00:00I am on cross, Your Honor, please.
00:01Never mind if you're on cross.
00:03There are limits to cross-examination.
00:06Misleading questions are not allowed on cross.
00:08They are allowed.
00:09I don't think I need to lecture you that.
00:12Your Honor, please, I am preventing myself from giving her a spanking, Your Honor.
00:20I would like to ask this court to not allow side comments like,
00:25I was about to spank her.
00:26Or, iga lang naman ho natin yung kapwa natin na lawyer.
00:30We should learn to respect each other.
00:34Can counsel for the prosecutors,
00:37be reminded not to make an argument,
00:40not to argue for the witness, Your Honor.
00:43I will accept.
00:44Let's leave it at that.
00:45I accept what she said, Your Honor.
00:46I will regain from lecturing her, Your Honor.
00:49Ngayon, ng linggo ng impeachment trial ni Vice President Sara Duterte
00:53ay pinagpatuloy ang pagtalakay ng Article 1 pa rin.
00:56Ng Articles of Impeachment,
00:58kaugnayan ng hindi umunong wastong paggamit ng confidential funds
01:02sa Office of the Vice President at Department of Education.
01:05Para dyan, ay bumalik itong si COA, Intelligence and Confidential Funds Audit Office State Auditor,
01:12Sailene May Dal Campo,
01:13bilang witness ng prosekusyon at inauthenticate niya ang libo-libong mga acknowledgement receipts,
01:19galing mismo sa OVP at DepEd.
01:21Sa pagsisimula pa lamang ng linggo ng impeachment trial,
01:25itong August 11, ay nagkaroon na ng sagutan sa pagitan ng counsel for the prosecution
01:30at ng depensa o ng respondent dahil umano sa hindi pagsipot ng defense team
01:37dun sa ipinagputos ng Senate Impeachment Court na last week para magkumpara na sila
01:43noong mga dokumento ng hawak ng dalawang banig tungkol sa confidential funds.
01:48Sinabi ni Private Prosecutor,
01:51Atty. Lorna Kakuna,
02:05Ito po ang nangyari na in-dyan po kami.
02:08Napakalino naman sa directive ng presiding officer
02:12na mag-agree on a date on Thursday or Friday of last week.
02:18August 14, what good will that do us?
02:21The hearing is today.
02:23August 10.
02:25And they want us to appear before the clerk of court to compare documents on August 14.
02:32Sagot naman ni Defense Lawyer, Atty. Christine Ferrer,
02:36hindi na raw kailangan magpita pa ang prosecution at depensa
02:39para lamang magkumpara o pagkumparahin yung mga exhibits
02:43para raw mas makabilis ang impeachment proceedings.
02:47The authenticity of the exhibits is something that the court will have to decide.
02:53And the court will only decide on that after the prosecution has already submitted their offer of evidence.
03:00And that will be subject to our comment.
03:02Itong August 12, naging mainit din ang cross-examination naman ng defense kay Tal Campo.
03:08Hiniling kasi ni Atty. Capunan kay Presiding Officer Sen. Chisa Scudero
03:12na sabihan si Ferrer na huwag putulin yung sagot ng witness sa kalagitnaan ng kanyang pagsagot.
03:19Sabi naman ni Ferrer na dapat atasan din, Escudero, ang witness na sumagot lamang ng yes or no.
03:26At may oras naman daw si Capunan para sa clarificatory questions sa redirect examination.
03:32I am on cross, Your Honor, please.
03:34I'm counsels.
03:35Never mind if you're on cross. There are limits to cross-examination.
03:39Counsels.
03:40Misleading questions are not allowed on cross.
03:42They are allowed.
03:43I don't think I need to lecture you that.
03:46Dahil dito, pumagitna na si Presiding Officer Chisa Scudero
03:49lalo na tila may generational divide umano sa pagitan ng counsels.
03:54Let's not allow the generational or seeming generational divide increase the tension in the courtroom.
04:02Let's keep it a notch lower.
04:04Your Honor, please. I am preventing myself from giving her a spanking, Your Honor.
04:11That is what I would have done in the generational divide, Your Honor.
04:16Again, counsels, you are all members of the bar and you're all counsels for the parties.
04:22And we will be treating and looking at each one equally.
04:26I have, you know, high respect for Attorney Capunan.
04:29In fact, she's one of my ideas.
04:30You can end there, counsel.
04:31Let's end here. Let's end here.
04:32You can end there.
04:34It might sound like a eulogy, Your Honor. I'm still very much alive.
04:39Sa testimony naman ni Del Campo, kinumpirma niyang naging subject ng Notice of Disallowance
04:45ang 73 million pesos na confidential funds ng Office of the Vice President
04:51na nagastos mula December 21 to 31, 2022 o 11 days lamang.
04:57Sa kabuoang halaga, halos 70 million pesos ang nagastos para sa payment for OMONI rewards,
05:04habang 3.5 million naman ang ginastos para sa tables and chairs, computers, at printers.
05:10Pero para kayo, Del Campo, hindi raw sakop ng mga allowable expenditures sa ilalim ng COA Joint Circular 2015-01
05:18ang mga naturang item.
05:20Sinabi rin ni Del Campo na nag-issue sila ng pangalawang Notice of Disallowance sa OVP
05:27nang hindi na muna naglabas ng Notice of Suspension, matapos nilang makita o muna na may direct violations sa guidelines.
05:35Naging patayan nito ang naging testimony ni OVP Dispersing Officer Gina Acosta
05:41sa hearing ng Committee on Good Government and Public Accountability ng House of Representatives
05:48noong November 2024, kung saan sinabi rin niya ang posta na ibinigay niya ang cash advance
05:55para sa confidential funds sa dating chief ng Vice Presidential Security and Protection Group
06:02na si Colonel Raymond Dante Lachica.
06:06Pero sa cross-examination ng defense kay Del Campo, ipinakita ni Ferrer
06:12yung umunay yung mga Protective Intelligence Operations Report o yung PAYOR ng OVP para sa taon 2023.
06:20Dito tinupay ni Del Campo ng ilang mga aktibidad na binanggit ni Ferrer na nakalista sa report
06:26ay maituturing na may kaugnayan sa intelligence gathering.
06:30Gawi lang dito ang liasing with intelligence operatives, profiling participants,
06:35intelligence fusion for threat assessments and situation updates,
06:38at final briefings for intelligence personnel and informants.
06:43Ngayon man, nilinaw ni Del Campo na hindi raw sapat ang mga dokumentong ito
06:47para patunayan ang success na intelligence gathering activities.
06:52Sa usapin naman ang tagumpay ng isang operation,
06:55tinanong niya Scudero si Del Campo kung kailangan ba talagang may apprehension o huli
07:00para mapatunayan na successful ang isang information gathering o surveillance activity.
07:06Sagot ni Del Campo, hindi raw ito explicitly stated o nakalagay sa Joint Circular Memorandum
07:13at nakabase lang ito sa kanyang professional judgment at pagsisuri ng mga dokumento.
07:18Ano yan, sa ibang office na na-audit niya, may mga dokumento na nagpapakitang,
07:24may payment of rewards na may kasamang apprehension o mga huli.
07:28Question din ni Ferrer kung COA ba at hindi ang government agency na gumagamit ng confidential funds
07:35ang dapat mag-determine o magpasya kung dapat bang manatiling confidential informasyon tungkol sa supplier.
07:44Nangyari ito, matapos sabihin ni Del Campo na kailangan ng mga resibo para sa office supplies,
07:51pagkain at gamot na binili gamit ang confidential funds ng OVP.
07:56Para kay Del Campo, hindi naman daw maituturing na confidential ang mga suppliers,
08:02ng mga naturang items.
08:04Ang confidential ay yung paggamit o pinaggamitan ng mga items.
08:09So yung source hindi yan confidential.
08:11Sa mga ginamit, kanina mga ginamit, yun ang confidential.
08:14Sa interjection naman ng mga Sen. Judges, tinanong ni presiding officer Scudero
08:18kung ano ba talaga ang aktual na batayan ng kabuuan ng P375M sa disallowance.
08:24Base rao sa pagbabasa niya ng transcript ng testimonya ni Acosta,
08:27hindi daw naging malinaw na sinabi ni Acosta na binigay niya kay La Chica ang pera
08:32para sa first three quarters ng taong 2023.
08:36Sagot naman ng Del Campo dyan,
08:37ang naging basis umano niya ay ang general statement ni Acosta
08:41na narinig niya sa nasabing hiring
08:43at nilinaw niya na wala rao mismo ito sa transcript ng naturang testimonya.
08:48Ako po si Joseph Morong para sa GMA News.
08:54Ako po si Joseph Morong para sa GMA News.
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