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04:36Cảm ơn.
04:37Cảm ơn.
04:39Cảm ơn.
04:39Oh!
04:41Rich was a trip.
04:43The life of the party, at least early in his career.
04:46Then as the years went on
04:48he became a little
04:50crazy.
04:51Crazy how?
04:52He was deep into conspiracy theories.
04:55He had a real thing for cults
04:57and cabals.
04:58Los Angeles does have a pretty dark history.
05:00But Rich took it to the next level.
05:03And his training videos got more
05:05and more intense because of it.
05:06We finally got around to updating the videos this last year
05:08but that caused quite a controversy
05:11with some of the older officers.
05:12They said we were being insensitive.
05:15Why would updating training videos
05:16be insensitive?
05:17Even three years on, a lot of his friends were still mourning
05:20his death and saw the videos as a way
05:22to keep his memory alive.
05:24I'm sorry, I thought Rich died six months ago?
05:26Yeah, he did.
05:27I'm talking about the first time.
05:30Divers are searching for any signs
05:32of retired Los Angeles police officer
05:34Richard Rowley
05:35after a sailing trip gone wrong.
05:38Coast Guard responded to a
05:39distress call this morning from Raleigh's wife
05:41who says the 55 year old
05:43fell overboard after the sailboat
05:45he was captaining was struck by a rogue wave.
05:49Any time someone disappears from a boating trip
05:51it automatically sets off alarm bells.
05:53Why is that?
05:54It's just an ideal place to cover up crime,
05:56throw a body overboard, weigh it down.
05:58The likelihood of us recovering it
06:00before it becomes fish food is low.
06:02And the circumstances were suspicious.
06:05By all accounts Rich was a skilled sailor.
06:07It was a calm day and the only witness
06:08to his demise was Darla Phillips,
06:11his on again off again girlfriend
06:13who he married five days prior.
06:15So you suspected foul play?
06:19Not necessarily, but we couldn't rule it out.
06:21Why wasn't Rich wearing a light vest?
06:23He never did.
06:24He was a strong swimmer.
06:26He must have hit his head.
06:28When he fell.
06:29Why didn't you jump in after him?
06:30I'm scared of dark water.
06:32Dark water?
06:33Water you can't see the bottom of.
06:36Just blackness.
06:37With God knows what lurking below.
06:40You stand to inherit Rich's entire police pension.
06:42That's quite a bit of money.
06:44How dare you?
06:45I just watched the love of my life
06:48die in front of me.
06:50We don't know that for sure yet.
06:52They haven't found his body.
06:54Unless you know more
06:57that you're not telling us.
06:59Go to hell.
07:00This interview is over.
07:01Did it ever occur to you
07:03that Rich might still be alive?
07:04As we said, we couldn't rule anything out.
07:06But there was no evidence
07:07that he'd faked his death.
07:09Until he turned up dead again.
07:11Needless to say,
07:12we had a few more questions for Darla.
07:14Helping someone fake their death isn't a crime.
07:16I checked.
07:17You're right.
07:18But profiting off of that death,
07:19collecting Rich's pension
07:21and his life insurance,
07:22it's fraud.
07:23Not to mention the resources
07:25that were wasted trying to recover his body.
07:27He could be facing some serious charges.
07:29So, tell us.
07:31Why did Rich want to fake his death?
07:35After Rich retired, he kind of fell apart.
07:39His drinking got worse.
07:41And his paranoia...
07:43He was always a little intense.
07:45But it started to get scary.
07:47He covered all his windows with newspapers.
07:51He started writing down the license plates
07:54of passing cars.
07:55What was he so afraid of?
07:56He said there was this group.
07:59Like a secret society
08:02of dangerous and powerful people.
08:04He'd been onto them for years.
08:06And he said that they found out about him.
08:08That he was in danger because of it.
08:10It was too much for me.
08:12So I broke up with him.
08:14And then a year later,
08:15he showed up on my doorstep
08:17and asked me to help him fake his death.
08:21In return for his pension.
08:23I needed the money.
08:24So we got married,
08:26and we did the deed.
08:28And I never saw him again.
08:29So you have no idea why there was a coffin
08:31in his garage?
08:33We'll probably hold this piece of the puzzle
08:35until the end of the first act.
08:37You know, hit the audience with a twist
08:38when it's dramatically expedient.
08:40Yeah, seems manipulative.
08:41Well, all good storytelling is, so...
08:42Look, just...
08:43Tell us about finding the coffin.
08:45Uh, so once I arrived,
08:47and we secured the crime scene,
08:49we cleared the rest of the house,
08:50and then we moved on to the garage.
08:56Oh.
08:57Oh.
08:58You don't think there's...
08:59That there's a body in there?
09:00I absolutely do.
09:02Okay, are we gonna open it?
09:04Because I don't want to open it.
09:06What do you think?
09:07I mean, it's clearly been dug up.
09:10Given the state of the coffin,
09:11it's clearly been underground for a few years.
09:13If there is a body in there,
09:15it's likely long dead.
09:17Unless...
09:17Unless what?
09:19Unless he put a fresh victim in an old coffin.
09:25Oh, okay.
09:26Got it.
09:27Yeah.
09:27Oh.
09:29Oh, God.
09:35The body belonged to a 54-year-old truck driver named Marcus Ford,
09:40who was the victim of an unsolved homicide back in 2020.
09:44How was he killed?
09:45Uh, he was stabbed in the heart.
09:47Just like Rich.
09:49Wait.
09:50Rich murdered Marcus Ford.
09:52Did I just solve the case?
09:53Uh, no.
09:54We were able to alibi Rich out.
09:57He was hospitalized with double pneumonia the day Marcus died.
10:00Medical records say he was so weak that, uh, he could barely get out of bed.
10:04Or that's what he wanted you to think.
10:05Moving on.
10:06Digging up a body is no easy task.
10:08Why would Rich go to all that trouble?
10:10Initially, we thought it was simply the demented act of a clearly disturbed mind.
10:15And in some ways, it was.
10:17But then we found the tattoo.
10:20At first, it was a little bit difficult to make out exactly what it was.
10:23A half a decade of decomp does a number on the skin.
10:27But when we look back at the case file, there was a photo of it taken during the original autopsy.
10:32That's actually kind of sick.
10:33I wonder if there's a way to track down the artist.
10:35I've been meaning to start the sleeve on my other arm.
10:38Like, uh...
10:38To my collaborator's point, lots of people have tattoos.
10:42What was it about this one that jumped out at you?
10:44Well, something about it was familiar to both of us.
10:48But we couldn't place it.
10:49So we started asking around, and the answer couldn't come from a more unlikely place.
10:56I watched the Rich Rally training videos more than any person alive.
11:00So I recognized the symbol immediately.
11:04Sometimes citizens panic when they can't get in touch with their friends or loved ones.
11:08That is why we always advise the public to wait 24 hours before reporting someone missing.
11:14Well, most missing person reports stem from a lapse in communication.
11:18Every once in a while, you'll encounter a true, workable case.
11:22Officer, help! My sister is missing!
11:25When's the last time you saw her?
11:26Last night at the bar. Her boyfriend said she never made it home.
11:30You always want to take a report like this one? Seriously.
11:34So Rich did the same symbol in his training videos that was tattooed on the body of a murder victim.
11:39What did you think that meant?
11:42Uh, I don't know.
11:43I can't believe I'm saying this, but Smitty was right.
11:46In Lesson 187, the tattoo symbol was hidden in the background.
11:50Although, the instructions to wait 24 hours before reporting a missing person are wildly outdated.
11:55Anyways, it got me thinking. What if Rich put messages in other videos?
12:00What kind of messages?
12:02I'm not totally sure yet. I binged every single Rich training video I could get my hands on.
12:06Yeah, it's been a fun few nights.
12:07And I did find a few other possible leads, but there's a problem.
12:11The department's archive is incomplete, and without all of the videos, I can't be sure that I'm not missing a
12:15vital piece of information.
12:16So, what happened to the missing videos?
12:18So, when the training topics and the videos become outdated because of new laws or protocols, the department has to
12:25make new ones.
12:26And obviously, videos are supposed to be digitized and archived for historical record.
12:31But Rich is... were just gone.
12:34Gone and destroyed?
12:35Like a cover-up?
12:36No one's saying that. Most likely, it was a human error.
12:40You know, someone got lazy, didn't archive them.
12:43I tried reaching out to the production company that made the videos to see if they had any copies left.
12:48Bad news is, they went out of business a few years back and auctioned off all their equipment.
12:53What's the good news?
12:54Well, I managed to track down the auction logs, and I actually know the person who purchased the studio's old
13:01hard drives.
13:02Careful, I'm very ticklish. Like the Pillsbury Doughboy.
13:06Same. I hear it's, um, a sign of intelligence.
13:09Is that a fact?
13:10Then I am smart as the dickens.
13:13So, you purchased hard drives from Speak Now Studios?
13:16Yeah, Dropout was still in its infancy.
13:18I was building the company from the ground up.
13:20We had to be smart about how we were spending our money.
13:23We bought a huge amount of equipment secondhand.
13:26Hard drives, cameras, wigs.
13:28Wait, wait. You bought secondhand wigs?
13:30Give them a little shake before we put them on.
13:32That's awesome.
13:33Do you still have that wig connect? Because I'd love a referral. My guy is...
13:38Back on track.
13:38Uh, the hard drives you bought contain police training videos.
13:42Did you happen to watch any of them?
13:43Of course. Rich Rowley, right?
13:45We were obsessed with those videos.
13:47We probably watched them like a dozen times.
13:50I'm Rich Rowley, and this is Survive the Streets.
13:53That's great.
13:54Vic can do the best impression.
13:55Do you think you'd be able to make copies for us?
13:58I totally would, but I can't because we wiped all of those hard drives to use as servers months ago.
14:04Sorry, I couldn't be a more help.
14:06You'll still feature this interview, right?
14:10Yeah, probably not.
14:11Wait, you said you and the Dropout crew watched the video like dozens of times, right?
14:16Yes, sometimes on an edible, mostly sober.
14:19I have an idea.
14:20Okay, so then you'd be like, don't forget to check the closet, you'll die.
14:23So, I don't know, so...
14:23I think it's a little bit more like, like, if you forget to check the closet, Freddie, Jason, and Chucky
14:28will rip off your scrud!
14:29Okay, I think there's less foot stuff. I feel like he's like, and then your crazy met the ex-girlfriend
14:35who's been hiding in the hallway closet will chainsaw your face when you get home because you forgot to clear
14:40the room!
14:41Clear the room!
14:42Check the room!
14:43I think he was so close to pulling out a gun!
14:45I'm rich!
14:45What are you guys doing?
14:46That's a great question.
14:47They're, uh, they're reenacting the police training videos since you guys wiped them off your hard drive.
14:50Oh, the Rich Rowley ones! Those are so funny.
14:53I actually stole one of the hard drives so I can watch it when I'm in the tub.
14:56Can you talk about your time, man?
14:57A little self-care, you know, trying to relax a little more.
15:00It's not working.
15:01Can we have it?
15:02If you want to borrow it, I could, you know...
15:03No, I think this is actually working great.
15:06You could.
15:06Okay.
15:06We can keep this up.
15:08Clearing the room!
15:09Help us.
15:09Okay, I finally finished watching all of the Rich training videos and there is a lot.
15:14Um, take lesson 277.
15:17Ah!
15:18Ah!
15:18Ah!
15:19Ah!
15:20My Azaleas!
15:22A cold case where victim Azalea Robinson was found stabbed near a ski resort.
15:27You're kidding.
15:28No.
15:29And in lesson 290, Rich is holding a folder with a post-it note on the back with a brown
15:33star drawn on it.
15:35I'm lost.
15:35Right.
15:36So, I looked up the cold cases to see if there were any victims with names like Star or Stella,
15:42and there was one hit, Stella Brown, also found stabbed in the chest.
15:46In all, Lucy found clues pointing to seven different cold cases.
15:51But why was Rich hiding the names of murder victims in police training videos?
15:55Based on what we could piece together, he believed he had stumbled upon a conspiracy, a series of connected murders
16:00committed by person or persons unknown.
16:02If that were the case, why not just report his suspicion?
16:05He was a cop for 30 years.
16:07Well, Rich had a bit of a reputation within the department for, shall we say, magical thinking.
16:14So, unfortunately, his theory was dismissed out of hand.
16:18But why did he think the murders were connected?
16:19Well, for starters, they were all stabbed in the chest.
16:22But more importantly, each victim was found with a penny either in or on their person.
16:26What do you mean, in?
16:27One had a penny in her stomach.
16:29Another had one shoved up his nose.
16:32Stella Brown lucked out.
16:33Hers was just clasped in her hand.
16:35And when we reexamined Marcus Ford's corpse, the Emmy found one inserted into the heel of his left foot.
16:42Why?
16:42Did we mention that they were all minted in 1930?
16:45Okay.
16:46Well, I just got goosebumps.
16:47Rich's autopsy also revealed that he had swallowed close to 50 pennies before he died.
16:52Gross.
16:52So, at this point, was your theory...
16:54I actually have no idea what their theory would have been.
16:56Yeah, well, I would tell you, but we were way off the mark.
16:59Which we were about to discover when we got access to his cloud account.
17:05Okay.
17:06I may have finally found it.
17:09I am so close to getting some real answers.
17:14See that?
17:27Oh, my God!
17:31Oh, wow.
17:35Oh, my God, no, no!
17:40A guy pretending to be dead
17:42Breaking into a secure military facility
17:45Doesn't seem like the best idea
17:46No, he wasn't just breaking into any military facility
17:50It was Area 67
17:51What does that mean?
17:53That's where the government keeps the aliens
18:02So Rich broke into a secret government base
18:05On the hunt for a massive conspiracy
18:07Then stabbed himself in the chest
18:08I mean, at that point, it's obvious what happened
18:10Is it?
18:11Come on
18:11Remember what Rich said right before he died?
18:14I can't die!
18:15It's inside of me
18:16It won't let me die!
18:18Yeah, I'm not following
18:19Rich was exposed to an alien parasite
18:23It was inside him
18:24Were you familiar with Area 67?
18:27I'd heard of it, yeah
18:29There's this AM radio station
18:31I used to listen to back in Foxburg
18:33Kept me awake when I was working late
18:35The host was obsessed with UFOs
18:38Val's Velvet Bunker?
18:39That's the one
18:40He was a little bit out there
18:42But always entertaining
18:43Area 51 is theater
18:46Do you believe
18:48Do you really believe
18:50The most secretive military installation in the world
18:53Would let itself become a tourist attraction?
18:56No, no, no, no
18:57Area 51 is the distraction
19:00Area 67 is the real deal
19:02You know why California has all those earthquakes?
19:05It's not San Andreas fault, my friends
19:08It's the sonic resonance from Area 67's underground testing chambers
19:13Did you believe in his theories?
19:15No, no
19:16Like I said, just entertainment
19:18Let's hear from a caller
19:19Hi, name's John
19:21Long-time listener
19:21Fourth-time caller
19:22Hey, John from Foxburg
19:24Welcome back
19:25What have you got for us tonight?
19:26I swear to God
19:27I just saw a UFO
19:31John is such a common name
19:34I'm open to the possibility of extraterrestrial life
19:36You are?
19:37Yeah
19:38I mean, it's a big universe
19:39Anything could be out there
19:40I don't know
19:41People who claim to have seen aliens
19:43Tend to be a little off
19:45You were friends with the corpse, right?
19:46Well, yeah
19:47We were more than friends
19:47But fair enough, okay
19:50Legally?
19:50Is it necrophilia if she only did over-the-closed stuff?
19:53That's a great question
19:54Oh, I definitely believe
19:55In fact, I've been abducted by aliens
19:59Really?
20:01Multiple times
20:02Apparently, I'm a fascinating subject
20:05I remember the last time Smitty was abducted
20:08Turns out he partied too hard in Vegas and woke up in Wisconsin
20:12Missing time
20:13One of the hallmarks of alien abductions
20:17Had been stricken
20:18Point is, the government had little gray men in their secret labs for decades
20:24What are they doing with them?
20:26They're implanting the aliens in unsuspecting hosts and taking over their bodies
20:30You just never know who might be one of them
20:35Some people in the station believed Rich stabbed himself to kill an alien parasite
20:39But I wouldn't say that was a dominant theory
20:43It wasn't long before we figured out Rich believed something darker
20:47And it was connected to the seven murders
20:49Then why did Rich break into the army base?
20:52Yes, I remember the incident
20:54Rich Rowley cut through a fence
20:56He trespassed on government property
20:58He was promptly apprehended and sent on his way
21:00Do you have any idea what Rich was looking for?
21:03Uh, as it turns out, he was looking for me
21:06But not because of any alleged aliens
21:09So why did he come?
21:13Uh, this part is, uh, is a little bit embarrassing
21:16Um, before I found my calling in the military
21:19I thought that I wanted to be an actor
21:22And, uh, I was in a few DTV movies
21:25What's DTV?
21:26You're so young
21:27Uh, direct-to-video
21:29They made all these super cheap movies back in the 80s and 90s
21:33You make them as cheaply as possible
21:34And then hope that someone was drawn in enough by the cover art to rent them
21:39A guy can't have a side gig?
21:41Totally
21:42How did you get into acting?
21:43Some director scouted me when I pulled him over
21:46He said I had a bitchin' bod
21:48Well, he wasn't wrong
21:50But I gave it up
21:51Because the people of this city needed a savior
21:55Yeah, you are the model of public service
21:58Right?
21:59Anyway, Rich became interested in this terrible B-movie
22:03Uh, that I was in
22:04I played a monk
22:05It was called
22:07300 Days of Hell
22:12Terrible B-movie?
22:13That's what he called it?
22:14300 Days of Hell is the scariest film of the 1990s
22:17Really?
22:18The Ring, Scream, Blair Witch Project?
22:20Which one of us executive produced a horror movie?
22:22Trust me
22:23T-H-D-O-H is true nightmare fuel
22:26It's not that scary
22:28She made me watch at the beginning of our relationship
22:30When he was still trying to impress me
22:34You want to watch it again tonight?
22:36I would
22:38Totally
22:38I do have plans, though
22:42Yeah, I'm not watching that crap
22:44Even if it is for a case
22:45I-I see enough horror on the job
22:47That being said
22:48300 Days of Hell
22:50Was our first real window
22:52Into the rabbit hole that Rich had gone down
22:54A rabbit hole filled with demons
22:55Or rather, a demon
22:58So Rich believed a demon had killed all those people?
23:00No, the killers were definitely human
23:02Killers, plural?
23:03Yeah, there was different trace DNA on all the bodies
23:06All from different subjects
23:07And none of them were in the system
23:09Meaning?
23:10The murders were committed by a group of people with shared beliefs
23:14A murder cult
23:15The cult believed a demon named Malifus
23:17Had been possessing people all across the city
23:19Jumping from host to host
23:21And it was up to them to stop it
23:31The legend of Malifus is centuries old
23:34The first mention we see of him
23:36Is 1433's Lesser Grimoire of Solomon
23:40By Slovenian Inquisitor
23:42Terentius Bruma
23:43A reference text
23:45Of demons and their attributes
23:47Gnarly
23:48Right?
23:49He's also known as the deceiver
23:52The infestor
23:53And demon of 300 days
23:55Why?
23:55Once summoned to earth
23:56Malifus won't rest
23:57Until he finds a human host
23:59After possession begins
24:01He incubates
24:02300 days
24:04What happens after 300 days?
24:06He reaches full strength
24:08And his power becomes uncontainable
24:11Uh-oh
24:14Um, if Malifus was summoned to earth
24:16How would one stop him?
24:18Bruma suggests killing the host
24:20Might slow Malifus down
24:21Forcing him to regenerate
24:23Before he can find a new host
24:25A process that also can be slowed
24:27By the use of copper
24:30It was the pennies
24:32The pennies
24:32It all came back to the pennies
24:34Before 1984
24:35U.S. pennies were 95% copper
24:38So the copper in the pennies
24:39Was meant to bind the demon
24:40But what about the 1930 part?
24:42Uh-are you familiar with numerology?
24:46Some ancient peoples
24:48And Taylor Swift
24:50Believed there was a mystical connection
24:52Between letters and numbers
24:54Using the Chaldean method
24:56The name Malifus
24:57Becomes a digit 1930
24:59So you're saying
25:00We had a theory
25:01Whoever killed those people
25:03Believed the victims
25:04Were possessed by Malifus
25:06They had to reach Malifus' host
25:09Before he reached his true form
25:11A 1930 penny was the perfect tool
25:13Yeah
25:14Rich's talk of
25:15It's inside me
25:16It won't let me die
25:17He thought he was infested
25:18By this demon too
25:19And that's why he killed himself
25:21Wait
25:22I thought Rich didn't believe in Malifus
25:24Isn't that why he was trying
25:25To stop the cult?
25:26Yes
25:26But I mean
25:27Years of obsession and paranoia
25:29Can do a number on a person's psyche
25:30I mean it seems as though
25:31In the end
25:32Rich could no longer
25:33Distinguish fantasy from reality
25:35And you got this theory
25:36From Rich's files?
25:37Well I mean
25:37We actually got it from Malifus
25:39And they say
25:40Watching old horror movies
25:42Isn't a good use of time
25:43I never said that
25:52Are we safe brother?
25:55Is Malifus banished?
25:57His sigil is drawn
25:58The right is spoken
26:00We have sealed his last human vessel
26:03With copper
26:11Heaven forgive us
26:12Indeed
26:15For hell will not
26:19Midnight
26:20The three hundredth day
26:23Our task was done
26:25None too soon
26:52Yeah
26:53That was me
26:57Do you guys want a glass?
26:58You got anything stronger?
27:01Fine I'll just take a glass
27:04Okay I'll just
27:05I'll have nothing
27:05Actually
27:06No fun for me
27:07Yeah
27:08That was
27:09My first big movie role
27:11Well my only one
27:13Really
27:15Rich was so excited
27:16When I told him
27:17I booked it
27:18He helped me run lines
27:19Did Rich buy into
27:21The Malifus mythology?
27:22No
27:23Weirdly
27:23Given all the conspiracies
27:25That Rich believed in
27:26He was a total atheist
27:28But I wouldn't have blamed him
27:30After everything
27:30That happened on that shoot
27:32Like what?
27:35Before production wrapped
27:36The DP was paralyzed
27:38Driving to set
27:39A stunt person
27:40Had his leg amputated
27:41There were divorces
27:43Bankruptcies
27:43Careers ended
27:44One of the actors
27:45Even died
27:47In his hotel room
27:48People say
27:49The production was cursed
27:51What about you?
27:52What do you believe?
27:53I believe the real curse
27:55Was the director
27:57He was a reckless maniac
27:59That didn't know
28:00How to run a set
28:00Cuts!
28:02Cuts!
28:03Arthur!
28:04Arthur!
28:05Your strangulation
28:06It has to be
28:08Real
28:09I want to feel
28:10The life draining
28:11From him
28:11And you
28:12You
28:12You cannot
28:13Move
28:14From your position
28:15Not even an inch
28:16Guys
28:17This ritual
28:19Is extremely specific
28:21Okay?
28:22Let's go again
28:23Okay
28:23I thought I was choking
28:25You pretty well
28:25I'm sorry
28:26Okay
28:26I'm going to choke
28:27You a little harder
28:27Ready?
28:28Douglas was real touchy
28:29About the religious stuff
28:30I guess he had grown up
28:32In some sort of commune
28:33And this was all based
28:34On stories he was told
28:35Growing up
28:36Okay
28:36But what I heard
28:37Is that they accidentally
28:38Summoned Malefic for real
28:40The director found
28:41Some ancient tome
28:42And inserted the incantation
28:44And rituals verbatim
28:46Ooh
28:46I love that
28:47And that's what got me
28:48Thinking about the penny killings
28:50We found the first victim
28:51Just a little under 300 days
28:53After the summoning ritual
28:54Was filmed
28:55We knew Rich was aware
28:56Of the Malefic legends
28:57It was only natural
28:58To link them
28:59So Rich thought
29:00That penny victims
29:01Were killed by people
29:02Trying to stop Malefic
29:03Was he able
29:04To identify any
29:05Of these killers
29:05We know he tried
29:08Hi
29:08Hey
29:09How are you
29:09Jared
29:10Hello
29:12It's a pleasure
29:14To meet you gentlemen
29:14Pleasure to meet you too
29:16Why don't you tell us
29:17About yourselves
29:17Yeah
29:18We
29:19Co-starred
29:20On a TV show
29:22Together
29:22For 15 seasons
29:24Called Supernatural
29:26Yeah
29:26We played Sam
29:27And Dean
29:28Winchester
29:28Brothers
29:29That
29:30You know
29:31Tracked
29:31And fought
29:32Supernatural beings
29:34Like K-pop demon hunters
29:35No
29:36No
29:36Not like that
29:37I mean
29:38You're kind of like that
29:40Okay
29:41Can you tell us about
29:42Your encounter with Rich Rowley
29:43Yeah
29:44Yeah
29:44Yeah
29:44Rich Rowley
29:45He came to a fan event
29:48We did last year
29:49At MonsterCon
29:51Yeah
29:51Most people show up
29:52And they just want
29:53The autograph
29:54For a photo
29:56But Rich was
29:58A different beast
29:59Altogether
30:00Yeah
30:01Yeah
30:01He was
30:01He was
30:02Super fixated
30:03On this one
30:04Particular episode
30:05Where we
30:05Fought a demon
30:06Malifus
30:07Yeah
30:08That one
30:09Anyway
30:10He seemed to think
30:11We
30:11Like knew
30:12More
30:13About it
30:14Than we were saying
30:15More about what
30:16Demon hunting
30:17He kept like
30:18Asking these
30:19Super pointed questions
30:21Like
30:21Like he was
30:22I don't know
30:23Testing us
30:24Or something
30:24Did you have an answer
30:25No
30:26No
30:27I mean we didn't
30:28We didn't come up
30:29With these stories
30:29You know
30:30We just did what
30:30The writers wrote
30:31It's called acting
30:32There's no actual
30:34Demon hunters
30:34In real life
30:35Exactly
30:36Uh
30:36That's not
30:37Exactly true
30:38There is
30:39At least
30:40One
30:40And it
30:41Actually connected
30:42To the movie
30:44We heard the director
30:45Brought a priest
30:46Named Father Simon McCabe
30:47To bless the set
30:48Every day
30:49Before filming
30:49Well it was either that
30:50Or the whole crew
30:51Was going to walk
30:52Does that name mean
30:53Anything to you
30:56About 15 years ago
30:57Lopez and I had just
30:58Finished our rookie years
30:59We responded to
31:00Call it a house
31:01Of a priest
31:03Doing an exorcism
31:03With a 16 year old girl
31:04Had been going on
31:05For three days
31:09Police
31:12Help her
31:13Please
31:16Please
31:19Get away from her
31:24Father forgive me
31:34Did you feel like
31:36You'd seen the devil
31:36The only thing in that room
31:38That belonged in hell
31:38Was Father Simon
31:39He kept saying
31:40He had to
31:41The whole way
31:42To the station
31:43I'm sorry
31:43I had to
31:44I'm sorry
31:45I had to
31:46Because he believed
31:47She was possessed
31:47She had a brain tumor
31:49That's what they found
31:50After the autopsy
31:51She needed a doctor
31:52Not an exorcism
31:53And he wasn't a man of God
31:55He was a killer
31:56The courts agreed
31:57So Father Simon
31:58Was convicted
31:59Of first degree murder
32:00When we processed him
32:02We found a penny
32:02In his pocket
32:03Nothing else
32:04Just a penny
32:04Didn't mean anything
32:05At the time
32:06But after Rich
32:07Connected those seven murders
32:08It seemed likely
32:09He was involved
32:10Involved
32:11Like he killed them
32:11No
32:12Simon was already
32:13In prison
32:14When five of the murders
32:15Took place
32:15And his DNA
32:16Didn't match any
32:17That was found
32:18On the corpses
32:19But he could have been part
32:20Of whatever group
32:21Rich was so afraid of
32:22Which means he knew
32:23More than he had told us
32:25So we had to go back
32:28Officers
32:29I remember you
32:30You were the ones
32:31Who tried to stop the ritual
32:32I just wish
32:33We would have gotten here sooner
32:33Becca Scott might still be alive
32:35Oh she was long gone
32:37Before you arrived
32:38Demon saw to bat
32:40Malifus
32:42Do not say its name
32:43In my presence
32:44Boy are you afraid
32:45We might accidentally summon it
32:47You may scorn me
32:49And my beliefs
32:50But I have fought this evil
32:51I know enough
32:52To fear its power
32:54What's more evil
32:55Than murdering a child
32:56I took no pleasure
32:57In the act
32:59I'm grateful
32:59I had the courage
33:00To do what was necessary
33:01Courage
33:02Tell us about the penny
33:03That was in your pocket
33:05In the movie
33:06300 Days of Hell
33:07Malifus is sealed
33:08Inside his host
33:08With copper
33:09Before he can be killed
33:11Banished
33:11Not killed
33:12What's the difference
33:14The demon is a
33:16Parasite
33:17It needs a host
33:19Once you kill the body
33:20That inhabits it
33:20Find a new one
33:22Becca Scott was just
33:24A single battle
33:25In a larger war
33:26If you're in here
33:28Who's doing the fighting now?
33:31The Knights of Avila
33:33Los Angeles has a long history
33:35Of spiritualism
33:37Esoteric religions
33:38That go back
33:38Over a hundred years
33:39So think
33:40Aleister Crowley
33:41Jack Parsons
33:42L. Ron Hubbard
33:43He freaking loves this stuff
33:44I do
33:45Anyway
33:46A lot of these groups
33:47Started out as fraternal orders
33:49Similar to the Freemasons
33:50Where people would gather
33:52And share
33:53Men
33:53Well yeah
33:54Yes
33:54And some women
33:55And they would share new ideas
33:58Explore philosophies
33:59They also liked partying
34:01Doing drugs
34:02And performing weird sex rituals
34:05Sign me up
34:07For the intellectual exchanging of ideas
34:10Obviously
34:10So the Knights of Avila
34:12Is one of these groups
34:13It was
34:13Like a lot of the similar organizations
34:15At the time
34:16It fell apart when the founder died
34:17It hasn't been active in 60 years
34:20Then what was Father Simon talking about?
34:22Based on Tim and Lopez's conversation
34:24With Father Simon
34:25We began to believe
34:26That the group
34:27Or at least the name
34:29Had been revived
34:30Sometime in the late 90s
34:32To the early 2000s
34:33And rebranded
34:35As some kind of
34:36Demon hunting cult
34:38So Rich was actually right
34:40There was a murderous cabal after him
34:42It seemed that way
34:43And we were getting close
34:45To discovering
34:46Who their ringleader was
34:50I found him
34:51Found who?
34:52Doug Roberts
34:53I want to fill a life
34:54Training for him
34:55Oh, you mean the director
34:56Of this sad little demon porn?
34:57Where?
34:58I was going through
34:58Some old industry trades
34:59From around the time
35:01THDOH was slated to come out
35:02One of the articles
35:03Mentioned that Roberts
35:04Was a client of Stuart Wynecliffe
35:06At the Golden Talent Agency
35:07The guy hasn't made a movie
35:08In 26 years
35:09I doubt they still rep him
35:10Not actively, no
35:12But I called their offices
35:13And I bribed
35:14They were like
35:14I talked one of the assistants
35:16Into giving me the address
35:17Where his residual checks are sent
35:18It's downtown
35:19Let's go
35:19Uh, hold on
35:21You just want to go doorstep the guy?
35:23If that means go knock on a door
35:24While also filming
35:25Then yes
35:25Yeah, I'm not in the business
35:26Of gotcha journalism
35:27What about the business
35:29Of making that paper?
35:31The guap?
35:33Money, guy
35:34Come on
35:34The doc business
35:35Is oversaturated these days
35:36We need footage
35:37That P.O.P.'s
35:39And what pops more
35:40Than blindsiding
35:40A potential cult leader?
35:43Come on
35:43What's the worst
35:45That could happen?
35:47This is it
35:48Okay
35:50Um, uh, here
35:50Here's your camera
35:52Um, I don't operate
35:53Oh
35:54Well
35:57Now, you do
36:01Let's go
36:03What floor is it on?
36:05Eight
36:05But, uh, there's an elevator
36:07Don't worry
36:14Are you sure it's that way?
36:16Yep
36:17Nope
36:18You know
36:19At the risk of being called a scaredy cat
36:22You do understand
36:23That this is inherently
36:24Neither a wise nor safe activity
36:26You're asking a woman
36:28If she understands
36:29That it's inherently dangerous
36:30To go anywhere
36:31Or do anything?
36:33When you put it that way
36:34I sound like an ass
36:36I truly
36:37Well, that's a new one
36:38Do you doubt me?
36:39Maybe we should
36:40Come back?
36:42Hey, hello
36:43Douglas Roberts
36:44We're here to question you
36:45About murders and demons
36:47That should get his attention
36:49Oh
36:51I am just an intern
36:57So
36:58Clearly we're not deceased
37:00Which means
37:01We saved you from certain deaths
37:03I'm not sure how certain it was
37:04Right
37:04Oh, it felt pretty certain to me
37:06Please don't kill us
37:07We will join your cult
37:08Is there a membership fee
37:10Or a secret handshake?
37:11I love a secret handshake
37:12Ignore her
37:12She's not right in the head
37:13In fact, she has short-term memory issues
37:15So if you let her go now
37:16She won't remember any of this
37:17Just shut up
37:18No one's going anywhere
37:19I mean, technically
37:20We're all going somewhere
37:25All right, let him go
37:26Get your hands up
37:28Up against the jeep now
37:30Let's go
37:38Thanks for trying to save me
37:40Even though I'm the one who put us in danger
37:42No problem
37:44I was about to do the same thing
37:45But you just, uh, beat me to it
37:48I can be noble, too
37:49No doubt
37:50Yeah
37:51I get very claustrophobic
37:52Can I just point out how claustrophobic I get, please?
37:54So when did you and Douglas meet?
37:57In the movie
37:58He was, you know, so commanding and driven
38:01And everything I wasn't
38:03When did he start talking about killing the demon?
38:05It was, uh, at least a year after that
38:08He would call me late at night
38:11And talk about the demon
38:12And how scared he was for the world
38:14And eventually it started to make sense
38:17And he told you that someone was possessed?
38:20Correct
38:21Her name was Cynthia
38:23Um, she cried when I tied her up
38:25And she kept saying that she was not a demon
38:29She begged me to believe her
38:31And...
38:35At that point he was very deep in my head
38:39And then tonight, you know, all the lies he was spewing at the end
38:43It was like somebody turned on a light switch
38:44I could just see him for who he was
38:47So pathetic
38:52We'll need you to write up a detailed confession
38:59I would like to make a deal
39:02Uh, we have already located your co-conspirators
39:05You don't really have anything to offer
39:09You don't want to know what an alien's bishop looks like?
39:13I am all that stands between the world
39:17And damnation
39:18So all of the people that you had targeted
39:20They had to die
39:22For the greater good
39:24Yes
39:25And my heart breaks
39:26For each of them
39:28But I will not let innocence
39:30Fall to perdition
39:31Okay
39:31Have you had your fill of BS?
39:34God, yes
39:34Okay, me too
39:35So, uh, first victim
39:39Cynthia Green
39:39You dated for two years before she cheated on you
39:42Marcus Ford
39:43He worked as a teamster on your movie
39:45Then later sued you for non-payment
39:47Pamela Jones
39:49Wrote a scathing review of your movie
39:52Really?
39:53I had no idea
39:54All seven victims were people who wronged you in some way
39:58You don't even believe in the demon
40:00You just used it as a tool to get people with weak minds
40:03To do your dirty work for you
40:07Exactly
40:08I was the director
40:09I think you'll find
40:10I never laid a finger on any of the victims
40:14And I think you will find that Manson died in prison
40:20All right, uh, anything else?
40:23No, I think we got everything
40:25Okay
40:27That was a crazy one, huh?
40:28Tell me about it
40:29And look, thanks so much for all of your time
40:31And for saving our lives
40:33Anything from my favorite documentarian?
40:35Actually, the only documentarian I know
40:36Not true
40:37I'm a documentarian, too
40:38Of course
40:39Yes
40:39Oh, speaking of
40:40How did this whole, uh, working together thing go?
40:44Is this the start of a beautiful friendship?
40:46I don't know
40:47I mean, we have very different styles
40:49And instincts
40:51And, well, basically everything
40:52But I'd be open to another collaboration
40:57Oh, um
40:59It's just
40:59I, uh, I kind of signed an exclusive three-film deal with Hulu
41:04What?
41:05Yeah
41:05I, um, I sent them a sizzle reel of this project
41:07Just the me parts
41:08And, uh, they freaked
41:09Said I'm gonna be the new face of true crime
41:12Their words
41:12Wow, I mean, you'd probably be able to bring him along, though, right?
41:17Oh, totally
41:18Totally
41:21I gotta go
41:22But, uh, thanks again
41:24Hello?
41:25No, I said Toronto and then camp
41:29She'll probably call you
41:39Who is so
41:40I love it
41:44That's okay
41:45Well, it's probably
42:01Just see that
42:08It's
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