00:00there's kind of a rivalry for darren's affections between gwayne and ormond how they both have
00:04different ideas of what darren should aspire to be and yes he means to put you on the throne
00:09apparently only as he can sit on it himself he would trust me forward and devour me from within
00:16until there's nothing left so tell him you won't do it then it will protect me then how does ormond
00:22see gwayne and his role in the whole family picture in a way you don't really get to see
00:28ormond in in ormond's true authentic self until you see him interacting with gwayne i think well
00:34actually both of them in a way i think that in a way gwayne is the one who brings out
00:40the most
00:40authentic versions of both of them you know he's he's darren's uncle there is a truth and authenticity
00:45to that conversation that relationship where where you see how disingenuous and how much of a sort of
00:51performance they're on is putting on with ormond but similarly with ormond their history is is you
00:57know freddie and the reason i laughed is because freddie and i are old friends and we had a lot
01:02of fun and it was really it was it was important as well as fun but it was also fun
01:06um imagining
01:08ormond and gwayne as kids and and what went on what went down and i think like a lot went
01:13down i don't
01:14know we nodded to sort of a very complicated history i don't know how to just we we nodded to
01:19it in a couple
01:20of moments yes there is a rivalry in in their respective relationships with darren but but equally
01:25gwayne's relationship with ormond is in itself a very complex rich place to del so it allowed me a
01:34way into my history to imagine where where they interacted
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