CTP (20260923 S4ESepSpecial4) Michael Stangeland Stangeland In A StangeLand No Not Typo BTS

Name: CTP (20260923 S4ESepSpecial4) Michael Stangeland Stangeland In A StangeLand No Not Typo BTS
Uploaded: 2026-09-22T21:20:58+00:00
Duration: 45 min 18 s
Channel: Joseph M. Lenard

00:00Hello, welcome to another episode of Perstitutionalist Podcast.

00:06I am your host, Joseph M. Leonard.

00:09That's L-E-N-A-R-D.

00:12It looks French.

00:13It's not.

00:14It's Leonard without an O.

00:17Thank you for tuning in, as Graham Norton used to say, on his show.

00:24Let's get on with the show!

00:26Hey, joining me today is Michael Stanglund.

00:34That is spelled S-T-A-N-G-E-L-A-N-D, but the E is kind of silent.

00:43And I've often joked with my audience, I need new glasses.

00:48I was on Podmatch.

00:51No secret I use that service.

00:53People could check it out, tinyurl.com slash joinpodmatch.

00:59But that font is too small.

01:02I thought it was Strangeland.

01:06And I, you know, I have all my Stranger in a Strangeland jokes are now out the window.

01:14Well, I, I'm very used to that mistake being made where I long ago took to making a joke of

01:21my own about it, is that I must be haunted by a really petty pirate.

01:26Like, I'll be, it's Stanglund, but then somehow this ghost is a pirate.

01:31There's an arrr in it!

01:32Exactly!

01:33Exactly!

01:33I knew exactly where you were going with that.

01:36That's a great, I love that joke.

01:40Yeah, it's, I, yeah, it's like, I mean, when, that's a thing that happens and you don't know why.

01:48I mean, you got to figure out some way to deal with it.

01:50And I reason, you know, humor, that's, I mean, make something productive.

01:55It's, make something productive out of the mistake that is ultimately harmless in the grand scheme of things.

02:02And I am sensitive to names because I am Joseph M. Leonard.

02:07It looks French.

02:09It's not Lenard.

02:10It's Leonard without an O.

02:12It's actually Polish.

02:14It was Leonard Awoskiewiczski or whatever.

02:17I haven't dug back far enough in the woodpile to get the full Polish part of it.

02:24But, yeah, and there is a Joseph Lenard out of South Carolina who is also a Christian author.

02:32So, I have to use my middle initial.

02:35So, I'm sensitive to the name thing.

02:39But, at any rate, Podmatch, I noticed your bio.

02:45So, I reached out with, would love to talk to you about your, quote, active writer who has thus far

02:56published one novel through a hybrid publishing service.

03:00Second book is currently heavily in development and close to also being publishing ready.

03:07Now, we're, full disclosure, recording in April.

03:12This will air in probably June.

03:15So, what's the time frame on the next book?

03:19Well, you see, there's an addition.

03:21I mean, as long as we are discussing stuff on Podmatch, this is another thing where there's a behind-the

03:26-scenes element where, when you first contacted me, I did mention that, well, yeah, I've got that one book, but

03:34I've also got a second that is very close to being ready.

03:37And so, that we're talking now means that, yes, well, I suppose that when I talked about it, I expected

03:47it would be a case of, well, I know when the book is going to be released, which is technically

03:51true because the book is actually available now.

03:56Not the hardcover yet, that's still being worked out, but you can still purchase the paperback or the e-book.

04:04So, yes, I do have –

04:06So, by the time this airs, it'll all be there, and we'll get into that.

04:10Yeah, if we're talking about June, July, then I would be shocked if by that point you can't buy the

04:21hardcover as well.

04:22So, by that point, it should be two books that are available in e-book, paperback, or hardcover.

04:28And we'll get into all that, and I'm glad you do hardcover because I've gone back and released hardcover too

04:35because some people still like the hardcover.

04:39They, you know, I do, which is one of my, like, a short story, A Lasting Legacy.

04:47You can hear me pounding on the hardcover, right?

04:50Yeah, I will say that over the years, I've kind of shifted on that myself where when I was younger,

04:56it was more a mindset of, well, the paperback's cheaper, so it's like you've got to have a very special

05:05case.

05:05But now that I've gotten older, I have really come to appreciate, you know, hardcover, and, I mean, when I'm

05:13ordering the books myself, or even sometimes, a lot of times, the books that I might give away to, you

05:19know, people who helped out, or I will lean towards hardcover because, you know, there's just something very – there's

05:27something extra nice about having that durability.

05:30Yeah, yeah. Now we're getting way ahead here. I'm going to back up in a second.

05:35But it's not like the old days, too. With self-publishing, like, especially KDP, it's only like $1.50 difference

05:46for the hardcover over the softcover, so it's real easy to just release it, and I like to have fun

05:54with my covers.

05:55My Kindle cover is very basic. I have a softcover cover, and my hardcover is a different cover, so I

06:04kind of create a collector situation there. Get all the covers.

06:09Yeah. Well, I mean, it can be that way. I will say, at least with the new book – I

06:16don't know, should I just go ahead and, like, name them?

06:19No, let me back up, right? Let me put the garbage truck in reverse. Beep, beep, beep, beep.

06:26Yeah, if we're getting ahead of things, then, yeah, let's back up to where you want to be.

06:30First, we got to start with the, where were you born and raised? Where are you now? Significant places you've

06:37been in between. That sort of stuff.

06:42Okay. So, where I – well, if we're looking for a brief history of my – a brief history of

06:47my life, technically – you know, I technically was born all the way over on the West Coast in Washington

06:55State, you know, the Seattle, Puyallup, that kind of area.

06:59But I wasn't even a year old when my family moved out to the Midwest, which is the general region

07:06where I've lived pretty much all my life.

07:11As I put – as I describe it in the – about the author section of the new book, I'm

07:17a near-lifelong resident of Flyover Country, which I use as kind of a term of endearment.

07:26I know that Flyover Country has historically maybe got its start as a, you know, term of derision, but I've

07:33kind of embraced it.

07:36So, yeah. And so, yeah, short version is that I have spent – I mean, certainly all my life I

07:45can remember in the Midwest region, a lot of it in south – you know, southwest Minnesota,

07:53the more reasonable part of that state, and then otherwise I've – yeah, I'm – if I'm not there yet,

08:04I'm very close to where I've lived in South Dakota longer than I've lived in Minnesota.

08:09So, yeah, that's the region that I'm from, and that's the context of kind of what I – but anyways,

08:16I don't know.

08:18Where was I supposed to go next?

08:20I think that's good enough.

08:23Any place you want to go next?

08:27Well, I don't know. I mean, I am currently happy where I'm living more or less in the, you know,

08:35in the Sioux Falls area, though.

08:37If I were ever to consider moving anywhere else, I'd say most likely the three places I'd probably consider at

08:44the top of my list in no particular order would probably be either Montana, Wyoming, or even Alaska.

08:51Alaska, so –

08:53Alaska is beautiful on the one hand, but a tough, tough, tough place to be on the other, yeah.

09:02Yeah, I'm not saying I'm planning to move any of those places, but that – that'll give you the idea

09:07of the kind of places that I feel at home.

09:12Clearly you like openness.

09:16Yeah, I do – I do like a certain level of openness, but – but at the same time, I

09:23mean, I live in Sioux Falls, which –

09:24You want neighbors.

09:26Yeah, I mean, I think one of the things about Sioux Falls that I enjoy is that it's a large

09:33– it is a city, it's a large enough urban area that you basically have all the, you know, kind

09:43of urban amenities you might need.

09:46But at the same time, it does still have a very small town feeling, like one of the examples is

09:52that it's – it's still the kind of city where rush hour traffic is like what you add another 15

10:00minutes onto your drive and where you can still – you still can very often have times where you can

10:07expect people to hold off and say,

10:10I'll give you – I'll give you an opening to intersect rather than, you know, you have a lot of

10:16bigger, more established cities where, no, everyone's just rushing, and if you want to get into traffic, you really do

10:23have to wait for an actual opening.

10:26Yeah, yeah, exactly.

10:27Rush hour here, tack on an hour to two hours.

10:30But yeah, so I was going to say something else, but now I forgot what it was.

10:38But indeed, let's just then go ahead and pivot to the first book.

10:45First book title is?

10:47Yeah, the first of the two books that I have released thus far is Junk World, The Ballad of Leroy

10:54Brown.

10:54It's a science fiction story set on a planet where – well, as the book goes, once you get past

11:03the first chapter, the opening chapter, every character in the book is a robot.

11:07And the planet Junk World is basically a junkyard planet, as the name might suggest, where basically robots that have

11:17been discarded for one reason or another are basically trying to –

11:23Here's where my ADHD, OCD brain goes to.

11:27I'm hearing a cross between the old joke song, Bad, Bad, Leroy Brown and Sanford and Son.

11:36Well, see, you know, it's funny you do mention that, because while it's never explicitly stated, both outside the book

11:45and within the book, the main character is actually named after the character in that song.

11:51So it is not coincidence that the title character is named Leroy Brown.

11:59That's fun.

12:01So, yes, in a way, the song quasi-inspired the genesis of this story.

12:09Well, not exactly.

12:12More what it is is that a huge part of the inspiration for that book came from – if you're

12:18familiar with the likes of BattleBots or Robot Wars, which – robot combat where people build really impressive and expensive

12:27machines, then put them in an arena and make them smash.

12:30They try and see, hey, can my robot be in a pure robot?

12:35And one of the – I mean, lesser but consistent elements of that is people will oftentimes come up with

12:43fun – well, I mean, as – will come up with fun ideas even to name their robots.

12:50Sometimes they will name their robots after things, and so that was one of those minor touches that I added

12:57where the – in-universe, the people who are running this robot in this arena, well, they decide to name

13:06their robot after the character from the song.

13:10And there is, like, in the opening chapter – I mean, the opening chapter has Leroy Brown fight.

13:20He's at that point – like, he's an undefeated combat robot, former military bot turned into arena fighter, and he's

13:28being pitted against the only other robot that hasn't been defeated who is in that same league.

13:34And that other robot is called Chainsaw Freddy, which – it's not – I mean, it's less obvious, but aside

13:42from the fact that the robot has a chainsaw as a main weapon, it's – I took the idea from

13:49it from the character – from, you know, Freddy Krueger.

13:51There's no direct reference to it, but it's –

13:53That's where my mind went, yep.

13:55So, yeah. So, ultimately, with the rest of that story is then after, you know, Leroy actually wins that fight,

14:04well, he gets – he gets shut down for maintenance, but he's surprised when he's reactivated to discover he's on

14:09this junkyard planet, which, hey, he was undefeated.

14:13He just won – again, he just won to make himself the undefeated champion. Why am I here?

14:18So he makes it –

14:19Why am I scrapped? Yeah.

14:21Yeah, so he makes – so the –

14:23Forced retirement.

14:26The leading element of the plot is him trying to figure out how to go back to where he thinks

14:33he's supposed to be, and that plot then gets wrapped up with stuff that's happening on Junk World, where there's

14:42a robot that calls himself the Top Dog that is basically trying to take over the planet.

14:48And so Leroy's efforts to go back to where he thinks he's supposed to go gets wrapped up with that

14:55plot to figure out, okay, how do we stop the Top Dog from taking over?

15:01Also, the way my brain goes down rabbit holes like crazy. Two other things came to mind. WALL-E? And

15:13also, I can't remember his name, the production company he formed, though. I think he's the director that did the

15:21reboot to the Star Trek, Bad Robot?

15:25Well, I won't – I can't – I mean, I really can't say anything in any capacity towards, you know,

15:30Bad Robot. I mean, I know of the company. I'm familiar with it.

15:33But I will say it's not something – it's obvious, but if you're looking for it, you might see it

15:40where there is actually a reference to WALL-E in the book, one of those things where – one of

15:45the fun things about putting this book together and creating – and, you know, with it being a planet with

15:51all robots is I have a little bit of fun of creating these machines that are on here.

15:55So if I want, I can – I can say, hey, here's a character that needs to fill a certain

16:01role. And basically, the character – you know, again, it's not obviously WALL-E, but if you know and you're

16:09looking for it, you might see, oh, yeah, that – I can see the connection there, that this is a

16:13character that is inspired by WALL-E.

16:16Robbie, which – Robbie, which eventually led to Lost in Space Danger, Will Robinson.

16:24I mean, there are a number – I mean, there are a number of robots in the book that one

16:29way or another take inspiration from one place in a way where –

16:33Yeah, well, there's a history there. Why wouldn't you? It's paying homage. It's not appropriation. It's paying homage, yes?

16:42Yeah, and the – and in this case, I reason – you know, as long as I'm not making it

16:47obvious or I'm not obviously drawing it – you know, I'm not obviously drawing attention to it, I'm not forcing

16:52it and it fits it, then, hey, I have some opportunity to have some fun doing some stuff with some,

16:59you know, robot designs.

17:01Yep, yep.

17:02Let my imagination go wild at least a little.

17:08Now, are they series-related or are they completely separate as we pivot to the second book?

17:14Well, I will say up front, the two books are very – are completely separate. I mean, they're separate genres

17:22even, but –

17:22Oh, okay.

17:24I mean, Junk World is very much a book that is written to be standalone. There is – I mean,

17:30The End does leave open the possibility that there could be more, and I mean, if – I actually wouldn't

17:38mind necessarily writing more in particular, like, the villain of the book, the top dog.

17:45I mean, I really – I really – well, not necessarily a sequel, but if, you know, Opportunity presented itself,

17:52I would – I think it would be fun to maybe do a prequel with the main villain of the

17:57book.

17:58I mean, that's one of those things where I really – where I really enjoyed what I did with the

18:03villain of this book.

18:05But the – I mean, yeah, there are – there are stuff where there would be room to be more,

18:10but the book was written with the intention of it being kind of a standalone thing.

18:15Putting aside the fact, when I originally wrote it, I was originally writing it with the mindset of maybe going

18:21through the traditional process. I mean, ultimately, that didn't happen.

18:25Who want trilogies always?

18:27Where my mindset – my mindset was, well, if it does – is actually successful, then there's probably going to

18:34be a desire for more.

18:36So I want to at least leave open the possibility and leave myself somewhere I can go.

18:42But as it stands, the book is not written with intent of, oh, there's going to be more you're going

18:49to have to prepare yourself for, or I leave it on a cliffhanger that you may never get an answer

18:56to.

18:56It's very much written with the mindset of you can read this, and it's one and done, and you can

19:02be satisfied with a complete plot.

19:04And that's another great aspect, the way I see it all self-assisted or publishing, because nowadays I have written

19:17how to write a book and get it published for those thinking about it.

19:21And like the Daisy Edgar Jones film, where the crawdads sing, right?

19:30They kind of hint in there about her doing illustrations and going through the traditional publishing, sending it to publishers

19:39and hoping to get accepted.

19:41And modern publishers now, or established ones, all have their stable of horses they run over and over.

19:50So you, to break into that stable, they want a trilogy outlined and almost already done and in place, to

20:00know they've got several books out of you.

20:04For those who, you know, may want to go that route, that's, if you're going to approach traditional publishers, be

20:13in your second book already with the third plan to sell them your first book.

20:18It will help, but, so, sci-fi, is there a qualifier, like, oh, anime sci-fi, or sci-fi comedy,

20:30or sci-fi 2000, what, Mystery Theater 3000, is there a qualifier?

20:36It is, it is, it is, it, it leans, I mean, it leads more into the serious, not like super

20:42dark serious, yeah, there's some dark stuff in it, but it's, it's more like, and it's more like, I mean,

20:52if I, I think the, more probably science action or science, I mean, action, adventure kind of thing.

21:00I mean, like I said, it, it, I mean, once you get to the, once you get past the first

21:05chapter, every character in the book is a robot, it, it doesn't take, it doesn't take an intentionally humorous approach,

21:13it doesn't take a, um, over, overly, I guess, stylistic approach, it's, yeah, probably, there, probably some humor, I, it,

21:25I mean, it's weird saying that it's,

21:28that, I can't say how much humor, because, like, all other things being equal, I do, I do have a

21:33preference for being able to write humorous stuff, I just haven't, I mean, with the writing I'm focusing on right

21:40now, the humor, you gotta be, it's not something where I can just throw it in willy-nilly, but, I

21:49do enjoy finding opportunities to insert humor when I can make it work.

21:52I, like, in How to Write a Book and Get It Published, I mentioned, humor is always a good thing,

22:01I think, if you can find ways of working it, and even if it's lame puns, like I'm writing music

22:08again on Suno, I've got a song, uh, Jamaican Me Crazy with these lame puns, even, you know, just silly,

22:18stupid stuff that might get a cringe,

22:21but it helps lighten moods at time, and it's necessary in this very serious, too serious, most of the time,

22:32world.

22:33So the next one is what genre?

22:37The next one is very much a flip, in that it is actually a children's fairy tale, so more in

22:44the fantasy genre.

22:47And it's a bit of a...

22:48Young adult fantasy.

22:49No, it's, yeah, this one is, I mean, this most recent one is, is a children's fairy tale, so it

22:55is youth fantasy, and it's a bit of a funny thing, because there was a different book I was originally

23:02planning as my second book, which, I mean, it itself was still a fantasy story, so I was, it was

23:09still a different genre regardless,

23:11but what happened was, but what happened was, I was working on a different book and was in the midst

23:17of trying to get feedback after putting together a couple drafts of that,

23:22and while waiting for that feedback, I was thinking, you know, this feedback, you know, this waiting period has taken

23:29a bit, I really just want to write something else while I'm waiting, rather than just...

23:34And so I thought, you know, for various reasons, you know, I'm going to try putting together, see if I

23:40can try doing a children's story, you know, a children's fairy tale, and so this new book, which is called

23:47The Taming of the Moon Dragon, came about, and I just kind of got wrapped up in that,

23:55and so, yeah, it's, it's more like the, I'm not necessarily good at telling exactly the right age range, but

24:06I've put it in kind of the upper elementary, is where I've kind of loosely guessed.

24:13So it's not Dr. Seuss.

24:16Oh, no, it's not Dr. Seuss, it is a dedicated chapter book, it's got, and each chapter has a piece

24:24of art,

24:25artwork in it, and, you know, a little bit larger text, but, but I, I mean, I've written it, and

24:31my hope is that with the way I've written it, is that even though it is written as a children's

24:36book,

24:36it's also a book that they're, that the children's parents can enjoy, either where they can read alongside their kids,

24:44or else if younger kids read the book to their children, like Nighttime Storytime,

24:49which I think also kind of creates some murkiness as far as the exact age range that this is best

24:57suited for.

24:58I've kind of put in the, I can't remember exactly, I think maybe in the roughly to the third grade

25:04to fifth grade age range, roughly,

25:06like up to eight, like ages eight to twelve, that basic range, but again, I'm kind of guessing, so.

25:16I hear you, though, on the, uh, what you kind of thought might be the second, didn't line up, because

25:24I, I've had like five different books always going on at the same time,

25:29and of my dozen, I never dreamed the order, like I mentioned, how to write a book and get it

25:36published,

25:37lined it up being my second, because while I was doing interviews for Terror Strikes Coming Soon to Sydney Near

25:45You,

25:45my first international book, people kept asking, what about writing and publishing?

25:52Oh, I'll come back for that, and after doing a dozen shows, I'm like, that's a book!

25:59Because the Amazon help files, you can read for free, you don't need that, but concept to writing, to publishing,

26:09to reviews,

26:11and the, the whole beginning to after thing needed to be in a book, so that became my second.

26:19So I'm, I'm with you on the, uh, yeah, I just like, kind of pivoted.

26:28Yeah.

26:29So, but, so you, I, I, I, I mean, I, let me back that, I mean, I've always kind of

26:38thought, eventually I'd do a children's book, too.

26:42Was that your thinking, and then all of a sudden, oh, well, let's do it now, kind of thing, or?

26:48There was, there was some element of that.

26:52There had, there had been some element of, hey, maybe at some point I should try writing a children's book,

26:57and this kind of opened up.

26:59So, yeah, I mean, I think it was more just, yeah, I hadn't actively planned when I was going to

27:05do it.

27:06It's more, the idea came about, and since I had this opening, I didn't want to go complete.

27:12I mean, because children's book, it's something that is going to be shorter, it's going to take a shorter time,

27:17and so it felt like it would do a better job of filling the gap, which, yeah, and, yeah.

27:26But then it wound up taking a while anyway, but I, it's still, I think it took a lot shorter

27:30time than it, than it.

27:33But, yeah, I, I, I, I do hear it, and I think the audience will get it.

27:40What's the name of the second book again?

27:43The Taming of the Moon Dragon.

27:46Okay.

27:46So, yeah, so, and the funny thing is that I think that for as, for however short or long a

27:52time I may have taken to write, I think that what wound up taking the most time with the book

27:58was actually.

27:59Illustration process?

28:00Well, not just illustration, but I also put in the effort to doing my own cover.

28:06Let me, yeah, let's see if you got it there.

28:10He, for the benefit of the audio only or the transcript, he was grabbing it, and there, if you're viewing

28:16on the five video behind the scene channels, you could see him holding up the cover.

28:22And it's actually in focus.

28:24Nine times out of ten, somebody will hold up a book and it'll just be some blur.

28:30Yeah, so, one of, one of the things that I did, one of the things that I decided I wanted

28:36to do when I was committed to I'm going to make a children's book is recalling to some of the

28:43children's books from my own youth that had this, had certain artistic styles.

28:49In particular, if they looked like, what the cover looked like it was made from cutting out construction paper pieces

28:57and arranging them.

28:59And so I decided that's ultimately what I wanted to do.

29:03But, turns out it's one of those, hey, it's easy to think of, easy to plan for, but then it

29:08takes a lot more work than you might anticipate.

29:12Like, if I bring it out again, you'll see...

29:15AI can do that pretty easy, though, now.

29:17Yeah, you'll see...

29:17If you just feed it into AI.

29:19Like, you can see, like, there's a forest, you've got a mountain, you've got a starfield.

29:24And the thing is, like, each of those trees in this cover, each of that is a little piece of

29:30paper I cut out and glued together.

29:33So, it took a very long time to physically...

29:39And I had to do both front and back.

29:45So, I had to do that twice.

29:48And that's...

29:50Oh, I am happy, though, with how the Ultimate product came out.

29:55So, I would imagine now, if not already in process, the one you were working on is now going to

30:03be your third?

30:05That, I mean, I can't say for certain, because there is a certain element, like, certain things in my life

30:12where I'm kind of, like, in a transition period with various things.

30:16I've got other activities going on.

30:17Um, I definitely plan to go back to that book, but I'm trying to...

30:23It's...

30:24I'm very much trying to decide what is the next project I'm going to commit to finishing and releasing.

30:31Like, I've also got another...

30:34I mean, I've got this...

30:35The former fantasy book that I originally thought was going to be my second book that is waiting the next

30:42draft.

30:43And, like, I've got probably a...

30:45Like, it's currently waiting for its third draft and then probably a fourth draft after that.

30:50I've got another book that I wrote around the time of Leroy Brown that, I mean, is arguably ready with

30:58maybe one more easy rewrite.

31:00But there are certain things about it where I've got to figure out, is this actually releasable or do I

31:06have to make certain changes because...

31:08I'm glad you said that because I go into that in how to write a book and get it published.

31:14There's no such thing as a finished book.

31:18You could always dream up additions or deletions or changes or rearrangements and rewrites.

31:27And you've got to eventually say, okay, it's time to release it.

31:33And then still afterwards, for years, you'll be thinking, yo, I wish I'd have done this with that.

31:41I wish I'd have done that.

31:42But you have to eventually give yourself a deadline, yes?

31:46Well, the thing is about, like, the book that I have effectively ready, but I'm not sure if I can

31:51actually release it.

31:52It's a funny thing because the way that book started out is, if you're familiar...

31:59Well, if you're familiar with, like, the book Ready Player One that was released several years and was big for

32:07a time...

32:08I saw the movie anyway.

32:09And then you have the movie.

32:11And so there was then this podcast called 372 Pages We'll Never Get Back that's basically from some guys from

32:20Riff Tracks and Mystery Science Theater 3000.

32:23So it's basically a bad books podcast where books they don't expect to like and then kind of riffing on

32:29them.

32:30And that was, I mean, that book was the initial one they did.

32:33And listening to it, I thought, okay, yeah, I can see how ridiculous it is.

32:38But there are some actually some...

32:39There is actually some fun stuff in here.

32:42So it's like, could I try writing a book that I think takes the good stuff and does a better

32:47job with it?

32:48Except there's the question of, like...

32:52I mean, Ready Player One, the big deal it has is that it uses a lot of copyrighted elements.

32:57And, you know, there's a question of, okay, how much of that can actually be used as is?

33:03How much of it required a license?

33:05And while the book I wrote as, hey, can I do a better job of it?

33:09I tried to write it from an approach of, yeah, there's going to be that reference stuff in there.

33:14But that's not going to be the focus where that's more something I can sprinkle on top as a fun

33:19addition.

33:20But there's still things in there where I have to ask and I've never really figured out for certain.

33:26How much of this can I actually use as is and how much do I have to rewrite to make

33:32it copyright acceptable to make it fit within copyright laws?

33:37So that's...

33:37That may be...

33:39I mean, that is arguably maybe the biggest thing I want to try and figure out next.

33:44Because if, you know, depending on how much change and the ability to actually get it published, that may be

33:51what I want to try and do next.

33:54You know, partially because, you know, it's already mostly ready to go.

33:57And then there's also, there's a bit of a, I don't know, it's kind of silly, but this idea of,

34:04you know, at least for a few, you know, sci-fi, fantasy, sci-fi with, you know, book order release.

34:11Which I don't expect I'd keep up for long, but at the same time, it's kind of fun to play

34:16with that.

34:17Well, I've broken my rule.

34:19Well, I've been involved in politics and all that and marketing.

34:24Usually you want to repeat at least seven times.

34:28So I haven't said Michael Stranglin, even though there's an E in there, enough in this episode.

34:36But it will, of course, be on the bottom of the screen.

34:40And then even the pirate snuck in there.

34:41Yeah.

34:43Exactly.

34:44The pirate got you when you least expected it.

34:46Yeah.

34:46So, but yeah, in post for the video, obviously, at least the name will be on a scrawl, but for

34:55audio and transcript, I'll say it again.

35:00Thank you, Michael Stranglin, spelled St-S.

35:04No, I put an R in there.

35:06I did.

35:07You say your name.

35:09Yes, Stanglin, S-T-A-N-G-E-L-A-N-D.

35:14Yeah, I kept trying to put an R back in there, didn't I?

35:18Like I said, it's a really petty, really petty pirate that's haunting me.

35:25So, but that's not the last question.

35:28The last usual question, and of course, the time has flown, as it usually does.

35:33Do you have a website for people to find you?

35:38I did, you know, it wasn't that long ago that I really wouldn't have been able to say as much,

35:44but I did recently kind of give in and I created a sub stack that I decided, you know, I'm

35:51going to try taking a crack at this for my online headquarters.

35:56There's not much now, there's currently, like, just an intro article and a single, like a reused piece of poetry,

36:03but I am working on stuff and I'm going to be using that, that sub, I'm going to try using

36:09that sub stack as my online headquarters.

36:12So, and I called it very creatively, he said, ironically, Stanglin stack.

36:19Ah, okay, yep, yep, that's Stanglin, Stanglin stack is the name of it, and so it would be stanglinstack.substack

36:30.com.

36:31However, the sub stack addresses work, I'm, I mean, it's a work in progress and I really haven't committed to

36:40knowing the ins and outs of that stuff yet.

36:42I'm jlenardetroit.substack.com.

36:45So, yeah, I don't know, I think it's actually, I think the actual address is M.K. Stanglin Jr. at

36:52Substack, or, like, it's my, my, the same way I write it on my books that uses for the actual

37:00address.

37:01All right, well, I'm going to leave it open and just put, find him at Substack.

37:08Yeah, that or, that or I could, that or just share the, yeah, share the address.

37:12Hey, you're on Amazon, yes?

37:15The book, yes, the books are on Amazon and other online retailers.

37:21The Moondragon is, I mean, is also, also is on the, the website for the publisher, the Book Locker, as

37:30an alternative for those who want to get it through a direct site or, you know, prefer to find alternatives

37:38to Amazon or whatever.

37:39But they're widely available now.

37:42And by the time you, by the time this releases, it's, the hardcover for the second book, the Moondragon book

37:49should also be widely available.

37:51All right.

37:51Yeah.

37:52And, uh, it used to be the number we'd give, 80% of all books are sold through Amazon.

38:00I think it's probably closer to 90% now, but.

38:06Well, I'm not, I'm not the one taking care of where the books are sold through.

38:10I mean, I'm using a hybrid publisher.

38:11And one of the things that the hybrid publisher deals with is they take care of the hard job of

38:17making, of putting the book out there.

38:20Mm-hmm.

38:21Yeah.

38:21Like my first, I went through Illumify Media, which created McHenry Press for my book.

38:28And it went through IngramSpark.

38:31So it's sounding like they put it on IngramSpark so that, indeed, Barnes & Noble, Books A Million, and all

38:39of them would pick it up.

38:41Yeah.

38:43All right.

38:43Well, thank you.

38:45I may try to say it right this time.

38:47Michael Stanglin.

38:50You got it.

38:51No R in there.

38:51There is an E, but there's no R.

38:54Yes.

38:54I appreciate you coming by today.

38:58Take care.

38:58God bless.

38:59Yep.

38:59Thank you for having me on.

39:01And you have a good evening.

39:46Life has its ups and downs.

39:49Like a tilted world can spin us around.

39:52Life like an amusement park

39:55But not always too amusing

39:59Ups, downs, happy and sad

40:03Cycles and seasons

40:05Sometimes lost

40:08Others feel we're found

40:13Wait, it can turn around

40:20Hold on

40:22Don't let go now

40:27It can turn around

40:28It can turn around

40:32Ups to the sky

40:36Downs in the ground

40:38Oh, it can turn around

40:42Oh, it can turn around

40:45Oh, if you feel lost

40:49You can be found

40:54Morning comes in pieces

40:55Then the day leans hard

41:00One foot in the dust

41:02One hand on the bars

41:06Some days break you open

41:09Some days let you breathe

41:12Still the wheel keeps moving

41:16Still the wheel keeps moving

41:17Still you have to leave

41:21Wait, it can turn around

41:26Hold on

41:29Don't let go now

41:33It can turn around

41:36It can turn around

41:39Oh, it can turn around

41:53Oh, if you feel lost

41:57You can be found

41:59You can be found

42:02Season after season

42:04We learn the ride

42:09Every fall can teach us how to climb

42:13So when the wall gets heavy

42:17So when the wall gets heavy

42:18Hear me now

42:21What spins you down

42:24Today

42:26Can't turn around

42:30It can turn around

42:33It can turn around

42:36Ups to the sky

42:40Downs in the ground

42:44It can turn around

42:46Oh, it can turn around

42:49It can turn around

42:50Oh, it can turn around

42:51Oh, you feel lost

42:53You can be found

42:57It can turn around

43:00It can turn around

43:01It can turn around

43:02It can turn around

43:06Rollercoasters

43:08Life has its ups and downs

43:11Like a

43:12Tilted world can spin us around

43:14Life, life

43:16Like an amusement park

43:18But not always

43:20Too amusing

43:25Ups, downs, happy and sad

43:27Cycles and seas

43:29Sometimes lost

43:32Others feel we're found

43:35Wait

43:37It can turn around

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