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00:00You've got to love sports.
00:02Wow, are we lucky to be witnessing on a daily basis
00:06some of the greatest athletes to ever walk the earth.
00:10Messi, still the best player in his sport.
00:13Shohei Ohtani doing things that have never been done before in Major League Baseball.
00:19Novak Djokovic on the verge of a 25th Grand Slam title in tennis.
00:25And then there's LeBron.
00:26Now, 16 years ago to the day since the decision
00:30and the NBA universe stole the edge of their seat to find out what and where you will decide next.
00:38And are any of these guys greater than Tom Brady?
00:43We'll break it all down right now on Shine Time.
00:57Messi did it again!
00:59Scoring in a record six straight World Cup knockout match,
01:04helping Argentina complete a stunning comeback to reach the quarterfinals.
01:09This was a comeback of legendary and epic proportion.
01:13Are you kidding me?
01:14Egypt up.
01:15The defending champs were down 2-0 before Messi provided an assist for Romero in the 79th minute.
01:25Then a goal of his own!
01:27A banger!
01:28Four minutes later to tie the score.
01:30And then Enzo Fernandez scored on a header in the second minute of stoppage time
01:35for an improbable comeback, a where-were-you-win sports moment, and a win.
01:42This was the first time in World Cup history that a team had won a knockout match in regulation
01:50after trailing by two goals in the 75th minute.
01:54That was absolutely incredible.
01:57And how improbable was it?
01:59Oh, I don't know.
02:01Tom Brady inserted himself into the conversation.
02:05The NFL GOATS chimed in.
02:07Yeah, that might even top 28-3.
02:11And I remember I was doing a post-game show after the Falcons and the New England Patriots Super Bowl.
02:19And I wrote in a script at 28-3,
02:22congratulations to the Atlanta Falcons on winning the Super Bowl,
02:26because I was trying to get ahead on my work, because that game was over.
02:30And at 2-0, based upon just how Egypt was dominant and how it just appeared over and time left,
02:39this game was over.
02:42That felt like 28-3.
02:44I don't think that that was exaggeration by Tom Brady in any way, shape, or form.
02:49And when you consider what Messi was able to do,
02:52I referenced scoring in six straight World Cup knockout matches.
02:56How about the fact that he has now scored in nine straight World Cup matches, regardless of round?
03:03Nine straights.
03:05The fact that he smashed it in on the 83rd minute?
03:09Unbelievable.
03:10The fact, and Tom Brady's part of this conversation, too,
03:14when you start thinking of GOATS at a certain age, right?
03:17Messi's still the best.
03:19This is still his tournament.
03:21He is still unbelievable.
03:24He is still the player.
03:25If you said, I'm going to choose a player, my team, your team, this is still the guy.
03:31Messi still saved the day.
03:33How is he still doing this?
03:36It's unbelievable.
03:37Watching him in action, doing his thing, I'm awestruck.
03:42It's jaw-dropping.
03:43Watching a legend like this and a comeback like that, and look, I understand who Messi is
03:50and what soccer in the World Cup means to Argentina, so I want to be careful before I say it's
03:55house
03:56money the rest of the way, but that is one of the all-time great comebacks in the history
04:02of big-time sports.
04:03And to do that on the World Cup stage, at this stage of his career, that's like nothing we've ever
04:10seen before.
04:11And watching that unfold in real time, and listen, if I bet on Egypt, if I'm an Egypt fan, I'm
04:18absolutely livid,
04:20and I was rooting for Messi and rooting for Argentina, so I was thrilled.
04:24Clearly, on the call and on VAR, that was a complete and utter disgrace.
04:29And the fact that they reviewed that, and there was a penalty that wasn't even close to the goal
04:33that was disallowed, honestly, that was garbage, that was nonsense, that was Bush League.
04:39Everything wrong with soccer and VAR, that was on display there.
04:45But you can't sit here and say that is what determined the outcome,
04:51because Argentina scored three times, down 2-0 late in this match.
04:57And it's all because of Messi.
05:00His greatness, his goatness, and watching this on display, man, I say it all the time,
05:06you gotta love sports.
05:09Sporty sports, sports, sports, sports.
05:12And to see Messi do that.
05:14And then, another member of the GOAT train, Shohei Ohtani,
05:19maybe more unicorn than goats, doing what he did last night.
05:23How about the fact that we have Shohei Ohtani becoming the seventh fastest player in MLB history
05:30to hit 300 home runs?
05:35He launched a 409-foot bomb, a leadoff bomb, against the Colorado Rockies.
05:41By the way, by the way, he has 31 leadoff bombs.
05:46Hasn't been a leadoff hitter his entire career.
05:48I mean, that's crazy.
05:50Think about this.
05:52Shohei Ohtani is now the first player in Major League history
05:55with 300 home runs, 100 stolen bases within his first nine seasons.
06:04The first to do that in the first nine seasons of a baseball career.
06:08And he pitches.
06:10I mean, look at the nuggets of domination for perspective on your screen.
06:15I mean, by the way, Ohtani, according to our guy Jack Harris,
06:21he's ready to rock and roll, recovered from the biceps injury,
06:24slated to make his last pitching start before the All-Star break coming up on Friday.
06:30Seventh fastest to 300 homers, fastest to 300 homers,
06:35and 100 stolen bases, and I can't stress this enough, right,
06:39because we focus on seventh fastest to 300.
06:41We focus on the 100 stolen bases.
06:44He pitches.
06:46He's been pitching this year at a Cy Young clip.
06:51This is—I mean, I don't even know how to rank Shohei Ohtani.
06:55Like, the Post pays me to put this in word perspective.
07:00It's almost an impossible thing.
07:02You want to tell me there's been a better hitter?
07:04You want to tell me there's been a better pitcher?
07:05We could have a really intelligent conversation.
07:08You want to tell me that, all right, let's hold the goat conversation?
07:12I mean, he's a freak.
07:14He's the greatest unicorn in the history of Major League Baseball.
07:17And there is a conversation about Shohei Ohtani as the greatest baseball player of all time.
07:25When you combine hitting, hitting for power, hitting for batting average,
07:31runs scored, stolen bases, and pitching, this is goat territory.
07:38Like, if you want to tell me anybody else in terms of a goat, insert hitter here.
07:43You want to argue Barry Bonds?
07:46You want to argue Willie Mays, Hank Aaron?
07:49Anyone else you want to throw at me, right?
07:51I mean, there is a case for Shohei Ohtani,
07:54who's putting up these numbers on offense while he's pitching.
07:59I just want to go back to the fact that it was a leadoff home run, right?
08:03Because I've always argued, in some ways,
08:06Ricky Henderson is the most underrated player in baseball history, right?
08:10Derek Jeter and Ricky Henderson, I always say, are underrated
08:12because everyone always thinks of power.
08:14Ricky Henderson, if you start talking about an all-time lineup,
08:18he's my starting left fielder, right?
08:20And he has only, and I mean this as only,
08:2450 more leadoff homers than Shohei Ohtani.
08:28Shohei Ohtani batted third for a vast majority of his career.
08:31Mookie Betts was supposed to be the leadoff hitter on this team.
08:34I'm just, I'm mesmerized.
08:37Mesmerized by Messi.
08:39Mesmerized by Ohtani.
08:40And how about the fact that we had Messi and we had Ohtani and we had this guy,
08:46Novak Djokovic, all doing goat things on the exact same day.
08:52This is one of the great special days in my sports lifetime with sports individuals.
08:58The seven-time Wimbledon champ prevailed in five sets yesterday
09:02to advance to the semifinals against Yannick Sinner.
09:06Five-hour, 15-minute match.
09:08The longest quarterfinal Wimbledon match in history.
09:13When asked to compare himself with another 39-year-old
09:17to perform at the highest of levels, our guy Messi,
09:20he said it would be nice to play 90 minutes like him.
09:26Listen, I think, and I've made this case before,
09:29so I don't want to be prisoner of the moment.
09:32We're talking about the greatest player in the history of men's tennis.
09:35And I want you to take a look at what Novak Djokovic did yesterday, right?
09:42I mean, we're talking about the longest Wimbledon quarterfinal match.
09:46And I want to hit this home because this is a record.
09:5115th, 15th when you look at it, his 15th Wimbledon semifinal.
09:57That's unbelievable.
09:58He reached a record-setting eighth consecutive Wimbledon final four.
10:06And that, to me, is such a huge deal, right?
10:09Because when you make the final four, and by the way,
10:12I reference Sinner.
10:14At this stage, you expect, and I think Djokovic is the greatest of all time,
10:17you expect Sinner to win.
10:19Sinner's a better player.
10:20He's number one.
10:21The final four this stage of his career, he's on the back nine, right?
10:26Just like Messi.
10:27And he's still doing goat things?
10:30It's unreal.
10:31So now, when you're in that kind of stage for the final four,
10:34and you move ahead of, obviously, Roger Federer,
10:37that is unbelievable when you look at what he's able to accomplish in that category.
10:41And take a look at Novak Djokovic and his career highlights, right?
10:46When you look at what he's accomplished throughout the course of his career.
10:5124 Grand Slam singles titles.
10:53That is the most in men's tennis.
10:57Look at the singles titles on the tour.
11:01Look at what he's been able to accomplish as, look at this,
11:06when you look at winning the Grand Slam titles across three decades.
11:12This is the goat case.
11:13And honestly, there have been so many amazing men's tennis players,
11:16and we're at such an unbelievable stage over the last couple of decades
11:21in terms of the quality of play in men's tennis.
11:25I don't even know how you can make a case for anybody else.
11:28And watching Novak Djokovic and how he plays,
11:33and how the Joker's able to kick ass and take names,
11:36but I'm just so impressed with his ability to sustain.
11:39I'm going to give you another nugget here on Djokovic.
11:4338 wins in five set matches at majors.
11:49I want you to think about this for a second.
11:5138 wins in five set matches at majors.
11:56That's the most ever, because the longer a match goes,
12:01single elimination, the more pressure is on the performers.
12:06And for Djokovic to have that mark,
12:09that shows you not only his unbelievable skill,
12:13it shows you his mental fortitude,
12:15it shows you how he's able to go out there
12:18and kick ass and take names on a regular basis
12:22over the years, over decades.
12:24This is unbelievable.
12:26I don't even hesitate or sweat it
12:29when I call him the greatest men's tennis player
12:32in the history of the sport.
12:33And again, there are so many great ones that you can argue
12:36that have had great careers,
12:38but I don't even think it's a touchable conversation or debate.
12:43Novak Djokovic and watching him persevere,
12:47dominate, do what he does.
12:49And I want to seize the moment here.
12:50I'm not expecting him to win Wimbledon.
12:53We're not going to judge him as the greatest of all time,
12:56as the goad, based upon whether or not he wins right now.
12:59That was unbelievable theater and unbelievable drama.
13:03And watching Djokovic and watching Otani
13:06and watching Messi all on the same day,
13:09just a reminder of why you love sports.
13:12Now, of course, you have LeBron James,
13:16the king who laughs at the exploits of 39-year-olds.
13:21He's 41, still has the NBA world in the palm of his hand.
13:26But 16 years the day after the decision,
13:29he's still the face of the NBA,
13:32the most coveted free agent on the open market.
13:35Could Philadelphia be his next destination?
13:38Bob Myers has thoughts on why it should be.
13:42If he was here, I'd say I honestly believe
13:46this is your best chance to win.
13:49You have to decide all the other things
13:52that are equally important because it's his life, right?
13:56I don't, he gets, he has to play,
13:58he has to face the scrutiny of his decision
14:01that half the people will say,
14:03you should have done this or should have done that.
14:04And you've taken, they'll criticize him for whatever,
14:07which is his life.
14:09So he's been through all that.
14:10What I would just say is if it's about winning
14:15and that, let's talk about this team
14:17because you can win here in Philadelphia.
14:20I mean, it's amazing.
14:22It's 16 years to the day of the decision
14:24and we still are waiting for LeBron.
14:28Still a summer of LeBron.
14:30It's kind of crazy.
14:31And you think back to 16 years ago
14:33and, you know, he's making that decision
14:35in Greenwich, Connecticut
14:36and a lot of Knicks fans thought he was going to New York
14:40and he takes his talents to South Beach.
14:42And now after the parting of ways with the Lakers,
14:45we're waiting.
14:47I've heard from a couple of people who would know
14:49that we would know who won the World Cup
14:52before LeBron makes his ultimate decision.
14:55We'll see.
14:57I think, and by the way,
14:58credit to Max Kellerman and Rich Paul
15:00and, you know, the Game Over podcast.
15:02They have turned the Summer of LeBron
15:04into great podcast episodes
15:06and unbelievable content.
15:08And after we did the whole whiteboard thing yesterday,
15:12analyzing, psychoanalyzing, overanalyzing,
15:15Rich Paul putting all the candidates
15:17for LeBron's next team on a whiteboard,
15:21he got Bob Myers!
15:23I mean, this is Bob Myers,
15:24the architect.
15:25He's a former agent,
15:26former architect of the Dynasty Golden State Warriors,
15:30and now he's the SVP of the Philadelphia 76ers.
15:35And he's literally on Rich Paul's podcast
15:38laying out the case for Rich Paul's client,
15:41LeBron James,
15:42to join the Philadelphia 76ers.
15:44What a time to be alive!
15:47It's kind of crazy.
15:48I also think,
15:51this is very calculated and very smart
15:53on Bob Myers' part,
15:54showing that there's no fear
15:56and talking on camera,
15:58on record,
16:00LeBron's agent.
16:02And he's also,
16:04right.
16:05Like, you can make a case
16:07that the Sixers are already without
16:10LeBron James,
16:11the team to beat in the Eastern Conference.
16:14You could make a case
16:15if they sign LeBron James,
16:18the Philadelphia 76ers
16:19score a championship.
16:20And in that basketball market,
16:23which I love Philly fans,
16:24I think Philly fans are amazing,
16:26they're passionate,
16:27they're super smart.
16:28I think they're the worst
16:30when it comes to basketball.
16:31I think that they've been fed
16:33garbage and nonsense.
16:35And, you know,
16:36the whole process is fake.
16:38And it's a broken basketball
16:40fan base and market
16:41on so many different levels.
16:43The Jalen Brown deal
16:44was unbelievable.
16:46Love Maxi,
16:47love Edgecombe.
16:48I really don't think
16:49that Joel Embiid is a winner,
16:51but that's part of this.
16:52If LeBron takes
16:54the Philadelphia 76ers
16:55and Joel Embiid
16:56to a championship,
16:58takes his resume,
16:59his game,
17:00to a different level.
17:01Look,
17:01I think he could win in Cleveland.
17:03I think he could win
17:04another championship in Cleveland,
17:06take Donovan Mitchell
17:07to a different level.
17:08I think that Cavs team
17:10would be very dangerous.
17:11And obviously,
17:12going home,
17:13third time in Cleveland,
17:15I'm of the opinion,
17:16LeBron always wins
17:17two years in, right?
17:18Every stop,
17:18he's won in year two.
17:20So,
17:21while I think
17:22there is a
17:24retirement tour
17:25quotient
17:26to all of this,
17:27I think that LeBron,
17:29I don't need to get this
17:30from the Rich Paul podcast,
17:31is looking at this
17:32as a two-year situation,
17:34wherever he goes.
17:35Listen,
17:36I still think that
17:38Golden State makes sense.
17:40Our friend,
17:40Sham Sharania,
17:42was on Stephen A. Smith's
17:43Sirius XM
17:44Straight Shooter show,
17:45and he said,
17:46LeBron and Draymond Green
17:47are going to get together.
17:49That counts as news
17:50in the summer of LeBron here.
17:53I still selfishly,
17:55as a fan of basketball
17:57and sports and greatness,
17:59and we're talking goats today,
18:01would love to see Steph
18:02and love to see LeBron team up.
18:04It'd be unbelievable.
18:06That is what I'm rooting for.
18:07But I get it
18:09in terms of Philly and Cleveland.
18:11I think right now,
18:12when you start talking
18:13about likelihood,
18:14and you start talking
18:15about fits,
18:16and you start trying
18:17to read the tea leaves here,
18:19which is a dangerous game
18:20when it comes
18:20to the summer of LeBron.
18:22Listen,
18:23I think there are three teams
18:25that have a leg up.
18:27I think it's going back
18:28to Cleveland.
18:29I think it's Golden State,
18:31and I think the Philadelphia 76ers
18:34are very viable
18:35because I watched
18:36the entire interview
18:37that Kellerman
18:38and Rich Paul did
18:40with Bob Myers.
18:41And I'm a Bob Myers fan.
18:43I think he's fantastic.
18:44And I think everything
18:45he laid out
18:46in terms of the case
18:48on why James should go
18:50to the Philadelphia 76ers,
18:52spot on.
18:53Absolutely, positively perfect.
18:56So, we've got a lot
18:59of goat talk today.
19:00So how would I rank
19:01these guys?
19:02We're talking Messi,
19:05Ohtani, Djokovic, LeBron.
19:08They all have arguments
19:11to be the goats
19:13in their respective sports.
19:16And I think it's important here
19:18to kind of go case by case
19:20a little bit
19:21and explain an overall ranking.
19:25Number one,
19:26I think the safest case
19:28for a specific sport
19:30for any of those guys
19:31is Djokovic is the greatest
19:33men's tennis player
19:33of all time.
19:34And I will absolutely
19:36say that forever, okay?
19:37I think, I know, I believe,
19:42Messi is the greatest
19:43soccer player of all time.
19:44There's more of a conversation
19:46in my opinion about that.
19:48But I would go Messi
19:50if we're going to go
19:51goat of goats, right?
19:53Among the current stars.
19:54I think you'd go Messi.
19:57Then, I think you'd go Djokovic.
20:00I also think that all three,
20:03Djokovic and James and Messi,
20:05doing this at this stage
20:07of their career,
20:08all punching father time
20:10in the face,
20:10it's remarkable
20:12and adds to the genius,
20:14frankly, of this conversation.
20:16Now, I don't want LeBron lovers
20:19coming after me
20:20because I love LeBron James.
20:23I just think unequivocally,
20:25and I mean this as a compliment,
20:26and sometimes in the court
20:27of public opinion,
20:28this gets all wild and askew.
20:31I think LeBron James
20:33is without question
20:35the second greatest
20:36basketball player alive.
20:38Second greatest basketball player
20:39in the history of the sport.
20:41I think it's Michael Jordan,
20:42draw a line,
20:43LeBron James draw a line.
20:44Then we could fight
20:45about who's number three.
20:47That's how I look at it.
20:49That's my take on it.
20:51That's how I analyze it.
20:53So, I wouldn't put
20:56or I can't put,
20:58and it's not exactly,
20:58and I hate the expression,
21:00you know, apples and oranges.
21:02I always hate that.
21:03I had a math teacher
21:05in high school, Ed Taylor.
21:07Ed Taylor was a gem.
21:09He was a beaut.
21:10Great teacher,
21:11also didn't really care.
21:13He was ripping heaters
21:14in the hall
21:15back when that was a thing.
21:16I mean, I love Ed Taylor.
21:18Ed Taylor would say
21:19it's like comparing apples
21:21and Oldsmobiles.
21:22That's how I feel
21:23about this conversation, right?
21:25I mean, LeBron James
21:27versus Djokovic,
21:29LeBron James versus Messi.
21:31That's kind of an apples
21:33and Oldsmobiles conversation.
21:35Then, of course,
21:36you have Ohtani.
21:38And Ohtani is the weirdest thing
21:41in terms of the court
21:43of public opinion
21:43when it comes to this
21:44kind of ranking.
21:46Because Shohei Ohtani
21:48in so many ways
21:49is, first of all,
21:50let's just say this.
21:51Most talented player
21:52in the history
21:53of Major League Baseball.
21:54There are no more words
21:56to be added to that sentence.
21:58I don't even know
21:59how you'd debate that.
22:00Is he the greatest?
22:01Well, you can find
22:03greater pitchers, obviously.
22:04You can find better pitchers,
22:06more dominant pitchers,
22:07on the 2024, 2025, 2026
22:11L.A. Dodgers.
22:13But when you factor in
22:15his power,
22:15his batting average,
22:16his stolen bases,
22:17and he pitches,
22:19this is unprecedented.
22:21Babe Ruth never did this.
22:23There's a reason
22:24why no one else did this.
22:25My favorite thing
22:26in all of any sports conversation
22:28I have on any platform
22:29is talking to John Smoltz
22:31about this.
22:32Because the way
22:33Smoltz attacked pitching
22:34was remarkable.
22:35And, you know,
22:36he is mesmerized.
22:39And Smoltz doesn't do mesmerized.
22:41He doesn't get mesmerized.
22:43He's mesmerized
22:44by what Otani does
22:45as a pitcher.
22:46He thinks he's been
22:46a pitcher than a hitter.
22:48Because he has to hit
22:50and run every single day.
22:52It's kind of crazy.
22:54You could easily make the case
22:56that Djokovic, James, Messi,
23:02in terms of athletic accomplishments,
23:06they have to look up
23:08to Shohei Otani.
23:09Like, there is a real conversation
23:12about that.
23:13I mean, if I was doing a ranking
23:15and they made me do it,
23:17and we made sure
23:19we're going to flesh this out
23:20instead of putting up a graphic
23:21where we could say,
23:22gotcha,
23:23I would do Messi,
23:26Djokovic,
23:27Otani,
23:28James.
23:29But that doesn't do it justice
23:32because LeBron James,
23:33in my opinion,
23:34is the second greatest
23:36basketball player
23:37in the history of the NBA.
23:39And I think in terms
23:40of athletic accomplishment,
23:41the guy we're showing you now,
23:42Shohei Otani,
23:43is the greatest performer
23:45in the history of sports.
23:49I don't think that's crazy.
23:51We could even go playoffs,
23:52international stage,
23:54however you want to do it.
23:56But Messi is,
23:57to me,
23:57the greatest soccer player,
23:59men's soccer player
23:59we've ever seen.
24:00Djokovic is the greatest
24:02men's tennis player
24:03we've ever seen.
24:04And the fact that this
24:05is a conversation today
24:07because of all of this,
24:08I mean,
24:09look,
24:10it's kind of wild.
24:11Now,
24:11we saw Tom Brady chime in
24:13on Messi's epic comeback
24:15against Egypt.
24:15And of course,
24:16he was the architect
24:17of the greatest comeback
24:18in Super Bowl history.
24:20So,
24:21this is a different
24:22than separate conversation
24:24that we'll now put together.
24:26Any one of these guys
24:27greater in his sport
24:28than Tom Brady was in his?
24:31So,
24:33the answer to that is no.
24:35And I am going to give you
24:37a monster bias
24:38that I have.
24:40And I will fight people on it,
24:42but this is how you have to
24:43separate all the goats
24:45and the greats.
24:47Tom Brady played
24:49the most important position
24:51in all of sports.
24:54So,
24:55if you have to start
24:55separating,
24:57right,
24:57and look,
24:58Tom Brady didn't play defense.
25:00There's a lot of ways
25:01you can kind of,
25:02you know,
25:02part and parcel
25:03the conversation.
25:04But Tom Brady doing this,
25:06winning all those championships,
25:08making all those Super Bowls,
25:11playing in,
25:11I cited this for Djokovic,
25:13right?
25:14I've always argued this
25:15in terms of the Patriots,
25:16their dynasty,
25:17which I've called
25:17the greatest dynasty
25:18in the history
25:19of North American sports.
25:20Go look at the championship games
25:23Tom Brady played in.
25:25Playing in the final four
25:26in the NFL,
25:27that is a monster deal
25:29in a single elimination tournament.
25:30How many times
25:31in the NFL
25:31do we talk about
25:32upsets here,
25:33upsets there?
25:34That is maintained
25:36goatness and greatness.
25:38So,
25:39I'm obsessed
25:40with Tom Brady.
25:42I think he's the greatest
25:43quarterback of all time.
25:44Some people have argued
25:45Patrick Mahomes
25:46is the greatest quarterback
25:47they've ever seen.
25:48Look,
25:49I go Brady one,
25:50I go Patrick Mahomes number two,
25:52then you start getting
25:53into the John Elways,
25:54the Joe Montanas,
25:55and the Peyton Mannings
25:57of the world
25:57as a top five
25:58before you get into
25:59my guy Aaron Rodgers.
26:00So,
26:01the answer is no.
26:03I don't think any of these guys
26:05are better than Tom Brady.
26:07I have a bias
26:09and I stand by it
26:10when it comes to
26:11the quarterback position.
26:12When you do that,
26:14and also,
26:15and this is part of it,
26:16and, you know,
26:16this factors into
26:18the summer of LeBron,
26:20Brady winning away
26:21from Belichick
26:23and winning in Tampa
26:24and winning that Super Bowl,
26:26if there was any doubt,
26:29there's no doubt.
26:29So,
26:31LeBron James
26:32could land in Philly
26:33to play alongside
26:34Jalen Brown.
26:35Jason Tatum
26:36used to play
26:37alongside Brown.
26:39He spoke about
26:39the trade for the first time
26:40with Howard Bryant
26:41while promoting
26:42his new children's book.
26:43We also heard
26:45from Jalen Brown
26:47at an event of his own.
26:49Take a listen.
26:50I mean,
26:51to be honest,
26:52it's weird.
26:53It's weird.
26:55You know,
26:56you can play on the team
26:57with a guy
26:58for nine years
27:00who I was fortunate enough
27:01to go to the finals
27:03for twice
27:03and win a championship
27:05and push each other
27:07to be the players
27:08that we are today.
27:10You know,
27:10you just kind of feel like
27:11you're going to be
27:12on the team
27:12with somebody
27:14because that's all you know
27:15and then
27:15it's just like
27:16one day
27:17to find out
27:18that there's no luck
27:21on your team anymore.
27:23and, you know,
27:24we feel those emotions
27:26and going into the facility
27:28and going into that
27:29for two weeks
27:31and somebody
27:32should play the board
27:33with for six weeks
27:34based on the different team.
27:36It's okay.
27:37You know,
27:37things happen.
27:38You know,
27:38but I love the city
27:39of Boston.
27:40I always have.
27:41I've been here
27:42for 10 years,
27:44a third of my life.
27:45I'll be 30 in October.
27:47So Boston is home.
27:49You know what I mean?
27:50No management
27:50or organization
27:51will take that away.
27:53No organization
27:55will take that away.
27:57And obviously,
27:58Brown honoring
27:59a commitment
28:00at a charity event
28:01in Boston.
28:03That's great stuff.
28:04So Tatum was able to speak.
28:06Brown was able to speak.
28:08I've been speaking
28:09about this.
28:10Shams Sharania,
28:12the aforementioned Shams,
28:14was talking to our friend,
28:15the aforementioned
28:16Stephen A. Smith,
28:17on his Straight Shooter
28:18show yesterday.
28:19Shams said,
28:20you know,
28:20by the end,
28:21you know,
28:21these guys just did not
28:23have any off-court
28:24relationship.
28:25I think in the NBA,
28:27keeping duos together
28:29is very difficult.
28:31There's ego involved.
28:33We could go
28:33throughout history on this.
28:35We've seen it
28:35countless times.
28:37It usually never ends
28:39where the two stars
28:40play together forever.
28:41Shaq and Kobe,
28:42Steph and Klay.
28:43You know,
28:44even if it's just age
28:45like it was
28:46with Steph and Klay
28:47or contractual,
28:48it usually never ends
28:50where everyone
28:51stays together forever.
28:52It's just
28:53the nature of the beast.
28:55Now,
28:56I think
28:57that Boston
28:59originally
28:59had no interest
29:00in breaking this up.
29:02I think that
29:03when they won
29:04a championship,
29:05and I remember
29:05saying this,
29:06when they won
29:07a championship,
29:08and that team,
29:10that Boston team,
29:10was so amazing.
29:12And remember,
29:13Tatum was unbelievable
29:14and climbed that mountain
29:15in the court of public opinion
29:16and his ranking on,
29:18you know,
29:18where he was,
29:19you know,
29:19in terms of basketball
29:20players,
29:21you know,
29:22in 2024.
29:23The MVP of the finals
29:25was Jalen Brown.
29:26He was the MVP,
29:27not Jason Tatum,
29:28Jalen Brown.
29:29But Brown became
29:31such a,
29:33at best,
29:34wild card,
29:35at worst,
29:37pain in the ass
29:37and a nuisance.
29:38And when he went
29:40on social media,
29:41didn't have something
29:43set up with Celtics PR
29:45or anything like that.
29:46He's on Twitch
29:47after they lost to Philly
29:49and he says
29:49this is the worst.
29:50He said,
29:51it's the best year
29:52of my life
29:53after it was the worst year
29:54of Jason Tatum's life.
29:55I mean,
29:56you can't say that.
29:58And that's why
29:59I kept saying,
30:00I mean,
30:01you know,
30:03GD's out of the bottle.
30:04Had to trade him.
30:05And the fact
30:06that they had to trade him,
30:07and they had to send him
30:08to Philly
30:09and sell low on him,
30:10that's the theater
30:11of the absurd.
30:12So I was right
30:13in terms of,
30:15and you listen
30:15to Tatum and Brown
30:17and, you know,
30:18Brown puts it
30:19on the organization
30:20and Tatum takes
30:20the high road
30:21which you would expect.
30:22These guys
30:23didn't like each other.
30:24And I think Tatum
30:25felt wrong
30:26by Brown's comments
30:26at the end
30:27and Brown has felt
30:29wrong by
30:31the organization,
30:32the coaching staff,
30:33Stevens,
30:34ownership,
30:35the fans,
30:36which, you know,
30:37they paid him
30:37a boatload of money.
30:39I think a lot
30:39of that was,
30:40you know,
30:42that blurred line
30:43between perception
30:43and reality.
30:45And now,
30:47Jason Tatum's
30:48going to have to
30:48own this
30:49and wear this.
30:50Everyone expects,
30:51I know I do,
30:53Jalen Brown
30:53to be more successful
30:54than Jason Tatum.
30:55Whether it's
30:56individual play,
30:57whether it's team,
30:59I think the Boston Celtics,
31:01I think Joe Mazzoula's
31:02a fabulous coach.
31:03Like,
31:03one of the,
31:04you know,
31:04four best coaches
31:05in the NBA.
31:06I thought Joe Mazzoula
31:08this past year,
31:09coach of the year.
31:10Like,
31:10he was the absolute best.
31:12Miss Johnson had a case.
31:13I thought J.J. Reddick
31:14had a case.
31:15I thought Baker
31:15staff had a case.
31:16I thought the best
31:17coaching job
31:18was Joe Mazzoula.
31:19He is phenomenal.
31:21But I don't know
31:22what the Celtics
31:22are doing here.
31:23I mean,
31:24the roster stinks.
31:25The team is not
31:27very good.
31:27And Brown,
31:29who has proven
31:30he could win
31:31in a cauldron,
31:32a media market,
31:34a fan base
31:35like Boston,
31:36he goes to Philly?
31:38I mean,
31:40that's a phenomenal fit.
31:42You don't have to
31:42wonder aloud about,
31:43can he handle
31:44the big bad Philly media?
31:46He's going to embrace it.
31:47He's going to be great.
31:48He's viewed as the savior.
31:49By the way,
31:50they saw Maxie
31:51and Embiid
31:51and Edgecombe
31:52and maybe LeBron James.
31:53So,
31:54the genie was always
31:55out of the bottle.
31:56He was gone
31:57the minute he went
31:58on Twitch
31:58after they lost
31:59in the first round.
32:00Never even got
32:01that Celtics next series.
32:02It was over
32:04with a capital O.
32:05We were light years
32:07ahead of the curve
32:08on that.
32:08You had a lot
32:09of smart people
32:10saying,
32:10oh,
32:10maybe they can
32:11figure it out,
32:11have a nice dinner
32:13in a little Italy
32:14section of Boston.
32:15That was never
32:16going to be the case.
32:17It was done.
32:19But selling low,
32:21selling him to Philly,
32:23hated rival,
32:24that's,
32:25I still can't believe
32:27we're here
32:28with this
32:29as a topic
32:29for conversation.
32:30So,
32:31the Celtics might suck.
32:33Time will tell.
32:35You know who
32:35absolutely sucks
32:37right now?
32:37The New York Yankees.
32:39They are striking out
32:42at a historic,
32:44alarming rate.
32:45I mean,
32:46it's just
32:47absolutely
32:48embarrassing.
32:50But,
32:50for some reason,
32:52Aaron Boone
32:53doesn't see
32:53any reason
32:54to change things up.
32:56You guys have
32:57the most strikeouts
32:58in the majors
32:59over your last
32:5919 games or so.
33:00Do you feel like
33:01there needs to be
33:01a change in approach
33:02at all?
33:04Approach, I mean,
33:06we don't want to lead
33:07in that number,
33:08clearly.
33:10But,
33:10as far as approach,
33:12I'm confident
33:13in our approach.
33:15but,
33:16you know,
33:16we're,
33:16you know,
33:17we've got to get
33:17some guys on track
33:18right now that,
33:19you know,
33:20some really good players
33:21obviously that are
33:21going through a tough
33:22time right now.
33:23So,
33:23we're not going to
33:24overhaul and change.
33:26But part of,
33:28you know,
33:28part of our approach
33:29is being a tough out
33:31and being situational.
33:32And,
33:33we've got to do a better
33:33job of that right now.
33:35Aaron Boone is okay
33:36with the approach?
33:37I mean,
33:38do I say
33:40congratulations?
33:41First team in
33:42American League history
33:43to have 17 strikeouts
33:46in back-to-back games.
33:48Congratulations
33:49to the New York Yankees.
33:51History,
33:52what the Yankees
33:53are all about.
33:54Ruth,
33:56Garrick,
33:57Mantle,
33:58DiMaggio,
34:00Reggie,
34:01Jeter,
34:02Judge,
34:03and back-to-back games
34:05with 17 strikeouts.
34:08Congrats on making history.
34:10And Aaron Boone's
34:11okay with it?
34:12I mean,
34:13by the way,
34:15we have all 17 strikeouts.
34:17We've got all the video
34:19and still pictures
34:20to pick from.
34:22I mean,
34:22look at this.
34:23It's more clueless
34:24and inept
34:25after the next.
34:26And,
34:26it's just awful
34:28watching these at-bats.
34:30And they snowball.
34:32And,
34:32I love Bellinger.
34:34He's one of my favorite
34:35Yankees,
34:35big market player.
34:36He's going to the
34:36All-Star game.
34:38You watch Bellinger
34:39from the jump last night.
34:41He has no idea.
34:43Speaking of no idea,
34:44Goldschmidt struck out
34:46four times last night.
34:47He's 0 for his last 30.
34:500 for his last 30.
34:53This team,
34:54and this is part of it,
34:56is unwatchable.
34:58I,
34:58I'm an idiot.
34:59I watched that baseball game
35:01last night.
35:02That was insufferable.
35:05Watching the Yankees
35:07strike out 17 times.
35:09No fundamentals.
35:11And,
35:11honestly,
35:13none of it's the reason
35:14they lost.
35:15Will Warren can't pitch.
35:17He's throwing 91,
35:1992,
35:2093 mile per hour
35:21cookies
35:22right down Broadway
35:24to the
35:25bottom
35:26of the Rays lineup.
35:28He gave up
35:29seven hits
35:30and six earned runs.
35:31Three homers.
35:33I mean,
35:34this was like
35:34the home run derby.
35:36It was akin to
35:37batting practice.
35:38Why am I watching
35:40Will Warren
35:41still pitching
35:42for the New York Yankees?
35:44My goodness.
35:45At least Anthony Volpe
35:47wasn't in the starting
35:47lineup last night.
35:49Then,
35:49of course,
35:50you have the
35:50Michael K.
35:52reports
35:52that Volpe
35:53refused to play
35:54second base
35:55in the minors.
35:57I mean,
35:58Michael walked that
35:59back a little bit.
36:00I'll tell you something.
36:02There's something there.
36:03It's all based
36:04on a true story here.
36:06And the Yankees,
36:08whether Aaron Boone
36:09wants to admit it
36:10or not,
36:10and this all plays,
36:12need to do something
36:13dramatic,
36:14right?
36:15They're four games,
36:17they're five games
36:18behind Tampa Bay.
36:20Five games behind
36:21Tampa Bay.
36:22Shane McClanahan
36:23pitches tonight.
36:24Shane O is a terrific
36:25strikeout pitcher.
36:27I can't even get excited
36:29about Garrett Cole
36:30on the bump.
36:31I lived for the days
36:32as a Yankee fan
36:33where Cole
36:34and Cam Schlittler,
36:35they're pitching
36:36for my New York Yankees.
36:38The Yankees feel
36:40like they're dead
36:41on arrival.
36:42Flat as a pancake.
36:44No juice,
36:45no approach.
36:46They need to do
36:47something big.
36:49Because if they lose
36:50tonight,
36:51if they lose tomorrow,
36:53four-game series,
36:54I'm just telling you,
36:55I don't know how they get
36:56out of this haze
36:58and malaise.
36:59Now, in theory,
37:00right,
37:00you're not going to see
37:01Bellinger,
37:02in theory,
37:03theory,
37:03Bellinger and Jazz
37:04and, you know,
37:05Goldschmidt all slumping
37:07at the same time.
37:08But right now,
37:09it just,
37:11it's a slippery slope.
37:13It's a downward spiral
37:14of negativity.
37:15It's bad at bats.
37:16It's contagious.
37:1917 strikeouts
37:20in consecutive games?
37:23So,
37:24this team needs
37:25to do something
37:26if they lose
37:27three out of four
37:28against Tampa,
37:29right?
37:29Like,
37:29we're at a stage
37:30right now,
37:30I sign up for a split.
37:32That should not be
37:33the Yankees mentality.
37:34And I know Aaron Judge
37:36isn't there.
37:36They should be striking
37:37out 17 times,
37:39okay?
37:39Should,
37:40I mean,
37:40Trent Grisham
37:41and Cashman fouled
37:42that up in the offseason,
37:43hitting 230.
37:44He's the leadoff hitter
37:45for the Yankees.
37:47Yankees are going to have
37:47to do one of two things.
37:48I'm just telling you
37:49right now.
37:50They're either going
37:51to have to cut
37:53or ship Volpe
37:54to the minors,
37:56or they're going
37:56to have to fire
37:57Aaron Boone.
37:57They're not going
37:58to fire Aaron Boone
37:59because he's got
38:00more job security
38:00than a Supreme Court
38:01justice.
38:02Because Brian Cashman
38:04and House Time Warner
38:04just don't care
38:06about the manager.
38:07They're just going
38:07to keep rolling
38:08him out there.
38:09That's documented.
38:10I've always said this
38:12when it comes
38:12to the players.
38:14The players
38:15in a clubhouse
38:17know.
38:18They know better
38:19than anyone.
38:20They see the work.
38:21They see the effort.
38:23They know the truth.
38:24They know the story.
38:25They see the at-bats.
38:27If they think,
38:29if they know
38:31that this Volpe
38:32situation is real
38:34and he,
38:34you know,
38:36doesn't always come
38:37across as,
38:38you know,
38:38the greatest guy
38:39or the best teammate,
38:40I think the Yankees
38:42got to get rid of him.
38:43You want to wake
38:43everyone's ass up
38:44in that clubhouse
38:45and that dugout?
38:47Ship Volpe to the minors.
38:48And look,
38:49I've been ahead
38:50of the curve on Volpe.
38:51And I don't say
38:52that with joy.
38:52I don't say that
38:53with jubilation.
38:54I said I never
38:55wanted to see his face
38:56again last year
38:57in Toronto
38:59end of June,
39:00early July.
39:00They went up north
39:02and got swept
39:03in that series
39:03in a four-game series.
39:04By the way,
39:05that was different
39:05between wild card
39:06and division
39:07when it came down
39:08to the playoffs
39:08last year.
39:09The Yankees
39:10are just comatose,
39:13dead on arrival.
39:14There's no heartbeat.
39:15There's no effort.
39:16There's no oomph.
39:17There's no reason
39:19to sit down
39:19and watch them play.
39:21This is my pleasure
39:23as a sports fan,
39:25watching the Yankees.
39:26This is a defunct,
39:28awful,
39:30atrocious,
39:31poorly managed
39:32baseball team.
39:34And if Volpe
39:37refused to play
39:38second base
39:39in the minor leagues,
39:41if,
39:42and I'm guessing,
39:44this is an educated guess,
39:45right,
39:46Michael Kaye
39:47has a radio show
39:48where he's
39:49pretty opinionated.
39:51He also is the voice
39:52of the Yankees.
39:53I'm going to guess
39:55a couple of people
39:57that are influential
39:58with the Yankees
39:59gave Michael Kaye
40:01a trial balloon.
40:03Kind of stick your finger
40:05out the window,
40:05see where the wind
40:06is blowing.
40:07Because there still are
40:09some people,
40:11Yankee fans,
40:13who are on
40:13planet delusional
40:15and still think
40:16Volpe's good.
40:17Still think he's going
40:18to be a big-time player.
40:20You need to do something
40:22to wake everyone up.
40:23Yankees need a bat
40:24at the trade deadline.
40:25Yankees need three
40:25to four relief pitchers
40:26at the trade deadline.
40:28Yankees right now
40:29are a wild-card team.
40:31And again,
40:32it's a weird thing
40:33doing what I do
40:34for a living
40:34because I always have
40:35to give this caveat.
40:37I can't go full mode
40:40of just trashing everyone
40:41because the American League sucks.
40:44The Yankees upside
40:45is still going
40:45to the World Series.
40:46But if they keep
40:47playing like this,
40:48they're going to miss
40:49the entire boat
40:51and window
40:52of getting there.
40:53They're still the favorites
40:54in Vegas
40:54to win the American League.
40:56I don't think that's crazy
40:57because everyone else stinks.
41:00Watch the Rays
41:00go make a trade or two.
41:01Watch the Rays
41:02go and trade for Scooby.
41:03If the Yankees
41:04are a wild-card team,
41:05they're not winning.
41:07Simple as that.
41:08We're going to find out
41:09if anybody involved
41:11in this sad sack organization
41:14actually gives a damn.
41:1517 strikeouts.
41:18Back-to-back games.
41:19Do you know what it's like
41:20watching 18 consecutive innings
41:22of baseball as a fan
41:23and this team
41:25can't make contact?
41:27It's putrid.
41:28It's pathetic.
41:29It's Aaron Boone,
41:30Anthony Volpe,
41:31Brian Cashman baseball.
41:32I have had about enough.
41:35Enough.
41:35But wait.
41:36There's more.
41:38Justin Verlander announced
41:40he's going to retire
41:41at the end of the season.
41:43Injuries have sidelined him
41:45in Detroit
41:46for all but one start this year.
41:48He's going to make
41:48the all-star team.
41:49I love how Rob Manfred
41:51has this new
41:52Legends of the Game spot.
41:54This is absolutely terrific.
41:56It's absolutely tremendous.
41:58So he will be in Philly next week.
42:00He'll be able to tip the cap,
42:01soak it in,
42:02and I will make this case, right?
42:05Justin Verlander
42:06is not only a first-ballot
42:08Hall of Famer,
42:09he is a unanimous
42:10Hall of Famer.
42:11And I don't want to hear,
42:13well, this guy
42:13wasn't unanimous
42:14and that guy
42:15wasn't unanimous
42:16and Tom Seaver
42:17and just because idiots
42:19and dopes
42:20and morons
42:21and gatekeepers
42:22found it up in the past,
42:24don't mess it up here.
42:26Justin Verlander,
42:27you look at his resume,
42:29this is,
42:30without question,
42:32first-ballot
42:33unanimous Hall of Fame.
42:34Simple as that.
42:36I mean,
42:36he's won a couple
42:36World Series,
42:37won three Cy Youngs.
42:39Look at the top five
42:40and top ten finishes
42:41as well,
42:42won an MVP,
42:43won a Triple Crown.
42:45You know,
42:45sometimes all-star selections
42:47for hitters
42:48can be inflated.
42:50You have to get picked
42:52based upon genius
42:54as a pitcher.
42:55Ten-time all-star,
42:57that's a big deal.
42:59If you don't think
43:00Justin Verlander's
43:01Hall of Fame worthy,
43:03honestly,
43:04A,
43:05I don't like you,
43:06B,
43:07I don't respect you,
43:09C,
43:10you should lose
43:11your votes.
43:12That's the show.
43:13You miss any portion
43:14of the show,
43:14just do what I do.
43:15We watch the show
43:16over and over and over again.
43:17Go to the New York
43:18Post Sports YouTube page
43:19and, of course,
43:20the California
43:20Post Sports YouTube page
43:21and search
43:22Shine Time.
43:24We'll see you tomorrow
43:24on Shine Time.
43:27Shine Time.
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