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00:00louder than life is before that the guys from megadeth are playing will you stick around and
00:03watch that look to me i don't care anymore it's not my band anymore that group as it sits now
00:09is
00:09is not my megadeth it's dave's band and he's doing his thing and like i always said five years ago
00:15i wish you well rock metal frog and everything in between welcome to this episode of talking
00:23rock with meltdown don't forget to follow the audio only talking rock podcast on all podcast
00:28platforms and now it's time for today's conversation here's meltdown by the way you got
00:34that led zeppelin shirt and uh i did get a chance to one time interview uh john paul jones which
00:39was
00:39really cool nice very good yeah you know you know it's funny with zeppelin because we were just in
00:45ireland with kings of thrash and near belfast is where they did the one of the album covers
00:53and you know i kind of missed zeppelin because of my age you know when i was getting into rock
00:59and
00:59roll it was kind of 1974 to 76 when i started hearing sweets bachman turner overdrive on the
01:08radio you know ballroom blitz the not fragile record you know like you ain't seen nothing yet
01:12this kind of stuff so i was pretty young kid sticks lorelei and don't forget about kiss
01:17lady well and kiss started then kind of edging in for me more probably rock and roll all night but
01:23then for sure shout it out loud which was 1976 right from the destroyer album which is that's my
01:30kiss record right so point being zeppelin um you know i didn't live near minneapolis so i heard rock
01:38and roll on wls am out of chicago on the school bus in the morning right and um so that
01:44was where i got
01:45my musical education and it's funny that next to all the stuff i liked was what is today called
01:51yacht rock right like basically 10 cc hall and oats uh j ferguson thunder island you know that so that's
01:59why i think i like yacht rock so much is because it's it's a it's the familiar ballad version of
02:06what
02:07i was growing up with next to the sweet bto kiss and porter you know we heard all the yacht
02:12rock in
02:13our parents car growing up you know what it's great stuff man i mean it's like it's funny that
02:19kenny loggins and michael mcdonald are like the heroes you know what i mean they're they were like
02:23the the cory taylor and uh i don't know who else would be but like the guys that are like
02:29on everybody's
02:30record like the the in demand guys to call you know uh you know it's it's surprising that that
02:35that uh yachtley crew played here in detroit not that long ago and i took my friend chris fain who
02:41used to be in slipknot who is a gigantic yacht rock fan i mean he called me up one time
02:46asking for
02:47tickets for hollow notes i'm like for for who he goes for me i love the hall notes dude totally
02:52and
02:52look i pull off my shop i pull off my foreigner cup i got my kiss cup my iron maiden
02:57today i'm pulling
02:58off the fight went to see foreigner a couple months ago you know they're great as always and so funny
03:02jeff pilsen and a good friend from doc and you know he he's like the he's like the long time
03:07guy now
03:08in the band you know so he's the anchor guy so the og of foreigner the og of foreigner yeah
03:14exactly
03:15kind of sort of but anyways uh yeah well you got like how many projects are you working on now
03:20about 27 50 well i i'm the truth be known i'm thinning it out um and just and it's funny
03:27how
03:28life just works this way right because you know i went through this very explosive season
03:33you know post megadeth there's you know the lucid the nick menza film kings of thrash started uh i had
03:40diet you know there's just there was a lot right things are coming my way and and i'm a guy
03:44who gets
03:45on a plane and flies to poland flies to florida flies to wherever and sight unseen don't know the guys
03:52had a conversation heard some music sure i'm in let's go you know fly with the bass and plug in
03:57and
03:57let's let's see what we create um that's how i you know that's how megadeth started right i
04:03moved from minnesota with my friend greg we moved to hollywood meet dave a week later we're starting
04:08megadeth you know that's just that's to me you got to get in the room to be part of the
04:12conversation
04:13or maybe even make the conversation just like you and i are doing right you text me i said no
04:18problem
04:19let's do it next thing you know here we are so um that's how my musical career has been too
04:24just
04:24just say yes and get in the room and see what see what happens you know so but i think
04:29now you
04:30know with metal church coming into my my life here uh which started last year i just i just turned
04:38in
04:38the the latest ellipson soto record unbreakable to ratback records and joe who's the owner he um
04:45he said he goes hey um good i'll get this all put together we'll put it out he goes hey
04:50um
04:52want to play in the new metal church album i go fuck yeah of course yeah i said send over
04:57uh
04:57send over the tunes let me hear it you know and um the demos are you know basically it's what
05:03we
05:04hear is the dead to rights album is pretty much done written brian allen the new singer had already
05:09done his uh some scratch tracks on it which sounded killer i got to the phone with kurt mannerhoof who
05:16just lives over in california not far from me uh down the freeway i'm you know a new band was
05:22born
05:22and so you know metal church uh you know 20 26 i guess we could say right since the album
05:30just came
05:30out in april so um and you know it's really it's great i love you know kurt's been such a
05:36great guy
05:36and a good friend over the years i think the first time we played with them megadeth we were out
05:42on the killing is my business tour with exciter they were on the violence and force album and we
05:47were doing killing is my business and we had two final dates at the end of that tour in uh
05:52summer of
05:52uh 85 1985 and they were up in uh portland at the starry nights and then the mountaineer ballroom
06:01up in seattle and uh metal church around the bill so super excited because the metal church album had
06:06you know the first that first album is just one of those it's one of those great records like the
06:12sex pistols never mind the bollocks like guns and roses appetite for destruction you know it's just
06:17that that debut album that is just flawless you know it's just awesome from top to bottom you know
06:25all killer no filler kind of thing so um you know that was my introduction to metal church and i've
06:31been a fan ever since so it's kind of like i joined one of my favorite bands yeah yeah super
06:36great
06:36yeah and then uh obviously you play songs off that debut record on stage how's that feel
06:42it's awesome man it's so i go over to kurt and i rock out with him a little bit i
06:47go over to his
06:47side of the stage you know after the show you know we're just grinning you know after our first show
06:53when we launched the band we played a festival down in uh mexico back in may and i just told
06:58him a good
06:58dude it is so cool to be in a band with you and play your songs and stand next to
07:04you and you know
07:04he said hey it's the same for me so just mutual respect of course um and it's just it's great
07:11you
07:11know it's you know we're we've grown up around each other in the scene etc um and i didn't realize
07:18how far back you know his you know uh his whole thing with when he was playing in punk bands
07:25in
07:26in san francisco i guess he was playing with one of the guys from the melvins and he had an
07:31apartment
07:31called the metal church and that's and that's where they'd all go party right it's like you know
07:36so uh he said lars would come over and you know they'd they'd freaking get everybody be partying
07:42and playing air guitar and and um you know so that and then he had to move to la and
07:47i think he said at
07:49one point he was talking to lars about you know joining his new band which would have been metal
07:52church you know so i guess lars could have been the drummer in metal church but he had to move
07:56to la
07:57and then he and james got together and they started metallica you know so i mean it's it's so funny
08:02and you can see you know i see the handbills when when um uh when um metallica were debuting jason
08:11newstead after the you know sad passing of cliff burden their their warm-up shows were opening for
08:17metal church at the country club in la you know so these guys have been friends they've been family
08:23for years you know for decades you know so um and of course we saw metallica on your birthday here
08:29three years ago yeah exactly yeah exactly so it's um you know and those guys have just been so great
08:37you know they've they've always they've always been great i mean and coming up here on the 40th
08:42anniversary of the passing of cliff um yeah that's right so that's um people asking me of course about
08:50that since i played on that anesthesia pulling teeth uh track for um you know for silver linings
08:56records they they tapped me to to do that a couple years ago and uh that was that was cool
09:01i i you know
09:02i i as a player as a fan as a listener i hear you know metallica records with cliff but
09:08it wasn't until
09:09literally i was sitting right here in this chair i'm picking up my jackson bass trying to
09:13play anesthesia i'm like oh my gosh it's like i think they got the wrong guy i don't i'm not
09:18all
09:19know if i'm gonna be able to play this because i couldn't get into the you know i play real
09:22clean
09:23you know and with a pick and everything and it's and and so i called aria pro and they sent
09:29me out
09:29one of his signature bases and his signature wah fuzz pedal and when i plugged that in i got a
09:36little
09:36marshal back here i plugged that out and went ah there it is you know that was that was the
09:41path
09:41in the cliffs world you know um you had to have the right vehicle you know with the bass and
09:48the
09:48pedal and and all that that piece of music is you know so once i got in there i'm like
09:52ah there it is
09:53okay and then i could kind of get into you know exploring how he played and what he was you
10:00know
10:00trying to say you know through that through that piece of music and you know pretty pretty ballsy having
10:06a bass solo on your debut album you know so uh so anyway yeah good good long history with with
10:13metallica you know and for me it's been all good you know and of course so you're coming here to
10:17detroit september 18th with the metal church and that's a pretty busy weekend louder than life is
10:22before that and i i gotta ask you the guys from megan out there playing will you stick around and
10:26watch them or is it like you know i i don't know i i i saw what i i look
10:30kind of look at like
10:31like being an ex-girlfriend or something i'd be like no i am out of here but i don't know
10:34you're you're
10:35you're a different cat well you know i saw steve harris on the uh monsters rock cruise and he's
10:43great you know he just hangs out he's he just hangs out with everybody you know on the boat he's
10:47he's a
10:48cool guy and he's just very approachable and kind and everything so you know we were chatting a little
10:52bit and i said hey i'll see you louder in life you know i'm playing the metal church now so
10:56i was on
10:57the boat with ellison soto um back in whenever that was yeah april may may have april whatever so um
11:04yeah i mean look to me i don't care anymore you know i haven't been in megadeth now in five
11:10years
11:10and you know i've i've done so much more my musical palette is wide it's full i've got you know
11:18a whole
11:19new friend group and buddy group and you know i mean i'm in a new tribe you know and that
11:24doesn't
11:25negate you know the music and you know and all that yeah obviously look i was just out for two
11:30weeks
11:30with kings of thrash playing yeah playing songs probably that megadeth won't be playing you know
11:35when i see them next week you know will i stay around and see you know but who cares i
11:39i don't
11:40mind whatever you know it's it's not my band anymore that that that group as it sits now is is
11:47not my
11:47megadeth you know so to me it's just it's it's dave's band and he's doing his thing and
11:54like i always said five years ago i wish you well you know yeah yeah yeah yeah all i can
12:00think of
12:00is you standing on the side of the corner on the side of the stage like in spinal tap i
12:04do this
12:07you know i'm grateful for my time there the band wouldn't have happened without me you know i'm a
12:13founder of it i helped start it my me and my friend greg you know there's a long story that's
12:18why on my podcast and the david elson show i had greg canovan on there so he could go back
12:22tell the
12:22story um you know and sort of put some of the some of the early pieces together um and you
12:30know
12:30kind of tell the really full story of what really happened rather than through any one of our singular
12:37memories you know put it together um you know the you know you try to piece together what really
12:44happened i guess it's kind of like a documentary right you get a whole bunch of people to weigh in
12:47you kind of get the full all the color you know but um you know so like that was that
12:53was you know
12:53one part of the journey for me you know and i'm always grateful for it i'm you know like i
12:59said i
12:59was out doing kings of thrash playing you know the those earlier records and you know fans loved hearing
13:05that in the way that we did it which i think is pretty damn good um and so there can
13:12be both you
13:13know so you don't have to hate one in order to love the other you know i i never understood
13:18that
13:18you know i i have metallic and megadeth records you know i say one to be the other you know
13:23and
13:24so and i was in megadeth you know so for me um why not why not why not have all
13:30of it you know
13:31yeah check it out for sure you kind of touched on it but i guess uh expand a little bit
13:36on this are
13:37are you kind of are you kind of trying to put all your eggs in one basket now or just
13:41a couple
13:42baskets as opposed to trying to spread yourself out then well i didn't try to spread myself too
13:47thin it just happened that way you know um and and i think you know life that was just the
13:52course of
13:52where it was it was like this big blooming onion right you know it's like it's just blossomed open
13:59and all these new path pathways opened up and new friendships and musical friendships and so i just
14:06went with it you know i i thought why not let's let's go have all of it you know yes
14:10uh all 32
14:11flavors of baskin robbins why not you know um because when you're in one band you're very singular
14:17you know you have to be you have to be very singular in that in order to especially to start
14:21something and
14:22to really go for the gusto and have the success that you know like we had with megadeth you know
14:27you
14:27have to do that you can't be scattered you can't be in five different canoes you got to be
14:32in one one voice one team you know um so but now that you know i'm past that and so
14:40i got to have
14:41this season i've just had these last few years but now you know with metal church i like being in
14:46one
14:46group and and um i'm very active in decisions with the group and all that kind of stuff and and
14:55so i feel
14:55like it's a full use of all my faculties of music business all of it you know that i get
15:01to kind of
15:02bring my whole cache of everything that i've collected over the years my experience and contacts
15:08and everything and bring that now into into metal church um so that we can we can be bigger and
15:15better together yeah i guess you just kind of hit the the nail on the head which was what i
15:19was
15:19trying to get at was like yeah yeah you're kind of now focused on just the one thing and it's
15:23it's a metal church you know yeah and and there's a lot there you know we're we're booked
15:28through next year you know so um there's a lot of planning i think what it hit me it to
15:34me it just
15:35all came into focus so clear it wasn't just okay i'll play bass and some songs it wasn't that it
15:40was
15:40kind of like the whole vision kind of a multi-year plan a timeline just to me seemed obvious and
15:48maybe
15:48it's because i'm new to the group and i i also know the history um and seeing where i would
15:57love
15:57my friend kurt to land and and finish strong and have metal church held in high regard and
16:03you know it's always been a super respected light well-liked band um and the music i mean
16:11there's not a bad album in the catalog that i know of you know and they're all strong um so
16:17to me
16:17it's more about kind of just laser focusing and really sharpening you know the point on it you
16:24know so that it that it it it ends well and it and it's it's um you know i think
16:30we we've got a good
16:31start with this with this dead to rights album the new lineup um the i think we we sound good
16:38live
16:38brian allen is just a fantastic singer todd latori from queens right helped him basically got him in the
16:45band he found him you know i guess he was out with brian saying with trauma and trauma was out
16:50on a
16:51queens right tour and i guess he called the label and goes dude here's your guy this is your guy
16:56and
16:57i i agree he's he just nails it you know and in a way that the fans want to hear
17:02you know they want
17:03to hear david wayne like they close their eyes and they hear gods of wrath and it's like oh my
17:08god
17:08that's it there it is you know he can hit the mike howe stuff it's he really does does all
17:13of it
17:14justice and i feel the same way you know i mean i always i guess sound like me but you
17:18know my i'm a
17:19big fan of duke's bass playing those early records um his work in the band i you know um so
17:26for me
17:27um like you said i get i get to be a fan and in the band at the same time
17:32and right which is really a
17:34big gift you know hey let's uh switch gears here real fast um uh this uh bunker heights looks pretty
17:39interesting so so tell me about that i know you gotta there's some detroit boys in there with uh
17:43with vinnie dombrowski from sponge and of course you mentioned the lucid i just saw him the other day
17:47and also uh violent jay from insane clown posse a couple detroit guys yeah well it's funny so when i
17:54saw you with the metallica show three years ago it was my 59th birthday i guess right yeah um so
18:00uh it
18:00was november of that year so right after that i drove down to um god where do we do it
18:07ohio i guess
18:08is where we did it was a couple hours away i drove down there and that's where we shot my
18:13scene
18:14um i get to play i get to truly act because it's a very different character than if you would
18:19know me
18:20to be you know um um you know cop gone bad kind of thing you know what i mean like
18:27chicago pd
18:28sort of style you know you shot that three years ago yeah i did yeah that's how long this thing
18:34has
18:34been in motion so so drew fortier who is not only a great songwriter with the lucid he's an incredibly
18:41gifted um he writes great film stories he's a great actor um and he calls all of his friends you
18:49know
18:49it's it's i guess it's like if you're you know if you're um you know oh god i forget his
18:56name but
18:57you're the guy that played in rock star the movie uh it's what's mark walberg yeah walberg the
19:03walberg right he's like mark he calls off his buddies you know what i mean it's like entourage
19:06right you get your all you bring all your buddies in right or adam sandler yeah you can call your
19:12buddies and have your friends and so that's how drew is you know um but he's super talented um and
19:19so
19:19they they did a great job i mean it's all original content there's no ai stuff there's no library
19:25footage they shot everything from the ground up and it's it is really a polished horror film it's it's
19:31really good so yeah we're looking to go out and probably do some appearances for it you know some
19:35you know the horror conventions we're getting um did some screenings and you know all that kind of
19:41stuff so which is which is cool you know it's a fun thing to do yeah i want to check
19:45that out for sure
19:45because uh you know i'm a horror movie junkie so i gotta i gotta be able to watch this it's
19:49right up
19:50your alley you'll definitely dig it you'll dig it and by the way speaking of things i dug just recently
19:55um have you seen rush on this tour i haven't um and i haven't had time unfortunately um i've had
20:03i know you've been busy traveling around the world i have and i literally haven't had time when they
20:07were in la i i i missed it i actually had a friend call me about seeing him in you
20:13know 10th row
20:14madison square garden which i've you know i was like i can't i'm i'm on stage with metal church in
20:19europe that day you know what i mean so look i'm glad to be working i'm glad to be playing
20:23and doing my
20:23own thing um you know but but yeah i definitely plan on seeing have you seen them i saw them
20:30uh
20:30here in detroit about a week and a half ago it was unbelievable it looks incredible yeah it was great
20:35now i had um valerie franco drummer from spinal tap um i played with her at the rock and roll
20:43fantasy
20:43camp here with the alice cooper rob albert fantasy camp last uh last november and then i had her on
20:49my
20:49podcast and she was talking about annika uh who's now in in rush and um she spoke very highly i
20:57guess
20:57they're both kind of from neighboring villages in germany um and so spoke very highly to her
21:03style and her skills and disciplines of that's the kind of drummer you need to be to be in rush
21:11you know
21:11i think it's awesome man i think they totally made the right choice she looks cool it looks like
21:16they're having fun you know bands take their tolls on you on your relationships on friendships um
21:24sometimes getting away from them for a while you know the memory grows fonder and it's great to see
21:30alex and getty having fun and and um it's just it's just great to see it all back you know
21:38and i mean
21:38opening with xanadu i think is what i saw from la i'm like come on you know they did what
21:44i would want
21:45which is go back into the set list and pull out the deep dives you know 2112 xanadu you know
21:51all
21:52this stuff that guys like you and me grew up with you know and it's like play that stuff you
21:56know
21:57now they played uh the show i saw they played uh the entire um uh um moving pictures they played
22:032112 the the previous night so i mean what more could you ask for yeah and talk about you know
22:09i feel
22:10i i get it because i feel like we did this with kings of thrash we put the time in
22:14we deep dived
22:15we we spent the time learning the songs man we went deep into full albums so when i saw them
22:21doing
22:21that i'm like you know good for them they're not just phoning it in it's not just a cash grab
22:26it's
22:26not you know like it looks like they're really into it you know which is what we want to see
22:31right
22:31from anybody right artists and you know it's you know iron maidens seem like they do it you know
22:37metallica you know never you know no repeat weekends and stuff so it's like it's you've got
22:42the songs you've got the repertoire like do the homework like do you do your job you're charging that
22:48much money for a ticket these days and i know it's not the bands that set the ticket prices but
22:53it's like for that kind of money like put some meat on the bone you know what i mean so
22:57um
22:58it was great yeah it was great i was stoked to see that yeah no they played uh they played
23:02two
23:03sets you know like come on take a 25 minute break come on play the full record then after that
23:07it's
23:08incredible yeah yeah that's like what i saw with pink floyd when i first moved here to to phoenix
23:13back in 93 they they played the the stadium here asu stadium and it was uh division bell i think
23:20and
23:20the same thing right it was like everybody joked it's like you know our set flip the cd take a
23:26break
23:26come back in the next one because i mean it sounded so good it sounded like a cd you know
23:31but um but i i love that man i think it's it's it's cool that you know that uh that
23:37that they're
23:38doing it i'm definitely gonna see it at some point if not this year i actually it won't be this
23:42year
23:42for sure i'm i'm too busy but um for sure in 2027 i definitely want to see it yeah well
23:48you are busy
23:49got a show coming up here on the 18th of september at the token lounge and then and then you
23:54got that
23:54metal saint tour which drops uh comes out i should say starts in november and then uh you also got
24:00your base warrior tour you got a lot of stuff happening until before the end of the year
24:03yeah this is kind of the you know there's a lot here you know as metal church is ramping up
24:09i'm
24:10kind of winding down some other stuff you know you know kings of thrash started as you know kind of
24:14a
24:15two-year concept and we'll see where it goes and it ended up being a four-year thing you know
24:19and
24:20i mean we finished really strong across norway the uk ireland we played the stone dead festival
24:25it was a great way to finish strong and now kind of just park that to the side here for
24:31a while i
24:32mean people the phone's always gonna ring for that people are always gonna want to hear me go out and
24:35play megadeth songs you know so i'm not closing the door on that at all but at some point you
24:39kind
24:40of gotta give some you know that's what i said is that look this you know metal church records coming
24:45out we're gonna have a lot of touring for a couple years i i really need to give that a
24:48fair
24:48runway and i want to give it a fair runway so that we can get out and do what we
24:52need to do
24:53um so yeah the metal saint tour uh us metal church armored saint coming up here in november we're doing
24:59the the uh western half of the usa um so that leaves the door open for you know more uh
25:07of that you
25:08know more more to come um and then um yeah it's not even announced yet but we you and me
25:15are talking
25:15about it so i'm talking about here but yeah i've got a couple weeks of uh bass warrior which is
25:20my
25:20david allison solo right with my italian band i call it bass warrior just because you know never
25:26stop i just go out into warrior and fucking play always right but uh i do that across europe um
25:33so i'm gonna do two final weeks of that in december uh just as a way to close that up
25:38as well i i i had
25:39really good success with that we've been playing the countdown to extinction album top to bottom and it's
25:44just it's one of my it's one of my favorite records and it's certainly one of the favorite
25:49ones of mine in my discography um why is that you know i just we put the time in on
25:57it you know
25:57not that we didn't put the time in on any others i mean my god rust in peace you know
26:01it was a year
26:01and a half almost two years in the making you know what i mean so like these these yeah it's
26:05not
26:05like we ever phoned any of them in by by any means you know but um but that was just
26:10a record that
26:11there was this conscious conscience consciousness in the band and our management as a real team i just
26:19have good memories of that really being a team we were really working like a band we were working
26:24like a team we each had our own role we each had our own lane everybody was bringing their best
26:30you know songwriting to the table their ideas we were collaborative you know really the 90s you know
26:37rust in peace lineup as people call it menza friedman you know me and dave you know that those
26:42that that that tenure still created some of the most productive years of our musical output you know
26:51and um and there's a reason it was it was collaborative it was um we just you know we we
26:58we
26:59we sounded good together we work good together and uh so that's why to me not only are the songs
27:05outstanding on that record but it represents to me a a a favored era you know that i really um
27:13enjoyed
27:14you know and the uh the success was i mean obvious it was huge yeah it was huge and so
27:20look that makes
27:20it easy to go out and play the record top to bottom you know what i mean is uh you
27:24know people know the
27:25songs you know and it's a very listenable uh record to play live you know when you play it
27:31there's not so much mosh pits and people just thrashing and stage diving it's you know like
27:36they would be with peace cells or rusted bees or you know so far it's good so what this kind
27:40of stuff
27:40so it's it's a more kind of people are standing sitting listening paying attention singing along
27:48um and that is a really good feeling in the room you know when we're doing that so and i
27:53got a couple
27:54a couple new places we're going you know croatia serbia ireland with it you know some some new
28:00places so i i like you know to me i love putting flags on a poster you know countries the
28:07flags of
28:07the countries you know to me it's uh it's it's not so much about me going there it's it's just
28:13to say
28:14that see this music works everywhere you know this this is international global music this you know
28:21um that that's to me just i i think it's just such a great statement for how far reaching
28:26the the songs are and and remain all these years later yeah it is pretty cool that you've had a
28:31chance to uh to tour the world playing music over and over again yeah right that's why i tell people
28:39you know every tour i'm on i'm like you know take advantage of this because one day it will be
28:46the
28:46last time you do it either you'll die or something that'll be it whatever you know but but you know
28:51or the you know covet hits or whatever the hell happens you know what i mean but it's like just
28:55just
28:56be thankful man that people still want to hear our songs even metal church you know we're out there
29:00playing these songs i'm like i'm watching people in the front row in those front rows especially when
29:05we hit like god's wrath you know which is one of these great songs and when brian hits those notes
29:10on
29:10that chorus and i see people at this like you know men and women just like going oh my god
29:15he did it
29:16oh it's like you know seeing seeing the christ to the you know it is like oh my god there
29:22he is you
29:22know it's it's it's it's it changes people's lives man and that is such a cool thing that makes you
29:29realize you know we're just a even as the musicians the artists we're just a such a small piece of
29:36of the
29:36bigger picture yeah well i'll tell you what i can't wait to see those notes can't wait to see you
29:40coming up on the uh 18th it's it's been a little bit so uh looking forward to seeing him able
29:44to grab
29:45some dinner or something who knows likewise as we always do i'm sure we will so yeah it's a good
29:50old
29:50token lounge here that's right token lounge september 18th and of course on that big uh that metal saint
29:56tour like you said in november uh david always great to see you man thanks so much for the time
30:00appreciate you too meltdown good chat buddy see ya check out talking rock with meltdown on all podcast
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