00:01How did you get connected with the Mob Wively?
00:03Okay, so first of all, I mean, as I came out of prison, Rene got in contact with me because
00:09of my story and what you would just, you prefaced it with not telling anything, not saying anything,
00:15doing a long prison sentence, so that's how we made the connection.
00:18But you have to remember, I was in prison with a bunch of New York guys, right?
00:22So Joe Ferragamo was Carla's boyfriend, I was in Fort Dix with him, right?
00:27I lived with Lee Devonzo, who was Drita Devonzo's husband, right?
00:36I lived with him, he was my cellmate for like a year, and when the show had a big thing
00:41about Drita going to visit Lee and McKean, that was my bunkie at the time, and I remember
00:46all that, so we used to get the TV, want to watch the show, we would like commandeer the
00:52TV, make sure we were watching it, because number one, Lee's wife was on it, plus everybody
00:57was intrigued by it, and everybody would tell you, oh, we don't, you know, do that, watch
01:01that, because, you know, there was kind of a break from, you know, all the guys from New
01:06York that were serious guys, were like, oh, it's all garbage, you know, we don't advocate
01:10that, you know, but really behind the scenes, guys were like, yo, can you get my daughter
01:14on the show, can you, you know, so there was, you know, it's just how like reality kind
01:19of met reality television, so I seen that firsthand, so I have a like, a serious connection with
01:25the show, because of where I was, how I got there, and how I met Renee outside of prison.
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