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Nora Bateson highlights the role of intergenerational relationships in sustainable development

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00:01Hello, and it's been a wonderful day, hasn't it?
00:06I'd really like to just have a moment to give thanks
00:11for all the people who have made this possible.
00:19There's a lot of people putting their heart and soul into this,
00:23and it shows.
00:27So, I wanted to bring to the conversation
00:32a sort of a dizzying reality around the habits of the way
00:43most of us who have been through a school system
00:47and taken part in the modern world,
00:51the habits of how we've come to perceive.
00:56And I wanted to start with this quote from my father,
01:01which is, ironically, probably the most famous quote
01:06that he never said.
01:10And I'm pretty sure he never said it because...
01:15Because, now I'm not exactly sure in the Portuguese translation,
01:21but funciona.
01:22Funciona.
01:23Okay.
01:24So, that is not a word he would use.
01:30Okay.
01:31So, this quote comes from a talk he gave
01:37in which he said something like,
01:41the major problems in the world
01:43are the result of the difference
01:46between the way nature learns
01:50in mutual interdependent processes of vitality,
01:57and the way people think.
02:00But there was an editor.
02:03And the editor had been through the school systems
02:07and lived in the modern world
02:09and did the thing,
02:12which is he changed that
02:14to how, in English, it's how nature works.
02:17In Portuguese, how nature functions.
02:20And both of those words refer to mechanism.
02:25Both of them secretly call up in us
02:30a familiar world of mechanistic process,
02:37which is very different
02:40than the way life makes life.
02:47My father,
02:50I want to mention him
02:52because one of the most important pieces of work
02:56that we can do right now,
02:58and thank you, Denise, for bringing this in,
03:02is in the intergenerational conversation.
03:06The way that each of us
03:10is in relationship
03:11to the generations who came before
03:14and the generations who are younger than us
03:17and the ones not yet here.
03:21How are these habits of thinking
03:24being transmitted invisibly
03:28between the generations?
03:30And how do we change that?
03:32So one of the things
03:34that has happened in my family
03:38is that
03:42even though
03:43every ancient culture
03:46since ever
03:48has known
03:49that life was
03:51an interdependent
03:54process of vitality
03:56producing more vitality,
03:59it really has taken
04:01quite a bit of time
04:02for this to come
04:04to Western science
04:05and to the academy.
04:08It's problematic.
04:10And my grandfather,
04:13he was the person
04:15who actually coined
04:17the term genetics
04:18back in 1905.
04:22And during that time,
04:25there was another darling
04:27of science.
04:28And the darling of science
04:30at that time
04:31was eugenics.
04:33Not the same.
04:35Genetics is the study
04:37of how things change
04:39over time,
04:40how organisms change.
04:43And eugenics is the study
04:45of how you make them change.
04:48Not the same.
04:50So this eugenics piece
04:56was an obvious consequence
05:00that came out
05:02of the industrial era.
05:05and in the industrial era,
05:08there were,
05:10there was a time
05:12when if you want to study
05:14systems change,
05:16study that moment.
05:17Because in that time period,
05:20those ideas
05:21of how things work,
05:23how to make things
05:24optimized,
05:25efficient,
05:26faster,
05:27better,
05:27cheaper,
05:28the factory,
05:29the machine,
05:30how that came to be
05:32and infected everything.
05:35It infected
05:36the health system,
05:37the education system,
05:39the economic system,
05:41the political system,
05:43the family.
05:44It infected
05:45even architecture,
05:47agriculture,
05:48everywhere.
05:50It was a transcontextual,
05:52multifaceted
05:53systems change
05:55that we haven't
05:56gotten over yet.
05:58So when my dad says
06:01the major problems
06:03in the world
06:04are the result
06:05of the difference
06:06between how nature
06:07produces life
06:09through mutually
06:11vital processes
06:13that are in
06:13interdependent relationship,
06:19what he's saying
06:21is that those ideas
06:24that came
06:26with eugenics
06:28have actually
06:30become
06:31so deeply
06:33entrenched
06:34that even
06:36in the best
06:38of intentions
06:39they sneak
06:41into a project
06:42that should
06:44be about
06:45the ecology,
06:47that could
06:48be about
06:50multiculturalism,
06:52that could
06:52be
06:54holding
06:55other ideas
06:56if they sneak
06:57in.
06:58I wanted
07:00to give you
07:00this example.
07:03This is
07:03maybe you
07:05had this
07:05in 10th grade,
07:07the lifeboat
07:08story.
07:09And in the
07:10lifeboat story,
07:12which was
07:14offered by
07:15a guy named
07:16Garrett Hardin,
07:17who wrote
07:18The Tragedy
07:19of the Commons,
07:22he offers
07:24an ethics
07:24question,
07:26what I would
07:27consider to be
07:28a very cruel
07:29ethics question.
07:30And the ethics
07:32question that he
07:33gives is,
07:34imagine that
07:36you're on a
07:37lifeboat
07:38that has
07:3950 seats
07:40and there's
07:41100 people
07:42in the water.
07:43How will you
07:45choose who
07:46is saved?
07:49this is a
07:50horrible
07:51question,
07:52horrifying
07:53question.
07:56And I
07:57want you
07:57to know
07:58that Garrett
07:59Hardin was
08:00a card-carrying
08:02eugenicist.
08:03This is a
08:04eugenics
08:05question.
08:06Because what
08:08happens
08:08is that whether
08:10you're in your
08:11university or
08:12in 10th grade,
08:14the students
08:15or the people
08:16in the room
08:16begin to
08:17think of
08:18criteria.
08:20Okay,
08:21we'll keep
08:21the old
08:21people because
08:22they have
08:23wisdom.
08:24No,
08:25we'll keep
08:25the young
08:26people because
08:27they have
08:28a future.
08:29No,
08:29we'll keep
08:30the healthy
08:31people because
08:32they have a
08:33lesser cost
08:34to society.
08:35No,
08:36we'll keep
08:36the sick
08:37people because
08:38if we don't,
08:39we're immoral.
08:41every one
08:43of those
08:43versions
08:44is frankly
08:45disgusting.
08:47And if
08:48that's the
08:49lifeboat,
08:50thanks anyway.
08:51I don't
08:52really want
08:53to survive.
08:56So what's
08:57missing from
08:58Garrett Hardin's
09:00story is
09:02the complexity,
09:03the beautiful,
09:05fantastic,
09:06impossible
09:07complexity of
09:09every living
09:09being because
09:11what's in
09:12the water
09:12is a hundred
09:13people,
09:14not a hundred
09:15floating numbers.
09:17And every
09:18one of those
09:19people has
09:20a history,
09:21has a life,
09:23has experience,
09:24has stories.
09:27And if it's
09:28all of us
09:28and we're
09:29going to try
09:29to figure out
09:30how to get
09:31on lifeboats,
09:32I'm not
09:32leaving you
09:33behind.
09:35Okay,
09:36we're going
09:36to figure
09:37it out.
09:37we'll take
09:39turns swimming,
09:40we'll tie
09:40our clothes
09:41together,
09:42we'll use
09:42the furniture,
09:44we're going
09:44to do
09:45everything.
09:47I'm going
09:48to find
09:49out who
09:51I am
09:52when I'm
09:53with you.
09:54Who can
09:55I be
09:56when I'm
09:57with you?
09:58Who can
09:59you be
10:00when you're
10:01with me?
10:04right?
10:05So it's
10:05not about
10:05what I
10:06can do
10:07and what
10:07you can
10:08do
10:08and what
10:09they can
10:09do.
10:10It's about
10:11what we
10:11bring out
10:12in each
10:13other.
10:14Because
10:15when I'm
10:16with some
10:16friends,
10:17I'm the
10:17funny one.
10:18And when
10:19I'm with
10:20other friends,
10:21I'm the
10:22depressing
10:22one.
10:23And when
10:24I'm with
10:24some friends,
10:25I'm the
10:26old and
10:26wise person.
10:28I'm not
10:29used to
10:29that.
10:30and with
10:31others,
10:32I still
10:32feel like
10:33I'm the
10:33youngster.
10:34So who
10:34am I?
10:36Right?
10:37And what
10:38I just
10:38did there
10:39is I
10:41pushed
10:42back
10:43on several
10:45hundred
10:45years
10:46of
10:47noticing
10:48the
10:49me
10:50as an
10:51independent,
10:52isolated
10:54individual.
10:55Who am
10:56I when
10:57I'm with
10:58you?
10:59I
11:00grew up
11:01in
11:01California
11:02in the
11:0270s and
11:03everybody
11:03was trying
11:04to self
11:05improve and
11:06being a
11:07child in
11:08that
11:08environment,
11:09I learned
11:09pretty quickly
11:10that that
11:11doesn't go
11:12well.
11:15Because it's
11:17inherently not
11:18an ecological
11:18question.
11:20Right?
11:21So the
11:22difference
11:23between how
11:24nature works
11:25and how
11:26people have
11:27actually been
11:29trained to
11:30think.
11:31So this
11:32is the
11:32kind of
11:33thinking
11:33that's lurking
11:34as we
11:36face
11:36collapse.
11:38Let's
11:39don't do
11:40this.
11:41Right?
11:41Let's meet
11:42each other.
11:43Let's find
11:44each other.
11:48So this
11:50is a
11:51painting
11:51called
11:52The
11:53Mystical
11:53Head
11:54by
11:54Jelensky.
11:56It's in
11:56the Norton
11:57Smith Museum
11:58in California.
12:00And as
12:02you look at
12:03this picture
12:04as a
12:04living
12:05organism,
12:06what you're
12:08doing
12:09is something
12:10fantastic.
12:11you are
12:14taking
12:15this
12:15black
12:16band
12:17and
12:18in
12:19relationship
12:19to this
12:20arc
12:21and that
12:22red
12:22and this
12:23blue,
12:24you are
12:25beginning
12:26to combine
12:27those shapes
12:28to form
12:29a face.
12:31Probably.
12:32I'm not sure
12:33what you
12:33are forming.
12:35I'm forming
12:35a face.
12:38and this
12:40combining
12:42is a
12:43living
12:44process.
12:46The way
12:46you do
12:47it today
12:48and the
12:48way you
12:49do it
12:49tomorrow,
12:50the way
12:50you do
12:51it and
12:51you do
12:51it and
12:52you do
12:52it are
12:53not the
12:53same.
12:55So
12:57in
12:58informational
12:59terms,
13:00there's
13:01nothing
13:01here.
13:03There's
13:04nothing in
13:04that black
13:05stroke.
13:05there's
13:06nothing
13:06in this
13:07pink
13:07blotch.
13:08But
13:09placed
13:10next to
13:10the blue
13:11and the
13:11red
13:11and the
13:12black
13:12and the
13:13what I
13:14see as
13:14a mouth,
13:15it
13:16becomes
13:16a
13:16cheekbone.
13:18That's
13:19you.
13:20That's
13:21you
13:21being
13:22alive
13:23and
13:23perceiving
13:24in
13:25you.
13:35and
14:04that
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