00:00Now, in what particular portion of the subject video did the respondent utter that she already contracted
00:29a person to kill the President, the First Lady, and the former Speaker of the House of Representatives?
00:47Are you done?
00:48Objection?
00:49Objection, Your Honor.
00:50Whoa.
00:51Kindly state the objection, counsel for response.
00:53Your Honor, the question is misleading.
00:56There was no mention anywhere before that that the video mentioned the killing of the President.
01:06To kill?
01:07Yeah, there's no mention in any testimony earlier.
01:10There's no mention in that video.
01:12Your Honor, again, with all respect, the records will barely be out.
01:17Basis have been more than complied with.
01:21This witness mentioned many times over that the subject of investigation is the statement of the Vice President that she
01:29already contracted a person to kill the President, the First Lady, and the former Speaker.
01:34There's no basis for the objection, Your Honor, please.
01:36Your Honor, may I ask for a readback?
01:39He was the only party who said that, Your Honor.
01:42Can we use the third party in referring to co-posing counsel?
01:45Yes, Your Honor.
01:46If I may, Your Honor.
01:47May I ask, Your Honor, for a...
01:48Let the Council for Defense finish his statement.
01:50May I ask, Your Honor, for a reading of the transcript as the witness, to my recollection, never mentioned that
01:56the Vice President did those things.
01:58All right.
01:59If I may, Your Honor, counsel...
02:00Lay the basis.
02:02Yes, Your Honor, please.
02:03Now, Mr. Witness, you said that your office, the NBI, conducted an investigation for a statement made by the Vice
02:12President noong Nobyembre 23, taong 2024.
02:17Naalala mo yun?
02:18Objection, Your Honor.
02:20Oh.
02:21What is the basis of the objection?
02:23Your Honor, it's leading.
02:24Your Honor, please, if I may, Your Honor, please.
02:26You remember.
02:27Leading, Your Honor.
02:28If I may, Your Honor, please, I'm just giving in to what the defense wants.
02:33The record will bear me out.
02:34This witness mentioned so many times over that he investigated the statement of the Vice President uttering that she already
02:43contracted a person.
02:44The whole nation is listening.
02:46Your Honor, so many words leading.
02:48The chair will make a ruling.
02:49The objection is overruled.
02:52Earlier, the chair noted, I have it in my notes, that the question was propounded by counsel with respect to
02:59the 11-23-24 incident that was the subject matter of a digital forensic examination by the witness pertaining to
03:10the former Vice President.
03:11That was the instance, if the counsel will recall, that counsel for the prosecutors asked the witness if he knew
03:17who the Vice President was.
03:20So the objection is overruled.
03:22Witness may answer.
03:23Your Honor, may I state for the record, my objection is on the part of the question where he said
03:31that the Vice President hired someone to kill the President, the First Lady and the Speaker of the House.
03:40Not on the identification of the Vice President.
03:44Noted.
03:45Court already made a ruling.
03:46Witness will answer.
03:47Mr. Witness, naalala mo ba yung tanong?
03:52Can you repeat the question, sir?
03:54Okay, now.
03:54Kindly repeat the question, counsel.
03:56In what particular portion of the subject video, in that online media conference of the Vice President, did she utter
04:12that she already contracted a person to kill the President, the First Lady, the former Speaker, in what portion?
04:22Objection, Your Honor.
04:24What is the objection?
04:24Your Honor, this Honorable Court already ruled on this question.
04:28The discussion later on was on the leading question made by the prosecutor.
04:34If you recall, Your Honor, this Honorable Court said, prosecutor, please lay the foundation, the basis for your question.
04:42Your Honor, please, if I make a response.
04:45The President officer will ask the witness.
04:46Mr. Witness, out of the two or more so hours of video that you downloaded, do you know if at
04:58all the timestamp that pertains to any statements made by the Vice President pertaining to any of the allegations in
05:06the articles of impeachment, particularly Article 4, the subject matter of this case, in relation to alleged threats made by
05:13her in that video?
05:15Yes, Your Honor, but may I refer to my investigator's note, Your Honor?
05:18You may do so.
05:20You may do so.
05:20You may do so.
05:20Senator Cayetano is the recognition.
05:22The President officer.
05:24Alan Cayetano, sorry.
05:25May I know from the records, is this the first time that the witness mentioned that the Vice President uttered
05:32threats against the President, the former Speaker, the First Lady?
05:38Your Honor, if I may, there was no mention at all, sorry, apologies.
05:42No, because if it's the first time, precisely the rule says that you cannot allow leading questions, whether it's from
05:49the judges, whether it's from the presiding officer, or from the defense, or the...
05:56So, meaning, you lay the basis.
05:57Simply, you ask him, ano yung laman nung video?
06:01Pag binanggit na niya, na may ganito sa laman nung video, then you can ask him na directly what parts.
06:08So, all of us want to expedite it, but let's follow the rules.
06:12So, that's why I'm asking, has this witness, this afternoon, I don't, I missed a portion because I have a
06:19headache and I had to eat before I drink medicine, but I was watching sa TV, but hindi ko pa
06:24narinig na sinabi niya to.
06:26Kasi kung hindi pa niya sinabi, Mr. Presiding Officer, can we just follow the rules and just lay the basis,
06:31ask him kung ano laman ng video, let him testify, tapos pag binanggit na niya, then you can ask him,
06:36hindi na siya leading.
06:37But we shouldn't really ask leading questions because we'll violate the rules.
06:42So, excuse me, but I'll just be very particular when it comes to the rules, and it's not against any
06:47group.
06:48Senator Judge Caetano, it will take some time before we can, quote-unquote, appeal to the records.
06:55I'm trying to have them get it.
06:57But in lieu of that, that's why the chair tried to intervene.
07:01Can counsel kindly lay the basis for the witness to be able to identify the timestamp portions of the two
07:10-hour video?
07:11Counsel for the prosecutors may proceed.
07:13This will be quick.
07:14Mr. Witness, you said that your office conducted an investigation on the statement made by the Vice President dated November
07:2323, 2024, correct?
07:26Objection, Your Honor.
07:27Leadings.
07:28Your Honor, he's not only direct.
07:31Overruled.
07:32Witness may answer.
07:33Yes, sir.
07:35Now, tanong, ano ba, ano ba exactly yung sinabi ng Vice President nung araw na yan, November 23, 2024?
07:50Objection, Your Honor.
07:52I'm not yet done.
07:54Well, Your Honor, the pauses of the prosecution are very confusing.
07:58Can I let the counsel for the prosecutors finish his question before you object?
08:04May I ask, instead of this, Your Honor, may I ask that the Honorable Court direct the witness to allow
08:10me to object before answering?
08:13Because precisely the questioning of the prosecutor is there are many pauses, which it's confusing if he's done or not.
08:24Counsel, witness even on occasion forgot what the question was because he did not respond to the question of the
08:30prosecutor.
08:31Yes, Your Honor, so I just…
08:32Court will make sure of that.
08:34Thank you, Your Honor.
08:35So kindly finish your question if you want to state it again, counsel for the prosecutors.
08:39Maybe it's the tone.
08:40I'll be quick.
08:41What particular statements of the Vice President on that day did you investigate?
08:46Objection, Your Honor.
08:48Vig.
08:49Vig.
09:09I will indulge, Your Honor, please.
09:19I will indulge, I will indulge, I will add these two phrases.
09:23It will never be that.
09:26Now, Mr. Witness, what statements did the Vice President add on that day, if any?
09:34Your Honor, same objection.
09:37There's a two hour, 26 minute.
09:40Let the witness answer.
09:41Counsel, this two hour and so minute video was done on the same day.
09:46Correct, Your Honor, but the question must be given with particularity.
09:51If the witness knows, witness may answer.
09:53Answer.
09:54Answer.
09:55Witness will please answer.
09:57Can I refer for my notes to identify the exact statement because I might said a statement that's not part
10:04of the actual statement?
10:06Signing officer will allow the witness to refer to his notes to refresh his memory.
10:10Go ahead, Mr. Witness.
10:21The specific statement, quote-unquote,
10:26Yes, wag kang mag-alala, ma'am, sa security ko kasi may kinausap na ako na tao.
10:32Sinabi ko sa kanya, kapag pinatay ako, patayin mo si BBM, si Lisa Araneta at si Martin Romualdez.
10:40No joke, no joke.
10:41Nagbilin na ako, ma'am.
10:43Pag namatay ako, sabi ko, wag kang tumigil hanggat di mo sila mapatay.
10:48Hanggat di mo sila mapatay sila.
10:50And then he said yes.
10:52Yes.
10:55Yes.
11:02You
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