that is essentially what nato 3.0 means for the europeans is that how
17:41you see it
17:41too you say you're not politically correct you're not in the mainstream so i'm sure you can speak freely on
17:46that we when we speak about nato 3.0 and the defense capabilities of europe we should put on the
17:55table economic part social part we should put tariffs on the table we should put against who
18:03european cars talking with our most important strategic ally the united states we should put because
18:12when we speak about defense capabilities it means technology and industrial development it should
18:18not go just for military equipment it should go for everything we cooperate with the united states so
18:24they put tariffs tariffs are part of this approach and europe should put everything on the table your
18:32analysis of nato 3.0 i still didn't fully understand it because you said we need to put our economic
18:37relationship and even tariffs the only tariffs are seen are the americans and european products
18:42so by 15 percent they tripled and we pay more into nato i'm just wondering from your military
18:49background when you look at this nato 3.0 and you say this is the plan for the next 15
18:53years
18:53what does it look like do you have u.s troops stationed in europe or you won't i think we
18:59need also
19:00more effective diplomacy speaking with the united states so to bring everything in one basket because
19:09everything is strongly connected we cannot separate defense industry from technology from science from
19:18human capital from industrial base and all the products with dual usage and they mix especially in
19:27ai and we are lagging behind here in europe in ai we we should cooperate uh more you know uh
19:36strongly
19:36with the united states about uh ai and we should go together as strategic allies and partners
19:44because there are some other movements around the world in this direction as well well prime minister
19:50thank you so much for your time uh you've been very generous with your time so thank you very much
19:54for
19:54joining us thanks