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00:07Olá e bem-vindo a The Ring,
00:11Euronews's weekly debate show
00:12broadcast this week
00:14from the European Parliament
00:15here in Strasbourg.
00:17I'm your host, Maret Gwynn.
00:19Every week,
00:20two members of the European Parliament
00:22step into the ring
00:23to debate some of the most pressing issues
00:26facing the European Union.
00:27This week, we're putting the spotlight
00:30once again on European farmers
00:32and asking whether their discontent
00:35risks flaring up once again.
00:38Luis Albertos has more.
00:40For two years,
00:42farmers' anger has been spilling
00:44onto European streets.
00:45Their grievances,
00:47high operational costs,
00:48stringent environmental rules
00:50and fierce foreign competition.
00:53Under pressure,
00:54Brussels made major concessions,
00:56relaxing green farming obligations,
00:58ditching plant pesticide cuts
01:00and providing financial relief.
01:02But can farmers continue to count
01:03on political protection?
01:07European governments are now battling
01:09to protect the EU's flagship agricultural funds,
01:11known as the Common Agricultural Policy,
01:14from the proposed budget cuts
01:15of European Commission Chief
01:16Ursula von der Leyen.
01:19Skyrocketing fertilizer costs
01:21due to the Hormuz trade disruptions,
01:23a raft of free trade deals
01:24and persistent heatwaves
01:26are also adding fuel to fire.
01:29Can Europe continue to put farmers
01:31at the center of their political agenda?
01:33Or will competing demands
01:35from defense spending to enlargement
01:37force the EU to make difficult choices?
01:42Plenty there for our contenders
01:44to get their teeth into.
01:46Let's meet them.
01:48Kieran Muloli,
01:49an Irish MEP
01:50from the Liberal Renew Europe Group.
01:52He's a vice chair
01:53of the Special Committee on Housing
01:54and a member of the Committees
01:55on Regional Development
01:56and Agriculture
01:57and Rural Development.
01:58Before becoming an MEP,
02:00he worked as a journalist
02:01for over three decades.
02:02Regarding the EU long-term budget,
02:04he said,
02:05the Common Agricultural Policy
02:06must have a dedicated
02:07and robust budget
02:08of 433 billion euros
02:10at least at current prices.
02:12CAP cannot be treated
02:13as a leftover
02:13or absorbed
02:14into national envelopes.
02:17Taka Toveri,
02:18a Finnish MEP
02:18from the Central-Right
02:19European People's Party.
02:21A retired general
02:22of the Finnish Defense Forces,
02:23he serves in the Committees
02:24on Security and Defense
02:25and Agriculture
02:26and Rural Development.
02:27He says,
02:28the next MFF
02:29is requiring difficult choices.
02:31As more resources
02:32are needed
02:32towards new priorities
02:33such as security
02:34and defense,
02:35the next CAP
02:36needs to make
02:36every euro count
02:37by providing effective,
02:39well-targeted support
02:40for our farmers
02:41and strengthening
02:41Europe's food security.
02:45Kieran Maloli
02:46and Pekki Toveri,
02:47welcome.
02:48Thank you so much
02:48for being with us.
02:49Great to have you.
02:50Very, very relevant topic.
02:52Farmers back
02:53in the political spotlight.
02:55Let me start
02:55with you,
02:56Kieran Maloli.
02:57Tough negotiations
02:59happening now
02:59on the EU's
03:00next long-term budget.
03:02Will farmers'
03:04subsidies
03:04be protected?
03:06I hope they will.
03:07I think that's
03:08the first issue
03:08and I think Nek
03:09will probably agree
03:10with me
03:10that we need
03:11to put food security
03:12very high on our agenda.
03:13I get a sense already
03:14as the Irish presidency
03:15starts
03:16that there is
03:17an agreement
03:17across the board
03:18among the member states
03:19that food security
03:20is still very important.
03:21So I really hope
03:22they will.
03:23It will be a question
03:23of how we balance
03:24the books on this issue.
03:25Where will the deficit
03:26come from?
03:27Because farmers
03:27cannot cope
03:28with a loss
03:29of 20-24%
03:30in their subsidies.
03:31Yet the EU
03:33is facing
03:33multiple challenges.
03:35You come from
03:35Finland,
03:36Mr. Toveri,
03:37sharing the longest
03:38land border
03:39in the EU
03:40with Russia.
03:41We know about
03:41the defense
03:42and security threats.
03:43We know about
03:44the budget
03:45needed to fund
03:46those defense needs.
03:47Is it inevitable
03:48now that farmers
03:50may face cuts
03:51as the EU
03:52tries to address
03:52this threat?
03:53Well,
03:54first of all,
03:54I have to say
03:54that I'm coming
03:55from Finland
03:55which 1866-68
03:57was one of the last
03:59Western European countries
04:00with big famine.
04:008% of the population
04:02died because of famine.
04:03So we understand
04:04about future security
04:05and the importance
04:05of agriculture.
04:07But on the other hand,
04:08we also know
04:09the threat of Russia
04:10and which is not only
04:12the eastern border
04:12countries but the
04:13whole Europe.
04:14And therefore,
04:15we need to be stronger
04:16in security and defense
04:17and that means
04:18everybody have to
04:18bid in also agriculture.
04:20And it's most important
04:21thing is not how much
04:22you throw in money
04:23but how you use the money.
04:25You mentioned
04:26that member states
04:27seem intent
04:28on protecting farmers
04:29but the commission chief
04:30Ursula von der Leyen
04:31did propose a major cut.
04:33So does she really
04:34have farmers' interests
04:36at heart,
04:36would you say?
04:37Well,
04:37I think the difficulty
04:38is not just the cap program
04:40but it's the policy
04:41of trade deals
04:42which Ursula von der Leyen
04:43has also pursued
04:44in Europe.
04:45You will know
04:46I'm bitterly opposed
04:47to the Mercosur trade deal.
04:48Not of where it is now
04:49because I think
04:50we're getting control
04:51on their standards
04:52but where it could go
04:53in terms of replacing
04:54Irish farmers
04:55and French farmers
04:56and Finnish farmers
04:56for that matter
04:57in the markets
04:58going down the line.
04:58So it's a combination
04:59really of what I believe
05:01is an excessive rush
05:02to sign up trade deals
05:03alongside the cap package
05:05at the moment.
05:06But let's be straight
05:06about this.
05:07If it goes ahead
05:07there are significant
05:08implications.
05:09If you look at the
05:10actual cut that's proposed
05:11at the moment
05:12in terms of
05:13what it would do
05:14it would reduce
05:15effectively the livestock
05:16herd in Europe.
05:17We've looked at the figures
05:18that Juerlstad have given us
05:19over the last
05:19number of days.
05:20Based on the present
05:21MFF budget projection
05:23we could be looking
05:24at a loss
05:25in the region
05:25of millions
05:26of cattle
05:27going down the line
05:28and when you look
05:29at each country
05:30including Finland
05:31there is an important
05:32issue here.
05:32Food production
05:33is surely
05:34our first priority.
05:35If we have
05:35a 24% cut
05:36it could take
05:38the food
05:38literally
05:39out of 23 million
05:40people's mouth
05:41over the course
05:42of seven years.
05:43Now nobody wants that.
05:44Indeed.
05:44I want to pick up
05:45on what you said
05:46about the Mercosur
05:47free trade deal.
05:48We know that
05:49your party
05:50the EPP
05:50has been championing
05:51this agenda
05:52of striking
05:53various trade deals
05:54with different
05:54parts of the world
05:55but is it an
05:56existential threat
05:57now to farmers
05:58would you say?
05:59I don't agree.
06:00You have to remember
06:01I'm true to my
06:02background
06:03I'm a big picture guy.
06:05Farming is very
06:06important for Europe
06:06but from EU's
06:08economy
06:08it's 1.2%.
06:10Still we use
06:11about 30%
06:11of our budget
06:12to support farming.
06:13Where that money comes?
06:14It comes from
06:15the 98.8%
06:16of other trade
06:17and industry
06:18which is providing
06:19that money.
06:20Mercosur was 94%
06:21of anything else
06:22but agriculture
06:24only 6%
06:24was agriculture
06:25and it also
06:26opened markets
06:26for European agriculture
06:28to South America
06:29so I think
06:30that we need
06:30this kind of deals
06:31because we are
06:32challenged by
06:32not only by
06:33Russia and China
06:33but the United States
06:34too.
06:35So the pros
06:36of Mercosur
06:36outweighs the cons
06:37Toveri says.
06:39I think the main issue
06:39with Irish farmers
06:40and indeed Finnish farmers
06:41hybrid Mercosur
06:41was the lack
06:42of equivalence.
06:43We're looking
06:44at two member states
06:44producing food
06:45on a different system
06:47in Brazil
06:48without the standards
06:49without the testing
06:50without the audits.
06:51We found that out.
06:52That's why they're
06:52no longer on the
06:53safe food list
06:54in Europe
06:54at the moment.
06:56I want to pick up
06:57on how this debate
06:59has become
06:59so politicized.
07:01Would you say
07:02that this debate
07:02has become
07:03too politicized
07:04and that we're
07:04losing sight
07:06of the real
07:07concrete concerns
07:08of farmers on the ground
07:09including in Finland?
07:10Well, we saw
07:11what happened
07:11in the Mercosur
07:12voting in EPP
07:13or all the
07:14French and
07:15Polish maps
07:16voted against it.
07:18All the French maps
07:19in all the parties
07:20voted against it
07:21even though
07:21all the studies
07:22show that Mercosur
07:23is good for
07:24the economy of France.
07:25Why?
07:25Because there's
07:26elections coming
07:27and nobody wants
07:28to give any room
07:29for any populist party
07:30bringing in
07:31the farmers' votes.
07:33So the strategic picture
07:35the big picture
07:35is thrown away
07:36because of
07:37narrow national
07:38political issues.
07:41A big issue here
07:41is that Europe
07:43hasn't prepared
07:43for decades
07:44properly
07:46the world
07:47we are living in.
07:47The energy prices
07:48are crazy
07:48because we are
07:49still depending
07:49on the fossil fuels
07:50the fertilizer prices
07:53are crazy
07:54because we are
07:54depending
07:55either from
07:57the dictatorships
07:58or fertilizers
07:59coming from
08:00a ground area
08:01which has always
08:02been volatile
08:03and full of crises.
08:05So we have to
08:06prepare and
08:06make sure
08:08that the whole
08:09chain
08:09food production
08:10chain
08:11is protected
08:12and the prices
08:13are adequate
08:14so that the farmers
08:15can make a living
08:16out of it.
08:16But when we talk
08:17about food security
08:18MEP Maloli
08:19do you think
08:20it's fair to say
08:21that European
08:22consumers
08:23might need
08:24to be prepared
08:24to pay more
08:25in order to
08:26ensure food security
08:28local produce
08:29and so on?
08:29Well I think
08:30firstly if Europe
08:31does not support
08:32the industry
08:32to the manner
08:33it should do
08:33they will
08:34have to pay more
08:35that's a fact
08:35but I think
08:36the important issue
08:36here is to remember
08:37where we've come from
08:38you know
08:38it is a cliche
08:39I know
08:39and it's often used
08:40that Europe
08:41is now going for
08:42tanks instead of
08:43tractors
08:43this is thrown out
08:44but you've got to
08:45look behind that phrase
08:46at the historic
08:47background to this
08:48when we joined
08:48the European Union
08:49back in 1973
08:50agriculture was the
08:51reason we came in
08:52it was nothing
08:53to do with defence
08:53at that point in time
08:5572% of the European
08:57budget was spent
08:57on agriculture
08:58it's now down
08:5920-25%
09:00and while I understand
09:02and there's a balance
09:02to be hit here
09:03I understand
09:04the world has changed
09:05the geopolitical events
09:06have happened
09:07and we do need to be
09:08very careful in terms
09:09of defence
09:09we play our part
09:10as peacekeepers
09:10in the world as well
09:11remember
09:12but also remember
09:13we feel
09:13the pendulum has
09:14swung too far
09:15that at the end of the day
09:16food security is important
09:18when the COVID hit
09:20farmers continued
09:21to produce
09:22when the Ukraine
09:23conflict began
09:23farmers continued
09:25to produce
09:25so why should we
09:26pick on that industry
09:27now
09:27and not just
09:28the defence budget
09:30but other budgets
09:30I'm not just picking
09:31out defence by the way
09:32I think the competitiveness
09:33budget needs to be
09:34defined a little bit more
09:35we see exactly
09:36where that's going to go
09:37before we take it
09:38away from agriculture
09:39would you agree
09:39that the EU
09:40is perhaps losing sight
09:41of its original purpose
09:43which is to serve
09:43farmers for example
09:45well
09:45as my dear colleague said
09:48we are living
09:48in a different world
09:49than it was in the 1970s
09:50and if we don't change
09:52how we operate
09:53as an EU
09:54we will lose
09:55and then nobody
09:56is happy
09:57not farmers
09:57not industrial workers
09:59not anybody
10:01so we have to
10:02make things differently
10:03and my experience
10:04from my previous life
10:06is that
10:07seeing a problem
10:08and throwing a lot
10:08of money to it
10:09normally doesn't work
10:10you have to think
10:11very carefully
10:11what you do money
10:12and the money
10:13has to be used
10:14so that you get
10:14the results
10:15what you want
10:16from that money
10:16in this case
10:17we have to secure
10:18for example
10:18young farmers
10:20because being a farmer
10:21is a dying
10:23trade in Europe
10:24and we have to
10:25stop by making
10:26it lucrative
10:27for young people
10:28to start farming
10:29so that they can
10:30be living out of it
10:31which is why
10:32we probably should
10:33invest more now
10:34in generational renewal
10:35so let's up
10:35the farming budget
10:36put in money
10:37to let farmers retire
10:38and bring in
10:39young farmers
10:40so you want to
10:41bring it down
10:41or others want
10:41to bring it down
10:42perhaps at the present
10:43von der Leyen
10:43certainly wants
10:44to bring it down
10:44so why not
10:45invest with me
10:45in generational renewal
10:46we want to use
10:48a bigger part
10:49of the cap money
10:50for young farmers
10:51because that's the reason
10:52ok I'm sure
10:53we can pick up
10:54on that issue
10:55of young farmers
10:55hopefully later
10:56in the show
10:56but let me stop you
10:58there for now
10:58I see you're
10:59getting warmed up
11:00but it's time for us
11:01to move on
11:02to the next round
11:03and to take
11:04the gloves off
11:08in this round
11:09we gave you
11:10both the opportunity
11:11to directly
11:12challenge each other
11:13I know you've come
11:14prepared with
11:15questions today
11:16so let's start
11:18with you
11:19Pekka Toveri
11:19your first question
11:21to Kieran Maloli
11:22so we both agree
11:24that Europe
11:25must do more
11:26for our farmers
11:27with growing spending
11:28needs for other
11:29priorities such as
11:30security
11:30which EU priorities
11:31would you cut
11:32to restore the cap budget
11:33or would you
11:34grow the EU
11:35membership fees
11:36yeah so straight away
11:37I think I've just
11:38touched on it
11:39competitiveness
11:39is a new budget
11:40and it's important
11:41I read the Mario Draghi
11:42report like everybody
11:43but it's 450 billion
11:45it's an awful lot
11:46of money
11:46and at the moment
11:47in my mind
11:47it's not defined
11:49clearly where it's
11:49going to go
11:50so I would look
11:51at that firstly
11:51that's the first
11:52area I would hit on
11:52remember what's
11:53happened in defence
11:54and space
11:55in that area
11:55we've gone from
11:56where we were
11:56spending just 14 billion
11:58up to where we are
11:59now over 70
12:00I mean do we need
12:01to go that far
12:02that's the question
12:02I ask
12:03is the race to space
12:04more important
12:05than the race to have
12:06food on the tables
12:07in Finland and in Ireland
12:08I don't think it is
12:09so those are the key areas
12:10I would look more
12:11closer at in terms of
12:12determining where the
12:12budget deficit would come
12:13from
12:13okay
12:14Kieran Mulally
12:15your first question
12:16to your opponent's
12:17peccatability
12:17yeah I mean I suppose
12:18you have consistently
12:19argued that Europe
12:20should invest
12:21now I respect that
12:22I also respect the work
12:22you've done as a former
12:23general and your own
12:24professional career
12:25but I suppose I would argue
12:27that when one looks
12:28around Europe
12:28and even at Finland
12:30where you know
12:31in recent years
12:32you've seen an issue
12:32of deprivation
12:33among children
12:34where up to 10%
12:35I believe of children
12:36in Finland have come
12:37up to a point
12:38where they're suffering
12:38from deprivation
12:39that's food on the table
12:40so what I would argue
12:41to you is that
12:42your domestic agenda
12:44should be seen on a par
12:45with any concerns
12:47about defence
12:48and particularly
12:49I would argue
12:49that food security
12:50is national security
12:52at the end of the day
12:52well I have to say
12:54that I agree
12:55totally
12:55you know
12:56we can
12:57in time of crisis
12:58we can live about
12:59max three days
13:00without water
13:01a couple of weeks
13:02without food
13:03without electricity
13:04much longer
13:05so yes
13:05food security
13:06is very important
13:07for our security
13:09and we have to
13:10safeguard that
13:10and again
13:12the money
13:12have to go
13:13to the right places
13:14and it's not only
13:15we have to remember
13:16that this house
13:16is for legislation
13:17you don't always
13:18have to throw money
13:20on the problems
13:20you can also make
13:21legislation
13:22to improve
13:22the condition
13:23of the farming
13:25and make it easier
13:26less bureaucracy
13:27less restrictions
13:28for the farmers
13:30so that they can
13:30concentrate
13:31what they are
13:31doing the best
13:32bringing food to table
13:33your second question
13:35now to MEP
13:35Kieran Maloldi
13:36so the real crisis
13:37is not only funding
13:38it is that young people
13:40are living farming
13:40as we discussed already
13:41if you had to choose
13:43would you prioritize
13:44supporting existing farms
13:45or bringing new generation
13:46into agriculture
13:48a very good question
13:49and I think we've touched
13:50on it already
13:50in this debate
13:51they are equally important
13:53but as we look at
13:53the average age
13:54across Europe
13:54we have a major problem
13:55on the upper end
13:56so we have farmers
13:57up at 57, 58 years of age
13:59the average in Europe
14:00at the moment
14:01it's far too high
14:02the industry
14:03ultimately is doomed
14:04so my first priority
14:06would be to deal
14:06with that issue
14:07with strong investment
14:09supports
14:10firstly
14:11to let farmers
14:12get out
14:12so a package
14:12a retirement package
14:13for farmers to lead
14:14that would be my first priority
14:16and then secondly
14:17a package
14:17particularly in Ireland
14:18where we have a lot
14:18of young farmers
14:19coming in
14:19who need to get
14:20investment for new machinery
14:21to buy land
14:22to get a first step
14:23on the ladder
14:24we've traditionally
14:24had a problem
14:25in land being handed over
14:27to the next generation
14:28but I think
14:28if the funding
14:29is available
14:30and Commissioner
14:31Christophe
14:32says on a regular basis
14:34that he is going to
14:36prioritize it
14:36I would like
14:37to see investment
14:38in that generation
14:39going right up
14:40to 10%
14:41in the next package
14:41Ok
14:42Kieran Mulally
14:43your final question
14:44Yeah I suppose
14:46in general
14:46Europe has managed
14:48to increase
14:48the defence expenditure
14:49dramatically
14:50so I can understand
14:51and I can understand
14:52why
14:52I'm not blind
14:53to what's going on
14:54in Europe
14:54but why can't
14:55Europe also maintain
14:56I think
14:56a properly funded
14:57common agricultural policy
14:58at the end of the day
15:00in other words
15:00do you think
15:01Pekka
15:02within say
15:02the council of ministers
15:03when the ministers meet
15:04is it a lack
15:05of understanding
15:06of agriculture
15:06or is it perhaps
15:08a lack of a will
15:09to contribute
15:12to farming
15:13ahead
15:14as I say
15:15of pressing
15:16defence issues
15:16at the moment
15:17Well I think
15:18that the big challenge
15:19is that
15:20we are working
15:21too much
15:21on the silos
15:22that we don't look
15:23at this
15:24as a broad problem
15:25as it is
15:26farming is much more
15:27than just cap
15:29we have to
15:30we have to
15:31take care
15:32of the regulation
15:33and other actions
15:34so that
15:35as I mentioned before
15:36that we have
15:37affordable energy
15:37for farmers
15:38we have
15:39affordable
15:40fertilizers
15:41for the farmers
15:42etc
15:44and when we look
15:45at the defence
15:46well the fact
15:46is that
15:47the major burden
15:49on the defence
15:50is on the member states
15:51of course
15:51they are paying
15:52the biggest bill
15:54but again
15:55it would be good
15:56to have a proper
15:57analysis
15:58and wide view
16:00on
16:00so that we do
16:01this strategically
16:03you know
16:03creating
16:05environment
16:05for farming
16:06in 10 years
16:07time
16:07in 20 years
16:08time
16:08is also
16:08also
16:09functioning
16:09and the same
16:10when we are
16:10building our
16:10defence capabilities
16:11same thing
16:12if you don't
16:13have a good plan
16:14how are you
16:15going to use
16:15the money
16:15and it's the same
16:17in the defence
16:17industry
16:17there's a lot
16:18of things
16:18we can do
16:19without throwing
16:19money
16:20in the
16:20defence industry
16:21by just
16:22taking down
16:23the regulations
16:25and our
16:26legislative
16:27restrictions
16:28we have
16:28and there
16:29the biggest
16:29problem
16:30is the
16:30member states
16:31because
16:31again
16:32the narrow
16:33national
16:34political
16:34interests
16:35come to
16:35play
16:36and there's
16:36always
16:37somebody
16:37out of
16:3827
16:38who
16:38said
16:38well
16:39we
16:39can't
16:39allow
16:39this
16:40legislation
16:40to
16:41change
16:41because
16:42they're
16:43national
16:43interests
16:43would you
16:44agree
16:44with Donald
16:45Tusk
16:45who was asked
16:46about this
16:46question
16:46he said
16:47it's always
16:47the big
16:48countries
16:48or the
16:49scrooges
16:49when this
16:50happens
16:50they want
16:51to go
16:51back
16:51and raid
16:51the
16:52European
16:52budget
16:52and shrink
16:53it
16:53instead
16:53of dealing
16:54with their
16:54responsibilities
16:55as the
16:55larger
16:55member states
16:56well
16:57yes
16:58I agree
16:59coming from
17:00a small
17:00country
17:01I can see
17:01that we
17:02see the
17:02big picture
17:03in Finland
17:03much better
17:04than Germans
17:05or friends
17:05have
17:05we've heard
17:06plenty
17:07from our
17:07two contenders
17:08now
17:08but it's time
17:09to bring in
17:10a new
17:10voice
17:15I'd like
17:15to pivot
17:16now
17:16to consider
17:17the impact
17:17of climate
17:18change
17:18on European
17:19farming
17:20communities
17:20and bring
17:21in
17:21Teresa
17:22Ribeira
17:22the European
17:23Commission
17:23Vice President
17:24for a clean
17:25just
17:25and competitive
17:26transition
17:27in an interview
17:28with the
17:28Guardian
17:29last week
17:29she was
17:30asked about
17:30the recent
17:31heatwaves
17:31that have
17:31struck
17:32many parts
17:32of Europe
17:32of course
17:33she said
17:34I'm tired
17:35of hearing
17:36people don't
17:37back the
17:37green deal
17:38anymore
17:38it's not
17:39true
17:39people prefer
17:40to ensure
17:41fresh water
17:42that is not
17:43polluted
17:43breathe clean
17:44air
17:44or count
17:45on a
17:45healthy
17:46ecosystem
17:47than having
17:48polluted
17:48water
17:49or no
17:50capacity
17:50to ensure
17:51crops
17:51and harvests
17:52there is still
17:53this fierce
17:54fight
17:55against facts
17:56science
17:56preparedness
17:57and investment
17:58we need
17:59to reject
17:59this kind
18:00of BS
18:00she said
18:01based on
18:02lies
18:02and against
18:03people's
18:03interests
18:04is she
18:05right
18:06has the
18:06green deal
18:06now been
18:07demonized
18:08and I will
18:08press you
18:09here
18:09have farmers
18:09played a role
18:10in that
18:10I think
18:11farmers
18:11have played
18:12a key role
18:12in this
18:12I totally
18:13reject what
18:13the commissioner
18:14says by the way
18:14the facts are
18:15that farmers
18:16have been the
18:17custodians of
18:18the environment
18:18for generations
18:19I mean if you
18:20just deal with
18:21this in terms
18:21of common sense
18:22what the commissioner
18:22says in terms
18:23of water quality
18:24it's not in the
18:25interest of a
18:25farmer to have
18:26polluted water
18:27in the river
18:27at the end
18:28of his farm
18:28thereby causing
18:29a threat to
18:30his own animals
18:30it threatens
18:31his own industry
18:32and for generations
18:33my family and
18:34others have
18:34defended the
18:35environment
18:35we've played
18:36our part in
18:36the environmental
18:37schemes
18:37the issue
18:38for us is that
18:39when we're
18:39spending more
18:40on the
18:40environmental
18:40schemes
18:41than we're
18:41spending
18:41on basic
18:42food production
18:43and generational
18:43renewal
18:44that's when
18:44it becomes
18:44a problem
18:45would you
18:46agree
18:46have farmers
18:47been targeted
18:48too much
18:48in this debate
18:49around the
18:49green deal
18:50yeah I do
18:51agree
18:52I do agree
18:52you know
18:53at least in
18:53Finland
18:54where the
18:55farm
18:56sizes are
18:57much smaller
18:57than in
18:58central Europe
18:58for example
18:59you know
19:00they have lived
19:01there for
19:01centuries
19:02they know
19:02the nature
19:03Finns love
19:03the nature
19:04they want to
19:04predict
19:05they don't want
19:05to destroy
19:06anything
19:07just for
19:07farming
19:08and
19:10we have a lot
19:11of problems
19:12and we have to
19:12remember that
19:13one size
19:13doesn't fit
19:14all
19:14you know
19:15when you look
19:15at the
19:15solution
19:16because Finland
19:16is an arctic
19:17country
19:17totally different
19:18place to
19:19farming than
19:19in southern
19:20Spain for
19:21example
19:21and we have
19:22a lot of
19:23areas where
19:23you have
19:24two centimeters
19:25of product
19:26with soil
19:26left
19:27because the
19:28quality of the
19:28farmland
19:29has gone down
19:30so we have to
19:31look at the
19:32science to find
19:32the solution
19:33and one
19:34solution
19:34in my
19:35opinion
19:35is not
19:36to go
19:36these
19:37big
19:37giant
19:38industrial
19:38farms
19:39with thousands
19:39of hectares
19:40because those
19:40companies
19:41don't care
19:41so much
19:42about the
19:42environment
19:42interesting
19:43point of
19:43agreement
19:44there
19:44but it's
19:46time now
19:46for me
19:46to take
19:47us
19:48to a
19:48break
19:49here
19:49on the
19:49ring
19:50but we'll
19:50be back
19:51with more
19:51after this
19:52stay with
19:52us
20:01welcome
20:01back to
20:02the ring
20:03euronews
20:03weekly
20:04debate
20:04show
20:05i'm
20:05and i'm
20:06joined
20:06today by
20:07kieran
20:07miloli
20:08from the
20:08centrist
20:08for new
20:09europe
20:09group
20:09and
20:10pekatoveri
20:10from the
20:11european
20:11people's
20:12party
20:12today
20:13our
20:13topic
20:14is
20:14european
20:15farmers
20:15and the
20:15multiple
20:16challenges
20:16they face
20:17now
20:18there is
20:18increasing
20:19political
20:20momentum
20:20now
20:20behind
20:21efforts
20:21to
20:22accept
20:22new
20:22members
20:22into
20:23the
20:23european
20:23union
20:24but
20:24what
20:25impact
20:25would
20:25this
20:26have
20:26on
20:26farming
20:27subsidies
20:27well
20:28there are
20:28a few
20:29theories
20:29about
20:29how
20:30the
20:30EU's
20:30common
20:31agricultural
20:31policy
20:32could
20:33adapt
20:33to
20:33accommodate
20:34new
20:34members
20:34such
20:35as
20:35ukraine
20:35let's
20:36take
20:36a
20:36closer
20:37look
20:37at
20:37some
20:37of
20:37them
20:38so
20:38these
20:39are
20:39three
20:39theories
20:40floating
20:40around
20:41the
20:41first
20:41is
20:41that
20:41we
20:42could
20:42have
20:42an
20:42increased
20:43budget
20:43for
20:43farmers
20:44costing
20:44the
20:44EU
20:45between
20:457.6
20:46and
20:4713.4
20:48billion
20:48euros
20:48more
20:49per
20:49year
20:50secondly
20:51we
20:51could
20:51see
20:51the
20:51eligibility
20:52criteria
20:53tightening
20:53a bit
20:54meaning
20:54some
20:54farmers
20:55notably
20:56in
20:56western
20:57Europe
20:57could
20:58see
20:58cuts
20:58to
20:59the
20:59current
20:59levels
20:59of
21:00subsidies
21:00they
21:00receive
21:01and
21:01third
21:02a
21:02potential
21:03reduce
21:04per
21:04hectare
21:05payment
21:05meaning
21:06all
21:06farmers
21:07receiving
21:07equally
21:08less
21:08but
21:09which
21:09could
21:09hit
21:10heavily
21:10dependent
21:11Baltic
21:12and
21:12eastern
21:12European
21:13states
21:14hardest
21:14so
21:15a
21:15very
21:16sensitive
21:16and
21:17political
21:17debate
21:18here
21:18but
21:18first
21:19you
21:19Kieran
21:19Mullaly
21:20Ukraine
21:21joining
21:22the EU
21:23is this
21:23good
21:23or
21:23bad
21:24news
21:24for
21:24farmers
21:24well
21:25let me
21:25say
21:25firstly
21:26I
21:26represent
21:26the
21:26farmers
21:27in
21:27Ireland
21:27so
21:28I'm
21:28opposed
21:28full
21:29stop
21:29to
21:29reduction
21:30in
21:30our
21:31subsidies
21:31or
21:31in
21:31our
21:31single
21:32farm
21:32payments
21:32that
21:33doesn't
21:33mean
21:33I
21:33don't
21:33understand
21:34the
21:34invitation
21:35to
21:36Ukraine
21:36to
21:36come
21:36on
21:36board
21:37that
21:37doesn't
21:38mean
21:42in
21:43a
21:45new
21:45year
21:49so
21:50clearly
21:50the
21:50first
21:50option
21:51is
21:51going
21:51to
21:51have
21:51to
21:51come
21:51into
21:51play
21:52they're
21:52going
21:52to
21:53have
21:53to
21:53look
21:53at
21:53the
21:53budget
21:53the
21:54Irish
21:54presidency
21:54has
21:55already
21:55discussed
21:55this
21:58we've
21:58got
21:58to
21:58start
21:58now
21:59I
21:59think
21:59we're
21:59some
22:00distance
22:00away
22:01from
22:01Ukraine
22:01actually
22:02coming
22:02to
22:02that
22:02point
22:03if
22:03it
22:03happens
22:03they
22:03have
22:04a
22:04lot
22:04of
22:04issues
22:04to
22:04resolve
22:05in
22:05their
22:05own
22:05country
22:06aside
22:06from
22:06the
22:06Russian
22:07conflict
22:07but
22:08clearly
22:12of
22:12subsidies
22:13for
22:13farmers
22:13in
22:13Western
22:13Europe
22:14but
22:14yet
22:14we've
22:14just
22:15discussed
22:15about
22:15how
22:16it's
22:16very
22:16difficult
22:17now
22:17to
22:17increase
22:18any
22:18budget
22:18because
22:19money
22:19is
22:19scarce
22:20but
22:20what
22:21about
22:21this
22:21idea
22:22of
22:23Ukraine
22:23potentially
22:24joining
22:24as a
22:25member
22:25but
22:26as a
22:26first
22:26stage
22:27not
22:27getting
22:27access
22:28to
22:28any
22:28cap
22:28funding
22:29to
22:29any
22:29farm
22:30subsidies
22:30would
22:30that
22:31be
22:31fair
22:31for
22:31Ukraine
22:32I
22:32don't
22:33think
22:33it's
22:33fair
22:33but
22:33on
22:33the
22:34other
22:34hand
22:34we
22:34have
22:34to
22:34see
22:42for
22:42it
22:42I
22:43I'm
22:43the
22:43chair
22:43of
22:43the
22:44Ukraine
22:44delegation
22:44here
22:45in
22:45the
22:45EU
22:45Parliament
22:45I
22:45have
22:45met
22:46them
22:47a lot
22:47we
22:47have
22:47discussed
22:47with
22:48the
22:48Ukrainian
22:48farmers
22:49a lot
22:49and
22:50they
22:51always
22:51remind
22:52that
22:52they
22:52don't
22:53want
22:53to
22:53be
22:54the
22:54ones
22:55who
22:55block
22:56Ukraine
22:56Ukraine's
22:57possible
22:57EU
22:57membership
22:58and
22:59they
22:59also
22:59point
23:00out
23:00that
23:00before
23:01the
23:01Russian
23:01attack
23:02over
23:0290%
23:03of
23:03Ukraine's
23:04farming
23:05production
23:06went
23:07outside
23:07Europe
23:08and
23:08they
23:08want
23:08to
23:08continue
23:09that
23:11and
23:11then
23:12when
23:12we
23:12look
23:12at
23:12the
23:12size
23:13already
23:13the
23:14cap
23:14has
23:15the
23:15suggestion
23:16for
23:16the
23:16cap
23:16has
23:17limits
23:17on
23:18the
23:19size
23:20of
23:20the
23:20farms
23:20that
23:20bigger
23:20farms
23:21don't
23:21get
23:21any
23:21support
23:22in
23:22Finland
23:23the
23:23medium
23:24farms
23:25are
23:26around
23:2680
23:26hectares
23:27in
23:27Ukraine
23:28there
23:28are
23:282,000
23:29hectares
23:29it's
23:30a totally
23:30different
23:31thing
23:31we
23:31can't
23:31use
23:32our
23:32own
23:34rules
23:34current
23:35rules
23:35on
23:36Ukraine
23:36but
23:37any
23:37solution
23:38I
23:38guess
23:39cannot
23:39discriminate
23:40against
23:41Ukrainian
23:41farmers
23:42and
23:42it
23:42means
23:42that
23:42if
23:43there's
23:43no
23:43agreement
23:44on
23:44increasing
23:44the
23:44budget
23:45then
23:45everyone
23:45could
23:46see
23:46cuts
23:47you're
23:47saying
23:47that
23:47would
23:48be
23:48untenable
23:49I
23:49think
23:49it
23:49would
23:50be
23:50untenable
23:51at such
23:51a time
23:51as we
23:52have
23:52standards
23:52in
23:53Ukraine
23:53that's
23:53the
23:53first
23:53issue
23:54more than
23:54Mercosur
23:55countries
23:55we know
23:55nothing
23:56about
23:56their
23:56production
23:56standards
23:57their
23:57auditing
23:57their
23:58testing
23:58their
23:59animal
23:59testing
23:59their
23:59animal
24:00welfare
24:00issues
24:00at the
24:01moment
24:01we
24:01certainly
24:01don't
24:02believe
24:02they're
24:02on
24:02European
24:02standards
24:03that's
24:03the
24:03first
24:03issue
24:04you've
24:04got
24:04to
24:04resolve
24:05so I
24:05believe
24:05it
24:06could
24:06be
24:06the
24:06way
24:06forward
24:07to
24:07come
24:08in
24:08without
24:08access
24:08to
24:09cap
24:09initially
24:09that
24:09certainly
24:10is
24:10an
24:10option
24:10that
24:10the
24:11Irish
24:11presidency
24:11could
24:12look at
24:12and
24:13indeed
24:13in
24:14future
24:14years
24:14but the
24:14bottom
24:14line
24:15here
24:15is
24:15going
24:15forward
24:17I
24:17voted
24:18against
24:18the
24:18Mercosur
24:18trade
24:19deal
24:19for
24:19one
24:19issue
24:19because
24:20of
24:20the
24:20scale
24:21of
24:22farming
24:22in
24:22Brazil
24:32therefore
24:32we
24:33need
24:33a
24:33different
24:33system
24:34in
24:34terms
24:34of
24:34looking
24:34at
24:35how
24:35we
24:35support
24:35them
24:36we're
24:36certainly
24:36not
24:36going
24:36to
24:37support
24:37them
24:37per
24:37hectare
24:37yet
24:39Ukraine
24:39if I
24:39may
24:40it's
24:41being
24:41framed
24:41as
24:41a
24:42geopolitical
24:42necessity
24:43to
24:43integrate
24:44them
24:44into
24:44the
24:44EU
24:44do
24:45you
24:45fear
24:45that
24:45this
24:45issue
24:46of
24:46farming
24:46could
24:47be
24:47a
24:47major
24:48stumbling
24:48buck
24:49we
24:50can't
24:50allow
24:50it
24:50to
24:50be
24:51it's
24:51a
24:51big
24:51challenge
24:52but
24:52we
24:52had
24:53a
24:53big
24:53challenge
24:53when
24:53Poland
24:54joined
24:54EU
24:55and
24:56now
24:56they
24:56have
24:56increased
24:57GDP
24:5716%
24:58they
24:59are
24:59the
24:59military
25:00power
25:00of
25:00Eastern
25:01Europe
25:01very
25:02important
25:02for
25:02our
25:03defense
25:03when
25:03you
25:03talk
25:04about
25:04Ukraine
25:05they
25:05had
25:06a
25:06good
25:06point
25:06the
25:06last
25:06time
25:07we
25:07talked
25:07with
25:07the
25:07Ukrainian
25:07farmers
25:08that
25:09if
25:10they
25:10have
25:10to
25:10go
25:11immediately
25:11to
25:11the
25:11EU
25:12standards
25:13that
25:13means
25:13150
25:14euros
25:14per
25:14hectare
25:15more
25:15production
25:15cost
25:16which
25:16means
25:16that
25:17they
25:17can't
25:17compete
25:17in
25:18the
25:18global
25:18market
25:23European
25:23farmers
25:24other
25:24solutions
25:24might
25:25be
25:25okay
25:26those
25:26companies
25:26which
25:27are
25:28importing
25:29outside
25:29exporting
25:30outside
25:31Europe
25:31maybe
25:32they
25:32can
25:32continue
25:33with
25:33non-EU
25:34standards
25:35and
25:35those
25:35who
25:36plan
25:36to
25:36import
25:37to
25:37Europe
25:37they
25:37have
25:38to
25:38follow
25:38the
25:38standards
25:39well
25:39that
25:39would
25:39suddenly
25:40be
25:40unprecedented
25:41for
25:41the
25:41EU
25:42we'll
25:42see
25:42well
25:42we
25:43have
25:43living
25:43in
25:43different
25:43times
25:44we
25:44have
25:44to
25:44find
25:44different
25:45solutions
25:45indeed
25:45indeed
25:46thank
25:47you
25:47so
25:47much
25:47it's
25:48now
25:48time
25:49for
25:49us
25:49to
25:49move
25:49on
25:50to
25:50our
25:50fifth
25:50and
25:51final
25:51round
25:55and
25:56in
25:56our
25:56last
25:56round
25:56we
25:57do
25:57something
25:57a
25:57little
25:58different
25:58I'm
25:59going
25:59to
25:59ask
25:59you
25:59a
26:00series
26:00of
26:00questions
26:00and
26:01I
26:02require
26:02a
26:03one
26:03word
26:03answer
26:03yes
26:04or
26:05no
26:05are
26:05you
26:05ready
26:05sure
26:06we can
26:07do
26:07our
26:07best
26:07let
26:08me
26:08start
26:08with
26:08you
26:09should
26:10the
26:10EU
26:10maintain
26:11farmer
26:11subsidies
26:12at
26:12the
26:12same
26:13level
26:13as
26:13previous
26:14years
26:18yes
26:18yes
26:19with
26:20the
26:20inflation
26:21added
26:21okay
26:22should
26:23farmers
26:23do
26:23more
26:23to
26:23tackle
26:24climate
26:24change
26:24I
26:25think
26:25farmers
26:25are
26:26doing
26:26yes
26:27yes
26:28does
26:29Ursula von der Leyen
26:30the commission
26:31chief
26:31have
26:31farmers
26:32interests
26:32at
26:32heart
26:33yes
26:34no
26:35I'm
26:35afraid
26:35is
26:37the
26:37Mercosur
26:37free
26:38trade
26:38deal
26:38an
26:39existential
26:39threat
26:39to
26:40European
26:40farmers
26:41absolutely
26:41yes
26:42no
26:42should
26:44consumers
26:44expect
26:45to pay
26:46more
26:46to support
26:47European
26:48farmers
26:48to pay
26:48more
26:49in
26:49the
26:49supermarkets
26:49no
26:50less
26:51production
26:52will
26:52mean
26:52higher
26:52prices
26:53yes
26:53is
26:54Europe
26:54losing
26:55its
26:55food
26:55sovereignty
26:57yes
26:58really
26:58because
26:58of the
26:58trade
26:59deals
27:00no
27:01and
27:01finally
27:02is
27:02the
27:03EU
27:03risking
27:04at least
27:04leaving
27:05farmers
27:05behind
27:06yes
27:07is the
27:07problem
27:08but that
27:08budget
27:08no
27:09okay
27:10very
27:10interesting
27:11many points
27:12of
27:12disagreement
27:12there
27:13at the
27:13end
27:13but
27:13thank
27:14you so
27:14much
27:14to
27:15you
27:15both
27:15for
27:15a
27:15very
27:15lively
27:16debate
27:17here
27:17in
27:17the
27:17European
27:18Parliament
27:18in
27:19Strasbourg
27:19we hope
27:20to have
27:20you back
27:20on the
27:21ring
27:21very soon
27:22but that
27:22brings
27:22this
27:23edition
27:23to an
27:24end
27:24thank you
27:24again
27:25Kieran
27:25Muloli
27:25thank you
27:26Pekka Toveri
27:27and of
27:27course
27:28thank you
27:28to our
27:29audience
27:29at home
27:30remember
27:30you can
27:31continue
27:31the conversation
27:32by sending
27:33us your
27:33feedback
27:33and comments
27:35to
27:35the ring
27:35at
27:36euronews.com
27:37in the
27:37meantime
27:38take care
27:39and stay
27:39with us
27:40here
27:40on
27:40Euronews
27:40K
27:42.
27:43.
27:43.
27:44.
27:45.
27:45.
27:49.
27:51.
27:52Amém.
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