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En entrevista con El Espectador, la senadora y exministra de Salud se refirió a las banderas que liderará junto al Pacto Histórico en el Congreso. Hizo énfasis en la necesidad de aprobar la ley de competencias y habló de los retos y las posibles soluciones de la crisis del sistema. “¿De dónde saldrán los 10 billones?”, cuestionó sobre el plan de salud de Abelardo de la Espriella.
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00:11we give the viewer the
00:12Welcome to a new edition
00:14of interviews the viewer in
00:17We will enter this opportunity
00:19the political terrain in the
00:21Congress grounds and us
00:22accompanies today the
00:25who was the head of the list and
00:27one of the senators one of the
00:28most important faces it has
00:30the historical pact in these
00:32next four years he spoke of the
00:34former minister and now senator
00:37Carolina Corcho, to whom I give
00:38Welcome Senator, welcome
00:40Thank you very much to the viewer and a
00:42I send my warmest greetings to the entire audience.
00:44From the good spectator, eh senator
00:46Let's start precisely with that.
00:48premiere that you will have in these
00:51next four years in the
00:52Capitol grounds as
00:54first, how has he received it?
00:56Senate, uh, in these first few days
00:59that have been in good sessions
01:01Well, the Senate is a
01:02institution that I know
01:04quite a lot, given that in my
01:05position of Minister of Health
01:06and social protection had
01:07several citations by virtue of
01:10the reform that we filed as
01:12government initiative then no
01:14It's a new institution for me.
01:15also when I was a leader
01:17I participated in the union
01:18drafting of many laws in the
01:20Congress of the Republic between
01:22they the statutory health law of
01:24the first commissions that
01:25declared health as a right
01:26fundamental human good are
01:29many projects or a legacy
01:33rather important than it leaves the
01:35historic pact, but hey, it's already been done.
01:37Senator Iván Cepeda already said
01:39Even the president has said so.
01:40Petro the idea of continuing
01:42delving deeper into that legacy, I want
01:44then ask him from his seat
01:47obviously, then, with all the
01:49historic pact, that's what's going to happen
01:52to promote at least in this first
01:53year eh of government in which they will be
01:56again opposition in a
01:58collectively and as a group we have
02:00nine bills filed
02:02whose origin is the government
02:03national but also work
02:05that the caucus has done and that the
02:07Colombia needs, for example, the
02:10health reform law
02:11agrarian jurisdiction a reform to
02:14the risk management unit that
02:15has historically had problems with
02:18Corruption by design
02:19institutional unit that has
02:21risk management and the need for
02:22that is more effective in the
02:24protection of victims
02:26climate disasters and
02:27There is also an emergency room.
02:29draft bill to reform the
02:31Law Thirty on Higher Education
02:34another one related to the topic of
02:36fracking and so on, and the law of
02:38organic law competition that
02:40Our judgment is the reform to
02:41most important state of the
02:42recent history of the country that
02:44resumes a gain from the
02:45constitution of ninety-one in
02:47in terms of decentralizing the
02:48resources to the regions of
02:50Colombia talking about that law
02:52Senatorial competition is a point
02:54which I believe unites them in terms of
02:59purpose of following
03:00decentralizing the state both
03:02You have a historical impact now that
03:04They are the opposition, just like the government.
03:06incoming president Abelardo
03:07I want to ask the Espriella in
03:09In that sense, what are they or what will it be like?
03:13how might that debate look having
03:16Please note that you have already submitted the
03:17project because it was eradicated with the
03:20Minister Benedetti is then removed and
03:22You present it again, but
03:24what that discussion will be like and what
03:26those would be the points, let's say.
03:30untouchable, if you will, of what is
03:32has been doing with the government of
03:34Gustavo Petro, well, the first thing there is
03:36What to say is that if the next
03:38President Abelardo de la Espriella is
03:39consistent with what he has said
03:41I would have to continue this debate
03:42what caught our attention when we opened the
03:44The interior minister is stating
03:46So they're not going to continue with the
03:48debate on the competition law that
03:50It has to do with resources.
03:52arrival of resources for the regions
03:54that in the 1991 constitution it
03:56established in 45 percent of the
03:59The nation's current revenues go
04:00mayoralties and governorships, but there were
04:03counter-reforms that caused him to lose
04:04more than 400 trillion pesos to the
04:07territories for investment in health
04:10education and basic sanitation water
04:13drinking water and sanitation in this sense
04:16Those are some flags that we have to
04:18They have to continue defending
04:20earmarked resources
04:23for these three points with a
04:25anti-corruption policy where
04:27Let's clearly know where each one goes.
04:30I believe this resource has to
04:32accompany a reform to the
04:34regional control bodies such as
04:36for example, the ombudsman offices and the
04:38comptroller's offices that cannot be
04:40revolving doors of the clans
04:42politicians who govern the regions of
04:44Colombia should be organizations
04:46independent meritocrats that
04:48They help to keep track of those
04:49resources plus an establishment of
04:51organizations of citizen theories
04:53that allows us to this
04:55decentralization if it serves the
04:56citizenship in their regions and not
04:58ended up being a stronghold for the
05:00corrupt regional political class
05:01You believe that at that point at least
05:05He knows how to express in all this intention of
05:08State decentralization can
05:11to find common ground with the new
05:14government despite being so
05:16ideologically opposite poles
05:18Speaking of which, this is the law.
05:20organic matter arises from the
05:22vote on that legislative act
05:23He voted for the legislative act with
05:26qualified majorities the congress of the
05:28previous republic and that's where it ended
05:30that it was going to be agreed that 39.5 percent
05:34percent of the current revenues of the
05:35The nation is going towards those regions and
05:38He dedicated 12 years to
05:40to achieve gradually and progressively
05:42if the current government and its
05:43Majorities oppose an act
05:45legislative and the constitution then
05:47I think it's a terrible message for the
05:48good country talking about majorities
05:52Senator, we see a striking episode
05:55If we want the July 20th pact
05:57historical and the democratic center
05:59celebrating together not that choice
06:01honor and enrichment, how exactly will it be?
06:05that relationship with those forces that
06:08They are linked to the government, that's why
06:10The question is whether we will continue to see
06:12precisely these types of episodes that
06:15because in the end, although it calls the
06:17attention ends up being because not well
06:19positive in the collegiate bodies
06:21This type of thing is constantly seen
06:23voting we Honorio Enrique us
06:26It provided better guarantees for the exercise
06:27of the social and political opposition and in
06:29function of an agreement on the table of
06:32public character not of components under
06:35at the table, we expressed our vote
06:37It also happens that if in the
06:39government of Abelardo de las Priella by
06:41For example, he expressed yesterday in a
06:42phrase that was interested in that
06:45the pension bonus for old men and women
06:47was given for four hundred thousand pesos to
06:49We agree with that.
06:51And that's what pension reform is then.
06:53if Abelardo de las Priella is
06:55agreement to unblock the reform
06:58pension plan that the government has already approved and
07:00the congress of the republic for
07:02free up resources to accomplish that
07:04pension bonus we are of
07:07I agree with that, and that would be an action.
07:09which progresses in the sense that three
07:12millions of Colombians and
07:14grandparents receive those resources, good
07:16Senator, you're speaking to me here, Honorio
07:19Enrique gave us more guarantees but
07:21We also saw that in the first committee
07:24The first collision has already occurred and the one
07:28You were one of the main characters with Enrique
07:30Gomez, how exactly does he see that relationship?
07:33and more than the relationship, how does he see the
07:34guarantees that Enrique can offer you
07:37Gomez to you as the opposition being
07:39also the bench with the most seats
07:42They have that in that cell, I made one
07:44express request for the conduct that
07:47Mr. Enrique Gómez has had
07:49I, specifically, have been reported
07:51criminally liable for him solely for the fact of
07:53having filed a bill that
07:55It is not within the framework of his ideology in the
07:58First Constitutional Committee are going to
08:00introduce many bills that do not
08:02They agree with the thinking of
08:04Mr. Enrique Gomez and he must
08:06guarantee the process or you will file a complaint
08:09criminally all those who reside
08:10bills that do not correspond to
08:12his vision and political project and
08:14We expressly request the guarantees
08:16and also the acceptance of the law
08:19fifth, which is the one that governs the
08:20functioning of the congress of the
08:22republic, given that he himself tried
08:24mocking her by asking to be done
08:26intervention as opposition without having
08:28been possessed at the time of the
08:31possession of the congress of the republic
08:32precisely on that August 7th, you didn't
08:34They attend where you will be, I understand.
08:36There will be three events
08:38game, but where will we see you?
08:41In my case, I will be in the
08:44Capitol, the Capitol is the stage
08:47regional representation of
08:50the representation of history
08:52Republican of Colombia, that's where the
08:54The Colombian people took possession of us there
08:57where I fulfill my duty and from the
08:59We'll be at the Capitol on August 7th
09:01since we are talking precisely about
09:04Capitol building as such the
09:08from the president's team
09:10It has been said that the esprilla fits
09:12possibility that governance will begin
09:15more through decrees repealing
09:18some of those who showed up
09:20during the administration of
09:22President Petro presenting others such as
09:25that scenario in which, well, the
09:27administration may be going through if
09:30He wants to put the place a little aside.
09:32Capitol beyond that it has to
09:34to present certain important projects
09:36as a health reform the plan
09:38national development, among others
09:41well the burning of the sprig can
09:42to make a set of proposals what
09:44cannot override the law
09:46political constitution several of its
09:48proposals that I do not agree with
09:49agreements must go through Congress
09:51to say that the republic is going to close
09:54state institutions such as
09:55superintendence implies a
09:57constitutional reform that cannot
09:59to do by decree, to say that it will
10:01fire 700,000 public employees
10:03from several institutions that he will be
10:05Eliminating it implies a reform
10:07constitutional that we will be
10:09Against it, of course, but what I don't
10:11It may be acceptable that they are not
10:13saying they are preparing more than 80
10:15decrees on matters that have
10:17that go through the congress of the
10:18republic in matters of health, then
10:21I've been hearing that they're going to
10:23Investing 10 trillion pesos, that's
10:25what is called in the Duke's government
10:26the final settlement agreement where
10:29It indebted the country in order to continue
10:31giving money to the EPS and the
10:33The crisis continued; what we want to know
10:35That's where those resources will come from.
10:37because they cannot discretionally
10:39earmarked resources
10:41use them to follow the
10:43delivering to the EPSs that also
10:45They have very serious accusations of looting.
10:48diversion of billions of dollars' worth of resources
10:50health complaints that report rest
10:52in the Attorney General's Office and
10:54in the comptroller general of the
10:55republic speaking precisely that
10:58getting into the subject of the
11:01health reform is needed now
11:03So much has been said in the government of
11:05President Petro, as in the new
11:08Abelard's administration
11:09esprilla, like what is the reading that
11:12You are a senator from Ana María.
11:14Vega as the new minister in that
11:16portfolio as we have expressed Anamaría
11:19Vega has a conflict of interest
11:21enormous with the position of the ministry of
11:22health and social protection because she
11:24comes from semi to semi represents the
11:26several private CPs today
11:29accused of alleged corruption
11:31trillions of pesos by the
11:33comptroller's office, which they have not
11:35answered but also from semi
11:37She constantly rebuked him
11:39national government because the
11:41health resources were insufficient
11:43without ever having checked or
11:45proven with data that it was
11:47insufficient resources that the
11:49national government delivers to the cps
11:51but the data points to one
11:53alleged billion-dollar embezzlement that
11:55Today, therefore, she enjoys impunity.
11:57Mrs. Anamaria will have to
11:59declare ineligible to take the position
12:01decisions on many issues because
12:03He also belonged to the chamber
12:05from the representation of the industry
12:08pharmaceutical and she has to act
12:11in accordance with the law and the
12:13standard in the declaration of
12:14impediments to much taking of
12:16decisions like what that will be like
12:19discussion if we already saw that in these
12:20four years was a tense and intense
12:24debate surrounding the reform to the
12:26health and that finally, well, to
12:28two of his government's ships sank
12:29How do you view initiatives like these?
12:32precisely that topic in these four
12:34years even in the short term
12:36considering that it is a crisis
12:37immediate and thinking about that, what is it
12:40a crisis that must be resolved
12:42immediate way to resolve the
12:44medium-sized structural problem and
12:45long-term development is only possible with a
12:48health reform, Dr. Anamaria
12:50He has made many pronouncements
12:52many pronouncements that already
12:54They undermine fairness in the face of this
12:56discussion that will have to be addressed
12:58Congress of the Republic in the short
13:00They're talking about injecting it into the future.
13:02system 10 trillion pesos the
13:04The question is, where do those 10 come from?
13:05trillions of pesos are going to make a
13:07tax reform, what will it be like?
13:09control in terms of transparency
13:11if those 10 trillion pesos
13:13They are going to deliver to the same
13:14organizations that it represents
13:16Dr. Vesga, denounced today by
13:17corruption regarding the management of
13:19public health resources are
13:21questions that aren't clear to me but
13:23also in a document in which she
13:25She co-authored proposals for the
13:28What the health sector is promoting
13:30then it is to reduce the plan of
13:32The benefits of this are reducing
13:34set of health services that are
13:36lends to citizens with a charge
13:38to the upesa and with the support of the
13:39public funds, this is unacceptable
13:41because this goes against the patients
13:43in addition to increasing co-payments and
13:46co-payments, which is what they pay
13:48patients for care is
13:50state it clearly here in a document
13:52where she is a co-author, it affects
13:54The patients do not tighten the
13:56Health insurance companies denounced for the issue of
13:58corruption, but the burden of
13:59The crisis is affecting the workers and
14:01patients in Colombia and this
14:03We're going to debate it, and we're not going to...
14:05I accept, senator, but then there I am
14:08The uncertainty remains how
14:11to solve people's problems in a way
14:12immediate because we have already seen us
14:15They are delivering the medications.
14:17even she herself has said
14:19the superintendency also provides attention
14:21The way to address that has become more precarious.
14:23immediate situation because in the end
14:25beyond the political discussion and
14:27This technique is necessary because people
14:29It's moving, we've done
14:31various proposals we in the
14:34Gustavo's first year in office
14:35Petro, we implemented the system of
14:37requests, complaints and claims of the
14:39health superintendency that also
14:41It is a point of the reform, but it is
14:42implemented in that first year where
14:45They resolved patient complaints
14:47between 24 and 72 hours or under penalty of the
14:49EPS had to return the money and
14:52be prosecuted by the relevant bodies
14:53Control was a task that was carried out in advance
14:56during our first year in government
14:57Because obviously the money is there
15:00But we don't understand why when it
15:02hand over the money then
15:04medicines appear to be hoarded or
15:06They appear on commercial channels
15:08but on the institutional channel of
15:09The system isn't there; there has to be
15:11a coordinated action of the
15:13regulatory bodies that require
15:14all actors in the system to give
15:17compliance and I believe that it has
15:19to recover that action that
15:21We started with the superintendence in
15:22I ask him about it during the first year and a half.
15:25To wrap things up, there was a lot of talk about
15:27chuchuchú if that chuchuchú existed
15:30as the opposition mentioned in
15:32In recent years, the chuchuchú has become a
15:35The mechanism of Law 100 is Law 100
15:38It has to do with the fact that at the beginning
15:40We had around 130 EPS right now
15:43We have fewer than 30 EPSs.
15:47been liquidating for three decades and
15:51involving more than 100 EPSs, that is
15:54Chuchuchú means law 100 of
15:56the governments of saints of the Duke of
15:58Uribe, which is precisely what the
16:01health reform wanted to stop no
16:04can we continue with a health system
16:06intervened that has been going on for decades
16:07intervened with a health system
16:09where EPSs are liquidated that leave in
16:11Debts to drug lenders, that's not it
16:16can continue and that's what
16:18halted the reform that in a
16:20irresponsible was sunk without
16:22discussion in the seventh committee of
16:24Senate, and that without arguments and without
16:26The lady vehemently opposed the data.
16:29Minister-designate Ana María Vesca
16:31Well, Senator, the last thing we've already done is
16:34spoken of certain reforms the of
16:37You also mentioned decentralization
16:41risk management that others
16:43flags we're going to see and in this case
16:45I ask you, then, from a position of authority.
16:47Carolina Corcho in these us
16:49Let's work first we have
16:52requested a control debate
16:53political regarding the electoral issue of
16:56There needs to be transparency in the country.
16:58the electoral authorities and
17:00the country has the right to know
17:02all the results or what will
17:05to propose the registry and the
17:06national electoral council in front of
17:08allegations of software opacity
17:10and everything that happened in the last
17:11elections there is a council ruling
17:13state that declared the fraud against the
17:15match look at the year 2017 where he
17:18They ordered the registrar's office to...
17:20election counting software
17:22It had to be of a public nature
17:24We've been at it for nine years and still the
17:27The registrar's office maintains the privatization of
17:29software of an electoral process that
17:30is fundamental to democracy
17:32This country, of course, too
17:34We will exercise due political oversight.
17:35about health because those who generated
17:38the crisis of more than a decade ago are
17:40those who tell us today, then,
17:42We are the ones who are going to solve the problem
17:44And if they have to assume it then the
17:47crisis that more than a decade ago
17:49generated the system
17:51Well, Senator, thank you very much.
17:53Before closing, if you want to leave a
17:55Last message, then, here it is
17:58We want to make an appeal to
18:00national agreement to a national agreement
18:03around the allocation of land to
18:05peasantry so that a
18:07agroindustry a national agreement for
18:10maintain free education
18:11superior of Colombia that has health
18:14as a right and not as a business for
18:16that the death march ends and
18:17the denial of medication for the
18:19access to education for boys and girls
18:22We insist on that national agreement and
18:24We are fully prepared for dialogue.
18:26and agreement, but also so that
18:28there is a right to peaceful protest
18:31we cannot continue to accept the
18:33There have been intimidation attacks
18:36against members of the movement
18:37social and the historical pact in the
18:39Cauca Valley, which are
18:41unacceptable and we call on society
18:43Colombian and the next government to that
18:45Stop this and take all necessary measures
18:48For the protection of life we can
18:50discuss our differences
18:52We cannot peacefully carry it out
18:54country to a situation of violence and not
18:56guarantees to the rights of the opposition
18:58social and political good senator
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