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The Washington Commanders have battled through some unfortunate luck since the start of training camp and preseason. No one is really sure how the entire team will gel together when they clash with Philly in week one. Which position group concerns you the most with the Commanders?
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00:00You're going to hit the wall soon.
00:01You need one, bro.
00:02No, I'm going to get the dual sleep energy.
00:03I will not hit the wall.
00:04He's going to be great.
00:05I'm going to be great.
00:05I'm preparing you great.
00:06All right, hook it up.
00:07Look at that.
00:08He caught it.
00:08Shake it up.
00:10Shopping beers.
00:11Shopping beer.
00:13All right, guys.
00:14Get the plastic off.
00:14All right, what's your Ricky on HTS?
00:17Well, hopefully Valdez is pulling up some of the audio.
00:20We can play it in a second.
00:22But really a big story always with the commanders,
00:26at least at this point, is injury status.
00:29And, you know, you've got your certain guys that we already know.
00:33They're going to be out.
00:35We don't need to keep talking about Tunsil, et cetera.
00:38But the key guys, you know, that we're interested in,
00:41DQ had some updates, including updates on Chason and Odafe Owe.
00:48So, excuse me, Kalevon went out there today?
00:50He was, yep.
00:51And then with he and Bill being back, is there, first of all,
00:53what's the update on Kalevon?
00:55How much was he able to do?
00:56And then this is kind of a weird abbreviated week.
00:59Is there enough time to get those guys ready
01:01in the kind of game shape they need?
01:03Yes.
01:05You're right on both fronts.
01:07Yes, they can get ready.
01:10And you do a lot of conditioning, you know,
01:12as part of the return to play.
01:13Is it the same as football play?
01:14No.
01:15So that's why even in limited work,
01:16sometimes a guy may take limited reps and individual
01:19and work part of that practice hard.
01:20And that was like the case with KC and with Bill.
01:23I like where they're at of heading into next week.
01:26And so, same with Owe.
01:28He made good progress.
01:29He'll be back into the fold with us next week,
01:31reps and practice and that.
01:32And he hit all the markers, you know, we wanted to hit.
01:34So I'm excited for the group to get together.
01:36It's challenging, John, for sure,
01:38because there's timing that goes with it.
01:40There's movements.
01:41But it's nice to see that.
01:43With Owe, so he'll be back full in practice?
01:46Yep.
01:46And so you feel good about him for the opener?
01:48I'll take it when I get through.
01:49I'd rather comment on that after he, you know,
01:51goes through some of the practices.
01:54All right.
01:54So, anyway, you know, unless there's like a Trey Amos situation,
01:57you know, where he goes out
01:58and then they have to pull him two hours later,
02:01that is a dramatic turnaround from kind of how we felt,
02:05I know, just yesterday.
02:06Yeah.
02:07We were talking about it yesterday,
02:08and you said, I don't think he's going to play.
02:10Right.
02:11And I said, I wouldn't be surprised,
02:13but hopefully he can get out there.
02:14Because he had alluded that Chase Dunn was close,
02:17and then, you know, he did return to practice,
02:20full participant already yesterday.
02:22So that seemed like, okay, that's enough time.
02:24It'll be good, provided there's no setbacks.
02:27That's always the caveat.
02:28But then to hear such a positive update on Owe,
02:31and, you know, I was just thinking
02:33they're just going to err on the side of caution,
02:34and I'm sure they still are,
02:36but maybe he has progressed to the point
02:38where it's okay.
02:39They say hit all the markers.
02:40Yep.
02:40He's going to return to practice next week,
02:42and I think you could read between the lines,
02:44assuming there's no setbacks,
02:47he'll be a go.
02:48Now, will he be a full go?
02:49Will he be a limited participant?
02:51That's possible.
02:52That would make some sense.
02:53Maybe he only gets 25 snaps or something,
02:57you know, because he hasn't had, you know,
02:59six weeks of continuous progress towards playing.
03:02But I was thinking there was a distinct possibility yesterday
03:07that we'd be out our top three pass rushers.
03:10And if Owe can return and Chason can return,
03:14we might only be out Armstrong.
03:16That's right.
03:17That's a big difference.
03:18Serving a one-game suspension.
03:19That's a big difference.
03:20Even if they're on limited snap counts.
03:23So, I thought that was just absolutely great.
03:27It's encouraging news for the defense.
03:29It gives us a fighting chance.
03:30They need every guy they can get.
03:32Every guy they can get.
03:33Of course, Bill's back at practice,
03:36been back at practice the last couple days.
03:38He's someone that I know that we talked about it
03:42right at the start of camp.
03:43And, you know, I was starting to make the argument
03:45that, man, they might be targeting K-Charm,
03:47some of these other guys.
03:47But Bill had a great camp, I think, by most accounts.
03:50Before he got hurt, people were talking about
03:52how great he looked catching the ball on the backfield.
03:55How he put on a little bit of weight.
03:57How he just looked noticeably quicker than everybody else.
03:59We haven't seen a lot of Rashad White.
04:03But what little we did see,
04:04people were getting super excited about.
04:06So, if we could get those guys,
04:11we might be all right.
04:12We might not be as hamstrung as I was thinking
04:15that we potentially could be for this opening game.
04:17Nice use of hamstrung, I like it.
04:20At least give us a fighting chance.
04:22Right?
04:23We got Bates back.
04:25There was an interesting comment.
04:27It just came to my mind, though,
04:29where I thought Ben Sinnott took a shot
04:31at Kingsbury inadvertently.
04:33I don't have it in front of me,
04:34but I remember reading this yesterday.
04:36Did you see it?
04:37It was in Ben Standig's sub stack.
04:40Yeah, and he kind of talked about
04:41how they have a real offense now.
04:43Whoa.
04:44Wow.
04:45That's a shot.
04:45He's joining.
04:46That's a shot.
04:47That's a shoting happening
04:48because Kingsbury's not here to defend himself.
04:51Look, a lot of fans didn't like it
04:53when you called Cliff's offense gimmicky,
04:55but there were gimmicky elements to it.
04:58Yeah, for sure.
04:59I mean, certainly when you're a guy that runs like,
05:02you're the only guy in the league
05:03that runs it that way.
05:05And Cliff has had success.
05:07I'm not saying Cliff has.
05:08I mean, Cliff's made a boatload of money
05:10with his offense.
05:11Yeah.
05:11But it was time for a change.
05:13But I hadn't heard anybody publicly on the record say,
05:16like, I know Terry is welcoming,
05:19being moved around, having digs,
05:22you know, all the complimentary different routes
05:23now that he'll be able to run
05:24and the pre-snap motion and stuff, et cetera.
05:28I hadn't heard anybody really go on the record, though,
05:30and say, we're running a real offense now.
05:32I don't know if he has the on-field equity
05:33to Joe and I on the old offense.
05:36Well, maybe.
05:36I don't sound like Zach Ertz.
05:37If he wants Joe and I be still on the team,
05:39you have the right,
05:40because you're a contributor
05:41and you're out there a lot
05:42and you're productive.
05:43That's probably why he thinks he wasn't playing.
05:45Yeah, he was being held back.
05:48This offense sucked.
05:49I don't recognize stuff.
05:51You can recognize things that are gimmicky.
05:53We recognize it.
05:54We're not on the field.
05:56Listen.
05:56You know what?
05:57I'm not even saying I disagree with him.
05:58They weren't killing him in year one.
06:00If Ben's in it and it's quiet again,
06:02this year,
06:03and he has eight catches or ten catches,
06:05I don't want to hear about,
06:06well, the offense doesn't work for me.
06:09This offense doesn't work for me either.
06:11Maybe you need to look in the mirror at some point.
06:13By the way, updated number,
06:15still five and a half on FanDuel.
06:16I've seen four and a half on some other sites,
06:18but on FanDuel,
06:18it's five and a half totals,
06:1945 and a half.
06:20Sounded like Cakes was doing the June Re commercial.
06:24Defensive?
06:25No.
06:25Just the whiny tone.
06:27The whiny tone.
06:28Nobody bothers me either.
06:29Gotcha.
06:30Right?
06:30Yeah.
06:30Anyway, I just thought that was interesting
06:32that Senate said that
06:34and kind of took a shot at Cliff
06:38without saying his name.
06:39So we'll see.
06:40We'll see how it plays out.
06:41I think most fans are excited, though,
06:43to see what David Biles got cooking,
06:46right,
06:46and most assuming.
06:47I hope I like the dish he's cooking.
06:49I hope I like it too, buddy.
06:50I hope it's something I like to eat
06:52come Sunday, September 30th.
06:53But that's definitely encouraging news
06:54on the injury front.
06:55I think it's so encouraging.
06:56And I think that they've known that all along,
06:58which goes to what Adam Peters said
07:00earlier in the week,
07:00and you can ask him tonight
07:01at the Arlington Drafthouse
07:02about the confidence.
07:04Yeah.
07:04They have a confidence.
07:05They didn't show anything in the preseason,
07:07didn't show anything in training camp.
07:08A lot of players were hurt,
07:10but once they get to the regular season
07:12and most of the players are on the field,
07:14they feel pretty good about the team.
07:15Right.
07:17Including, you know,
07:19the offensive line.
07:20And one of our guys,
07:22that's a big-time listener to the show,
07:24he sent me Mike Clay's
07:26projected NFL offensive line rankings.
07:29I saw the rankings.
07:31Not optimistic.
07:32And listen,
07:34if these five guys start,
07:36it's not ideal
07:36because you'd like to be led
07:37by Laramie Tunsil.
07:39I personally think
07:40they're going to be better than,
07:42he has them ranked right now
07:4531st, okay,
07:46before they played a game.
07:47And here's what the rankings
07:49are based on.
07:51Hey, they're not dead last.
07:53Yeah.
07:54Player rating is determined by
07:56a variety of stats,
07:58including position-adjusted pass
08:00and run block win rates,
08:03PFF grade,
08:04utilization and draft capital.
08:06So it's a whole spectrum of things
08:09of how they came up with this rating.
08:11So there is some subjectivity to this,
08:14even though there is
08:15some objective numbers, right?
08:18They've got Brandon Coleman
08:19at a 4.8,
08:20which is kind of like
08:21middle of the pack,
08:22it seems like.
08:23Chris Paul,
08:23low,
08:24he's got like a red shade to it,
08:26right,
08:26which means like,
08:27beware.
08:28A 3.8.
08:29They got Allegretti
08:30at a 4.3.
08:31Cosme's our highest-rated
08:32offensive lineman,
08:34which makes sense,
08:34at a 6.8.
08:35Seems like a very,
08:37very high grade.
08:38And then Josh Connelly Jr.,
08:40middle of the pack,
08:415.3.
08:42Overall,
08:42when you compare those grades,
08:44I guess when you add them up,
08:46average them out,
08:47et cetera,
08:47it's got them at the 31st
08:49ranked offensive line.
08:50Now, personally,
08:51I think they're better than that.
08:52I think that line
08:53could be middle of the pack.
08:54Did you notice the difference
08:55between Allegretti's grade
08:56and Tyler Biotish's grade?
08:59No.
09:00I think Biotish has like...
09:01Was he in a 7?
09:02I think he's like 7 point something.
09:04Oh, wow.
09:04And Allegretti's basically
09:05has half the grade.
09:07Well, they obviously disagreed.
09:08Yeah, he's out.
09:09He's done.
09:10And he's out for the years.
09:11Can't really talk about him anymore.
09:12I have a little bit
09:14of Biotish regret.
09:15Yeah.
09:15But that's just me.
09:17Yeah.
09:17I don't make decisions.
09:17What about total starts
09:19amongst the starting five?
09:20I wonder where that ranks.
09:21Well, you don't have to have any.
09:22Because obviously Connelly
09:23and Coleman are very low.
09:25I mean, Allegretti at center
09:26is very low.
09:27Yeah.
09:28And Cosme and Cosme's up there.
09:31It's an unproven line.
09:33It's sort of proven otherwise.
09:34They're going to have to get out there
09:35and show that they can be capable.
09:37I personally actually think
09:38I have a decent amount
09:40of faith in them.
09:41Look, all I got to do
09:42is give them like 2.2 seconds
09:44or something.
09:45Can you do that?
09:45Can you hold off
09:46these big monsters
09:47for 2.2 seconds?
09:48along with improving
09:49his pass catching,
09:51has improved his pass protection
09:52during the offseason.
09:53Because something tells me
09:54that both Guy
09:55and Rashad White
09:56and Fat Man
09:57are going to be helping block
09:59for Jade.
10:00Well, they need to.
10:00when that offensive line
10:03starts letting people through.
10:04They're going to have to do that.
10:05I don't think it's an if.
10:06It's a when.
10:06We can't wait
10:07until the first game.
10:08Cake's not going to be
10:08an honor brewing, by the way.
10:10We are, yes.
10:10For the opener.
10:12Come join us.
10:12Yes, we'd love to see you.
10:13The place is going to be jamming.
10:14It's going to be back.
10:15But I do think that
10:17if, I mean,
10:19the fan base,
10:20we've been talking about this
10:21all week.
10:22The fan base is panicked
10:23about the offensive line.
10:25They're not panicked.
10:26And you can believe it, too,
10:30by their actions.
10:30They haven't really
10:31gone out there
10:32and brought in
10:32like a veteran
10:33just to kind of
10:34shut everybody up.
10:35They haven't really done that.
10:38Certainly haven't brought in
10:39anybody to start.
10:40They're going with these guys.
10:43If they do end up
10:44floundering, though,
10:45if it is, in fact,
10:47the 31st worst offensive line
10:49and they're getting overrun
10:50like they did
10:51in the second and third
10:52preseason,
10:53if it's like that.
10:54Well, DQ and Peter
10:55are going to get killed.
10:55They're going to get destroyed.
10:57And they have to know that.
10:58So I actually have
11:00some quiet confidence.
11:01I honestly do.
11:03They're going to be
11:05they'll be okay.
11:06That could be great.
11:07No one's saying that.
11:08But I think they'll be
11:09better than what
11:10the public thinks
11:11because they know
11:12the scrutiny
11:12that are under, right?
11:14And they're going
11:15with these guys.
11:16There's been
11:17almost zero panic moves.
11:20And it kind of depends
11:20on who you're playing
11:21that week
11:22because certain defensive lines
11:23are stronger than others.
11:24Philly's going to be
11:25as big a challenge
11:26right up there.
11:27Philly and Dallas
11:27will be really tough.
11:28You know, you played
11:28yeah, the Rams.
11:30Seattle will be good.
11:30I mean, Seattle's defense
11:31is really good.
11:32I mean, they got a bunch.
11:33Yeah.
11:33But this will be
11:34a great test.
11:35But they're going to have
11:36some games where they
11:36go out there and score
11:37low 30s, mid 30s
11:39because there's no pass rush.
11:41And the offensive line
11:42looks really good.
11:43That would be great.
11:44How many times
11:45I just don't know
11:45if that's going to happen
11:46next Sunday.
11:47Yeah.
11:48How many times
11:49did we score 30 last year?
11:51Last season?
11:52Yeah.
11:53Oh, I'd have to pull up
11:53the schedule.
11:54It certainly didn't feel like
11:56we did anywhere near.
11:57I know opposing teams
11:58scored 30
11:59with some pretty alarming
12:01regularity
12:02against this team.
12:03Right.
12:04But, I mean,
12:04I can't even talk about that
12:06because you didn't have
12:06your starting quarterback
12:07for more than five games.
12:09Absolutely.
12:10But, if they do get
12:12if it looks like
12:13it looked
12:14when it was
12:16inoperable
12:17in the joint practice
12:18against the Ravens
12:19if it looks like that
12:20God forbid
12:21Yeah.
12:22Can you imagine
12:23doing the show
12:23on that Monday morning?
12:26If they can't
12:26if they're
12:27if they're
12:27if they're
12:28they're shooting snaps
12:29over
12:31Jaden's head
12:32Oh yeah.
12:33If
12:33they're jumping off sides
12:35if
12:36they can't sustain
12:37their blocks
12:38if they can't open up
12:39any hole
12:39if it's a complete
12:41disaster
12:41which
12:42you have to say
12:44is possible
12:45Yeah.
12:45because it was
12:46just a week ago
12:47Yep.
12:48I can't even imagine
12:50coming in here.
12:50I can imagine that
12:51we've done it a million times
12:52on this show
12:53the majority of our career
12:54has been after that
12:56Yeah, but this has been
12:57this is like
12:58year three
12:59this is where
13:00we're supposed to
13:01make the jump
13:01they haven't made
13:02any panic moves
13:04they've
13:04they publicly
13:05I give them credit
13:06they've been very
13:07sort of steadfast
13:09and stoic about it
13:10We've been down this road
13:11a million times
13:12They have a quiet
13:12confidence about it
13:13so I'm
13:14I'm actually
13:15maybe I'm the dumb one
13:16I'm actually betting
13:17on their quiet confidence
13:19And also
13:20Am I dumb?
13:21I'm a dumb person
13:21Also, you know how we say
13:22the preseason doesn't mean anything
13:24The opening to the season
13:26it can catch up to you
13:27If you start off 0-3
13:28you're pretty much cooked
13:29right?
13:29But they start off
13:302-1 last year
13:31and think about how
13:32the season went
13:33Start off 3-2
13:33We do that all the time
13:34You know how many times
13:35we've started out reasonably okay
13:37and then by week 7 or 8
13:38it's already
13:39we're playing Titanic
13:40Like it falls off quick
13:41This team
13:43smashes in the wall
13:44and season collapses quick
13:46Quicker than most
13:47Last year
13:48they scored
13:4930 one time
13:50That's the Raiders
13:52That's right
13:52and they gave up 36 times
13:54But this defense
13:56is totally different
13:56You know how you
13:58are talking about
13:59how the first
14:00three games of the season
14:01are just
14:02I think they're pretty brutal
14:02Well you
14:03Statistically
14:04throughout the history
14:05of the NFL
14:06teams who start 0-3
14:08are like at a
14:091.6% chance
14:11100%
14:12to make the playoff
14:13Oh yeah
14:13I've been saying that
14:13all offseason
14:14We could in theory
14:15be eliminated by
14:17week 4
14:18Now the Texans did it
14:20last year or two years ago
14:21where they started out
14:22I mean it's kind of
14:22a silly stat
14:23because you can gather
14:24yourself
14:25if you get hot
14:26and lucky
14:26but I mean usually
14:27if you start out 0-3
14:28you're a pretty bad
14:28football team
14:29That's usually the way
14:30it works
14:30The math is behind
14:32backs it up
14:33If you start 0-3
14:34you're
14:34pretty bad
14:35behind the 8 ball
14:36Now they do have
14:373 I think it's the
14:391-2 is probably
14:4015%
14:41I think it's technically
14:42like the 4th toughest
14:43when you look at it
14:44based on last year
14:45all based on last year
14:46we don't know how
14:46this year will be
14:47So it's not the toughest
14:48but it is an incredibly
14:50difficult first 3 game
14:52stretch
14:52Yes
14:52So if you start 0-3
14:55you can almost
14:55understand it
14:56because you're playing
14:57very very good teams
14:58you just can't afford
14:59to do it
14:59You just can't afford
15:01to do it
15:01There's no shame
15:02in losing at Philly
15:03There's no shame
15:05in losing at Dallas
15:06You're supposed to
15:07lose at Philly
15:08Yeah you're supposed
15:09to lose all 3 of them
15:10And there's no shame
15:11in losing the defending
15:11Super Bowl champs
15:12Now maybe there's a
15:13drop off
15:14and there's a hangover
15:14and they lost guys
15:15But it depends on
15:17how you lose
15:18Right?
15:19It depends on how
15:20you lose
15:21If they lose 28-27
15:23in Philly
15:24and Philly kicks
15:25the last second field goal
15:26Then you can tolerate it
15:27Yeah
15:27But if they lose 31-17
15:29you're going to hate it
15:30Or if they lose
15:31and it's inoperable
15:32and they're shipping
15:32snaps over his head
15:34and they're jumping
15:34off sides
15:35and there's a bunch
15:36of sacks
15:36and there's zero
15:37running holes
15:37and you know
15:38Terry's got two targets
15:41That's going to be
15:41a freaking nightmare
15:43I was talking to a source
15:44I'm betting on that
15:45not happening
15:45I was talking to a source
15:47yesterday
15:47who had a quiet
15:48confidence too
15:49Yeah
15:49I'm betting
15:50I have a quiet
15:51A bet what?
15:52Quiet confidence
15:52will be competent
15:53In the Eagles game
15:55In the Philly game
15:55People are counting
15:56him out in the Eagles game
15:56and have confidence
15:57about the Eagles game
16:00And one thing I pointed out
16:01in just a text
16:02I was like
16:03Yeah
16:03The talk is like
16:04Nick Allegretti's
16:05the MVP of the team
16:06Like there's been
16:07so much talk about
16:08Nick Allegretti
16:08Nick Allegretti
16:09Nick Allegretti
16:10I've never talked
16:11In other words
16:11What is your angle on that?
16:12In other words
16:12They have
16:13Jaden is the most
16:14important guy
16:15Yeah
16:15People are forgetting it
16:16that Jaden
16:17without Laramie Tunsell
16:20two years ago
16:21led him to an
16:21NFC Championship game
16:23The only counter
16:23and I agree with you
16:24The only counter
16:24to that is
16:25if you can't
16:26execute the snap
16:27and you can't
16:28give him two seconds
16:29then he can't
16:30be Jaden
16:30Okay
16:31That's the only
16:32caveat to it
16:33And Nick Allegretti
16:34was part of
16:34a Super Bowl team
16:35I agree with you
16:36That's why
16:37I've said all along
16:38I think he's
16:39going to be competent
16:39Now I don't know
16:40about Goldman
16:41I think I know
16:42about Julian Good-Jones
16:44I think I know
16:45about him
16:45We definitely
16:45know about him
16:46He's not even
16:47on the active roster
16:48No but I'm saying
16:49They kept him
16:49They brought his ass back
16:50It's fine
16:51It's alright
16:51But I'm saying
16:52I think he sucks
16:54But I think Allegretti
16:55is going to be fine
16:56I think Allegretti
16:57is going to be fine
16:57I think Coleman
16:58is going to be fine
16:58actually
16:59It's a lot of
17:00sky is falling talk
17:01If the Eagles
17:02pound him 45-0
17:04Okay
17:04Then it might say something
17:06I mean if that happens
17:06That's impossible
17:07I might be talking myself
17:09into picking a dub
17:10Keep a little perspective
17:11This team
17:12Be careful
17:13That won five games
17:14last year
17:15You might not be the only one
17:15You might be
17:16You might be aligning forces
17:17Hey Valdez
17:18Do I do this every year?
17:19I've been
17:20taking a dump
17:21on this
17:22like sort of
17:23the schedule
17:24and how difficult it is
17:25how daunting
17:26the first three weeks
17:26I'm talking myself
17:27into a
17:28shock the world scenario
17:30It's an us against
17:31the world mentality
17:31You know what
17:32this is what happens
17:32You go as the wind blows
17:35I don't know
17:36if the
17:36maybe
17:36but I'm
17:37I honestly believe
17:39the offensive line
17:40is going to be competent
17:41Not great
17:43Not horrific
17:44But not 31 out of 32
17:45And if you're competent
17:46then my superstar
17:47my future Hall of Famer
17:49is going to do his thing
17:49I hope you're right
17:51Alright when we come back
17:52has the commander's slander
17:53gone too far
17:55We will dive into that
17:55That's what we're talking about
17:56We'll dive into that next
17:57here on The Fan
17:58We'll dive into that