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00:00Roberto Carlos, thank you very much for attending.
00:02Thank you very much.
00:03It's a pleasure.
00:03Well, let's talk about Ronaldo and let's talk about his history.
00:08How are in Brazil the football fields, the neighborhoods,
00:11where the boys play like Ronaldo,
00:14who are looking for a exit and find them through the football?
00:16How are those neighborhoods?
00:17In our time, there were fields of land,
00:21there were no fields like now in all clubs,
00:25in canteras,
00:25and there were fields like green,
00:29and we practically came out of the village and barro,
00:34because we are from a town
00:38and I believe that,
00:41by training and playing in bad fields,
00:44it has made us very much improve our technical quality.
00:47And Ronnie comes from a small city,
00:52in San Cristobal,
00:54and all the history of Ronnie begins,
00:57in San Cristobal,
00:59in a very small club,
01:01with a very humble family,
01:05and there it is.
01:06The history of Ronnie begins,
01:08beautiful because he suffered from the beginning
01:11to have all this importance in the world of football.
01:16For many of those young people,
01:17the football may be the only exit
01:19of the poverty and poverty
01:20that they live in their villages.
01:22Yes, yes.
01:24When I came home, I told my father,
01:25I came back with a little money to help you.
01:27Ronnie has been the same thing.
01:29The reference, of course,
01:30he has several brothers,
01:32but the reference of the house has been he.
01:36He was very young,
01:37then coming to Europe,
01:38to the PSV,
01:40to get a good contract.
01:42In Brazil, we are like this.
01:44We are young people
01:45to always think about the family.
01:47What do you think about Brazil?
01:49What do you think about Brazil?
01:51What do you think about Brazil?
01:51Why are you one of the main players
01:52of the planet?
01:53What do you think about them?
01:55I don't know.
01:58It's not just being a football player
02:01or being a player with good teams.
02:03I think the preparation
02:04comes from the technical team.
02:07If you have the lucky
02:08to be able to play in a team,
02:10and you have in each club
02:12their way to work
02:13and teach a kid to play football,
02:14but with your quality,
02:16you go ahead.
02:17I think our growth
02:20as a player
02:20begins with plastic balls
02:25or very old balls
02:26and you obligate
02:28to improve your quality.
02:29And there comes the luck
02:30of being a football player.
02:32There is no secret.
02:33There is luck,
02:33there is work
02:36and insisting
02:37on believing
02:38that you can be a football player
02:40and one day
02:40you get things out.
02:42When is the first time
02:43you hear a guy
02:45who is a young man
02:46who is a young man
02:47who is called
02:48Ronaldo Nazario?
02:49When did you hear him?
02:50I think in 1992
02:54when he started
02:55on the Cruzeiro
02:55he already talked a lot
02:56of him.
02:57And of course,
02:58when he started playing
02:59on the first team,
03:00there were all the games
03:01on TV.
03:02He was playing
03:02and I had in my mind
03:06to be able to
03:08coincide
03:08with him
03:09in some games
03:11against him.
03:12But the first time
03:13we coincided
03:14together
03:14was with the
03:16SELECTION
03:16in the same
03:18house.
03:19I concentrated
03:20with him
03:20and there was
03:21all our history
03:23always together.
03:24In some way,
03:25you have to say
03:25that you have shared
03:26more house with Ronaldo
03:28than with your wife.
03:29He said he.
03:30He said he.
03:31He said he.
03:32It was fun.
03:35I learned a lot from him.
03:37Ronnie has been chosen
03:38the best in the world
03:39very young.
03:40And I tried to look
03:43a lot
03:43to know
03:44how it was possible
03:45to be the number one
03:46in the world.
03:47I talked a lot
03:47with him.
03:48He asked many opinions.
03:50And people
03:51ask me
03:52what's your best friend.
03:53I don't have a friend.
03:55I have a brother.
03:56And Ronnie
03:56is considered
03:57a brother for me
03:58because we grew up
03:59together.
04:00And we have had
04:03incredible moments
04:04and few bad moments
04:06where one
04:07hugged the other
04:08and we were
04:10And it has been
04:11for me
04:12a huge reference
04:13in my career
04:14as a person.
04:15What has made
04:16inseparable?
04:16Is it very young?
04:17Is it true that you have
04:18maintained for decades?
04:19The youth,
04:20the sincerity,
04:21the honesty,
04:22trying to be
04:24the most positive
04:25one with the other.
04:27What he said
04:28he is
04:29having more time
04:30in the room
04:31than with his own family
04:33or with his wife
04:35has made us
04:36have a little more
04:37freedom.
04:38He participated
04:39a lot of my life
04:39and I participated
04:41too much
04:42in the life of Ronnie
04:42because I wanted to know
04:43what happened.
04:44You had to be a great
04:46friend of the room
04:46because I have understood
04:47that it was very fun.
04:48Everyone coincide with that.
04:50Yes.
04:50It was very funny.
04:51Now he is a person
04:52more serious
04:53because he is
04:53changing his history
04:56inside the field
04:57to outside the field.
04:58He is not a president,
05:00a man of business.
05:02But when I see
05:03I smile
05:03and I forget
05:04that he is a president.
05:07But the way
05:08of living
05:10is very intelligent.
05:12He does not speak
05:12much.
05:13When I see him
05:14he thinks,
05:15Ronaldo has not studied.
05:16He speaks many languages.
05:18He knows
05:18many things.
05:19He is a great father
05:20of his family.
05:21He has improved
05:21a lot
05:23with me.
05:24Because I teach him
05:25to be like.
05:26You have also said
05:27that Ronaldo
05:28taught you to behave.
05:29Yes.
05:30In what sense?
05:31No.
05:32Because I was separated
05:34after 12 years
05:35and I thought
05:35that the world
05:36would end in two days.
05:38I had no limits
05:40and one day
05:40he called me to his home.
05:41It was 5 in the afternoon.
05:42He said,
05:42calm down, calm down.
05:44Because I passed
05:44that before.
05:46And my career
05:47won't end.
05:48If I need something,
05:50here I am.
05:50Or I go to your home.
05:51Whatever.
05:52It was a lot of advice.
05:56and he was the person
05:58who put me in line.
06:01He said,
06:01it's better to do it
06:02because otherwise
06:03you will not play well.
06:04You will always be there
06:06with the times
06:07lost.
06:07There are training,
06:08and trips,
06:09and trips,
06:10and you will not be better.
06:11I said,
06:11come with me
06:12and we will grow together.
06:14We will always be together.
06:15You were a good psychologist.
06:16And a good friend.
06:18Very good.
06:19I always say,
06:19my best friend
06:20of all those that I have, and my reference as a person.
06:36It's difficult for a player who has always played in the elite with a lot of pressure,
06:41in the case of him who has injured the two legs,
06:44the problem of running is not here, it's here,
06:47because he uses a lot of the head.
06:49Of course, in the games he played,
06:51with the power of the ball that he had,
06:53and the rapid movements that he did,
06:55little by little you're going to get out.
06:57And that's where he comes from.
06:59He completely breaks one and then the other.
07:03But I think that he has done a lot for football.
07:06He doesn't have to lose.
07:07I have to lose because I always want to play.
07:09But he has been looking for another way to be very close to football,
07:14but being the chief, the one who controls, the one who controls,
07:18and to him he comes very well.
07:19I feel like he never felt nervous before a game.
07:23I've seen images of him before the game,
07:24of important games, of finales of a World Cup,
07:27and he saw him smile.
07:28He felt nervous.
07:28There are people who are born with this gift,
07:31even though the football player is aware of what he did
07:35after he leaves the football.
07:36And you look back and see everything that happened.
07:39And Ronnie wanted to play in the field,
07:41play in the field, play in training,
07:44play in the field,
07:46play in the field,
07:47play in the field,
07:47play in the field,
07:47play in the field.
07:48And I think that his father,
07:51Seunelio,
07:53helped him very much.
07:55There was a good communication
07:57between his father and Sonia,
08:00so that Ronnie,
08:03with everything that exists around him,
08:06he didn't feel more important than the others.
08:08So you,
08:09to your life,
08:10to your world,
08:10if you need something,
08:11we're here.
08:12The reference of Ronnie
08:13has been the family.
08:14And that family
08:15has made him grow as a man
08:17and as a football player.
08:18You arrive to Europe,
08:20you go to the Real Madrid
08:22and he goes to the Barça.
08:24How did you take it?
08:25I don't know if you were mutually
08:26how did you take that separation?
08:28We always talked on the phone,
08:29I wanted a lot of luck.
08:31When we played against him,
08:33I always told him
08:34that if he went to the other side,
08:36and when he approached me,
08:38we started to laugh
08:39during the game,
08:39because people don't see it
08:40on the TV,
08:41but there were reasons.
08:42We started to tell stories
08:43within the game,
08:44but he was very careful
08:45to everything.
08:47It's been very difficult
08:48against him.
08:51And,
08:51less than that,
08:52I'm not central.
08:53I've always been on the left side.
08:55Imagine,
08:55I had to mark a Ronnie.
08:57I suffered.
08:58But I think that
09:00this is Ronaldo.
09:02This reference for the children,
09:03this reference as a person,
09:05the history.
09:07And it's fun
09:07when you go to his house
09:09and you open the door
09:11and you see all the gold medals
09:13and all the titles
09:14that he won.
09:15It's more than merecido.
09:17All the beautiful
09:17that he made in his history,
09:19both in and out of the field.
09:20Roberto, I know
09:21that in the year 2002,
09:22Ronaldo won a gold medal
09:24and you stay in second place.
09:26How did you take this?
09:26I went to his house,
09:28took the ball
09:28and put it in my house.
09:30He said,
09:31look,
09:31I won 4 titles
09:32this season
09:33and you won't win any.
09:34So give me
09:34that this ball is mine.
09:36But I bought a gold medal
09:38to put it in my house.
09:40I was very concerned with him
09:41about that moment
09:41because he was
09:42this whole season
09:43without playing.
09:45But he gave us
09:46the title
09:46of the world champion.
09:48There's nothing better
09:48than that.
09:50I don't have the gold medal
09:51but I have the gold medal.
09:53But it's been him.
09:54I think
09:54for all the difficulties
09:55that has happened
09:56in this recovery.
09:57And in 53 days
09:59of pre-temporary
10:00and the world,
10:01he put two goals
10:02in the final.
10:03He put seven goals
10:04in this world.
10:05And it has given us
10:06the most joy
10:07to the Brazilian champions
10:08that this world champion.
10:09I know that in Brazil
10:10football is a religion.
10:12But I've heard the legend
10:13that four years ago,
10:15when you lost the final
10:15against France,
10:16you almost had to go
10:17to the congressman
10:18to the congressman.
10:19Because that's what
10:20he asked.
10:21There was a CPI
10:22a CPI
10:24to know
10:24what happened.
10:25Because in Brazil,
10:26people believed
10:26that we had sold
10:27the final of the world
10:28to France.
10:30And I was one
10:30of the citations
10:33to declare.
10:34I don't know why.
10:36But Brazil is like that.
10:38When something bad happens,
10:40I always look for a culpable.
10:42I always have been
10:42the culpable
10:43of the defeat.
10:44I take responsibility
10:45because I was one
10:46of the captain.
10:46I also want to tell you
10:48that Ronaldo
10:48was a phenomenon.
10:49It's a phenomenon
10:49of nature.
10:51But he didn't like
10:52to train.
10:53He liked to play
10:54football.
10:54He had to play
10:56hard.
10:57It depends on the day.
10:58On the lunes,
10:59for example,
10:59he didn't like to train.
11:01But on the martes,
11:02on the jueves,
11:03on the weekends,
11:04on the weekends,
11:04on the weekends.
11:05On the lunes,
11:06the problem with Ronnie
11:07was called
11:08the lunes.
11:09But he also trained
11:10a little bit
11:11with us,
11:12for at least
11:13to move a little bit.
11:16Ronnie was very special.
11:18And we,
11:18knowing that he
11:20brought us
11:21the financial bonus,
11:24we had to rest
11:26because we knew
11:27that on the weekends
11:27we would always put
11:28goals.
11:29In the arrival
11:30of Ronaldo
11:31to the Real Madrid,
11:32do you have a lot
11:33to do with that?
11:34Because the legend
11:35said that you
11:36were very excited
11:37when you were in Italy,
11:38when you were in the Barça,
11:40that your dreams
11:41as a footballer
11:42could be fulfilled
11:43in the Real Madrid.
11:44I did.
11:45Right?
11:45But did you push
11:46to reach the Real Madrid
11:48or do you have to do it?
11:48I told you the truth.
11:49I told you the truth.
11:51When you are a symbol
11:52of a club,
11:53of this greatness
11:53that the Real Madrid has,
11:55to your friends
11:56good at football
11:57and the best of the world,
11:59here we have
12:01all the possibilities
12:02to improve
12:03even more.
12:04I have had
12:05the luck,
12:06the fortune,
12:07the joy,
12:08to be able to wear
12:09this shirt.
12:11And of course,
12:11I wanted to have
12:12my friend,
12:12my brother,
12:13to my side.
12:14I just said,
12:16Ronnie,
12:17this club is spectacular.
12:19I understand
12:19that the clubs
12:19that he has played
12:20or that he is playing
12:22are very good,
12:23but the Real Madrid
12:24is unique.
12:25You don't want to know?
12:27I have to be able to do it.
12:28And that's where
12:29the possibilities
12:29came from.
12:30And I was happy
12:31to wear this shirt
12:34in the first
12:35game against the Alavés.
12:36He has put a goal
12:38that control
12:38that he is
12:39my favorite.
12:40I put the ball
12:41to him,
12:41he controls it
12:42inside the area.
12:45And we have
12:46a lot of life
12:47here.
12:47In that
12:48match against the Alavés,
12:49that was his first
12:49match in the Santiago Bernabéu,
12:51he received an ovation
12:52by the people.
12:53It was incredible.
12:54The Bernabéu
12:56idolates
12:56his idols.
12:57I remember
12:58that the people
12:59came to the stadium
12:59two hours before,
13:00two hours and a half,
13:01to see the arrival
13:02of the team
13:02to the stadium,
13:03knowing that Ronnie
13:04was in the autobus
13:05with black crystals.
13:07But the people
13:08knew that he was there.
13:09It was a very special day
13:10for him
13:10and for us.
13:11During the six years
13:13that he was in the Real Madrid,
13:14well,
13:15you already knew him,
13:15but he knew him
13:16and knew him
13:17to Zidane,
13:19to Figo,
13:20to Beckham.
13:20How did he go
13:21to that galactic dress?
13:23He adapted very quickly
13:24because he likes
13:25the games,
13:26he likes to play
13:26he likes to play
13:27as fast as possible.
13:30And the galactic dress
13:31woke up
13:32to greet him
13:33because he knew
13:34that Ronnie
13:34was the only one.
13:35Until today,
13:36the best players
13:37in the world
13:38ask him
13:39what was the reference?
13:40Ronaldo.
13:41Who was the best?
13:42Ronaldo.
13:43Why Ronaldo?
13:44Because he was the only one.
13:45Because he was the only one.
13:46He was the one who gave
13:49the spectacle
13:50and the people
13:51went to the field
13:51to see him.
13:52But the vestuaries
13:53he did so.
13:54He hugged
13:54and he felt
13:55happy.
13:56He learned a little
13:58and learned a little
13:58about the culture
13:59and how he lived here
14:01in Real Madrid.
14:03And I'm happy.
14:05Until today,
14:06I continue to talk
14:06very well about the club
14:07and for us,
14:08it's an enormous
14:10joy
14:11to know
14:12that in the years
14:12that he was here,
14:13he felt like
14:14in his home.
14:14It's true,
14:15Roberto,
14:16that Beckham
14:17learned more
14:17Portuguese
14:18than Spanish
14:18during those years.
14:20He lived close to you
14:21and was all the day
14:22with you.
14:23And at the end,
14:24he managed better
14:24Portuguese than Spanish.
14:25Yes, yes.
14:27I spoke a little
14:28more Portuguese.
14:29But it was fun
14:30to see Beckham
14:31trying to speak
14:32Portuguese
14:32and we were
14:34teachers.
14:36What does that mean?
14:37Now I can't remember
14:38the phrase
14:39that Beckham said
14:40in English.
14:41Because the English
14:42of Beckham
14:42is very closed.
14:43And many times
14:44he didn't understand.
14:45And Ronnie
14:46didn't understand.
14:46the English
14:46I didn't understand.
14:50But Beckham
14:51wanted
14:51to be close
14:52to us,
14:53because of our way
14:54to be.
14:55The Brazilians
14:55are like that.
14:57More close.
14:58More close.
15:00Not that the Spanish
15:01or the French
15:02are not.
15:04The Brazilians
15:05have the habit
15:05of music
15:07to be always happy
15:08and in bad moments
15:09not to show
15:10your friend
15:10or your family
15:11that you are sad.
15:13We have this
15:13ability
15:16to open
15:17a little
15:17of our heart
15:18to a person
15:19who wants to be close
15:20to us.
15:21To always hug them.
15:23It seems
15:23that he liked to go out.
15:25No, he didn't go out.
15:27He had more parties
15:28in his house.
15:30He was more at home.
15:32I remember
15:32when we came here
15:33there were many
15:33paparazzi
15:34from the time of Beckham.
15:35What we did
15:36was to go out
15:36at Ronnie's house
15:37and my house.
15:39So all the people
15:40who were in the house
15:40came to our house.
15:42One day
15:42on Ronnie's house
15:43on Ronnie's house
15:44on Ronnie's house
15:44on Ronnie's house.
15:45And so we were
15:47making the difference.
15:48You were the best
15:49anfitrion.
15:50I see.
15:51We were perfect.
15:54We organized
15:56perfectly well.
15:57The people felt
15:58like if they were
15:58in a discotheque.
15:59But without cameras.
16:01How did you feel
16:01the pressure
16:02of the heart?
16:03Because it's true
16:03that in the time of Beckham
16:05there was much more
16:05more pressure
16:06than ever.
16:07Very calm.
16:08Very calm.
16:09Very calm.
16:09Yes.
16:09We organized well.
16:11It could have been
16:12worse.
16:14But we had to think
16:16very quickly.
16:17Beckham had his life
16:18and us
16:19our own.
16:20Beckham wanted to
16:21have his life
16:22more calm.
16:23He put the car
16:24inside the house
16:25and he felt
16:26very comfortable.
16:26There was a little
16:27pressure.
16:28And I and Ronnie
16:29put one security
16:30in the corner
16:31and another security
16:32in the other.
16:33So when they came
16:34the car
16:35from the paparazzi
16:36they told us
16:36inside the house.
16:37So we stopped
16:37the music.
16:38We disconnected the lights
16:40from the discotheque
16:41and everything was quiet.
16:42Look at that
16:42in the interview
16:45that Ronaldo
16:46united a lot
16:47to the vestuaries.
16:48But then Capello
16:49said the opposite.
16:50He said that
16:50there was a tension
16:51inside the vestuaries.
16:53What happened
16:53in that change?
16:54Ronnie
16:56was in the same way.
16:57Then Capello
16:58was always
16:59very direct.
17:01And we talked
17:03problem
17:03because we
17:04defended a lot
17:05of the player.
17:06We talked to the
17:07mister
17:07and said
17:08I don't understand
17:09because I have to be like this.
17:12But there was never
17:13conflict.
17:14There was never
17:14conflict.
17:15There were always conversations
17:17with the maximum respect
17:18of Ronnie
17:19and us
17:20to the mister
17:21and the mister
17:21at the time of the talk.
17:23I didn't like that.
17:24And then he said
17:25that
17:25he said
17:26he said
17:26I don't understand.
17:27We're going to do it again.
17:28We're going to do it again.
17:29Mister,
17:30You're going to say
17:31the mister
17:31and the people of football
17:33know exactly how it is.
17:34I'm sure
17:35that all the coaches
17:36who are very serious
17:38and are not
17:39leaving home
17:40because they were married
17:40and they were a reference.
17:41It's not fun to find
17:43your players
17:43in a bar
17:44and come to your coach.
17:46When they were young
17:47they did the same.
17:49I guess
17:51I think
17:52it's better
17:52to do it.
17:52But how is it better if you, when you had 26 or 27 years old, did you do the same
17:57thing?
17:58And so it goes, it's normal things in a vestuario.
18:00How do you take the criticism and the pressure that comes through the media?
18:03Because in a moment, Ronaldo starts to criticize for his state of form.
18:07There are periodists who call him Gordo directly.
18:09How do you take him? How do you take him, that pressure?
18:12At that time, I remember we took photos of the periodists who called him Gordo,
18:18and he was more Gordo than Ronaldo.
18:20So we were reing, and it gave us more force.
18:23Always the criticism makes you better.
18:25It's not a criticism towards you.
18:27If someone makes you a comment that is not pleasant after a game,
18:32after a game, your physical way, what are you going to do?
18:35To train more, to animate more, to play better.
18:39In the end, the criticism serves you to grow as a player and as a person.
18:43I have to ask for the curious cut of hair that was done in a moment.
18:47It was a cut of hair, it was ridiculous.
18:48It was ridiculous.
18:51It also says the legend that it was for not to call attention,
18:56like on his physical form.
18:57To not call attention, like that, to focus on the hair.
18:59It was nothing.
19:00This time, the issue of the hair cut was more because of a contract.
19:05He had a contract with a label.
19:07He had a contract with a label.
19:08And that's why people don't know, but I knew.
19:11It was nothing about his physical form.
19:13Ronnie felt like he was with 70 kilos or 90 kilos.
19:17It was the same.
19:18He put that on because it was a superstition.
19:21And at the same time, money in the account.
19:23Ronnie has been the guy who has won the most money in the world of football.
19:27I knew exactly how to do it.
19:30I knew exactly how to do it.
19:31I didn't want people to lose their contracts.
19:34I knew their way of playing and their goals.
19:37I knew that even though, with the time, he came to ask for the hair cut.
19:41Because, of course, many children wanted to do it.
19:44And the mothers were horrorized.
19:45No, mine was not.
19:47More than the ones who are the role of Ronnie.
19:51I think it was a beautiful time.
19:53Because when you saw the images of the children in Brazil with hair cut,
19:59I don't know how a father can stop doing that.
20:02Seriously.
20:04I saw it.
20:05I saw it and I said...
20:08A ver, I have a question that I want to ask you about how fun it was
20:11and how fun it was and how fun it was.
20:12Because it was famous for making some spectacular events like
20:15your wedding with Daniela Ciccarelli.
20:16Yes.
20:17In a castle in France.
20:18Yes, yes.
20:18Is it true that the cure was a actor?
20:20Yes, yes.
20:21Because the people thought it was a real cure.
20:24It was a actor.
20:25Yes, but it wasn't a wedding, it was a event.
20:28It was a big event.
20:30It was a big event.
20:32It was a big event.
20:34It was the third time of Ronnie.
20:38And we went all over there.
20:41But you know that we were players.
20:44And we started to do a mess.
20:47To know how long it was going to be a couple of times.
20:50It was a big event.
20:51That was a big event.
20:51What a big event.
20:52I was like, I think it was before the basketball team.
20:56It was a big event.
20:57I don't remember.
20:58I knew that the weekend the basketball team came out all bad.
21:01And I was so sorry.
21:04And I was so sorry.
21:09I was so sorry.
21:10I was so sorry.
21:13I was so sorry.
21:15No, he's still doing fiestas?
21:16No, now he's a serious person.
21:19Do you ask him of him or of me?
21:20No, look at the two, I ask him.
21:23And he? No, no, no.
21:24No, no, no, no.
21:24No, no, no, no.
21:27Roberto, what are the reasons for
21:31to leave the Real Madrid finally?
21:32Why decide to leave?
21:35It's a decision of each one, right?
21:37I also went to 2007 for a decision of mine.
21:40I think I had given to the club
21:42as a player,
21:43what the club asked me.
21:45And Ronnie has their ideas.
21:48They pass with many players.
21:50When you get everything,
21:51you put it in a list,
21:53I want to be champion of the league,
21:54of the championship,
21:54of the championship,
21:55that Ronnie won't get here.
21:58I want to be the best in the world,
21:59to play with the best.
22:00And he, when he had nothing else to do,
22:02he went to find another solution
22:04and I think he went well.
22:05To find other challenges.
22:06Of course.
22:07That's the best.
22:08Can you be the only one that has left in the Real Madrid
22:10and not have won a championship?
22:12It's possible.
22:14But if he gives me the gold medal,
22:17I give him one of the champions.
22:20It's very easy.
22:21To put it in his museum.
22:24I don't have the gold medal yet.
22:25I have a little one.
22:26But he gives me the gold medal,
22:29and I give him the champions
22:31and I put him there.
22:32No problem.
22:33I'm not sure.
22:34They are terrible the images
22:35in which he starts his shoulder
22:36for the second time.
22:38Could be,
22:38I still remember the screams
22:39in the field for the battle.
22:40The hoop has come to keep up here, right?
22:42The knee is terrible.
22:45I want to ask you,
22:47why did Ronaldo all of that change?
22:48He worried?
22:49Because he was a jovial man,
22:50a eager male tackle.
22:51He had a serious illness
22:52that even his future started up.
22:55He wanted to find the person who had his physio, and he wanted to find the adequate doctor to
23:03put the leg again to work.
23:05He was Bruno Maciotti, if I'm not mistaken, the physiotherapy that he had.
23:09Yes, Maciotti, yes.
23:10And that guy doubled his head.
23:13He suffered, he suffered a lot with him, for the recovery, and Bruno has been one of the
23:21people responsible for putting him in his head.
23:24When the people, the minority, the critics, he put him as ex-jugador, he recuperates,
23:30he puts goals and he's champion of the world.
23:33That's the life of a footballer.
23:34Do you think it's easy to be a footballer?
23:36No.
23:37No.
23:37No, of course.
23:39And then, it's true that he suffers a lot of physical consequences, right?
23:42Muchísimo.
23:42Of the injuries, infiltrations, etc.
23:45I don't do so, because I've never been injured.
23:47You've had a lot of luck.
23:48Caramba.
23:48Yo llegaba antes al balón, saltaba, anticipaba.
23:53Es que Ronnie jugaba mucho de espalda.
23:55Entonces, los movimientos que hacía Ronnie eran completamente…
23:57Yo jugaba siempre de frente.
23:58Y Ronnie tenía que girar el cuerpo, saltar, y muchísimos golpes.
24:03Bueno, de hecho, uno de los motivos que da cuando abandona el fútbol es que no quiere
24:07sufrir más.
24:08Claro, se refiere al sufrimiento físico.
24:09Yo sigo sufriendo, porque sigo en el mundo del fútbol.
24:13Ronnie sufre un poquito, pero hoy él vive una vida completamente diferente de cuando
24:18estaba aquí en el verde.
24:20¿Podría haber llegado mucho más lejos sin esas lesiones, si le hubieran respetado
24:23las rodillas?
24:24No.
24:25No.
24:26Él llegó a su máximo.
24:27Él llegó a hacer todo lo que yo quería hacer.
24:32O sea, yo quería ser como Ronnie.
24:34Y si llegase como Ronnie, yo tenía terminado mi carrera a los 29, 30 años.
24:40Por eso jugué hasta los 39.
24:42Para intentar ser Ronnie, fui alargando un poco la carrera.
24:45¿Te sorprendió el cambio, de repente, de ser jugador de fútbol a presidir un equipo
24:50de fútbol, como es el caso del Real Valladolid?
24:52No, no me sorprendió nada.
24:53Porque yo sabía exactamente que Ronnie era ya un tío de negocios, ¿no?
24:57En todos los viajes que hacíamos, llevaba su ordenador y ahí empezaba a trabajar.
25:01Yo sabía, estaba seguro.
25:03Entrenador, no.
25:04Pero como director deportivo o presidente de un club, yo estaba seguro que eso podría
25:08pasar.
25:09¿Y qué tal?
25:09¿Cómo lo ves haciendo su papel?
25:11Le veo bien.
25:12Le veo bien.
25:13Sufriendo un poco.
25:15Que normal de un presidente, puede ser campeón, sufre la temporada y cuando vas mal,
25:19sufre igual.
25:21Pero le veo preparado para todo lo que él está pensando sobre Valladolid, hacerlo.
25:29¿Buenos fichajes?
25:31Mantener una plantilla con grandes jugadores, buen entrenador.
25:35Parte de marketing muy bien rodeado.
25:39Yo le veo muy bien.
25:40Le veo preparadísimo para crecer más todavía como presidente.
25:44¿Sigues teniendo contacto con él?
25:45Todos los días.
25:46Todos los días.
25:47Excepto cuando él desaparece una semana porque no sabemos si está en Brasil, Ibiza, Valladolid,
25:54Dubái.
25:55Él viaja mucho.
25:55Muchos negocios.
25:57Rony es muy listo, ¿eh?
25:59Ya veo, ya.
26:00Bueno, lo de viajar mucho os ha gustado.
26:01Siempre tengo entendido que en el Real Madrid coincidíais los jugadores en el aeropuerto
26:05privado, donde están los aviones privados, porque tú te ibas a ver Fórmula 1.
26:09Viajabais mucho en aquel entonces, ¿no?
26:10Sí, sí, sí.
26:10En aquella época éramos cuatro o cinco que teníamos la organización.
26:16O sea, si ganásemos los partidos, había viaje.
26:18Si empate o perdíamos, no vamos.
26:21¿Y cómo ganábamos siempre?
26:23Ahora era importante que el partido fuera el sábado para que tú pudieras ver la Fórmula
26:261.
26:27Y si fuera a las cuatro de la tarde, mejor.
26:29Que nos daba tiempo de llegar justamente la presentación de la Fórmula 1 el sábado
26:32por la noche para luego ver la carrera y volver para entrenar.
26:35¿El futuro de Ronaldo está en España o en Brasil?
26:38¿Por qué en más de una ocasión ha dicho que se ve en el futuro en Brasil?
26:41¿Dónde crees que va a acabar?
26:42¿En el Corinthians, por ejemplo?
26:43El Flamengo no sabemos todavía.
26:46Él ha hecho una grandísima estructura en el Corinthians.
26:50Todos sabemos que él es flamenguista también.
26:52De terminar un día ahí como director o presidente del Flamengo.
26:56Pero esos negocios están aquí en Europa, ¿no?
26:59No creo que me va a dejar solo aquí.
27:02Entonces, tengo que quedar aquí en Europa mejor.
27:03¿Tú te imaginas volviendo a trabajar con él en un futuro?
27:05Como en la directiva de un club o algo.
27:09Yo de Madrid no me voy.
27:10Por más que quieran echarme, yo de aquí no me voy porque tengo toda mi vida aquí.
27:14Mi trabajo es aquí.
27:18Y si Ronnie se va a Brasil, yo todas las semanas le mando un bilete de avión con la familia
27:22para venir aquí porque aquí también es su casa.
27:25Y regresar aquí porque aquí es verdad que conserva buenos amigos.
27:28El presidente Florentino es muy buen amigo también de Ronaldo.
27:31Ronnie no tiene enemigos, ¿eh?
27:33Ronnie es una persona que no tiene enemigos.
27:36Y creo que si le llama a alguien, yo voy a visitar, las puertas estarán siempre abiertas.
27:42¿Ni en el Barcelona dejo enemigos?
27:43Ha hecho mucho para el club, no creo que le van a cerrar la puerta.
27:46Ha hecho, ha dado muchos títulos y muchos goles al Barcelona.
27:49Y ahí hay grandísimas personas también.
27:51¿Le llamaban, le apodaban el fenómeno?
27:53Fenómeno, sí.
27:54Supongo que lo seguirá siendo porque ha sido padre después de una vasectomía.
27:57Es nuevo.
27:58Esto es maravilloso.
27:59Por eso que yo no hago.
28:01No tengo miedo.
28:03Pero esto sí que es de fenómeno, además.
28:05Es verdad.
28:06Pero yo creo que nunca, yo sabía, algo con él pasaba porque él cuando me comentó el tema de la
28:12vasectomía,
28:13y le dije, no es posible.
28:15No, que se puede revertir y puede otra vez atar, no sé qué.
28:18Digo, Ronnie, tú no has hecho nada.
28:19Tú tienes un miedo de hacer cirugías.
28:21Ha hecho aquí porque tenía que hacerla.
28:23Pero no creo que ha dado un nudo.
28:28Porque no, a Ronnie no me lo creo.
28:31Ni eso no me lo creo.
28:33¿Hay ahora mismo alguien, algún jugador inactivo que te recuerde a Ronaldo?
28:37¿Tiene algún heredero ahora mismo?
28:39No, cada jugador tiene su forma de jugar.
28:42Hay grandísimos jugadores ahí, tú sabes cuáles son.
28:46Pero igual que Ronnie, no va a haber.
28:50Igual que Ronnie, igual que Pelé, igual que Maradona, igual que Zizú, igual que Zico, Totti, Di Stefano.
28:59No hay.
29:00Son gente única.
29:01Y no va a haber otro igual que Ronnie.
29:03Está en ese Olimpo.
29:04Sí.
29:05Es único.
29:06Yo he tenido la suerte de jugar con él y he visto cosas.
29:09He jugado con muchísimos otros delanteros.
29:10Vanista Roy, Raúl, Morientes, Romario, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo.
29:17Y cada uno con su característica.
29:18Pero número nueve, como hacía Ronnie, no hay.
29:24Roberto Carlos, ha sido un placer, de verdad.
29:26Hemos aprendido mucho de Ronaldo contigo y nos lo hemos pasado muy bien.
29:29Muchas gracias.
29:29Muchas gracias.
29:29Muchas gracias.
29:30Muchas gracias.
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