00:00KAUSECUSYON
00:04KAUSECUSYON
00:05Ilang beses poOh nagkainitan ng depensa
00:07at prosekusyon sa ikalame-limang araw
00:09ng impeachment trial.
00:11Pinuna ni Attorney Lorna Capunan ng prosekusyon
00:13ang anilay misleading questions ng depensa
00:16sa tumestikong koaw auditor.
00:18Si Attorney Christine Ferrer naman
00:19ng depensa pumalag sa mga komento sa kanya
00:22ni Capunan.
00:23Binatikos din ng depensa ang isang social media post
00:25ng abogado ng prosekusyon.
00:27Saksi si Joseph Moro.
00:32Nagsisimula pa lamang ang day 15 ng impeachment trial ni Vice President Sara Duterte
00:37na kainitan na ang prosecution at depensa sa gitna ng cross-examination.
00:42Your Honor, the council cannot dictate how I will proceed.
00:45Inalmahan ang prosecution ang paggamit ng depensa ng kopya nila ng mga dokumento sa cross-examination.
00:51There was no stipulation yesterday.
00:54There was no constraint. Excuse me, council.
00:56Have we did a comparison? Not to belabor the obvious, Your Honor, but now council says, anyway, it's the same.
01:03So, if it's the same, what's the objection to using the prosecution's document?
01:08Pinuna rin ang prosecution ang paraan ng pagtatanong ng depensa.
01:11Ang nakalagay po kasi sa JC Under 4.8.5 is proof of success.
01:16Your Honor, please.
01:17Let the witness answer your own.
01:19Your Honor, please.
01:19Can the council be instructed not to stop the witness at mid-sentence, Your Honor?
01:29Your Honor, please.
01:30Can the witness be directed?
01:32Do this answer with yes or no?
01:33The council has her time to ask clarificatory questions later during redirect, Your Honor.
01:39Not all questions can be answered by yes or no.
01:41I am on cross, Your Honor, please.
01:42Misleading questions are not allowed.
01:45They are allowed.
01:46I don't think I need to lecture you that.
01:48Please, councils, let's not allow the generational or seeming generational divide increase the tension in the courtroom.
01:57Let's keep it a notch lower.
02:00Your Honor, please.
02:00I am preventing myself from giving her a spanking, Your Honor.
02:05You are all members of the bar and you are all councils for the parties and we will be treating
02:12and looking at each one equally.
02:15Ms. Ceylene, Ms. Ceylene.
02:17Yes, Your Honor, I promise to henceforth behave.
02:21I have high respect for Attorney Capunan.
02:24In fact, she's one of my idols.
02:25You can end there, Council.
02:26Let's end here.
02:27You can end there with high respect.
02:29It might sound like a eulogy, Your Honor.
02:32I'm still very much alive.
02:33Ang mga komento ni Council for the Prosecutors, Attorney Lord Nakapunan, pinalagan ni Attorney Christine Ferrer ng Depensa.
02:41I would like to ask this court to not allow side comments like, I was about to spank her, I
02:49was about to lecture her.
02:50Kasi yung mga ganun, Your Honor, wala ho yung lugar dito sa courtroom.
02:55Because we are all lawyers here, we are all professionals.
02:59Igalang naman ho natin yung kapwa natin na lawyer.
03:01Kung halimbawa, at kagaya nito, mas matandao sa akin si Attorney Capunan.
03:06Maybe she has more years of experience.
03:09She has 48 years.
03:10I have 15.
03:11We should learn to respect each other and refrain from making side comments, Oh, Your Honor.
03:16And that was captured by the media po.
03:18Attorney Capunan withdrew that statement earlier, if I remember correctly.
03:22Yes, Your Honor, and in fact, I hope it was also part of the records that I promised to behave.
03:30Sa cross-examination, binigyan din ang depensa na sa ilalim ng joint circular, hindi otomatikong humihingi ng resibo at pwede
03:38na ang acknowledgement receipts.
03:39Pero paglilinong ng COA, humihingi sila ng ibang pruweba para sa ibang confidential na gastusin na walang naibigay ang bise
03:47kundi mga acknowledgement receipts lamang.
03:49Pwede bang gamitin ang other record, adequate records sa pagbili ng bagay-bagay?
03:55Opo, pwede po.
03:57So, tables, chairs, spreading adequate records at hindi kailangan official receipts sa lahat ng panon, depende sa kalagayan at sitwasyon.
04:04Pero po kasi, ito po ay nagpa-pertain sa purchases, so mas sufficient po sa amin kung maipapakita yung sales
04:13invoice at official receipts po.
04:16Ipinuntopan ng depensa na wala sa notice of disallowance ng COA so OVP, ang mga nakakatawang pangalan gaya ng Mary
04:23Grace Piatos, Patty Ting at Miggy Mango.
04:25Wala pong finding si Ikpaw on the names, on the use of fictitious names or aliases.
04:33Nasa notices of disallowance po ba yun?
04:37Wala pong nakalagay sa notices of disallowance.
04:39If the name appears to be funny, does that automatically mean that the name is fictitious?
04:47Your Honor, please, the question is misleading.
04:50The point of flushing these acknowledgement receipts were not the names.
04:54They were flushed because of the manner by which the funds were used.
05:00Attorney Gabonan, you have to admit, you had fun with the names too.
05:04So let her cross the witness.
05:06Hindi mo masasabi na porket nakakatawa yung pangalan, eh peke na yun.
05:11Yun ba yung sinasabi ninyo?
05:12Parang hindi po ako makakasagot dun sa tanong na gano'n.
05:18Okay, basta walang findings na gano'n, no?
05:24Tinokoy rin ang depensa ang nakalakip sa liquidation itong Protective Intelligence Operation Report kung saan nakadetali ang mga aktibidad ng
05:31BICE at ang pinaggamitan ng pondo para masigurong ligtas siya sa pagdalo sa mga ito.
05:36Okay, papasok ko yan sa intelligence or normal work lang yan ng OVP?
05:41Sa intelligence.
05:43Profiling of participants who will be attending the event provided by organizers.
05:47Part 2 ba yan ng normal na function ng OVP?
05:51Or papasok ko siya sa intelligence work?
05:55Sa intelligence work.
05:56Ibahin natin ang payment for reward at payment for information.
06:01Ang payment for reward, yun ang hinahanapan mo ng success.
06:05Opo, tama po.
06:06Yung payment of information, hindi mo hinahanapan ng success yun.
06:10Hindi po.
06:11Tama po ba?
06:11Opo, tama po.
06:12So yung reward, kaya yung reward ang dinisalaw at yung information, hindi mo dinisalaw yung bayad na yun, di ba?
06:19Hindi po, hindi po na dinisalaw yung purchase of information.
06:21Tanong ni Kapunan, bakit ginamit ang pondo dito ngayong may sariling Vice President Security Group ang BICE na sinuswelduhan?
06:29Dapat din daw ay kinokoordinate ito sa law enforcement agencies na hindi raw ginawa ng BICE.
06:35The office of the Vice President has no less than 300, 400 security guards.
06:43If the security guards are being paid salaries, should these salaries be debited or reimbursed from confidential funds?
06:56Yung salaries po, hindi po siya pwedeng i-charge sa confidential fund.
07:00May finding ba kayo sa notices of these allowances nyo, both first and second notices, na yung BPSPG ay nagre
07:09-receive ng payments for reward and purchase of information from the confidential funds of the office of the Vice President?
07:18Wala po.
07:19Isa pa sa ipinupunto ng prosekusyon, bahagi ba ng mandato ng opisina ng Vice President at Department of Education na
07:26magkaroon ng mga confidential funds?
07:28Sa madaling sabi, dapat ba na meron siyang confidential funds?
07:32Sabi ng prosekusyon, hindi.
07:34Sabi naman ng depensa, ibinigay ito sa BICE.
07:37Kasama ba sa mandato ng isang Vice President ang confidential operations?
07:45Kung based po dun sa nakalagay sa mandato nila, hindi po.
07:49Noong 2022, the fourth part of 2022, alam mo ba ninyo na in-approve ng Office of the President ang
07:57confidential funds?
07:58Nang OVP.
08:01Based po sa mga documents na nasubmit sa amin, opo, meron pong approval.
08:05Noong 2023, nasa General Appropriations Act po yung confidential funds ng OVP. Tama po?
08:15Based po sa mga submissions sa amin, opo, nasa GAAPO.
08:18Bago magtapos ang impeachment trial ngayong araw, tumayo si Lead Defense Counsel, Atty. Sheila Sison.
08:24Inreklamo niya ang social media post si Private Prosecutor Atty. Amanda Ligutan.
08:29Nakasaad sa post sa hindi pwede ang misleading questions sa cross-examination.
08:33Walang pinatungkulan pero sa tingin ng depensa, ay patungkol ito sa naonang sinabi ni Atty. Ferrer.
08:39This was posted at 11.29 AM by one of the private prosecutors, Atty. Amanda Ligutan.
08:48I find it troubling that a private prosecutor would do this in the middle of a courtroom hearing.
08:56Paglilinaw ni Sison, ang tinutukoy raw ni Ferrer na pinahihintulutan ay ang leading questions at hindi misleading questions.
09:04Atty. Ferrer was only saying that leading questions are allowed on cross-examination.
09:11I really just find it in bad taste to do this at this time.
09:16And I think it is inappropriate to do that to a fellow member of the bar.
09:20Because even as we sit on the opposing side of this hall, we remain to be both members of the
09:28bar.
09:29And as officers of the court, we owe each other respect, you know, politeness or even kindness.
09:37Naroon si Atty. Ligutan pero sa susunod na trial na lamang daw siya pasasagutin.
09:42Nagpaliwanag naman si Ligutan sa media.
09:44With all the respect po, kung babasahin doon, I am asking you, did I mention a name?
09:52Did I mention what case?
09:56Zero. Nothing. Nada.
09:59Si presiding officer Jesus Codero nagbabala sa magkabilang panig na huwag magsalita tungkol sa merits ng kaso.
10:06One side has been crossing the line many, many times.
10:10And in fact, the presiding officer is already in the process of drafting a ruling and a warning and an
10:19order pertaining to this.
10:22Because clearly, I can even name all of you who have been commenting on social media in violation of Rule
10:2918 of the impeachment rules.
10:31Sa susunod na linggo ay nakatakotan to Ms. Tigo ang dalawang disbursement officer.
10:36What do you hope to hear or what do you expect to hear from the witnesses next week?
10:40Kung faulty yung resibo, kung faulty yung acknowledgement receipts, then definitely dapat makapagbigay ng testimonya yung special disbursing officers kung
10:50saan ba talaga napunta yung pera,
10:52kung kanino ba talaga naibigay or nairelease yung mga pondo,
10:56at kung totoo or hindi yung mga resibo and yung mga dokumento na naisubmit sa liquidation.
11:01So ang exciting next week in a way is yung tatlong witnesses na pinapatawag or apat na witnesses na pinapatawag
11:09ng prosecution
11:09were all employed by the Vice President at some point.
11:13So hindi natin alam if they will be just a normal, ordinary witness or makakakita tayo today, next week rather,
11:21nung konsepto ng hostile witness.
11:23Ako si Joseph Morong, ang inyong saksi.
11:26Ako si Joseph Morong, ang inyong saksi.
11:28Ako si Joseph Morong, ang inyong saksi.
