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The Scott Adams School hosts Stefan Molyneux as he talks about women, morality, God and governments. He argues that real virtue does not need religious belief, looks at what both sides should bring to dating, and shows how shielding women from consequences weakens responsibility and family.
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0:00:00 Opening and Introductions
0:02:10 Remembering Scott Adams
0:06:05 Nashville Debate Announcement
0:09:30 Debating God and Morality
0:19:22 Faith, Tradition, and Social Change
0:23:26 Simulation Theory and Free Will
0:34:14 Twitter, Women, and Dating
0:46:17 The Lindsay Clancy Case
0:51:45 Consequences and Modern Women
0:59:20 Parenting, Age, and Regret
1:05:34 Closing Remarks and Thanks
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0:00:00 Opening and Introductions
0:02:10 Remembering Scott Adams
0:06:05 Nashville Debate Announcement
0:09:30 Debating God and Morality
0:19:22 Faith, Tradition, and Social Change
0:23:26 Simulation Theory and Free Will
0:34:14 Twitter, Women, and Dating
0:46:17 The Lindsay Clancy Case
0:51:45 Consequences and Modern Women
0:59:20 Parenting, Age, and Regret
1:05:34 Closing Remarks and Thanks
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00:00:00Oh, surprise, we're early. I think this is a first, by the way, in the 160-something shows, but who's
00:00:11counting? So let's get this going. Good morning, everybody. Good morning, locals.
00:00:19And we're just going to give a second for YouTube and Rumble and X and Spotify to kick in. Look
00:00:27who's here, Stefan Molyneux. Could you just be so excited or what? I am. Oh, and Owen. Owen. Owen's here,
00:00:35too.
00:00:35Oh, and Owen. Just a little parenthesis. Parenthetical. Don't worry, Stefan. He gives me heck all the time so I
00:00:45can give him some hell back. Trust me. Trust me.
00:00:50So, Marcella's off today, you guys. I'm hoping she'll be back tomorrow. She's just working some stuff and hoping to
00:00:57finish it up by tomorrow. She'll be back for Funtime Friday or Fri-yay or F-it Friday, whatever you
00:01:04want to call it.
00:01:06But in the meantime, we are so excited, Stefan, to have you here for the hour. You have a lot
00:01:11going on, and we're going to talk about all of it. And there's my girlfriend, Mindy. Hey, Mindy.
00:01:18All right. So, let's do the thing that we can't wait to do before we can do anything else. Was
00:01:24that persuasive? No? Okay, here we go.
00:01:27And everything's starting to go really well for you, anyway. Too bad about other people. But you're doing great.
00:01:34And the only way that you can do better is with a simultaneous sip. And all it takes is a
00:01:39cupper mug or a glass of tank or chalice or stein, a canteen, joker, flask, a vessel of any kind.
00:01:45Fill it with your favorite liquid. I like coffee.
00:01:49And join me now for the unparalleled pleasure, the dopamine hit of the day, the thing that makes everything better,
00:01:56except my air quality.
00:01:58It's called the simultaneous sip, and it happens now. Go.
00:02:05Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good.
00:02:11Yep. That was good. Air quality. The day before was taxes. This day was air quality. So, we know kind
00:02:18of what's been going on in Scott's world at that time. Those fires. So, Stefan, welcome back. How are you?
00:02:24So, I'm well, you know, I got to tell you, every time I see Scott, it's this bittersweet wave of
00:02:28nostalgia, sorrow and sadness, and only the good die young.
00:02:32And it moves me, and I still miss him. And he was a big influence on my life. I was
00:02:40fortunate to have a couple of shows together with him over the years.
00:02:43And it's just, it always, you know, it hits me in the heart and the feels to see him again.
00:02:48They should take that set and put it in, like, the Smithsonian or something like that. It should be, like,
00:02:53it should be preserved, you know?
00:02:54Like, this is where huge amounts of geyser-like wisdoms flowed out of that lovely man. And I hope someone,
00:03:01something's been done to preserve it all.
00:03:03I feel exactly the same way. And, you know, we were fortunate enough, Owen and I, to be there and
00:03:10to see Scott's desk and the whole setup.
00:03:12And I even said to his family, I'm like, can I just, like, purchase all of that and somehow maneuver
00:03:19that huge thing just back here?
00:03:21Like, because, you know, the house is for sale. It's going to be sold. And, you know, I'm like, they're,
00:03:27you know, I hope the person that buys it will at least see some of his YouTube videos and just
00:03:32be like, oh, wow, you know?
00:03:34But it's a bummer. It's a bummer.
00:03:38You know, it really just felt like you were having coffee with a friend in the morning. You know, my
00:03:42studio setup is like the afterlife. I have, like, it's a gray limbo from your grandmother's dreams. And so having
00:03:51that sort of homey setting is really, it was really nice.
00:03:53It was really nice. I know. It was really nice. And it was, I try to explain it to people
00:03:58because, you know, you imagine it in your head. It was a very big room and it had a beautiful
00:04:03vista and a wraparound balcony.
00:04:04And it was on the second floor of his house, which a lot of people didn't know, like the Spanish
00:04:11tile floors. And you'd hear him rolling his chair over the tiles when he'd push back. And from his desk
00:04:18to the shelves behind him was a good distance.
00:04:21So he had a lot of space and room and it was just a perfect spot for him to work
00:04:28his magic. So, yeah, it is a magical set if, you know, I had to put a word to it.
00:04:35And I wish there was a museum right now that it could just be placed into and people could take
00:04:40pictures behind the desk.
00:04:41I mean, that's how I see it, like an Oval Office. Owen, any more on, you know, walking into Scott's
00:04:47office?
00:04:48Yeah, it was kind of surreal, but also just magical. I mean, I think it was great to see it.
00:04:54I was lucky enough to visit with Scott before he had his final days.
00:04:59And he gave me a tour, showed me his balcony. And it was an interesting story that he told me
00:05:06where apparently when he built his house, he didn't realize what an awesome view he had from the second floor.
00:05:15And he told me, he's like, if I had known, like if I had gone up on a ladder and
00:05:18seen how incredible this view from the balcony is, I would have designed my house completely differently with like lots
00:05:24of windows and, you know, views.
00:05:26And like, he just didn't know because there were trees around his property. So he built his house just thinking,
00:05:32okay, I'm just going to see my neighbors in the trees.
00:05:34And then when he went out there, he's like, oh my God, like there's all the mountains in the distance.
00:05:38And it was just beautiful.
00:05:40Um, but, and that's right outside his office. So it was, it was kind of incredible just to see what
00:05:45his daily life was like.
00:05:47Yeah. The best view is definitely from his office. So that worked out well, for sure.
00:05:52That is interesting. You guys, when you buy a house, maybe to have someone take a drone up a little
00:05:56bit for you so you can see what the view is going to be like from the second floor and
00:06:00you might want to design things differently.
00:06:02Um, lesson learned. Okay. So Stefan, so many things. Let's do one thing first.
00:06:09So we make sure people know that you have a debate coming up in Nashville and is it in Nashville?
00:06:16Uh, yes. Nashville.
00:06:17Okay. Why don't you tell everybody what that is? Um, in case, are there tickets still available?
00:06:22Uh, they're almost out. Yeah. Worldwarddebate.com. It's September the 12th in Nashville.
00:06:27I'll be debating Jay Dyer, uh, on the existence of God and virtue and all kinds of great things.
00:06:34And it's sort of like this scene, you know, at the end of the horror movie, maybe that's not the
00:06:39best way to sell it, but,
00:06:39you know, the scene at the end of the horror movie where they buried the, the vampire or something like
00:06:43that.
00:06:44And then, you know, they try to leave and the hand comes up and grabs him at the leg.
00:06:48So I have been, uh, recently shocked back into existence by a variety of folks, because I guess like Scott,
00:06:54I did my time in the wilderness, uh, after the election cycle of 2020,
00:06:58I was cast into the outer rim, into the outer darkness and spent, uh, um, half a decade, you know,
00:07:05uh, I wasn't playing stadiums.
00:07:06I was playing jazz clubs, which is fun and, and fine too. And a local platform of course was very,
00:07:10uh, great for that.
00:07:11And I wrote a couple more books. I wrote my big book on parenting and so on, because no philosophers
00:07:16have ever really dealt with parenting throughout all of human history,
00:07:19which is one of these absolutely tragic, uh, situations in the world. And then I just, something happened in the
00:07:26zeitgeist, something happened,
00:07:27like all the stuff that was controversial that got me quote banned just became kind of common parlance and, uh,
00:07:33people started having me back on the shows.
00:07:35It was a lovely to hear from you guys again. It was a funny coincidence because you just contacted me,
00:07:39I think a day or two ago.
00:07:40And I was just thinking about, did I annoy those guys? Cause I really enjoyed their show. Anyway. So, um,
00:07:45so, you know, cause I, I never know.
00:07:46I never know. My wife has to tell me. So, yeah. So, so coming back from the dead, Sam Hyde
00:07:51had me on for an extremely chaotic,
00:07:54but enjoyable show as you would imagine with Sam Hyde. I've been on a couple of other people's shows back
00:07:58here and I'm coming.
00:08:00I used to do a lot of public speaking and I used to spend like it when my daughter was
00:08:03young, spent like a third of the year sort of traveling around and speaking.
00:08:07And this, but I've never really done public debates as much. I did some stuff at pork fest many years
00:08:12ago.
00:08:12So I'm really pumped and excited to get out into the world. It's going to be like, I'm going to
00:08:17have a meetup there for free domain and philosophy fans.
00:08:19Then we're going to do the debate. There's going to be a VIP evening thing.
00:08:23If people want to book tickets, you should, cause they're almost out and you can use the promo code Stefan
00:08:27S that's with an F.
00:08:29It's not a, it's not a pretentious Steven. It's pretentious Stefan. Uh, so S T E F A N and
00:08:34you can get to 10% off.
00:08:35And honestly, it's like a, it's like a back from the dead tour resurrection tour.
00:08:40And then I'm going to do some more, I think it's going to be a one V 10 in Vegas
00:08:45in November.
00:08:46So 10 people come up and swarm me, uh, you know, which is, which is great.
00:08:50You know, just like at my high school dance, it's pretty much the same thing.
00:08:53Exactly.
00:08:54So, yeah. So I'm, I'm thrilled and pleased to be back out there in the flesh on the planet in,
00:08:59in person.
00:09:00Cause I've been a studio band forever and it's really nice to be back out there.
00:09:03And I of course appreciate everyone who's extended the invitations, of course, yourselves included.
00:09:07Well, everyone will be better off for seeing you and, uh, whether on platforms or in debates or on your
00:09:14podcast.
00:09:14And it's word war debate.com.
00:09:18Yes.
00:09:19Okay. Guys, word war debate.com and use the code Stefan S T E F as in Brink A N.
00:09:28Okay. Awesome. That's going to be great.
00:09:30Are you, are you arguing for or against God?
00:09:33Against, uh, I'm arguing for ethics that you can't escape because one of the problems we see in the modern
00:09:40world is that if you get your ethics from religion,
00:09:43which, you know, I, I agree with most of what Christians say, I was raised a Christian.
00:09:46So, you know, I'm, I'm, thou shalt not murder.
00:09:49Thou shalt not steal a okay from a philosophical standpoint.
00:09:52It's hard to argue against, but the problem is of course, is that you can simply stop believing in God
00:09:57as most people or a significant portion of the population has done over the last sort of 50 years.
00:10:03And then your ethics turn into this weird, emotional, subjective relativism stuff that doesn't defend you against any, uh, creeping
00:10:11immorality.
00:10:12So, uh, it's not so much like, Ooh, I want to, you know, snap God out of existence is that,
00:10:17uh, God as a basis for morality doesn't really survive modern travel, modern culture, mixing, uh, modern immigration and so
00:10:26on.
00:10:27And, and just the skepticism that comes particularly out of the French philosophy school, which is sort of an anti
00:10:32-philosophy school.
00:10:33So it's not so much against God as it is for, uh, virtues and ethics that you simply cannot escape
00:10:39by, you know, snapping your fingers and disbelieving in stuff that's not particularly empirical.
00:10:43So that's sort of the rescue mission that I'm on.
00:10:46What do you think about, yeah.
00:10:47What do you think about that, Owen?
00:10:49Well, I don't want to turn this into a debate.
00:10:51I probably would be on the other side of it, but.
00:10:53That's fine.
00:10:57Well, I, I mean, I, I think the way I think about it in terms of belief in God is
00:11:01partly the, where it comes down to, I think for me is that I see God as like an infinite
00:11:07resource, like an infinite set of strength, like the ultimate good.
00:11:11And I, I feel like if you cut that off, that there is something missing people talk about the God
00:11:18shaped hole or whatever, but I think it just, when you say, okay, I'm just going to rely on myself
00:11:22and what I can see and what I can touch and what I can believe.
00:11:25And I think, you're always going to believe, you're always going to be finite.
00:11:27You're always going to be limited in that.
00:11:28And the, and I think, especially when people hit hard times, if they don't have that faith, I think it's
00:11:35just a lot harder to get through.
00:11:37And so I just, I see a lot of value in it from that perspective.
00:11:43And, you know, that to me, that's maybe apart from just, you know, do you actually believe or not, which
00:11:48maybe is a separate question.
00:11:50But I think, you know, to me, I do see it as something that gives a lot of people strength,
00:11:57a lot of people, the ability to get through hard times because they have that infinite resource to draw upon
00:12:03that infinite source of strength.
00:12:05And that's very nice, but that is, with all due respect, the kind of hedonism, which it feels good, it
00:12:10feels better, it makes life easier.
00:12:14Philosophy has to just focus on what is true, valid, logical, empirical.
00:12:18Now, you don't just rely upon yourself when it comes to philosophy.
00:12:21A mathematician doesn't just rely on his own preference for numbers and calculations.
00:12:25You're following objective, universal, rational methodologies to get to the truth.
00:12:30But the idea that it feels good or it feels better or it feels less bad, hey, I mean, I'm
00:12:35not going to argue with that.
00:12:36Of course, it does give people a lot of comfort, but we can't base what is true on what feels
00:12:43better.
00:12:44We do really have to continue to move forward as a society to try and get to rational, universal, empirical,
00:12:50rational truths that are consistent logically and validated empirically.
00:12:55And there's no real going back to the way things used to be.
00:12:59And the other thing, too, is, you know, much though I love Christianity, boy, it has a very bad track
00:13:03record of holding onto countries.
00:13:05You know, they've just fallen like ninepins around the world.
00:13:08I mean, if you sort of look back over the history of Christianity, I mean, Egypt, North Africa used to
00:13:13be fully Christian.
00:13:14All the Middle East used to be fully Christian.
00:13:16Of course, that's where it started.
00:13:17And if you can just do a search in AI for, like, the number of countries that have gone from
00:13:22majority Christian to minority Christian over the last 2,000 years has been enormous.
00:13:26And we see, you know, Islam and other religious viewpoints expanding rapidly while Christianity is sort of falling and fading.
00:13:34And I don't know that there's a way supposed to, I want to say there's a way to resurrect Christianity
00:13:38because resurrection is one of the central tenets of Christianity.
00:13:41But it seems pretty hard to turn that tide and bring it back because the success of the sort of
00:13:48rational, objective, scientific worldview has just been so overwhelming.
00:13:52I mean, of course, that's what we're basing this entire conversation on is the technology that comes out of science.
00:13:57Sorry, go ahead.
00:13:57I mean, I guess I just see, like, a couple of things.
00:14:00Like, one, I do think there is somewhat of a resurgence of Christianity in the U.S.
00:14:05At least I see a lot of news stories about it with the younger generations, how there's a lot more
00:14:09people going to mass, going to church, returning to the faith.
00:14:13You know, I don't know statistically what that looks like, but I think it does seem like there's a lot
00:14:18more interest in it.
00:14:20And I do think that, I don't know, I separate, like, how successful a religion is.
00:14:28And I also separate religion from faith.
00:14:30Like, you know, I went to a Christian sort of university and took some theology classes and one of the
00:14:38classes I took was early Christianity.
00:14:39And it was interesting to me that early Christianity had almost none of what's in the current, like, Catholic faith
00:14:46or Christian faith.
00:14:48Like, there was very little in terms of ceremony or rules.
00:14:51It was just love each other and treat each other well and, like, you know, yeah, believe in God, believe
00:14:57in Jesus Christ.
00:14:58But there was, like, I don't even know if there was even an official mass.
00:15:02There may have been that, but that was it.
00:15:04And, like, it was, there was not much more than that.
00:15:07And it wasn't until the whole, you know, battle where they, the leader had the dream and decided that everyone
00:15:16was going to suddenly be Christian that a lot of the other ceremony and religious stuff came in.
00:15:22And most of it came from other places.
00:15:24It wasn't from the early Christians.
00:15:26It wasn't from Jesus Christ's teachings.
00:15:28It was from, okay, we came with all these other traditions.
00:15:32We're going to now have all these holidays and we're going to have all these ceremonies and rituals and other
00:15:36things that were taken from other places.
00:15:40And so, I think personally, at the time, I wasn't believing, really, and I've kind of come back to it.
00:15:47But I think I've always thought of my faith as kind of more of a personal relationship between me and
00:15:52God, not, you know, mediated through a priest or based on whether or not I go to mass or all
00:16:00that.
00:16:00It's just, you know, to me, it's more of a personal thing and it's about just what I believe as
00:16:06opposed to, you know, did I follow all the practices that the priest told me I should.
00:16:12And I'm sorry, I know we don't want to make this whole debate, so I'll just keep this brief.
00:16:15But, I mean, that drift is a real challenge philosophically, right?
00:16:19So, if you look at mathematics and the laws of logic that Aristotle developed, the Pythagorean theorem, you know, the
00:16:24scientific principles of the relationship between mass and energy and the inverse square law, they don't change.
00:16:30They don't drift, they don't alter.
00:16:31Two and two make four is as true when mathematics was first conceived of by some guy who had a
00:16:35coconut fall on his head and said, well, I'm glad it wasn't two.
00:16:39They've all stayed the same.
00:16:40They've all stayed objective.
00:16:41The drift in Christianity just over the course of my lifetime, absolutely staggering.
00:16:46I mean, you know, absolutely the relationship with homosexuality, you've got the Pope kissing the feet of migrants and massive
00:16:53changes in the doctrines.
00:16:54That doesn't really happen in logic.
00:16:56It doesn't happen in science.
00:16:58It doesn't happen in mathematics.
00:16:59And, you know, the definition of a mammal doesn't suddenly drift from, you know, one year to the next.
00:17:05So, I do think that we're going to need to find some way to ground our belief systems in stuff
00:17:11that doesn't change just based upon the winds of political tides or infiltration or subversion or people just go in
00:17:19a particular way.
00:17:20And so, that's my sort of argument is that if the morals are based upon what feels better, the problem
00:17:25is then with political correctness, they just apply negative pressure to people to get them to change their beliefs.
00:17:31And you can see these beliefs drifting all the time.
00:17:34And Christianity, as you point out now, would be unrecognizable even to the Christianity that I was instructed in as
00:17:39a child, lo, those many moons ago.
00:17:41And that's troubling for me that if the basic values are that drifty, where do we stand?
00:17:48Well, and the final point I would make on this is just I also separate faith from philosophy or rationality,
00:17:59frankly.
00:17:59Like, I see it as a different type of thing, because the nature of faith to me is believing in
00:18:06something that you can't see or you can't verify.
00:18:08You can't prove the way you can with logic and rationality and science and all these other things.
00:18:14And so, I see it as kind of a fundamentally different thing.
00:18:18You have to either choose to believe or not, and you can't prove it.
00:18:21And, you know, it would be similar in a lot of ways to what Scott Adams used to write with
00:18:27the simulation theory, because he sort of seemed to believe in that.
00:18:31And he had, you know, examples, evidence, things that happened in his life that I think led him to believe
00:18:37that.
00:18:38But I think there's a lot of parallels.
00:18:41I mean, I used to say, like, believing in the simulation theory is also an act of faith, because you
00:18:46can't prove it.
00:18:47You can't prove that there's a simulation and that we're living in it.
00:18:51You just have to kind of choose whether or not you believe that or not.
00:18:54You can't really definitively prove it.
00:18:56And Scott would kind of argue that point and say, well, you know, look at this that happened.
00:19:01Look at that that happened.
00:19:02And, you know, look at these things.
00:19:03But in reality, it's just the way he's explaining it, right?
00:19:08It's his interpretation of what's going on behind that that he can't see and he can't prove and he can't
00:19:13really see.
00:19:14Maybe he knows today after he left this life.
00:19:17But none of us can really know what's on the other side or what isn't.
00:19:22I just want to put my two cents in.
00:19:24So for me, I see that Chris.
00:19:28So back in the day, we never really talked about religion, politics and money.
00:19:32Right.
00:19:33Which was kind of nice.
00:19:34It was like a much more peaceful existence.
00:19:36And I think things were pretty good going on in the world, going on in America.
00:19:41And then I think that we just didn't talk about it for so long that people couldn't really instill their
00:19:50faith on other people because it was a thing you just didn't do.
00:19:53And, you know, everybody was led to have their own opinions and you just left it alone.
00:19:57And then I see with I'm going to link it right to social media.
00:20:05I'm going to link it to immigration, illegal or otherwise, and influences from around the world.
00:20:14I think that because people didn't talk about their faith and I'm not even saying whether I am religious or
00:20:23not in this, I'm just saying, but because people didn't talk about it or maybe didn't pass it down to
00:20:28their children or, you know, just maybe people got lazy and didn't go to church and didn't put their kids
00:20:35in whatever that school's called.
00:20:37Like when you do the school for your religion, I think that people just got lazy and got away from
00:20:43it.
00:20:43And in the meantime, there was a vacuum and these other things came in.
00:20:47And I remember when Kabbalah became like a trend, you know, and everyone's wearing their red string around their wrists.
00:20:56And I'm like, do you really know what that's all about?
00:20:58But, you know, so these things became trendy.
00:21:00Oh, now I'm a Buddhist and I like meditating.
00:21:03And, you know, so then everybody wanted to find their own little identity.
00:21:07And I think that that had a lot to do with whether it was, you know, Christianity or Catholicism or
00:21:14whatever it was just fading away from people because now people wanted to kind of, you know, get trendy.
00:21:19And then as far as Christianity, you know, going by the wayside, like in Africa, like you're saying, I think
00:21:26that just has a lot to do with barbarians coming in and murdering so many of them.
00:21:33You notice churches are burning to the ground at a number I cannot even believe.
00:21:39And I always compare it to I never saw a mosque on fire, but I've seen plenty of churches on
00:21:45fire.
00:21:46So I think that there's a lot of societal changes, lazy people, people that want to feel trendy and different
00:21:53and want their own identity.
00:21:54And going right back to I know that you believe in the family unit, Stefan.
00:22:01And I think that that's that's part of the deterioration of the family, of religion.
00:22:08Everybody just got trendy and and we allowed a vacuum and we allowed evil to come in.
00:22:16And I'm not saying that everything about religion is like the way the Bible is.
00:22:21I really don't know because I just don't know.
00:22:23But I do like the philosophy of Jordan Peterson saying act as if God exists.
00:22:29I think if you could at least act as if God exists and those things might be true, then you
00:22:35have a much more civilized world where people have parameters of what might be decent and what might not be.
00:22:43I just think if you don't have any guardrails, we're seeing complete and total chaos.
00:22:49And to me, it's frightening.
00:22:50And I'm not a religious person.
00:22:52So I'd rather see people acting as if there is a God than not, because when I see Islam and
00:23:00what they're allowed to do under Sharia law and what they're allowed to do in their mosques and what they
00:23:06can use them for, that terrifies me.
00:23:10So I just think that's just my philosophy on it.
00:23:14I don't know if it's so black or white, but.
00:23:16Definitely more than your two cents worth.
00:23:18That was very, very eloquently put.
00:23:20Oh, I'm sorry.
00:23:20I don't want to barge in if you had thoughts about that.
00:23:24No, go ahead, Stefan.
00:23:26I mean, there's a lot in what you said.
00:23:29The simulation theory, this is an old Cartesian idea that like, what if I'm just a brain in a tank
00:23:34matrix style and being manipulated by some external consciousness?
00:23:37So simulation theory can be rigorously opposed just by looking at the problem of turtles all the way down, right?
00:23:44So there's an old story.
00:23:46I think it was Babylonian cosmology.
00:23:48They said, you know, the world is sitting on elephants and the elephants are sitting on walruses.
00:23:54And then underneath that is turtles.
00:23:57And then people would say, well, but what's underneath the turtles?
00:23:59They say, no, it's turtles all the way down.
00:24:01It just keeps going.
00:24:02Infinity of turtles.
00:24:04It's like that would be a very deep soup bowl.
00:24:05And so the question of simulation theory is the sort of two principles that are important in science and math
00:24:12and philosophy, Occam's razor and parsimony.
00:24:15And now Occam's razor basically just says, don't unnecessarily multiply explanations.
00:24:19In other words, don't say, well, you know, gravity is a property of matter and it's angels with their little
00:24:24beating wings pushing down.
00:24:26And on the backs of those angels are more angels pushing down.
00:24:29It's like it's an additional couple of layers of explanation.
00:24:31It doesn't really explain anything and it's not necessary to dealing with reality.
00:24:35So if we are in a simulation, let's say that we are in a simulation.
00:24:39Well, then there has to be something outside the simulation that is running the simulation.
00:24:43Right.
00:24:44Some like in the matrix, it was the robots that were using human beings as batteries.
00:24:48So so they were in the real world.
00:24:50So somewhere outside of the simulation, there must be a real world with entities and beings or whatever that's running
00:24:56the simulation.
00:24:57And how do they know they're not in a simulation?
00:24:59Well, there could be another layer like it just and there's turtles all the way up.
00:25:02It's simulations all the way up and you have the problem of infinite regression.
00:25:06So you can simply say about simulation theory.
00:25:08I mean, obviously, there's no evidence for it.
00:25:10And there must be a non simulation universe out there.
00:25:13Like, again, if we're a simulation, there's got to be something outside of us that is the real world.
00:25:18And since there's no evidence of simulation theory at all, and we have to accept with simulation theory that there's
00:25:24a real world out there, then why not just make this the real world?
00:25:27Like you don't add anything by adding sort of simulation layers.
00:25:30Now, the simulation theory, though, as far as I understand, Scott putting it forward was absolutely fascinating because it unleashes
00:25:38the power of your mind and your potential.
00:25:41If you say I control reality, let's just say, like, I mean, I know you don't want to go too
00:25:46far and I can fly and jump out of a building.
00:25:49But if you say there's no practical limit to what my mind can achieve, that unleashes a whole load of
00:25:57potential.
00:25:58Like the unconscious mind is really not examined much by philosophers, maybe even by theologians.
00:26:03But the unconscious mind has been clocked at 8000 times faster than the conscious mind in particular calculations.
00:26:11And the people who don't understand math at all, you know, when they're given things of sort of social fairness,
00:26:16they run through the calculations with blinding speed.
00:26:18And so if you're sitting on a part of the brain, a foundation of the brain that is thousands and
00:26:25thousands of times faster than what your conscious mind can do, you really want to harness that.
00:26:30And you don't want to pretend that your conscious mind knows what your unconscious mind and your instincts and your
00:26:35second gut brain in your belly, which actually has a bunch of neurons and is really, really important.
00:26:39You know, the gut feeling, the gut sense.
00:26:41So what I love about simulation theory as a sort of mental exercise is if you say, well, what if
00:26:47there's no practical limit outside of physics to what my brain can accomplish?
00:26:52And of course, seeing the arc of Scott Adams life, you know, from, you know, relatively dweebish.
00:26:59And I say this myself as a teen dweeb, relatively dweebish to sort of bank teller, to cartoonist, to successful
00:27:05author people don't recognize or maybe they don't know the degree to which he was absolutely incredible public speaker.
00:27:12And of course, that was his big income prior to COVID and the de-platforming and so on, to astute
00:27:17political analyst, to, you know, incredible podcaster, you know, the talent stack.
00:27:22He didn't put any practical limit on what he felt his brain was capable of.
00:27:28And you just you just try.
00:27:29You just try things and see whether you're good at them.
00:27:32And Scott was so brilliant and so accomplished and so it's a kind of modesty that is really, really important.
00:27:41Immodest people say, I know the limits of my brain's capabilities.
00:27:45Modest people say, I don't know.
00:27:47I have no idea.
00:27:48I don't know what I'm capable of because there's layers to the brain, right?
00:27:52And there's the conscious mind.
00:27:53There's the unconscious mind.
00:27:55There's the gut reptilian instincts.
00:27:56There's creativity.
00:27:57There's dreams at night.
00:27:58And there's so much going on in the brain that we can't really understand that saying, well, I can't do
00:28:04that.
00:28:04That's beyond my capabilities is a form of vanity.
00:28:06Like you're putting a cap on what you think you can do.
00:28:10So I do love simulation theories and mental exercise to say, well, what if I can just kind of control
00:28:14everything and I'm capable of doing anything and there's no limit to my abilities?
00:28:18The amount of human potential that gets unleashed by taking that ceiling off and taking that lid off is just
00:28:23incredible.
00:28:24And I think Scott did an amazing job of not just displaying that, but also reminding his audience and saying,
00:28:29you are way more powerful than you think.
00:28:32And if you put a cap on your power, it's unnecessary and kind of dehumanizes you in a way.
00:28:38Oh, and he has, you know, the whole user interface to reality, which is kind of based on that idea
00:28:44to some extent.
00:28:46And I think a lot of that was just sort of empowering people, empowering people to do that.
00:28:51And I also just like the way he thought about things in terms of their utility or, you know, is
00:28:55this useful?
00:28:56Like he had all these different frames he would put on things, filters, he would call them like persuasion filter
00:29:01and other things, ways of interpreting things and ways of predicting things.
00:29:05And it did seem to me like he would just take what's useful and say, oh, well, if this makes
00:29:12me more effective or gives me more options or allows me to do more, then it's useful and I'm going
00:29:18to use it and I'm going to believe it or I'm going to at least, you know, put it to
00:29:22use.
00:29:23And I thought the same thing about his idea of us not having free will, that, you know, that was
00:29:30another thing that a lot of people in the comments would argue about all the time.
00:29:32And it's kind of a hard thing for a lot of people to accept that you don't have free will
00:29:36because it certainly seems like you do.
00:29:38And, but he would argue that you don't and that everything's determined and that, you know, I mean, there is
00:29:42some science, I think, backing that to some extent where they've shown that when you make a decision or when
00:29:49you think you made a decision, it actually happened earlier than that.
00:29:53And so like you, you, apparently there is at least some brain evidence that when you make a choice, it
00:30:02happens before you're aware of it.
00:30:04And so like when you think you made a decision, it actually happened a half second or a second before
00:30:09that.
00:30:10And, um, but I think when I really thought about that lack of free will, I just kind of stepped
00:30:15back and said, okay, well, what does that do?
00:30:17Like, what's the utility of believing that?
00:30:21And for the most part, I kind of concluded, well, it really doesn't matter whether you believe it or not.
00:30:27Cause he even, Scott would even say like, there's the illusion of free will.
00:30:30We all kind of have this illusion.
00:30:32Um, and it's, it's like, well, why does it matter whether you believe it or not?
00:30:36And what I came to conclude was if you believe there's no free will, then you're going to be a
00:30:42lot less judgmental of people.
00:30:44And that seemed to be the fundamental difference in my mind where like, and Scott was very nonjudgmental.
00:30:50Like he was very accepting of other people.
00:30:52He was, he would say that people would reveal stuff to him all the time that he wouldn't expect them
00:30:56to.
00:30:57Um, and I think it came from that just aura of being nonjudgmental.
00:31:03Like you, you felt safe saying anything to him because you just knew that he wasn't going to judge you
00:31:08for it.
00:31:09And I think people can sense that in other people, you know, is it safe to, to reveal this thing
00:31:14to them?
00:31:15And some people just naturally be like, yeah, all the weirdos and wackos just talk to me and say all
00:31:20this stuff to me.
00:31:21And, and other people would be like, no one ever does that to me.
00:31:24And I think it's because they, you can kind of sense when you're talking to someone, is this person judging
00:31:28me right now?
00:31:30Or are they, you know, open and willing to accept the way I am?
00:31:35Yeah.
00:31:36Boy, we're going, we're going deep today, man.
00:31:38I know.
00:31:39History, God, uh, culture, religion, free will, simulation theory.
00:31:45I love it, man.
00:31:46This is, this is the waters I swim in.
00:31:47So I'm happy to keep going, but it's your show.
00:31:49So take it where you want.
00:31:51Um, somebody, boo dog in the chat, boo, what, what is your question about the 10 commandments that they're unchanging?
00:31:59Um, I don't know exactly what your question for Stefan is about that, but if you let me know, I'll
00:32:03ask him.
00:32:04Um, oh, I think I, I think I know what he means.
00:32:06So I was talking about how Christianity drifts and yet the 10 commandments are, um, sort of solid and foundational.
00:32:14Well, but science and math don't drift and logic doesn't drift, right?
00:32:19So, you know, the, the sort of classic formulation of the first syllogism, right?
00:32:23Uh, all men are mortals.
00:32:24Socrates is a man.
00:32:25Therefore, Socrates is mortal.
00:32:27Sort of the three laws of logic developed by Aristotle, or at least first identified by Aristotle.
00:32:31They haven't changed.
00:32:32Nothing has changed in terms of logic and math and geometry and, and so on from the very beginning.
00:32:38But that has, sorry, but Christian doctrines have drifted.
00:32:41Sorry, go ahead.
00:32:42I was just going to say, I don't know if I would completely agree with that only that I think
00:32:46we discover new things about science and logic and, and other things as well.
00:32:54You know, I mean, even the philosophers, it's evolved over time, these different schools of thought and, um, are certainly
00:33:01our understanding of reality changes all the time.
00:33:03And I think there are a lot of things that we really don't understand.
00:33:06We might think we do, but then it ends up being disproven over time.
00:33:10So I do think that I don't think science is something that just doesn't change.
00:33:15Well, no, but that's a bit of a straw man, right?
00:33:17I'm not saying that our knowledge doesn't change.
00:33:19Of course, our knowledge expands and grows all the time.
00:33:21And what I'm talking about is principles of geometry and logic and so on, and the scientific method as a
00:33:28whole.
00:33:28And, you know, that sort of sign to gravity, uh, we can maybe get a deeper understanding of gravity, but
00:33:33gravity doesn't sort of flip around like you're dialing it up and down in some video game.
00:33:37And so that the principles of reason and the principles of geometry, uh, don't change over time.
00:33:44And sure.
00:33:44Yeah, absolutely.
00:33:45Of course, of course.
00:33:45I mean, it's a, it's a completely obvious thing to say.
00:33:48Our knowledge grows and our understandings of things changing, changes.
00:33:51But the principles of rational proof and consistency, particularly in reason on the art of logic and in mathematics and
00:34:00geometry, they don't change, right?
00:34:01The opposite angle theory is as true now as when it was first, uh, synthesized and so on.
00:34:06So, yeah, the principles don't change, but yeah, certainly the content does.
00:34:11Owen's satisfied?
00:34:13Yeah, I am.
00:34:14Okay.
00:34:14So I do want to switch up for a second because, um, Stefan, I just crack up at your Twitter
00:34:22account.
00:34:23I was telling you prior.
00:34:24So you guys, I'm sure you're all following Stefan by now.
00:34:28If you're not, come on, let's get in the game.
00:34:30Um, if you guys in the chat could drop his handle, um, so other people can click on it and
00:34:35follow, uh, Stefan on X.
00:34:37But I just, I'm just going to pull up your X account.
00:34:42I just, I'm going to read like a few posts that you made.
00:34:45Okay.
00:34:45So I know a lot of this has been kicked off.
00:34:48We talked about the Lindsay Clancy case just a little bit yesterday.
00:34:52Um, and now there's these women that are just, again, like Kabbalah, trying to find their clicks and their attention
00:35:01by, you know, thinking they're doing something.
00:35:04I don't know if they think it's virtuous.
00:35:06I think they just want to have attention or feel relevant or I don't know, have a say in something.
00:35:13But so some of your posts have been amazing.
00:35:15I'm just going to read a few.
00:35:17I love this.
00:35:19Normalize asking for women, how many cookbooks they have on the first date.
00:35:24Another one is women are mostly repressed by their own ridiculous standards.
00:35:30Um, you wrote, oh, this one here.
00:35:33Um, oh no, that one's there.
00:35:34Okay.
00:35:34Then let me scroll a little bit.
00:35:36Countless women are revealing the grim reality of false accusations against men by blaming Patrick Clancy for the murder of
00:35:44his children.
00:35:45Um, and then you have a lot of clips that you show of the, you know, these women.
00:35:51I was telling them yesterday, there's just countless clips of women, um, holding their babies.
00:35:56It's so sad and just, you know, complaining and everything.
00:35:59Um, then you wrote, seeing how many appalling mothers there are out there.
00:36:04I hope people understand why I said it was fine for adults to go no contact with abusive parents decades
00:36:11ago and got relentlessly attacked for it.
00:36:14Of course.
00:36:15So, I mean, and it goes on and on.
00:36:17And again, I love all of it because people are so afraid.
00:36:22I think, I don't know if afraid is a word, but like they just have a fear of like not
00:36:28being in their place.
00:36:29And so, uh, my, my ex bio, I always write, um, it says saying the things that you're thinking because
00:36:36I, I rail against women, not on purpose, but often because maybe because I am a woman.
00:36:44And so maybe some, usually the men are like, thank God someone's saying it because they feel like they can't,
00:36:50but I love that you can, and you are, and I think it's perfectly appropriate for a man to have
00:36:57an opinion about things with women.
00:36:59And I know Scott and I disagreed, um, not about whether abortion should be legal or illegal, but he just
00:37:08felt like I'm a man, I shouldn't have a say in this.
00:37:12And my opinion was, well, if you're the baby's father, you should absolutely have a say in this.
00:37:18Um, so I just want to give you the floor now because, um, there is definitely something wrong in the
00:37:26universe with family, marriage, babies, uh, traditional roles, you know, what, you know, what's your take on what you're saying
00:37:36and how do we fix it?
00:37:37No, I'm just kidding.
00:37:38No, no problem.
00:37:39We've got three minutes.
00:37:40I can, I can do all of that in three minutes.
00:37:43Um, well, yeah.
00:37:44Yeah. So, I mean, the, the, the, the cookbook thing I think is very interesting because one of the things
00:37:48that has become a challenge for a lot of modern women, and I absolutely adore and love women.
00:37:53Of course, I'm married to a wonderful wife.
00:37:55I have a daughter who I absolutely adore.
00:37:57And so, um, when, when crazy women are out there, it lowers the reputation of rational women.
00:38:03And I don't want the crazy women out there flooding everyone's timeline and having men walk away with this bewildered
00:38:08impression that estrogen is some sort of scrub factor that takes away human reason.
00:38:12That is not, you know, women can, can reason and beautifully, and, and I've been very influenced by female.
00:38:17I've actually been influenced more by female philosophers and thinkers than male philosophers.
00:38:21So the, the cookbook thing I think is interesting because among young women, there is a sense, you know, there's
00:38:28this question like, well, what, what do you bring to the table?
00:38:30So I am the table.
00:38:31And it's like, no, that's, that's not really a thing, you know, because basically that saying that for a young
00:38:36woman, that what you bring to the table is the potential for sexual access.
00:38:40And that is not something that is given to you by your reason.
00:38:44It is not something that's given to you by your virtue.
00:38:46It's just something that is implanted in nature, right?
00:38:48That, that men have high sex drives, particularly young men, and they want to have sex.
00:38:52And so they'll, they'll take these women out and the women just have to exist and don't have to provide
00:38:57a value back to the man.
00:38:59So if the man and 90% of dates are initiated by men and 90% of those dates, the
00:39:06man offers to pay and usually does pay.
00:39:08And so if the woman says, I want you to pay, okay, that's fine.
00:39:12I want you to ask.
00:39:13I want you to risk rejection.
00:39:14I want you to pay.
00:39:15That's totally fine.
00:39:15I have no, no issue with that.
00:39:17I, I hear men get rejected.
00:39:18Of course, I, I never experienced that myself, but I hear, I hear tell from the drums in the wilderness
00:39:23that this happens.
00:39:25But then, then of course, the man is bringing value.
00:39:27He's risking his ego.
00:39:28He's going to ask the woman out.
00:39:29He's going to pay.
00:39:30He's going to plan things and so on.
00:39:31And that's fine.
00:39:32But where's the reciprocal value?
00:39:34And it cannot be just sexual access.
00:39:36That is degrading to women's potential.
00:39:40You know, men and women desperately need each other.
00:39:42We are the yin and the yang.
00:39:43I just did a show about this two, two days ago.
00:39:46We desperately need to balance each other.
00:39:48You know, women's empathy balances man's somewhat cold rationality at times.
00:39:52And men's meritocracy needs to be blunted by women's redistributive instincts in the family and so on.
00:39:56So we really need each other.
00:39:58And women can provide and do provide enormous value to men.
00:40:02And if women come on a date with the expectation that only the man has to provide value and they
00:40:08just have to sort of sit there like a, like a royalty.
00:40:11And just have people kiss the hem of her garment.
00:40:13That produces an appalling sense of vanity and entitlement.
00:40:17And it doesn't help women understand that for relationships to sustain, both parties need to be providing a significant amount
00:40:25of value.
00:40:25And if the woman is just like, well, you provide me value, like, again, like the queen with the courtiers,
00:40:29you know, you just have to praise me.
00:40:30You have to provide me value.
00:40:32I don't have to provide you value.
00:40:34Actually heads off a cliff of depopulation.
00:40:37Because if women don't feel like, well, they need to provide value.
00:40:40And why do men pay?
00:40:41Men pay because we want to show that we're good earners and providers and we're generous in return for what?
00:40:45In return for the woman having children and hopefully raising the children so our culture can, I don't know, continue.
00:40:50And so women, men show resource acquisition and generosity so that women traditionally would, you know, become running households and
00:40:59have a bushload of children, a bushload of children and then all of that.
00:41:04So if the man is saying, and I know this is like compressing the tweet down considerably, but if the
00:41:09man is saying, listen, I'm happy to ask you out.
00:41:10I'm happy to take you out.
00:41:11I'm just curious how many cookbooks do you have?
00:41:13In other words, do you know something about running a household because, you know, sex is about children and sex
00:41:20is about continuing the culture, the lineage, the bloodline and so on.
00:41:24And so do you know something about running a household?
00:41:26Now, if the woman says, I don't cook for no man, I don't run no household, I ain't going to
00:41:31have no children, then she's saying, I'm not going to provide the value of children, lineage, continuation, education, household running.
00:41:39And that's fine.
00:41:40Women can absolutely choose to do that, but then they got to pay half, right?
00:41:43Like, don't be in a situation where you're showing your resource provision and generosity in return for the continuation of
00:41:49the bloodline with a woman who doesn't want any of those roles.
00:41:51Then that's fine.
00:41:52Then she wants to live kind of like a man.
00:41:54Then she should pay half.
00:41:55Sorry, go ahead.
00:41:56No, I was just going to say, it's the same thing.
00:41:58Like when I know someone who's, you know, starting to date someone or whatever, I'm always like, can they change
00:42:02a tire?
00:42:03You know, like, it's the same thing.
00:42:05Can you cook?
00:42:06Can you change a tire?
00:42:07I mean, you know, and I don't like the idea of like, oh, things should be 50-50.
00:42:12I'm like, no, they should be 100-100.
00:42:14So bring 100% of yourself.
00:42:17You bring 100% of yourself.
00:42:18Why would you want 50-50?
00:42:20Like, you know, give it your all.
00:42:22And there's, you know, a reason that we're attracted to our mates.
00:42:28It's like, but I think, again, I hate social media.
00:42:33I just feel like it has ruined everything.
00:42:35I think if it all went away, people had to like look at themselves in the mirror and look around
00:42:41and not, you know, just be doing things for people to fake admire them.
00:42:45You would have to see like, yeah, I actually don't bring anything to the table.
00:42:50I'm doing everything for people that don't know me to like my post.
00:42:53And at the end of the day, I'm left with this shell of a person who really isn't providing anything
00:42:59to anyone.
00:42:59And I think that's what I see mostly from, you know, the younger generation.
00:43:03It's pretty gross.
00:43:04And I can't imagine being a man or a woman right now trying to date because it's so fake and
00:43:17it's so transactional and shallow.
00:43:22And I don't know, like from meeting people to weddings and like all these like elaborate weddings that are all
00:43:29performative.
00:43:30It's like, you guys, what the hell is going on?
00:43:32And so I feel like we've really lost our way and we're so distracted that all of the things that
00:43:38are really important are slipping away.
00:43:42Sorry to interrupt.
00:43:42It's very tough for dating these days.
00:43:45And, you know, believe it or not, although I'm getting up there, I certainly do have a window on younger
00:43:50dating for a variety of reasons.
00:43:51In general, what seems to have to happen with dating these days, and I'd love to hear from your audience
00:43:56and if they have questions or comments that change this.
00:43:59What I've seen is that women, young women, need to help build the men up because particularly white males are
00:44:06so attacked and, you know, racists and colonizers and slave owners and just they're just really, really torn down in
00:44:14the modern culture because, well, for a variety of reasons.
00:44:16And so boys need to be kind of built up to have a healthy level of self-assessment and potential
00:44:24and all of that.
00:44:25And women, I think, can do that in a very effective way.
00:44:28But so a deficiency in self-esteem needs to be corrected among young men.
00:44:33But I would also argue an excess of self-esteem needs to be pulled back for women as a whole.
00:44:40You are not of value just because you're pretty.
00:44:42That's accidental.
00:44:43That's given to you by nature or God or whatever you want to say.
00:44:46You can't claim that you're a valuable person because men have 18 times the testosterone levels of women and tend
00:44:51to be lusty young beasts and so on.
00:44:53That doesn't actually make you of value.
00:44:55That's just accidental.
00:44:56That's like being born into a huge amount of wealth and saying, look, what a great businessman I am.
00:45:01That's just not a real thing.
00:45:03And so helping for women to help build up the confidence of boys who've had it sort of ground down
00:45:07and stripped down through like media and education and other things.
00:45:10But also women need to be able to sacrifice some of their vanity and say, look, I actually need to
00:45:15provide value.
00:45:16I can't just be born royalty.
00:45:18And of course, you know, all the simps pouring into their DMs and so on is just terrible for women
00:45:22because it makes them feel like, you know, you put a low-cut top on and then you've got a
00:45:26thousand guys who think you're some sort of green glowing Venus goddess of all time.
00:45:30And that's really, really unhealthy.
00:45:32So I think the combination of the two, race men's self-esteem, maybe bring women's vanity down just a smidge
00:45:39so that there's an even playing field.
00:45:41But it's easier to build someone up than it is to try and claw back some of their vanity because
00:45:47people want to be built up, but people don't like getting that vanity punctured a little bit, which is sort
00:45:52of the cookbook question.
00:45:53It's like, OK, well, what do you provide other than being attractive?
00:45:56What do you provide other than being sort of a young, fertile female and so on?
00:46:00And that is really, really important because if you just feel like you don't have to bring anything to the
00:46:05table, you just have to breathe and exist and maybe not eat too many muffins, that is not going to
00:46:11work out for relationships in the long run because men are really good at assessing value.
00:46:15Otherwise, the free market wouldn't be so productive.
00:46:17Yeah.
00:46:18So, Owen, we were talking about that Lindsay Clancy case yesterday and, you know, I was talking to a friend
00:46:26yesterday and I was like, you know, I don't know too much about it.
00:46:29I know the gist.
00:46:30OK.
00:46:30And I was like, wow, I really feel bad for her husband.
00:46:33You know, my God, like now he's got to sit there and relive this again.
00:46:37And he's, you know, and I said to one of my my girlfriends last night, I said, oh, you know,
00:46:41I feel bad for him.
00:46:42And she was like, oh.
00:46:44And I was like, what?
00:46:45And I'm like, do you think I do you think he's guilty or something?
00:46:49And she's like, I do.
00:46:50I think he killed the kids.
00:46:51And I was like, but he's not on trial.
00:46:53She admitted it.
00:46:54But there's there's absolutely zero proof that he did anything to hurt his kids.
00:47:01And it's just weird that it was taken there.
00:47:05And so, you know, I'm just so flabbergasted.
00:47:09And Owen, you just take it for a second.
00:47:11But it just seems like wherever a woman can blame a man that that's what they're doing anymore.
00:47:19And I'm just like, how is this a conspiracy theory?
00:47:21Like, how where did the conspiracy come from?
00:47:24I don't know.
00:47:26I mean, I don't know the theory.
00:47:28But like, I don't know what people are arguing in terms of saying it was the man that did it.
00:47:33Like, are they actually saying that he literally killed the kids?
00:47:36Like, yeah.
00:47:37I'm sorry to interrupt.
00:47:38But one of the arguments is that the horrible exercise bans that we use to strangle the children,
00:47:43that they have his DNA on them.
00:47:46And therefore, he did it.
00:47:47And of course, the answer is that he was desperately trying to get his children back to life by pulling
00:47:50the bans off.
00:47:52And so little things like that.
00:47:53But she has she's completely confessed.
00:47:55The trial is not about whether she did it or not.
00:47:57She said, I did it.
00:47:58Her lawyer has said she did it.
00:48:00The question is whether she was mentally competent and should be held criminally liable or whether she was suffering from
00:48:06a mental illness severe enough to remove moral responsibility.
00:48:08Sorry, I wouldn't go ahead.
00:48:10Well, I mean, I do think that there is an issue that and I think it's aligned with what you
00:48:14were saying earlier that there are at least some women that just have trouble taking accountability for anything and don't
00:48:21want women to have accountability for anything that they, in this case, did something horrible.
00:48:28And, you know, for some reason, women are rallying to her defense as if there was some justification for that.
00:48:35And that's certainly something I don't understand.
00:48:38Like, I mean, to your point, there are good women and there are crazy women.
00:48:43And this seems to be one in the crazy category.
00:48:45Whether or not she's mentally competent to stand trial is a totally different question.
00:48:48But I think, you know, someone who kills their kids, I don't think is someone anyone should be defending.
00:48:53And I think we should be looking for what caused it to say, how can we prevent more of these
00:48:59things from happening?
00:49:00And I pointed to SSRIs as a potential cause to look at.
00:49:04But I think, you know, it does certainly surprise me that people are rallying her defense and somehow blaming the
00:49:15man for what she did in any sense.
00:49:18And, you know, I understand there is real depression in the world that people are depressed and they have hard
00:49:26times, whether it's postpartum depression or other things.
00:49:29But, again, it doesn't justify bad actions.
00:49:33It doesn't justify killing your kids.
00:49:35And that just, like, killing your own kids seems like almost one of the most horrible things you can do
00:49:39to me.
00:49:41Yeah, absolutely.
00:49:42But, Stefan, you're all over this.
00:49:44So give us your assessment.
00:49:46Oh, oh, it's too much.
00:49:48It's too much.
00:49:49I do want to clarify.
00:49:50Okay, you guys, like, you know, I don't like qualifiers, but I'm going to say it for those of you
00:49:56in the chat.
00:49:56Yes, not all women and not all men.
00:49:59Whenever we're saying something, not all.
00:50:01Maybe, Andy, maybe it's 25%, as Scott would say.
00:50:04But we're just saying that this is like an epidemic now where everything gets turned into a conspiracy theory.
00:50:13Typically, the man ends up becoming a victim no matter what's happening.
00:50:18And, you know, it's not a good look.
00:50:20And women, you know, it's, like, so interesting what you'll band with women to, like, what subjects and, like, what
00:50:28you won't.
00:50:30None of it makes sense.
00:50:31So, you know, again, the lawyer is saying, yes, she killed her kids.
00:50:35So you guys, like, you got to get that out of your head.
00:50:37It's kind of a gross reaction to something.
00:50:40The man lost his three children.
00:50:42They were murdered.
00:50:43Whether you liked him as a husband or not has nothing to do with the fact that his three children
00:50:48were murdered.
00:50:51And postpartum psychosis or not, she, you know, Megyn Kelly was talking about this case.
00:50:57And she made a great point was that who was the cannibal guy that was, like, killing everybody?
00:51:05Jeffrey Dahmer.
00:51:06Jeffrey Dahmer.
00:51:07So he tried to use insanity, okay, for what he was doing.
00:51:12And the judge was, like, no.
00:51:15Like, you knew what you were doing.
00:51:17You weren't insane.
00:51:18Like, you had a thought process and it was methodical.
00:51:20So if Jeffrey Dahmer isn't going to get insanity, this woman, Lindsay, is not going to get it because she
00:51:26was very coherent.
00:51:28And, yes, she had mental illness, but that doesn't mean she was psychotic and out of her mind.
00:51:33And so, you know, you can't, I can feel sorry that she was so messed up for so long, but
00:51:39she knew what she was doing, is my opinion.
00:51:42But go ahead, Stefan.
00:51:43This is your wheelhouse.
00:51:45Well, she had a lot of support.
00:51:47So saying that the system failed her, she had huge amounts of support.
00:51:51Her husband made, like, $300,000, $400,000 a year.
00:51:54He switched to working from home.
00:51:56And she had her mother.
00:51:57She had her father come over and help.
00:51:59They had a nanny.
00:52:00And, of course, every modern convenience that, you know, when I grew up, we had to feed quarters into the
00:52:08heat meter in winter to stay warm.
00:52:11And we didn't have any laundry in the place.
00:52:14And things were just nuts.
00:52:15And I actually worked after high school up north in Canada, gold panning and prospecting, lived in a tent for,
00:52:21like, a year and no amenities and so on.
00:52:24And so she had, like, every modern conceivable amenity.
00:52:28She had access to the top-notch health care.
00:52:31I mean, I'm not a big fan of the SSRIs, but, you know, it's not known exactly how many she
00:52:35was taking, whether she was doctor shopping.
00:52:37That doesn't seem as likely as people guess because a lot of the same doctors were prescribing her stuff.
00:52:41So that's not exactly doctor shopping.
00:52:43But she had a lot of support.
00:52:45So the question to me is, what has happened to women's sense of virtue and consequences?
00:52:53And, again, not all women.
00:52:54My aunts, when I was younger, were very strict in enforcing social norms.
00:52:59If a woman had an affair, she was cut out of the friend group.
00:53:02She'd never be invited anywhere.
00:53:03Like, women can be amazingly powerful at enforcing social norms in the soft power of ostracism and exclusion.
00:53:10Really just amazing.
00:53:11Men, we tend to, you know, thump people in the head when they do wrong.
00:53:15But women can freeze out and ostracize, which is even more powerful in many, many ways.
00:53:20So what's happened with modern women?
00:53:21I don't think it's super, excuse me, complicated.
00:53:25What's happened is when women got the vote and men, of course, we love to please women.
00:53:31We live to please women because, evolutionarily speaking, tons of men didn't reproduce if they didn't please women.
00:53:37So we had to please women.
00:53:37So what's happened is women get upset and men and politicians and the government and the treasury throw infinite resources,
00:53:45or at least as infinite as they can be, in a fiat currency system at women so that they don't
00:53:49experience negative consequences from their bad decisions.
00:53:52So if a woman doesn't get married, she still gets huge amounts of welfare and she still gets huge amounts
00:53:59of government support.
00:54:00And she can get a job that's mandated by equality laws and so on.
00:54:04If a woman gets an STD, well, she just gets health care and she gets, certainly in most socialized countries
00:54:10and a lot of places in America with health care for the poor, she gets cured for free.
00:54:14If she has a child outside of wedlock, well, she just gets government and support and free health care and
00:54:19free education and so on.
00:54:20And if she doesn't save for her retirement, then, you know, people will step in and sort of help her
00:54:24out.
00:54:25And morality comes from negative consequences.
00:54:28I mean, if you didn't feel any pain, you probably wouldn't really worry that much about getting injured.
00:54:32Morality comes out of negative consequences.
00:54:35And what we've done as a society is we have taken from women away, oh, if you got pregnant, oopsie,
00:54:41oh, you can just have an abortion and it'll be paid for by the government.
00:54:44So the negative decisions that women make, which are really the most important decisions that women make, like who they
00:54:51have children with and how they're going to raise those children and so on, that is the future of society,
00:54:56right?
00:54:57If women have children with responsible men, you tend to have responsible children growing up.
00:55:01If women have children with irresponsible men, you tend to have dysfunctional children growing up, fatherless children, lower IQ children,
00:55:07and so on.
00:55:08And so it's really, really important that women make good decisions about who they mate with.
00:55:12And the negative consequences of those bad decisions have largely been stripped away.
00:55:17And if the woman is just dissatisfied in the marriage, even if she has an affair, goes and sleeps with
00:55:21other men, she could just divorce the guy.
00:55:24She gets custody 90% of the time, alimony, child support, welfare.
00:55:28And so what we've done is we've just said to women, you will never suffer any negative material consequences from
00:55:33your bad decisions, which is a terrible thing.
00:55:36I mean, imagine if we had a school system where you could never fail.
00:55:39I mean, who would study?
00:55:40Who would be hardworking?
00:55:41Well, a few autistic people, maybe, whatever, right?
00:55:43But most people would be like, oh, I can't fail.
00:55:46You remember that thing?
00:55:47I don't know, when I was a kid in school, they'd wheel in the AV unit, you know, and the
00:55:51teacher who has hung over but just put on a movie and just, like, sit in the back, you know,
00:55:55just regretting his life choices.
00:55:57But, of course, the first question we asked was, is this going to be on the test?
00:56:00And if it wasn't on the test, I mean, we'd just pass notes and fool around and, you know, doodle
00:56:06in our textbooks and so on.
00:56:08And now we've said there's nothing that is going to suffer any negative consequences for bad decisions.
00:56:15And so women have kind of drifted into a kind of massive debt and government subsidized unreality where they just
00:56:24can't make any bad decisions.
00:56:25And if they do make a bad decision, it's a man's fault.
00:56:28You know, everybody knows that any reasonably attractive woman has like 20 or 30 guys who would love to date
00:56:33her.
00:56:34And if she chooses the bad boy, well, it's just the bad boy's fault.
00:56:36And, you know, he fooled her.
00:56:37And so this lack of agency that happens with women in a highly redistributive welfare state where they're protected from
00:56:46negative consequences makes women less moral.
00:56:50Because in the same way that if you know you can't fail in a course, you're just not going to
00:56:55study as hard.
00:56:56And so taking away negative consequences from people turns them crazy.
00:57:00We are designed as a species to rub up against reality, to have the resistance of, ooh, what if I
00:57:06make a bad choice?
00:57:06What if I make a bad decision?
00:57:07I've got to do the right thing because otherwise really, really bad things will happen.
00:57:11We've taken that away in a material way from women as a whole and shifted the burden to men, right?
00:57:16Women get much more out of the tax system that they pay in, the vice versa for men.
00:57:20And when you take away negative consequences from people, we know this with kids, right?
00:57:24I mean, oh, you broke it?
00:57:25I'll buy you another one.
00:57:25Oh, you made a mistake?
00:57:27I'll just fix it.
00:57:27Oh, you're doing badly in school?
00:57:30I'll just go yell at the teacher and make sure you pass.
00:57:32If you take away negative consequences from anyone, they go kind of slowly crazy over time.
00:57:37And we've now had two or three generations of women where in the West, there really aren't any catastrophic decisions
00:57:44that they can make.
00:57:46And then when women have made bad decisions, and I used to get in trouble for this, and I'll stop
00:57:50in a sec.
00:57:51Back in the day, I probably still will, because I was pointing out to women, like, if you don't have
00:57:55kids, it's fine.
00:57:55You know, if you've got some big absorbing thing that you want to do with your life rather than have
00:57:58kids, totally fine.
00:58:00But for most people, for most people, the big creative and wonderful thing they can do is raise a family,
00:58:04have children.
00:58:05Because, you know, from the age of 40 to 85, that's a long stretch of years.
00:58:11And if you don't have kids, you know, and you're not being pursued in the way that you were when
00:58:15you were a young woman,
00:58:16that's more than half your life and more than double your adult life that you're going to have to find
00:58:20something to do.
00:58:21And so what we do is the women who've made bad decisions, which is they haven't invested in relationships,
00:58:28they haven't invested in children, and maybe they've just, you know, gone to work and made money,
00:58:32but that doesn't fulfill you when you get older and certainly not in the 20 years of retirement.
00:58:36We just take them out of the equation.
00:58:38We just don't show them anymore.
00:58:40They're just gone.
00:58:41So those slow burn bad decisions, you know, men have a lot of time to turn around bad decisions.
00:58:48You know, we can wake up at 40 and be like, oh, man, I got to get serious.
00:58:51I got to stop watching porn and playing video games and I got to buckle down and I got,
00:58:55and, you know, you've still got, you know, 30 years of productivity ahead of you.
00:58:58But a woman who doesn't want to have kids who's sailing past four,
00:59:01who doesn't want kids sails past 40 and changes her mind like it's kind of too late.
00:59:04And then you've got a long time to regret.
00:59:07So taking away negative consequences drives people crazy, makes them amoral.
00:59:11And I think that's one of the reasons why women are like, oh, is there a woman experiencing negative consequences
00:59:17for bad decisions?
00:59:18Oh, that makes me upset.
00:59:19I don't like that.
00:59:20Yeah.
00:59:21Well, I would throw in, I would throw in that, and I know you talked about this and probably got
00:59:26in a lot of trouble for it,
00:59:27about, I think women are lied to and it leads to these bad outcomes where, you know,
00:59:34women in their 20s have a lot easier time having kids than women in their 30s.
00:59:37And women in their 30s have an easier time than in their 40s.
00:59:41And I think a lot of women were told, oh, you have time.
00:59:44You should have a career first.
00:59:45You know, you can have a family later or you can do it all or whatever.
00:59:49And it's just not true.
00:59:51And so a lot of women, I think, were deceived by that and were led down this path where suddenly
00:59:57they don't have kids,
00:59:58they can't have kids, and now they're just stuck and nobody cares.
01:00:02You know, nobody comes to save them because they can't.
01:00:05I mean, biologically, you can't.
01:00:06So, like, I think, and you still have it happening with AOC freezing your eggs and all this stuff,
01:00:12and nobody seems to talk about the fact that that's a very unlikely process to be successful statistically,
01:00:18that it doesn't often happen.
01:00:21I mean, it happens sometimes, but the success rate isn't, like, as certain as people make it seem,
01:00:27where you can just take your frozen embryos and just, you know, thaw them whenever you feel like it,
01:00:32and it'll be fine.
01:00:34Because a lot of people have tried that and failed.
01:00:36And a lot of people have gone through the IVF stuff and failed.
01:00:40And then they're just stuck, you know?
01:00:43They just don't have those kids that they wanted.
01:00:46And I think, unfortunately, a lot of women realize that too late,
01:00:51where they just, you know, thought that this was all going to work out, and it didn't.
01:00:57And I think, at a minimum, I would hope we could just be honest about these things with women
01:01:02to give them the advice, or at least knowledge, that, you know, if you make this choice,
01:01:09if you get on this path of having your career and putting off having kids,
01:01:13you might come to regret it later.
01:01:15And no one's going to be able to save you.
01:01:18Well, it's a lot more fun to date than it is to raise a baby.
01:01:21I mean, I'm jetting off to Ibiza.
01:01:24You know, like, that's a lot of fun, hanging out on a yacht.
01:01:27You know, like, I mean, who wouldn't want to do that?
01:01:29You know, whereas I'm breastfeeding, and I've been up five times tonight,
01:01:33and I haven't done my hair in three weeks.
01:01:36It's a sacrifice.
01:01:37It's hard work, you guys.
01:01:39I mean, you know, no one's saying it's easy to have a child and to raise a family.
01:01:43It's hard, but the reward is, you know, you've raised a family.
01:01:48And, you know, you...
01:01:49Anyone who has had kids would certainly, number one, agree that, yeah, it's a lot of hard work.
01:01:56It's a lot of sacrifice.
01:01:57It's not fun a lot of the time.
01:01:59But at the same time, at least for most people, putting apart this case we just talked about,
01:02:05most parents would say, I don't regret it at all, and I can't imagine not having done it.
01:02:11And my kids are, like, the best thing I've ever done in my life.
01:02:16I mean, my wife has said that, that having our two boys is the best thing she ever did.
01:02:21Oh, and please, sorry to interrupt, but please, I would get on my knees and beg your audience,
01:02:25except I'd go out of frame and they'd just see the tip of my hat.
01:02:29Please, Lord above, I am an older dad.
01:02:32If you can avoid being an older dad, that's a big plus.
01:02:36Please, please, please do it in your 20s.
01:02:38Because in your 20s, you can get very little sleep and you can just bounce back like a trampoline.
01:02:42You know, when my daughter was 10 and I was...
01:02:46Not 10.
01:02:47When my daughter was 10 and I'm in my 50s, she's like,
01:02:49Daddy, Daddy, come climb a tree with me.
01:02:52And I'm like, I don't know, man.
01:02:54I guess I could climb the tree, but on my back and my...
01:02:57You know, like, she was like, oh, come on the zip line with me.
01:03:00And it's like, I'd love to.
01:03:01I'm going to come on the zip line.
01:03:03I'm just telling you my arms are going to hurt for two weeks.
01:03:05It's just, please, please, Lord above, do it when you're young.
01:03:09That's when nature wants you to have babies.
01:03:11That's when it's the easiest to get pregnant.
01:03:13It's the easiest to bounce back.
01:03:14You'll have tons of energy.
01:03:15Oh, and also, you won't be some cryptkeeper Methuselah like I'm going to be when I become a grandparent.
01:03:21I mean, all that happens when you delay having kids is you have fewer years with your grandchildren
01:03:26and fewer years to support your children having their own children.
01:03:29So for a variety of reasons, I'm the smoker telling you not to smoke, so to speak, for a variety
01:03:34of reasons.
01:03:35Become an older dad if it's your only option or if that's what happens, totally fine.
01:03:38But please, Lord above, recognize that you're going to get all kinds of dusty and creaky over time
01:03:44and trying to keep up with a toddler and the sprint around situation of,
01:03:48Dad, let's play tag.
01:03:49I'm like, can I just pay a younger guy to play tag with you?
01:03:53You're like, I lose.
01:03:54Oh, but my knees.
01:03:55What about my knees?
01:03:56So please, Lord above, do it young and you'll thank me later.
01:04:01I totally understand.
01:04:02I totally agree that it's true for men, too, that if you have your kids younger,
01:04:08then you get to see them grow up.
01:04:09You get to see their kids, you get to see them get married and go through all the things
01:04:15that are just really satisfying in life.
01:04:17You know, it's just, I'm really looking forward to seeing my kids get married one day
01:04:20and to have their own kids one day.
01:04:21And I'm enjoying right now, because my kids are home, just seeing them as adults
01:04:27and just who they became and being able to spend time with them that way.
01:04:32And, you know, my brother had kids much later and they're still young
01:04:36and he's the same age as me, pretty much.
01:04:39And, like, I just, I think I made a better choice.
01:04:45And it wasn't necessarily his choice.
01:04:47I mean, like, you know, it took him as long as it did to find a mate and to, you
01:04:50know,
01:04:51start that process.
01:04:51So there's nothing wrong with what my brother did.
01:04:53It's just, if I could choose one or the other, I would certainly have chosen what I did
01:04:58in terms of getting married in my 20s, a few years later starting to have kids.
01:05:02It just seems like I look at his situation and I'm like, man, I'm glad I did it when I
01:05:07did it.
01:05:07You know, that if I had waited 10 years, it just seems like everything would have been
01:05:12a lot harder and I would have gotten 10 less years with my kids.
01:05:16Well, and when your kids say, Daddy, chase me on the monkey bars, you can be like, I'm
01:05:21in, kid.
01:05:21I'm chasing you on the monkey bars as opposed to, let me warm up for a little bit first.
01:05:25I need some massage.
01:05:26I need to stretch, you know, all of that kind of stuff.
01:05:29So yeah, the spontaneity of younger parenting is just a consummation devoutly to be wished.
01:05:34I love it, you guys.
01:05:35Thank you so much, Stefan.
01:05:37So you guys, listen, I think it's best that we have Stefan on more frequently.
01:05:43Wouldn't you guys agree?
01:05:44So Stefan, we got to get you back here.
01:05:46We'd love you to come back after the debate too and tell us how it went.
01:05:49Post-mortem.
01:05:50Yes.
01:05:50Let's do a little wrap up and I also want to say, this is why I say men should have
01:05:56a
01:05:57say in everything because here's two men right here that are fathers and husbands and have
01:06:04a great family unit and lives and men should have a say in everything, okay?
01:06:10So I hope we can change the trend of just trashing men and making them that way.
01:06:16Well, then women can vote on war and they can't get drafted.
01:06:18I mean, everyone welcomes that conversation, right?
01:06:20Sure.
01:06:21Sure.
01:06:22So to the men, thank you for being you.
01:06:25We appreciate you.
01:06:27And Stefan, thank you so much for coming on today.
01:06:30We went a little bit late.
01:06:31Owen, thank you for being here and talking about your personal life.
01:06:36I do too.
01:06:36No, he totally get it.
01:06:38It was all me.
01:06:40But thank you for sharing about your lives too and personal stories to you, Owen, too,
01:06:47like with your family.
01:06:48It's good for women and men to hear all about these things.
01:06:53There's not enough conversation about it.
01:06:54So, all right, Stefan, we'll have you back sooner than later.
01:06:58And thank you so, so much.
01:07:00We hope you enjoyed being here today.
01:07:02And listen, we always say a special thank you to Scott and to Shelly for allowing the
01:07:09Scott Adams School to continue and go on.
01:07:11And thank you to every single person that shows up here on all the platforms and all
01:07:15the replays that are going to happen later.
01:07:18We truly appreciate you.
01:07:20And let's have a closing sip to our beloved Scott.
01:07:23And you guys get out there, be useful, make the most of every single day.
01:07:28Tomorrow's not promised.
01:07:29Okay.
01:07:30All right.
01:07:31To Scott.
01:07:32Take care.
01:07:32Thank you for the invitation.
01:07:33It was a great chat.
01:07:34Thanks, Stefan.
01:07:35We appreciate you.