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اروپا امروز: گفت‌وگوی اختصاصی وبر با یورونیوز همزمان با سفر فون درلاین به باکو

مانفرد وبر، رئیس حزب مردم اروپا، در حالی به طور اختصاصی با یورونیوز گفت‌وگو می‌کند که اورسولا فون درلاین، رئیس کمیسیون اروپا، برای تقویت نفوذ اتحادیه اروپا در منطقه ای که معمولا در حوزه روسیه بوده، به جمهوری آذربایجان سفر کرده است.

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00:14Good morning, it is Wednesday the 1st of July. I'm Maeve McMahan and this is Europe Today.
00:20Your daily update of European news and analysis, live here on Euronews.
00:25Coming up from roads melting, tram tracks buckling to mounting deaths and heat stress, Europe's heatwave is intensifying.
00:32This as a deal to permanently end the war in the Middle East and resolve the energy crisis remains elusive.
00:38For the view from the European Parliament's biggest and most powerful political group, we'll be joined exclusively here on set
00:44by the President of the European People's Party, Manfred Weber.
00:47Plus, Ireland takes over the rotating presidency of the Council of the European Union today.
00:53For the next six months, the Irish government will chair 280 meetings and help steer the Union's legislative agenda.
01:00We'll be crossing live to Dublin Castle to speak to Ireland's European Affairs Minister Thomas Byrne, where Ukraine's President Zelensky
01:06has also arrived today for the ceremony.
01:09And in an attempt to stop the desertification of Europe's high streets, the EU will from today impose a three
01:15euro fee on small parcels from China, mainly platforms such as Sheen and Teemu.
01:21The aim, of course, is to curb the flow of cheap imports and encourage consumers to think twice about how
01:27they shop.
01:28But first, Europe's deadly heatwave has broken records in the east of the continent.
01:33And although millions of northern and southern Europeans are enjoying some fresh air this week, temperatures are set to rise
01:39this weekend, putting infrastructure and public services under increasing strain.
01:43And the issue is also becoming increasingly political.
01:47We can debrief now here on set with our Europe editor, Maria Tadeo.
01:50Good morning, Maria.
01:51Just tell us, what is the latest on the temperatures front and also on the political debate around it?
01:55Well, certainly.
01:56Good morning, Maeve.
01:57Because it is political, it's about the politics of climate, but also the politics around policy when it comes to
02:04the Green Deal.
02:04And as you say, when you look at the temperatures, they are going up again, they will be picking up
02:09in the Iberian Peninsula, in France, here too, in Belgium, parts of Germany, Switzerland.
02:15So we see now going into the weekend, we're looking at around 30 degrees Celsius.
02:20Of course, the big question now, and this is a key matter, it's not a trivial question, is whether this
02:25heatwave, this pickup in temperatures, would look similar in intensity and length compared to the one that we just came
02:33out from on June 21st.
02:34I remember we had almost seven days of temperatures that smashed records, but also put a lot of strain, under
02:41strain, public transportation and also health care.
02:44When you look at the reality of this, this is not a trivial matter, and this is not a question
02:48of, well, it's summer, so obviously the temperatures will go up.
02:52The figures show us that from June 21st until now, there was an excess death rate of 1,300 people.
02:58So this has become a real question of public health.
03:02What the experts also suggest is that when you look at heatwaves, they are becoming more pronounced, but also more
03:08regular.
03:08And a lot of this, to go back to an initial point, which is the politics around this, the idea
03:13of very hot summers, the air conditioning, again, that has crystallized a debate among those who say there is a
03:20necessity now in Europe.
03:22These temperatures will become the new normal.
03:24And there is also a question of comfort, the idea of mass installation of air conditioning, using it more.
03:30Remember, for many years, it was vilified in Europe to install air conditioners all over the place.
03:35It's not a concept that is very natural, organic for Europeans versus those who now say, if you believe the
03:42way to fix these temperatures.
03:43Again, I go back and point to Teresa Rivera, for example.
03:47She is the executive vice president of the commission, but also a very outspoken European climate advocate.
03:52She says, if you believe the way to deal with this is just to install AC, there is a fundamental
03:57issue.
03:57And all of that also picks up on the question of the Green Deal.
04:01The Europeans made a pledge in 2019 to cut emissions.
04:04The question now is, can this Green Deal, as it was created, and obviously to see the benefits of it,
04:09there will be time, a money that will have to be invested.
04:13Can it be sustained?
04:14Or ultimately, we're going into dismantling of it.
04:16And this heat wave that we've seen this summer may accelerate that process.
04:20Okay, Maria Steyer, you're better.
04:21Thank you so much for that analysis.
04:23And now for his view on all of this coming up, we'll be joined by Manfred Weber,
04:27the president of the European People's Party, Europe's largest political group, German member of the CSU.
04:34Manfred Weber has been a member of the European Parliament since 2004 and is one of the European Parliament's most
04:40influential and most powerful politicians.
04:43So obviously, he's a very busy man.
04:44So we're thrilled that you made it here to the Europe Today set.
04:46Welcome.
04:47Thank you so much.
04:48Good morning.
04:48Great to have you with us.
04:49Look, this heat wave that we're seeing, is that just normal June weather in your view?
04:53Or is it climate change?
04:54Is it global warming?
04:55Well, that's up to the scientists and experts to assess this.
04:59It's not up to the politicians.
05:00We see an unnormal situation.
05:01That's clear.
05:02And we face a new reality on European level.
05:05And we have to prepare for this.
05:06So on the one hand, I'm quite proud as a European politician that we did the Green Deal, that we
05:11are going forward,
05:12that Europe was the continent who made the Paris Agreement.
05:14You remember when we had a global agreement on the fight against climate change,
05:18we made it possible.
05:19So Europe showed leadership.
05:21But your party has been tinkering away at the Green Deal, rolling back parts of the Green Deal.
05:26My party is the Ursula von der Leyen party.
05:28My party is the party who did the Green Deal in the last mandate.
05:31And we fully support the Green Deal.
05:32It's our responsibility in today's world to deliver on these aspects.
05:37What we are asking for is to be reasonable in the business aspect.
05:41And that is what we have.
05:42We cannot kill our industry due to climate change.
05:44That is what we are asking for.
05:46So we need a common understanding to bring things in balance.
05:50That's always EPP approach.
05:51And now jeopardizing the debate, of course, is this conversation over air con, whether to invest in air conditioning.
05:56Where is your view here?
05:58Is it a necessity or a luxury?
06:00It's a necessity.
06:01No debate about this.
06:02You know, in former times, it was no question at all that we need heating in the north of Europe
06:07because it's colder there.
06:08There's no question.
06:09And today, if climate change, if hotter temperatures are arriving, we need also air conditioning.
06:14So it's a question of practical needs and to invest there.
06:18Even though the scientists would argue that would go against the goals of the climate plan?
06:22I don't see it like this, you know.
06:23Especially on air conditioning, we have the big advantage that if you also combine it with photovoltaics or with solar
06:31panels,
06:32then you can easily use the solar energy for air conditioning.
06:36So that's not a contradiction.
06:38We have the way towards green, sustainable energy production in Europe to be not anymore depending on the street of
06:44our moves,
06:44to use all the other debate of the last weeks, that we are ready for the future.
06:48And then we can challenge this.
06:51So you're clearly going against it.
06:52Trisa Ribera, do you have your air con on in your office today?
06:55I think so.
06:56I hope so.
06:56That is so.
06:57Okay.
06:58Well, many, of course, Europeans do not because they can't afford it.
07:00But let's move from climate to migration.
07:02The Parliament has just approved a law on these very controversial return hubs.
07:07Should EU money be spent on these return hubs, Mr Weber?
07:10It must work.
07:11You know, in this moment of time, only 20% of the decisions that someone must leave the European Union
07:17is an illegal year.
07:18And not from a politician.
07:20It's from a judge.
07:21It's from an official service in the European Union.
07:25If someone is illegal, he has to leave the European Union.
07:28And only 20% are enforced in this moment.
07:30And who should pay for these return hubs?
07:32Well, a return hub is only one part of a big legislation.
07:36And just to remind everyone, we were fighting about this migration thing for more than 10 years in Europe.
07:41It created a lot of problems and also created a lot of right extreme parties.
07:46And now I am proud as European politician that I can tell people that we have now a solution,
07:51that 25 member states agreed, that all center parties agreed.
07:54We do it together and we have an answer on this.
07:56We enforce it.
07:57And the main message is the state decides who is arriving and not the smugglers in the Mediterranean Sea.
08:02And which countries will these return hubs be in?
08:04Well, it's now up to the member states.
08:06So they have the chance.
08:08This is not up to us on the European level to decide about this.
08:11We have partners in Africa, in the Middle East where we can work with.
08:14But it's up now to the colleagues to coordinate and to find partners.
08:18And it's not a must, you know.
08:20If France and other countries are not using this option, then it's fine.
08:23But we have to enforce it.
08:24It must work.
08:25And you mentioned France.
08:26What about Spain, though?
08:27This week, of course, big news with Pedro Sánchez saying that one million people have applied for his program for
08:32undocumented migrants.
08:34He argues that without immigration, Spain would lose 19% of its GDP by 2050.
08:40Does he have a point?
08:41Well, Europe needs migration and legal migration.
08:44We need workers for our care system, for example.
08:48So that's obvious.
08:49So do you support his plan?
08:50But the key question is who is invited to stay here.
08:53And if you legalize all illegals who are today in Spain, that's not the part of the persons and personalities
08:58we need.
08:59We need qualified people who can really contribute to our system.
09:03And that is not happening in Spain.
09:05These people, though, will contribute.
09:06By the way, if we speak about a number of above one million people, sorry, that's not normal migration.
09:13That's not normal migration when you have such a massive increase.
09:17But these people are already in the country working illegally.
09:19They're undocumented.
09:20So now if they become legal, they'll contribute.
09:23That's up to the authorities to assess this.
09:25Again, nothing against legal migration.
09:27But again, if you speak about one million in a few weeks to be legalized, that's not a normal procedure.
09:33I hope that this is not a normal procedure.
09:35That's why I'm not in favor of this.
09:37And that has also impact to the others.
09:38So if Spain is doing it, they have the right of freedom of movement.
09:41They can go to France.
09:43They can go to Belgium.
09:43They can go to Poland.
09:44Are these people a threat, do you think?
09:46That's why it is an issue for all of us.
09:48And that's why I would expect that also leaders speak about these kind of massive one million people, massive legalization.
09:54That's an issue for Europe.
09:55Another big issue for Europe, China.
09:57We saw those very delicate talks this Monday night between Mara Sefkovic and his counterpart from Commerce.
10:03They put October now as a deadline.
10:05Is this just to avoid confrontation with China?
10:07No, we have a totally fundamentally change of our approach to China.
10:11Stop naivety.
10:12We need a level playing field where we clarify that subsidies cannot be part of a free market economy perspective.
10:19And I'm also sure that we have to talk about the digital infrastructure of Europe.
10:22For example, the 6G infrastructure of tomorrow, though, if we invest in digital infrastructure, must be China free.
10:28So I think we have to be clear that the new world is arriving and China must understand this.
10:33And which team are you on here?
10:34Team Ursula von der Leyen or Team Friedrich Merz?
10:36They have completely different views vis-à-vis China.
10:38We also have Team Emmanuel Macron.
10:40We have different teams in Europe.
10:41I would ask for one team, and I'm on the side of Sefkovic in Europe, to defend our European interests.
10:47Stop naivety.
10:48That's the main message.
10:49Continue to do business.
10:50No problem on this.
10:51But stop naivety.
10:52What if there's no deal, though, by October?
10:54Then we are entering into a phase of a conflict.
10:58And we have to be clear that European Union, we speak about 450 million consumers.
11:02We are strong.
11:03We are economically the world power of this world.
11:06And does conflict mean trade war, in your view?
11:08I don't ask for it.
11:11I don't look for a kind of conflict.
11:14But the Chinese must understand that the overcapacities, again, with solar panels, they did it already, to occupy the global
11:20market.
11:21And the same want to do on the electric vehicles, on the electric cars.
11:24And we cannot allow this.
11:25We are the continent of trading.
11:28We are the continent of free market.
11:29No question on this.
11:30But it must be fair.
11:31And it must be level playing field.
11:33And just on that point, you mentioned trade.
11:34You finally have the trade deal over the line with the United States.
11:37But just last week, we heard that announcement that President Trump might introduce tariffs because of the digital taxes Europe's
11:42imposing on the Americans.
11:44What does that mean, then, for the deal that you supported?
11:47Well, I'm a man of transatlantic cooperation.
11:50I love to work together with the Americans.
11:52The current president is a special one.
11:54Everybody knows it.
11:54But we have now the deal.
11:56We have agreed on it.
11:57Europe delivered, as we promised it.
11:59And the EPP party was the adult in the room.
12:01You know, others were playing on this.
12:02We always said from the very first moment on that our business needs certainty, needs stability now in the trade
12:08relationship with America.
12:09That's why it's good that we have it now.
12:11And if we continue the fight, then I should also say, let's stand up as Europeans and be proud again.
12:17450 million consumers means also for America that we are the biggest external market for them.
12:22So let's use this power.
12:23And if he makes good on these new tariffs, will you pull out of the deal, the Tunbir deal?
12:27We want to keep the deal.
12:29And I would advise us not to react on every tweet and every message from Donald Trump, because in every
12:34morning show, we speak about Trump.
12:36And that is exactly what he wants to do.
12:38Do you think he's just bluffing?
12:39Let's talk about us.
12:40Let's talk about our strengths and our values, what we stand for.
12:43And especially on the trade issue.
12:45You know, we have now Australia.
12:46We have New Zealand.
12:46We have Mexico.
12:47We have Japan.
12:48We have Mercosur now in place.
12:50Enforced.
12:50I'm happy.
12:51My party was always a party of free trade.
12:54And we believe that having this China and also with America more problems, we have to look for others who
12:58are rule-based, who love to work together, rule-based and value-based.
13:02And that's why there is a huge opportunity now for the biggest market in the world.
13:06And that is European Union.
13:07And as you say, we need to focus on ourselves, focus on Europeans.
13:09What's the new mood now in Europe regarding the new Hungarian head of state, Peter Mayer?
13:14Well, I visited him two years ago when he entered into European politics, European Parliament.
13:20His teaser party first time was elected in Hungary.
13:24And I invited him to join the EPP group in the European Parliament.
13:28He accepted this and he repaid this investment of trust now with a huge success.
13:33You know, last week when we had our gathering of the EPP leaders with Merz and all the colleagues, Peter
13:39Mojo was the first time inside of the EPP family being present.
13:42And it was a moment of big strength and also pride because the Hungarian voice is back on the European
13:48level.
13:48And will it be back when it comes to Ukraine?
13:50Well, he already committed, you know, 90 billion.
13:53He approved it.
13:53He gave green light.
13:54And also the first chapters on the negotiations now.
13:57He already agreed.
13:58He already gave green light.
13:59So we see the fundamental change now.
14:02Orban is gone and all right extreme, all right populists in Europe have a big problem because their hero lost
14:07the elections against young EPP leader Peter Mojo.
14:10And just on a lighter note, I'm sure you've been watching the World Cup.
14:13The Mannschaft is out.
14:15True, true.
14:15And I have now as a chairman, I have to consider now what I'm looking for and what I'm supporting
14:20for.
14:20So we still have a lot of European teams being present there.
14:23Who are you supporting?
14:24And let's see, let's see how they perform and wish them all the best.
14:29Is it time for Julian Nagelsmann to stand aside?
14:33Well, losing is never a good thing.
14:36And in this moment of time, especially in this game, we saw a lack of engagement.
14:40I respect every individual player, but there was a lack of engagement.
14:43And that's why it has to be discussed.
14:45And now that Germany is out, who, Manfred Weber, will you support?
14:50Hard question, hard question.
14:52I keep neutrality in this moment of time.
14:55Okay.
14:55Thank you so much, Manfred Weber, our guest here on Europe Today for joining us.
14:59And speaking of neutrality, moving on, an EU member since 1973, Ireland takes over the
15:04rotating presidency of the European Union today for the next six months.
15:09Ukraine's President Zelensky has arrived in Dublin for the symbolic ceremony that will
15:13take place today in Dublin Castle.
15:15For more, we can straight head over to the castle and bring in the Irish Minister for European
15:19Affairs, Thomas Byrne.
15:20Good morning, Minister.
15:20So lovely to have you on Europe Today today.
15:23Just tell us, President Zelensky has arrived for the proceedings.
15:25This is the first surprise, if you like, of the presidency.
15:29Yeah, well, we're delighted that President Zelensky is here.
15:32President Costa of the European Council will be here as well.
15:35And this will be a ceremony, I suppose, to mark the opening day.
15:38It's not just ceremonial.
15:39We have about 20 meetings of working parties in Brussels happening today.
15:43I've already got calls from senior MEPs on particular files this morning.
15:49So we're starting with action.
15:51We're starting straight into it.
15:52And it's a very exciting moment for all of us here in the Irish system.
15:56It's a generational moment with some really important files on enlargement when you mention
16:00Ukraine, but also the MFF and the One Market Roadmap as well.
16:04These are key files for Ireland, but also for Europe.
16:08Just on Ukraine, how will you advance the talks on their membership into the EU over the
16:11next six months?
16:14Well, look, we've already achieved a lot now at the end of the Cyprus presidency.
16:17And I want to pay tribute to them for that.
16:18So our ambition is to open more clusters in the negotiations with Ukraine.
16:23And so we're already working on that.
16:26We've had discussions yesterday.
16:27We've continued to have discussions this week to see how far we can go to have an
16:31intergovernmental conference this month.
16:33Obviously, all of the member states have to agree to that.
16:36And we'd have to work really, really hard to get the member states to come to that view.
16:41So, look, that's a serious work in progress at the moment.
16:44And of course, Mr. Byrne, this presidency comes just as the EU was seriously lagging
16:48behind the US and China.
16:49How will you help make the EU more competitive over the next six months?
16:54Well, I think the One Market Roadmap sets out a long series of actions that we should
16:59be implementing this year, much of which has to be done during the Irish presidency.
17:04That will make us more competitive, more resilient and make it easier to do business
17:08in Ireland.
17:09On my agenda, the simplification agenda is really important to make it cheaper to do business,
17:14but also protecting the basic values that make us Europeans.
17:18But we have other items such as the Savings and Investment Act, the EU Inc. proposal and
17:23that long list on the roadmap.
17:25So, our entire system is geared to trying to get agreement among the member states.
17:29It's not all on us.
17:30Member states have to agree and the European Parliament has to agree as well.
17:33But if we can do this, I think it will be generational.
17:37It will be really important and a significant boost to the European economy.
17:41And just finally, what would a successful presidency look like to you?
17:44And are Irish people as enthusiastic as you today?
17:48I think Irish people are always very proud when we take over the presidency of the European
17:52Union.
17:52Irish people are very supportive of the European Union.
17:55They know the benefits that the European Union has given to peace and to economic prosperity,
18:00not just in Ireland, but across the European Union.
18:03So, I think there's a huge awareness in Ireland today of what's happening.
18:06And I think Irish people will have a lot of goodwill towards government and civil servants
18:11who will be doing a huge amount of the work in meetings in Brussels and in Dublin.
18:15But today, it's a day to start the work, but also to mark the occasion.
18:19OK.
18:20Minister Thomas Byrne, thank you so much for joining us there from Dublin Castle, as Dublin
18:24takes on that role as presiding over the EU Council for the next six months.
18:28And now moving on, after a trip to Turkey yesterday, just days ahead of the NATO summit,
18:32the EU Commission President, Ursula von der Leyen, has moved on to Azerbaijan today to build
18:37on EU influence in a region traditionally in Russia's orbit.
18:41For more on her ambitions, we can cross now to Baku and bring in your news correspondent,
18:45Nadira Tudor.
18:46Good morning, Nadira.
18:47Tell us more about her visit today.
18:50Well, this is a significant visit because it reflects just how strategically important
18:54the South Caucasus has become for the EU.
18:57President Ursula von der Leyen is set to hold talks with Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev,
19:02discussions are expected to focus on four key areas.
19:05The first, to support the Azerbaijan-Armenian peace process.
19:08Second, to strengthen economic ties.
19:10Third, improving transport and trade links between Europe and Central Asia.
19:14And finally, to expand connectivity through the middle corridor.
19:18Now, the backdrop for these priorities is against Europe's changing geopolitical landscape.
19:23Since Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the EU has not been secret about its desire
19:29to diversify both its energy supplies and its trade routes.
19:33Currently, 16 European countries import gas from Azerbaijan to Italy, and Italy being the
19:38from Azerbaijan, Italy being the top importer.
19:40And as a consequence, the country has become increasingly important as a gas supplier and
19:46the middle corridor emerging as a key alternative trade route connecting Europe with Central Asia
19:51and China. And it's important to note that this is also von der Leyen's first visit to Azerbaijan
19:56since Azerbaijan and Armenia, the two neighbours, initialed their landmark peace agreement.
20:01So one could deduct that this makes today's meetings as much about long-term regional stability
20:06as about energy and trade.
20:08The two leaders are expected to make joint statements later this afternoon.
20:12And just yesterday we saw the President von der Leyen, she was in Turkey with two EU commissioners.
20:17Tell us about that.
20:19Well, this visit is all part of a much broader week of EU diplomacy across the region.
20:24And while President von der Leyen is focusing on the South Caucasus, there are several senior
20:29European commissioners in Turkey for high-level talks covering things like security, trade, migration
20:34and the future of EU-Turkey relations and expected discussions include modernising the EU-Turkey
20:41customs union, regional security, migration cooperation and connectivity projects, all linking
20:47Europe with the Black Sea, the South Caucasus and Central Asia.
20:52And if we put everything into context, the visits show that European Union is looking at the region
20:56as one connected strategic neighbourhood where energy, security, trade routes, defence cooperation
21:03and political stability are increasingly being seen as intertwined.
21:09Okay, Nadira Tudor, thank you so much there for that live broadcast from Baku.
21:14Now, earlier on Europe Today, we were joined by Manfred Weber, the President of the most influential
21:18and powerful political group in the European Parliament, that's the European People's Party.
21:23Our Europe editor, Maria Taddeo, was listening into that interview and joins me now for some analysis.
21:27Maria, what were your takeaways?
21:28Look, I think it's, well, first of all, a comprehensive interview that ultimately touched
21:33upon the main topics that are driving the political agenda in Europe in which, we've got
21:38to be honest, the EPP, so the Conservatives across Europe, now dominate the scene.
21:43They dominate the scene in Brussels and they nominate the scene across the different capitals
21:47in the European Council.
21:48So there has been a shift into more Conservative positions from the European public itself.
21:54So to that extent, they play with an advantage over the rest.
21:57But I would argue the thing that to me struck out the most, and it is a real question to
22:03me for the rest of the year for the European Union, is China.
22:06What to do with the Chinese and the trade deficit that not only was a record last year, but if
22:13you look at the numbers so far this year, it seems that this will also be another record
22:17year when it comes to that gap between what the Chinese are selling and buying from the
22:21European Union.
22:22As it stands, every official, and I think Manfred Weber was very clear about this too,
22:26they believe that it's simply not sustainable to continue going down this path.
22:29To me, what was interesting is the Commission has decided now to take some of the heat off
22:33and wait until October.
22:34We are also expecting new tools that will be created and announced in order to deal with
22:39China if they do not level this playing field.
22:42Of course, you could argue the European Union already has many trade tools that it could have
22:46implemented had it had the political courage to do it.
22:49And I say political because the data does show these deficits cannot continue.
22:54To me, what is interesting is out of this trio of Germans, the German Chancellor, the head
22:58of the Commission, and now Manfred Weber with the APP, he took a very strong line.
23:01You know, he said, we cannot kill our industry.
23:03And China now, that's a quote, is a serious problem for the European industry.
23:07And I particularly thought it's interesting when you said what happens after October.
23:11And he did say, ultimately, decisions in October will have to be made because of the EU having
23:16set a deadline, not triggered any countermeasures, decides to extend again this waiting period.
23:21It can only be interpreted as a sign of weakness.
23:24And Beijing will read it as such.
23:25OK, Maria, today are you better.
23:27Thank you so much for your analysis.
23:29And you can read, of course, more about that interview and all the other stories we're
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