00:05The race to become the next Secretary General of the United Nations is gathering pace with the decision expected by
00:11the end of this year.
00:13The Ecuadorian candidate, Ivana Baki, says the United Nations needs to rebuild trust and bring world leaders, not just their
00:21representatives, back to the negotiating table.
00:24She's been talking to our correspondent, Lee Jianhua.
00:28We need to focus on the three pillars that are the basis of the UN that are perfect and they
00:36are not being implemented.
00:37What is the three pillars? Peace and security. That's what it was created.
00:41Peace and security with sustainable development, economic development for the people and with human rights.
00:48But they are interconnected. If you don't have peace, you don't have security, you don't have investment for development
00:56and you don't have human rights. So we need to focus on that. That's the vision that I say for
01:01you at 8100.
01:02But to make sure the three pillars work, really, the fundamental problem is trust.
01:08And you have said the problem with the United Nations is nobody trusts anybody.
01:12Why do you think trust has broken down so badly, not only between countries, but between members and the UN
01:19itself?
01:21That's a great question. Everything is based on trust. We lost trust because the results were not there.
01:28There was a reaction, not action. You need to act before the problem happens.
01:33When you react, you lose. It's already too late. I hope it's not too late.
01:38You know, I'm realizing now I'm meeting with many of the members. They're all on the same thing.
01:44They say we have to get back hope for the people so they could trust the UN because it's the
01:49only institution in the world
01:51that has all the countries in one place that you can sit and say, OK, enough is enough.
01:57In an ideal world, I think, yes, everyone wants to look together peacefully.
02:01And you said the secretary general should be a mediator, period.
02:06But today's conflict involves major powers with fundamentally different interests.
02:12What do you think a mediator can achieve when neither side is willing to work together?
02:18Again, it has to be having the leaders sit together, not a special invoice or delegates,
02:25because the delegates, they have to come back and ask their leaders.
02:29And then it goes back and forth and back and forth.
02:31And they never agree.
02:32What is the priority for Israel is security.
02:36And he's right.
02:36It's right.
02:37It's security.
02:38What is the priority for the Palestinians?
02:40They want to have a land.
02:41So you can't land.
02:42It's a lot of land in the world.
02:44We can find the land for the Palestinians and the security for Israel.
02:48The same with Ukraine and Russia.
02:49Russia wants security in their borders without NATO.
02:52They have to say, OK, we don't want to enter NATO.
02:55Ukraine says, OK, we stop.
02:57We don't want to be part of NATO, but we have to have security.
03:00Let's start with that.
03:02In the latest rule poll, you have only received one encouraged vote.
03:07Why do you think you haven't yet got the support of the Security Council?
03:11And is joining the race relatively late part of the problem, do you think?
03:16Yes, it has to do with me arriving late.
03:20But why did you join late?
03:22I'm just wondering.
03:23I was, you know, I was debating in a way because I am an outsider and I know that they
03:30don't like that.
03:31I think it's mostly because they don't see me as someone that they know and they want the status quo.
03:38And I'm not going, I don't believe that the status quo is working.
03:41So I'm an outsider.
03:43They see me that way.
03:44And I will prove it.
03:45I will prove that I will listen to everyone and we'll find solutions.
