Nancy Grace MELTS DOWN After Brandon Tatum Exposes the Truth

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00:00so nancy grace had uh officer tatum on her show and i meant to talk about this the other day

00:07when

00:07this video first dropped uh my apologies i'm a little late on this when i it got lost in the

00:13shuffle somehow but yeah they're they're speaking about the nolan well situation the black kid who

00:21allegedly drowned uh while he was with you know a bunch of white kids and you know they were out

00:28on some island and or sandbar whatever you want to call it and you know you you have the pro

00:35blacks

00:35who are accusing or insinuating that it had something to do with the white folks and all

00:42the whole nonsense yeah that that whole topic of discussion but i want to get into it a little bit

00:47because she says some very very interesting things and i just want to talk about it so with that being

00:54said let's hop into it all right so how can you say that he's i'm quoting how can you say

01:00there's

01:01no text message or photo as a text message or photos missing our boys had no reason to do anything

01:08with

01:08nolan's phone other than give it back so seeing anything about missing text or snapshots chats

01:14completely false well according to the mom officer tatum she says that there was nothing sent out

01:24while he nolan was at horn island which she found very odd i have no reason to disbelieve her

01:31so how can you say there were missing or there weren't missing i don't think you can say it either

01:37way why don't they just get a search warrant and go get the phone you know what forget all that

01:44officer tatum where is nolan's phone do authorities have it well from my understanding authorities do not

01:53have in the family have not been cooperating with authorities to give the phone over

01:56according to the testimony or written statement from the lawyer that represents the family the nolan

02:02wells family i mean he had made mention that he's prepared to cooperate but they have not cooperated

02:07yet which is very interesting to me uh you want to find out what happened to your son you would

02:12think

02:12you will be doing everything you can to cooperate i can't judge her i don't know what's in their mind

02:17but it just seems to be very um off-putting for them not to at least give the phone over

02:21and do what

02:22exactly they told the world they were going to do and that is to allow a forensic extraction of his

02:27phone therefore the world can see if there is things that have been deleted i think tyler

02:32cox is is very clear about what he's saying that the boys had nothing to do with it so if

02:37there's

02:37anything missing from the phone it had nothing to do with them now i i add this when you look

02:42at

02:42what uh christine said brandon brandon woke bit i'm gonna go right back to what you're saying but

02:51you're saying a lot and i want to address each thing so we don't leave anything out

02:56number one you just stated that basically correct me you can paraphrase this any way you want to it

03:02looks really bad for nolan's family not to hand over the phone do you have any independent knowledge

03:07they have not handed over the phone according to their lawyer that wrote a statement and it

03:13the statement was we're prepared to cooperate but that was as of the 11th therefore they have not

03:18cooperated tyler cox has made mention that he don't believe they cooperated whatsoever

03:23he don't believe they cooperated whatsoever as well so extrapolating you're taking the words tatum

03:31that their words that they're prepared to cooperate to mean they haven't handed over the phone

03:37isn't that true i'm putting everything together right we have tyler cox that's coming out and saying

03:42that he has no indication whatsoever they've cooperated the family has not come out and said that

03:47there's any findings and then also the attorney that represents the family is saying that we

03:51haven't sent the or gave the phone over but we're willing to and that was as of the 11th so

03:57it appears

03:57that there's no indication on brandon you may very well be a lot smarter than me but i can hear

04:04okay

04:06the statement was we're prepared to cooperate i guess from crump

04:12that i'm not sure if it was we have not handed over the phone but we will

04:17well nancy when you put it all you have to put the totality of circumstance together i'm not

04:21there to to be in the room with the investigators to determine but i'm just going off of what

04:26knowledge we have and that's been given to us that's available and what tyler cox is saying and

04:31i'm taking him at his word he's saying that they there's no indication that they've cooperated the

04:35lawyers that represent the family is saying we're prepared but they did not say that they've

04:39cooperated whatsoever so i'm looking at the statements that are produced and all of the statements

04:43indicate that there has not been a cooperation with the phone being extracted from uh investigators

04:48therefore there is no true determination that things were missing from the phone

04:53well i mean we have no other we have no other

04:58we have nothing else to go off of here to cooperate for all i know that means

05:03we'll come in for questioning we'll let you search his belongings well it can mean anything

05:08that does not equal we have not handed over the phone but hey you know what

05:12nancy this has been weeks they you say tomato i say tomato because

05:17it kind of doesn't matter and i'll tell you why it doesn't matter actually i'll let an expert tell

05:22us why it doesn't matter to heather barnhart joining us digital forensics expert with celebrite

05:29we learned she's about to get absolutely schooled right here this is hilarious check it out

05:34all about celebrite during prepared but they did not say that they cooperated whatsoever so i'm

05:40looking at the statements that are produced and all of the statements indicate that there has not been

05:44a cooperation with the phone being extracted from uh investigators therefore there is no true

05:49determination that things were missing from the phone well i mean we have no other we have no other

05:58oh we have nothing what in the world what just happened oh here we go here we go sorry about

06:03that

06:03it skipped back for some odd reason and i'll tell you why it doesn't matter actually i'll let an expert

06:09tell us why it doesn't matter to heather barnhart joining us digital forensics expert with celebrite

06:15we learned all about celebrite during the alex murdoch trial that's how we got everything off of his

06:21dead murdered son's phone and the sands institute s-a-n-s she is one of the preeminent digital forensic

06:32experts in the country she helped crack the brian koburger case and she is co-author of practical

06:40mobile forensics now in its fourth edition that means that many people have have used it heather

06:49thank you for being with us if the phone i don't care where it is okay actually i do care

06:54where it

06:55is i want to know that it's been handed over i don't have to have the phone to know what's

07:01on the

07:02phone if it's in the cloud it looks like an iphone to me so my argument with officer tatum is

07:10academic it doesn't matter if i can get it from the cloud so no one's phone missing so what i

07:18can

07:18download it i can get it data will exist in the cloud if he's syncing to icloud and third-party

07:24applications however having physical access to the phone is where the databases exist that will have

07:31the truth on deletion so you really need to get a full file system extraction of his phone as quickly

07:36as possible so if it's not handed over to authorities now it needs to be because this was over a

07:42month

07:42ago now do you have to have the phone to do the extraction what about the cloud cloud data is

07:49different and there's a lot of information there there could be unique information in the cloud

07:53that's been removed from the phone if anything was removed but it's best to have both cloud and the

07:59phone to paint the entire pattern of behavior and to see the truth and bing bing bing bing bing bing

08:07bing bing you need the phone okay nancy grace just seems to not not really understand that and it's only

08:15in the cloud if you want it to be in the cloud if you've uploaded it to the cloud otherwise

08:19it's still

08:20in the phone right so you most certainly do need the phone if you want the entire picture

08:30i mean i i thought this was common sense but apparently not carry on the barnhart please don't

08:39move back to officer tatum joining us tatum obviously we want the phone i think you can download it from

08:49the cloud but she's the expert she's saying it would help to have the phone so don't you understand

08:55why and i'm not saying this is true i don't know that it's true i don't know that that sito

09:04call is

09:05real or fake i don't know it's murky you know um tatum when i would try cases especially complicated

09:14cases i would start out the trial with a big jar a big jar full of water and silt and

09:25i had it sitting

09:26big on my counsel table day one right beside my bible and in closing arguments the first thing i would

09:37do

09:37when i started closing arguments i'd take that jar and shake it and it would get very murky you couldn't

09:43see anything and i'd sit it down on my counsel table an argument would commence and by the time

09:51i had gone through all the evidence i'd go over to my table pick it up and say see it's

09:58not muddy

09:59anymore it's crystal clear what happened my point is we don't know so all the haters attacking you

10:09attacking me attacking the cops attacking the friends attacking no one's mother for pete's sake

10:18we don't know it's unjustified now to my question don't you understand why people are suspicious

10:25because no one's separated from his phone which no teen does i get it why he didn't have it in

10:33the water

10:33i get that i dive i swim i just went swimming with the dolphins with my twins and yes my

10:38phone was on

10:38the boat bingo there you go they're out in water why would you have your phone on you when you're

10:45literally standing in water you know like this is silly bro duh he's not gonna have his phone

11:00like most people are going to leave their phone on the boat not all some people will take their phone

11:09out there with them some will but a lot of folks will leave their phone on the boat why because

11:16you're literally standing in water you're not on dry land

11:21i mean maybe if it sticks sticks out high enough right the ground but typically as far as all of

11:34the

11:34the ones that i have seen right these sandbars or whatever they're completely submerged under

11:41underwater it's not much water it's not a whole lot of water but they're still underwater like your

11:46feet are still wet it's not like you're standing on dry land you know i'm sure i'm sure one does

11:54exist

11:54where you know you can stand on dry land in the middle of a lake right but all the ones

12:00that i've ever

12:00seen they're underwater once again not much but still underwater so yeah you're not gonna bring

12:07your phone out there it just doesn't make sense you know and a lot of them some of them that

12:14i won't

12:15say a lot of them some of them that i've seen uh the water is like up to your waist

12:19you know if not

12:22just a touch higher depending on where you're standing so you're really not gonna bring your phone

12:26out there because as soon as you put your hands down your phone straight into the water

12:33so like this is crazy he didn't have his phone no kid is not gonna have their phone

12:38yeah they are when they're standing in water they aren't but then i got it i didn't let the boat

12:45take

12:45off without it so at least you can admit that's why people are curious i'm curious

12:55nancy i think it's because people are out putting out misinformation and they don't have the totality

13:00of circumstances because they haven't heard from the boys didn't watch the interview and all of this

13:04stuff and they feel that it's convoluted it's very straightforward to me and very clear in many areas

13:09that the boys did are saying they did not have access christine nolan's mother is not saying

13:16unequivocally that things were deleted she was surprised that things were not present therefore

13:21she insinuated that things may have been deleted but she did not really say that the phone was deleted

13:26and the fact that they did not communicate with both sides meaning that i wish that the nolan wells

13:32family would have communicated with these boys instead of me would have talked to their lawyers instead of me

13:36then therefore they could have gotten a good perspective the boys made mention in the interview

13:41that i did with them that they told christine nolan's mother that they had his phone and his keys in

13:46their

13:46possession therefore she came to get them they turned them over they have no access to his codes

13:52they have no reason to delete his phone they're claiming there's nothing that was deleted they gave

13:57a fair explanation as to why he left the phone on the boat nolan wasn't the only individual to

14:03leave the phone on the boat he wasn't the only black person to leave the phone on the boat

14:06so that to me dispels the racial component he was with them multiple boats came out

14:12traditionally if you don't leave on a boat you came on you can leave on another boat they're all

14:17going to the same location so it's not that bizarre that he left his phone the phone was returned to

14:22nolan these are best friends of nolan they hang out almost every day actually that was a that was a

14:28great uh shot right there yeah look at this water you're gonna take your phone out there

14:35that water is up to their shoulders

14:41yo no kid is gonna separate from their phone uh a kid that is intelligent will i mean you're up

14:50to

14:50your shoulders in water look at this that is insane and also it paints a completely different

14:58picture uh in terms of drowning uh in terms of drowning look how high that water is on these

15:05folks shoulder height shoulder height shoulder height shoulder height this man down here shoulder

15:12height right so we aren't talking about you know just a foot of water down around your ankles

15:24we talk about a few feet five feet of water okay uh so a lot easier to drown in that

15:33for sure

15:34another boat they're all going to the same location so it's not that bizarre that he left his phone

15:39the phone was returned to nolan these are best friends of nolan they hang out almost every day

15:45he spent the night over there everything you're saying but now we're getting to another topic

15:50i hear you but tatum the boat the boat has the boat been searched by cadaver dogs and sent dogs

16:01the boat from our understanding has not been searched and the the cadaver dogs were made available

16:10for benjamin crump to utilize them to do a search on the boat they refused

16:16crump is not supposed to use the dogs it's well there is no reason to search everything on crump

16:23listen nancy there's no reason if there's not if there's not any evidence of a murder

16:27there's no reason for them to use the cadaver dog that's that's how this works there's no

16:32none of these individuals are they do not have any expectation that there was any murder that

16:38occurred it's just it's just other people are putting that out to the world the police department

16:42is not investigating the murder these boys are not suspects i agree they're not suspects they're not

16:49persons of interest they're not suspects they haven't been charged but they believe after interviewing

16:5560 people the search of the triton he's not it's not he's not ordering it he's not ordering it

17:04cadaver dogs were made available if he wanted to no no they made themselves availed themselves to him

17:10and said would you like us to search the boat you just said that about nolan wells's mom

17:15now you say i almost hate to do this to you almost tatum you just said when crump says we're

17:24available

17:25and ready you went well that's no no no they haven't handed over the boat but now you're saying

17:31the friends say our boat's available and ready and i'm not going to tell you a new one

17:37that's not that's not that law enforcement is the one that needs to go and search the boat

17:44nancy hey rock nancy the people who had what nancy the people who had nancy the people who had

17:50questions about this because it's definitely not law enforcement it was benjamin crumb they wanted to

17:56get to the bottom they don't trust law enforcement there's not a grand jury this isn't going to grand jury

18:00i'm saying initially before grand jury then there are questions initially initially before grand

18:06jury when this first started and benjamin crump brought up all these questions and they made them

18:11availed themselves to him and said would you like for us to search the boat we'll grant the cadaver

18:16dogs for you to go and look at the boat and he refused and this is why i'm saying he

18:21did it does not

18:22give authority to search the boat he can the boys are cooperating i want you to run over bro this

18:30is

18:31why i wanted to talk about this because this is so silly what officer tatum is saying here is that

18:37the boys made the boat available to ben crump they're like yo hey if you want to have a cadaver

18:44dog search this thing please do search it private people regular citizens can hire a cadaver dog you

18:56can do that that is a real thing they made the boat available to him to do that he didn't

19:03do it

19:05she just and she just just doesn't understand it bro it's like it's like hitting your head up

19:12against the wall it's just like come on bro come on and the police are not investigating a murder so

19:19they're not going to move in that fashion right of course if they were investigating the murder

19:25there would have been some other steps taken right like they might have had a cadaver dog themselves come

19:32out but that's not what they're investigating they're not investigating a murder as as officer tatum said

19:39those boys are not suspects

19:44you would think she would understand this stuff but apparently not apparently not

19:51did tatum's house and sniff the hell out of it because i would say come on over i would say

19:57no no

19:58no i said come on over the cadaver dogs are made available but then benjamin crump said well we don't

20:03want it that's the problem here wait a minute they are not pursuing like they claim they are

20:09say here's our boat come come search it did the families offer the boat they offered boat phones

20:19whatever investigators needed whatever the family needed they made it available the family did not

20:25pursue any avenue to connect with the boys on any level the boat to talk about timeline to communicate with

20:32parents to communicate with lawyers they have done nothing and then now we find out that they haven't

20:37even given a phone over to law enforcement so they can do an extraction or forensic investigation stop

20:41so i can see you know what i respect you but i'm gonna have to cut your mic because we

20:46have to be

20:47clear about something hold on hold on philip dubai joining me he is a veteran trial lawyer a defense

20:54lawyer he's joining me out of la he practices criminal and constitutional law dubai i don't want to hear

21:04either prosecution or a defense side a citizen cannot force a search on somebody else's boat

21:17so crump or missus or nolan's mother they can a citizen cannot force nobody's forcing it nancy

21:26they made it available dirt so in in that case ben crump isn't forcing anything they offered the boat to

21:35them nobody's forcing anything i'm yelling like she can hear me

21:47had to catch myself there my goodness you know is i'm acting like you ever uh you know some of

21:54the

21:54folks who watch a movie and they'll like talk to the movie as they're watching you like no don't do

22:01that it's like bro you know they can't hear you right i just had one of those moments i'm over

22:09here

22:09yelling and she can't hear me my apologies my apologies um yeah i'm just frustrated you know

22:19it's just like bro did you not hear tatum the five times he repeated the same thing maybe if i

22:27yell you

22:27can hear me oh man anybody else frustrated watching this let me know please not force a cadaver dog

22:39or a scent dog search on the triton the triton law enforcement needs to bring out a cadaver dog and

22:47a scent dog it's just real simple it's not hard do you agree they are the ones with authority to

22:54do that

22:56of course a lot of these thought leaders and the thought leaders and their crusaders can all request

23:03it and make sure that there's an in-depth thorough investigation but they cannot physically and

23:09personally initiate it or enforce all the procedures that are necessary to get that underway

23:15one thing they can do though is go to the da's office and ask that it be included as part

23:21of the grand

23:22jury investigation because believe me you nancy the grand jury starts investigating and wants all of

23:29these materials including access to the boat access to the cell phone it's going to happen otherwise they

23:36will suffer the pains of uh contempt of the grand jury dubai my point is crump nor nolan's mother nor

23:45anybody

23:45on their team can issue a subpoena or a directive or permit give permission for somebody else's boat to be

23:56searched so when that was put to crump he doesn't have the authority to do that he's a lawyer he

24:02knows

24:02that and it's not he can if they're offering it to him like she's missing that point am i maybe

24:12i'm tripping

24:13am i tripping y'all please let me know in the comments maybe maybe it's me genuinely you know

24:22because i'm having one of those moments where i'm just like am i the stupid one in this situation

24:28maybe i am i'm not above being wrong y'all know this okay i'm not afraid of being wrong i

24:36can admit

24:37when i'm wrong all right so maybe it's me y'all let me know but if they're offering the boat

24:47boat then you're not taking you know you know what i mean like you're you're you're not um

24:55forcing anybody in any way like they're offering the boat to you hey here's the boat do whatever you

25:03need to do and if you can hire cadaver dogs which i double checked you can you can you can

25:11hire you

25:12a cadaver dog services right then why not do that what am i missing am i missing something

25:22or is this genuinely nancy grace please let me know in the comments

25:28don't sugarcoat it for me give it to me straight no chaser all right let me know because i like

25:36i said

25:37maybe it's me the friend's prerogative either it's law enforcement needs to go do it

25:47i can't come search your home that would be trespass correct law enforcement has to do

25:53that's a yes no i don't need a legal discourse yes or no yes

26:03hi guys nancy grace here please oh man

26:12maybe i'm tripping man maybe i'm tripping please let me know in the comments um

26:21because i am confused with that like how she just could not comprehend they're offering the boat

26:32and even even there at the end she said well i can't just come and search your house

26:37well you could if i allowed you in and i told i specifically said hey here's my home come search

26:45it you could do it then you're not forcing your way in you're not doing any i'm i'm literally

26:52telling you come search the premises and it's the same thing with the boat hey here's the boat

27:00do whatever you need to do and of course condolences to you know um nolan wells family

27:07obviously obviously no parent should have to bury a child that has to be absolutely heartbreaking

27:16genuinely you know forget about

27:21he said he said she said or who who who's at fault white forget about that the fact that a

27:29mother had

27:29to bury her son is heartbreaking you know it really is you know it's just not the way things are

27:38supposed

27:38to go right um the kids are supposed to bury the parents at some point um so that that has

27:47to be

27:47absolutely heartbreaking and my sincere condolences right seriously i couldn't imagine

27:54but um as far as this whole situation goes

28:04i think he just drowned personally do i have 100 proof of that no of course not

28:13um but from everything that i've seen i've heard and listened to conversations and

28:20that's what i think happened and from that image that i showed that i paused it on and showed you

28:26guys that made it even worse see i was thinking i was of the mindset that the water was like

28:33you know

28:33maybe a foot and a half two feet that water was like five feet five feet deep so i mean

28:41if it's five

28:41feet deep i don't know how tall he is but either way if it's five feet deep and you step

28:47into a hole

28:48of any sort or a divot or step off the island at any point i mean it's just boom quick

28:55you're under

28:57your head is already there your head's already there you know y'all saw the image the water was like

29:05up

29:05to everybody's shoulders

29:10just the slightest you trip in any way shape or fashion instantly under instantly under

29:20you hit a current you hit a current gone obviously you know people have talked about uh there

29:27possibly being some drinking being involved in that whole situation and this is no

29:32and and i think when when people bring up the drinking i don't i don't it's it's no shot at

29:37nolan

29:38himself we've all drank right especially especially when we were young high school days boy i tell you

29:51i've been to a few parties and there was always liquor involved

29:59always

30:02always every single time y'all y'all know exactly what i'm talking about y'all been to them same

30:05parties when y'all was in high school too always alcohol there every single time and so um it's not

30:15to say that nolan was a bad kid because we are all bad kids we did some stupid stuff that

30:20we probably

30:21should have done you know what i mean but we we we know what it's like to to be at

30:26that age

30:28we've been there before

30:31we did some things that you know you look back on you like

30:36probably shouldn't have done that bad choice bad decision for sure you know

30:44but you start mixing in alcohol with shoulder height water

30:53things could happen things could happen but who knows we we shall see how this all plays out in

31:00the end but i just wanted to play that for you all with nancy grace and officer tatum shout out

31:08to

31:11me maybe it's me but i i felt like she was tweaking i felt like nancy grace was tweaking

31:17but once again maybe it was me so y'all get in the comments let me know your thoughts and

31:22your

31:22opinions as always i greatly appreciate all of the continued love and support stay safe out there

31:28peace and love i'm out

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