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06:03No, no, no, no.
06:20When it comes to PEC-2s, we now see massive production sites being built between MBDA and Ration, to RTX,
06:29to build PEC-2 interceptors in Germany.
06:32So all of this is happening, but this will not help Ukraine in the short term.
06:36For next winter and for next coming weeks and months, they simply need more interceptors.
06:41Police on or whatever, you can still give them.
06:43It's saving lives.
06:45And also our Supreme Allied Commander is saying to those European countries still having these patriots interceptors,
06:52whatever you can give, please do, because it is crucial now to keep Ukraine strong.
06:57You mentioned, certainly when it comes to the Europeans, that if you have any in stock, you should send them
07:01now.
07:02You didn't name the countries, but we've seen clearly in Brussels there's been ongoing pressure on Spain and Greece in
07:07particular.
07:08Is this now the time to say whatever you have, really send it now?
07:11No, of course.
07:11There is no imminent threat on the southern flag?
07:13That's not how it works, because we have to make sure, of course, that we have enough also to protect
07:16ourselves.
07:17But that's not up to me.
07:18That's the chief of defense, Supreme Allied Commander, assessing what are the stockpiles we need in NATO territory.
07:24And based on that assessment, what can we still give to Ukraine?
07:27There is still room for that.
07:28How much of a drag is the war in Iran on Ukraine?
07:31Because you could argue they feel collateral damage out of the situation.
07:35It's a war that, in theory, as we understood, the president of the U.S. said over the summer was
07:38done.
07:39Clearly it's not done.
07:40The oil is not coming out.
07:41And now there's also energy pressure feeding into this conversation.
07:43How much of a problem is the war in Iran when it comes to the situation in Ukraine?
07:47Yeah, but let's also assess, and here we might always, not all of us agree, that it was only the
07:52United States which was capable of taking out the nuclear capability of Iran, which was a threat potentially soon, not
07:59only for Israel in the Middle East, but also for us here.
08:02You really believe that?
08:03In Brussels.
08:03You absolutely believe that, yes.
08:05So the American president taking out that threat, degrading that capability is crucial.
08:10And, of course, everywhere also has its downsides.
08:13Why are the Americans doing it, taking out the Iranians, Iranian nuclear capability?
08:17Because we can't.
08:18But in the future, we have to make sure that as Europeans we can do this ourselves.
08:23The flip side, some would argue, and again, going back to the knock-on effect on Ukraine, some would say
08:27the war in Iran, it's not clear how this answer, whether there's a strategy to do it.
08:32And it is having an impact on Ukraine directly because the president of the U.S. is now saying do
08:38not hit the refineries because I don't want to see oil prices going up.
08:41It is having a knock-on effect.
08:43So how can you undo this, this dynamic?
08:45I'm not going to comment on everything which is said by...
08:47But do you worry about the ramifications and the energy market?
08:50Of course, there are always ramifications, but the ramifications start from a premise that it is good that the Americans
08:55did this.
08:55And I'm, one, believing that it was absolutely essential for the Americans to take on Iran.
09:00And do you believe the vast majority of the alliance agrees with your assessment?
09:04No, I don't think so, but that doesn't care.
09:07I don't care.
09:08You asked me on my opinion.
09:10To that point, at this stage, do you see a NATO that is together in its collective decision-making?
09:17Or actually, you would argue there are real tensions because the interests are moving in different ways?
09:22No, we are talking about Iran, but Iran last time...
09:25I'm saying two points of tension.
09:26There are both...
09:26No, no, no.
09:27Iran is outside NATO territory.
09:28So, let's be honest, NATO is focused on the Euro-Atlantic, and when it comes to the Euro-Atlantic and
09:32defending ourselves against Russia, which is our long-term threat, we are totally on one page.
09:38The US, Canada, the 30 NATO allies in Europe, there's no problem.
09:42No, we were discussing Iran, and hey, you're allowed to have your differences of opinion when it comes to Iran.
09:47By the way, the Europeans are also totally in agreement that the freedom of navigation has to be restored, both
09:54in the Strait of Hormuz and in the Red Sea.
09:57And we see now increasingly European countries being active there, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, helping out with demining in the Strait
10:05of Hormuz.
10:06This is even before this so-called permissive environment will emerge, hopefully, in the future.
10:12So, already they are there.
10:13Some other European countries are active there more discreetly, helping out with demining.
10:18Why?
10:19Because the US is great, but the US lacks two capabilities.
10:22One is icebreakers, you don't need them in the Strait of Hormuz, and demining capacity, which the Europeans have an
10:28ample supply.
10:29So, it's very good that Europeans are more and more helping.
10:32And also, 5,000 American planes took off from European bases since the end of February in support of Epic
10:39Fury.
10:39So, again, Europe being one big power protection platform for the United States.
10:44So, you're saying, because publicly, let's be honest, the war is not popular in Europe.
10:48We've seen a number of European leaders who come out of it very openly saying it was a bad idea,
10:53and my population doesn't support it.
10:54Would you say there's an element of performative, well, they're just politicians.
10:59There's an element of I disagree, but actually I'm providing much more support than I say in public.
11:03No, no, I take all those comments very seriously, but what I'm telling you is that the nuclear capability of
11:09Iran, in my assessment, is a direct threat, not only to the Middle East, but also to Europe.
11:13That it was only the United States which was able to degrade it.
11:16How is the atmosphere in the alliance at this point?
11:19It's great.
11:20It's the best it has ever been, because you have now a Europe which is taking responsibility for its own
11:25defense.
11:26President Trump loves NATO.
11:28He only hated one element, which was the fact that we were not spending enough.
11:32And multiple other things.
11:33He also said he had been at the NATO summit.
11:35He was not very happy going into the NATO summit, then came out happy out of it.
11:39But he said he was not happy at his NATO summits and his NATO allies because of the Iranians.
11:43When I speak with President Trump, he's totally clear-eyed why NATO is crucial also for the United States.
11:49Jonas Sture, the Norwegian Prime Minister, showing him the map of these nuclear submarines of Russia, which are a threat
11:56not to Norway.
11:57They are a threat to the United States.
11:59They might end up at the shores of the United States.
12:01If we as NATO would not block them.
12:04So NATO, and this is just one example, is not only there to protect Europe.
12:08It is also there to protect Canada.
12:10It's there to protect the United States.
12:12And finally, in the U.S., in all the senior circles, in the Pentagon, in the state, and in the
12:18White House,
12:18there is widespread agreement that if China would move against the first island chain, that there is no doubt that
12:25at the same moment Putin will keep us busy here.
12:28And then we need a stronger European element in NATO.
12:32This is NATO 3.0, a stronger Europe and a stronger NATO, to make sure that the U.S. doesn't
12:38have to spread its resources too thinly.
12:40And just a final point on this, the reason why I ask how is the mood is because right now
12:44we see competing priorities.
12:46The U.S. is sending this message, do not hit the refineries because it's affecting the energy market.
12:50What I detect from the European leadership is that they are okay with Ukraine hitting deeply into Russia because that
12:56is the moneymaker for Russia.
12:57As a NATO Secretary General, when you look at both scenarios, do you say, at this point, I'd rather they
13:03continue just hitting Russia deeply, even if it comes with ramifications in the energy market?
13:07I look at another scenario.
13:08It's the best balance.
13:09I look at another fact.
13:10And the fact is that when it comes to the war in Ukraine, there is only one person who can
13:13bring it to an end.
13:14And that person is not living in Europe.
13:16That person is living in the White House.
13:18And the American president is the only one.
13:19You really believe that?
13:20Yes, I really believe this.
13:21He was the only one who could break the deadlock with Putin.
13:23He did.
13:24He started a dialogue.
13:24He sent some of his senior advisors to work diligently with the Russians and the Ukrainians to bring this war
13:32to an end.
13:32So far, it has not been successful.
13:34But they are working on this.
13:35I commend them for that.
13:36But I want to ask you, the ceasefire he promised did not happen.
13:39The energy ceasefire is not happening either.
13:41In your mind, is there really now any path in which we see from now until the winter any sort
13:45of mediated ceasefire of any way?
13:47Or actually, this is just war?
13:49Of course, we all hope for it.
13:51I know that the whole European leadership is behind this effort.
13:54Because we all want this war to end.
13:58But hey, you need two to tango.
14:00So far, it doesn't seem that Vladimir, Vladimir with Putin, is willing to tango when it comes to a peace
14:07deal.
14:07And as long as he is not making himself available for that, it is a bit difficult.
14:11But hey, we always know that these wars end with a peace deal.
14:14And we always know you need negotiators.
14:17And you need somebody with clout who can do that.
14:20And the American president breaking the deadlock with Putin when he came into office I think was essential.
14:26And we can then criticize that it has not been done.
14:29No.
14:29I mean, this is very difficult.
14:30It takes time.
14:31But over time, I'm sure that will be successful.
14:33I don't know whether it will be before winter.
14:35At the moment, we don't see Putin willing, it seems, to engage.
14:39When you look at NATO, you also accomplish the 5%.
14:42And then, of course, there's the famous Trump trillion.
14:45Some dispute that it's an effective trillion.
14:47But the president does say we will get to the 1 trillion.
14:50But there are differences in terms of what do we buy.
14:53And the European industry would say there needs to be a clear European preference.
14:57In your mind, do you go as long as you pay and you're a NATO member, you buy what you
15:02want?
15:02First of all, it's more than 1 trillion.
15:04But then on the question you ask, the problem is not, is it, do you buy in Europe or do
15:11you buy in the United States?
15:12The problem is, can you buy?
15:14The money is there.
15:15But the defense industrial base in Europe is underdeveloped.
15:19It is not producing enough.
15:20Too many factories are still not working full time, are not churning out their products 24-7.
15:26But there is no bias for a manufacturer in Europe.
15:28No, no, the same is true for the United States.
15:29Also the United States needs to ramp up its output.
15:32This is exactly what Trump tries to do.
15:33It's the quadrupling of the five big primes in the U.S., et cetera.
15:37So the problem is not, if only we had the luxury of this discussing buy European or buy American.
15:42No, I would say buy.
15:44And generally speaking, being a free market politician, I think it's always better if you have these free markets functioning
15:52as open and independent as possible.
15:56But at the moment, I think it is a discussion of luxury whether you buy European or American.
16:00Because we cannot buy on both sides.
16:02There is not enough production, not in Europe, not in the United States, to fulfill all the demand signals now.
16:08So this is my message to industry.
16:10Invest.
16:11You know there is a long-term demand.
16:13There is a long-term commitment to spend so much more.
16:15The good news is industry is ramping up.
16:18And we had that in Ankara with the 50 billion extra defense industrial contracts being closed there.
16:26And the 40 billion when it comes to the drone edge.
16:28So these were huge announcements which will also help to accelerate the investments in the defense industrial base.
16:35So Maine in Europe is a Brussels debate.
16:37It exists in the Brussels circles.
16:38If only we have the luxury to have that debate.
16:41At the moment, the problem is we do not produce enough.
16:43I would say, more generally speaking, let's look at this as one big transatlantic defense industrial market.
16:49And there is enough money for everybody.
16:52And there will be a defense dividend coming from this.
16:56Because all these investments will also lead to societal returns, not only in the defense output from the defense industrial
17:02base, but also innovation and everything else.
17:05And, Secretary General, just a final question.
17:08What do you think NATO 3.0 means?
17:11Because I see two different schools.
17:13One says it means an alliance in which we pay.
17:16We both commit.
17:16So it will equalize the relationship.
17:19It will be stronger because we will commit more.
17:21There are some in Europe who would say, ultimately, NATO 3.0 means they will pull back the troops.
17:26We will have to pay more.
17:28We will have to pay for their weapons.
17:29And in exchange, what we get is the nuclear umbrella.
17:32That is it.
17:33That is NATO 3.0.
17:35Which one is it?
17:36Well, it's more like the first than the second.
17:38But let me be more precise.
17:39It's too negative, the second one.
17:40Yes.
17:40I mean, it's a bit of a crazy assumption that it will be the second one.
17:43You don't mean this.
17:44Because if the U.S.
17:46What do we think?
17:46No, but if the U.S. would only be here with the nuclear umbrella, of course, from a strategic and
17:51technical point of view, that would not be very wise.
17:53Because you want also to be there, then, if you have a nuclear umbrella, in a conventional sense.
17:57For all kinds of tactical, strategic reasons, the military people can explain to you why that is important.
18:02So the U.S. will stay involved in Europe, also in the conventional domain.
18:07No, the problem was that NATO was not sustainable.
18:10It is not sustainable that you have a country, the United States, being overly responsible for the defense of 600
18:16million Europeans.
18:16We are the richest part of the world.
18:18There is no part of the world which is richer than Europe.
18:21And then we are totally over-dependent on a country so far away, 340 million people to defend against 140
18:27million Russians.
18:29That's not sustainable.
18:30That's what we are changing now.
18:32That means that, and this is the paradox, the United States, thanks to the fact that Europe is stepping up,
18:37will be much more committed to Europe.
18:39Because they need Europe and a secure Atlantic and a secure Arctic.
18:43Look at the Greenland debate we were able to bring to a successful outcome last week, the Danes and the
18:49Greenlanders and the Americans, very successfully.
18:52A case in point that we need a secure Arctic, secure Atlantic, secure Europe to keep Europe, the Arctic, and
18:57the United States safe.
18:59Just as a final question, would you say ultimately all of this is chit-chat because the big problem in
19:03Europe will be China?
19:06No, China is extremely relevant.
19:07And as I said, if something happens in China would move against Taiwan or somewhere else in the first island
19:13chain, that will have a huge impact on Europe and the U.S.
19:15On the U.S. first of all, because they will try to do everything to stabilize the situation in the
19:20Pacific.
19:20But they will need Europe to take indeed responsibility much more than we do at this moment for our own
19:27defense.
19:27Because you cannot require from the U.S. to spread its resources too thinly.
19:33And yes, of course, China is extremely relevant.
19:36And we assess that for the moment Russia is the long-term threat against NATO.
19:40We will see how China develops.
19:42We know they are sitting by 2030 on 1,000 nuclear warheads.
19:46They have massive investments in their military.
19:48And it's not only to organize parades in Beijing.
19:51Well, on that note, Secretary-General, thank you very much for joining us.
19:54Thank you very much.
19:55Thank you very much.
19:55Thank you very much.