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Filmmaker Amanda Kramer talks to Fest Track about distorting and reimagining past eras, infusing them with her distinctive style in her film "Please, Baby, Please", the power of perspective and perception in genre and exploration of personal fantasies in regards to her Filmmaker In Focus Spotlight at the 2022 International Film Festival Rotterdam in Rotterdam, The Netherlands.

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00:25I saw Please Baby Please.
00:27I also saw Give Me Pity.
00:30So I was able to see both the bookends of the festival.
00:34But the one thing I wanted to first talk to you about is perspective and perception, especially in genre.
00:41I mean, because you're doing things like as an ode almost to the 50s, but Give Me Pity is like
00:46the spectaculars on TV.
00:49Could you talk about approaching that in terms of vision, but also in terms of style?
00:56Sure.
00:57You know, I don't have very much love or need to be retro or nostalgic.
01:04I don't necessarily consider making period work, either of those things.
01:10I think that I see it through like a lens of my own time, if that makes sense.
01:15Like, for instance, if you watch a movie like Carol, it's like the perfect 50s, right?
01:20That's what they're trying to do.
01:22These like perfect, delicate props.
01:24And I love to make it about sort of traveling through the 50s into the 80s, into the end of
01:33the millennium, into now.
01:35So it's like everything's a little exaggerated.
01:38Everything is a little bit more like hyphy and wild so that I can get in my own aesthetic and,
01:45you know, infuse it with a lens of time.
01:48And it's the same with Give Me Pity, you know, it's like I love thinking about these other eras, but
01:53I don't want to pay a direct homage to them.
01:56I want to distort them and make them sort of nightmarish and dreamlike so that they're not a perfect picture
02:02mirror of a time.
02:04I'm not a historian.
02:07I'm an artist.
02:08No, no, for sure.
02:09No, no.
02:09And that's why, like, I saw a little, especially in Please, Baby, Please, to Eraserhead.
02:15Yeah.
02:16Oh, that's cool.
02:17That's cool.
02:18You know, and because it's about using that aspect, but directing your actors in such a specific way.
02:24I mean, Andrea, and I've talked to her many times, you know, seeing her, she goes so much farther than
02:29I've ever seen her before.
02:31And yet it's with the style, you know.
02:33Yeah.
02:34Oh, she's, you know, she's fantastic.
02:35She's so committed.
02:37You know, I love all of Andrea's work, and I'm an enormous fan of hers.
02:41But I really have a connection to her comedic work because I find that that's a place where she can
02:50be extreme and performative.
02:54She's an amazing dancer.
02:56So it's just, you know, watching her do the kind of movement that she does when she's in comedy and
03:01the way that she sort of stretches her look, her vibe, her energy.
03:05That's really, you know, where my inspiration came from when I was shooting.
03:11You know, it might sound corny to you, but Arthur refuses to be a man.
03:17Well, Arthur, if you're not a man, what are you?
03:20I am a man.
03:21I just don't feel the need to act male.
03:25Well, both of the characters, both Susan Arthur and with Harry, is the fact of, you know, using the irony
03:31and sort of making them mirror reflections as they turn.
03:34You know, can you sort of talk about that?
03:36Well, Harry, too, is an amazing actor, and I find him to be a romantic lead, period.
03:44You know, I think he should be cast as a romantic lead.
03:47He knows how to guide the story, and he knows how to track a character's arc in this beautiful way.
03:56And for him and Andrea, you know, when they met on the production and were first in their costumes for
04:03our very first scene together, I could sense immediately, you know, oh, this is Arthur.
04:09This is Suze.
04:10They look very specific.
04:11They seem like a couple, but different, you know.
04:14And she has her feminine wiles, and he has his, you know, more male-sensitive tendencies, but still separate, opposite.
04:23And then the traveling of the film is to get them to, as you say, switch and become more each
04:30other.
04:31And I think over the shoot, they started to somewhat ape each other's movement and somewhat ape each other's facial
04:40expressions, and they kind of pass each other, you know, like meeting somewhere in the middle of the film, and
04:48then go off into more extreme versions of one another.
04:52And that's a testament to brilliant acting, because obviously we're shooting out of sequence, and they're tracking their characters.
05:00But yes, that is the theme of the movie, when you, whether you're queer or not, or whether you're on
05:07a queer journey within your relationship or not, that feeling of being with someone, loving someone, and then sort of
05:13becoming them.
05:15And, you know, just kind of synthesizing into one sort of blob, and where you go from there, and how
05:21you grow from there.
05:23It's hard to believe I was even born male.
05:26I've never been enough of a genuine man.
05:29To suggest I am one, so maybe I'm not.
05:35Boy, what a kick.
05:36And the notion of identity, even with both characters, and how their fantasies sort of play out, is in some
05:42of those sequences, is so key, because of, you know, the aspect of more Andrea's character with S&M, you
05:50know, and all those aspects.
05:51You know, could you sort of talk about that and creating those sort of mind elements, like inside their mind
05:59as that floats into the movie?
06:01Fantasy plays a huge part in all of my work.
06:03I really care about fantasy life and sexual imagination, but also like, just where the mind wanders when you're having
06:16your private moments.
06:17And I do think that, you know, when you're with a person and you really love them and you've chosen
06:24them and that feels strong, your fantasy life starts to become very specific and tailored to you.
06:30And it can become strange and odd and mysterious part of yourself that you don't feel on a conscious level
06:37every day.
06:38So recreating that and making a sort of specific fantasy life for Andrea's character was definitely about her becoming engaged
06:47in these, the fantasies of these violent men, and that she would be dominating them and that she would be
06:53becoming them and she would be becoming this like tough male leather daddy figure.
06:58And for Harry's character, and for Harry's character, his fantasies would be more romantic and his fantasies are more about,
07:06you know, looking at Teddy, the male object of his affection, and seeing this pink light and seeing the sort
07:15of Doris Day, you know, like lightness of the era, you know, this idealized love that he doesn't necessarily have
07:25because he has realistic love.
07:27And so, you know, his fantasies are these softer pink imaginations, and hers are these harder blues and reds of
07:37a sort of like sexual perversity, like nighttime neon sensation, if that makes sense.
08:08And so, you know, his fantasies are these different types of things.
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