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Brexit erősítette vagy gyengítette Európát? EP-képviselők vitáznak a The Ringben
Mit tanult Európa a Brexittől a szuverenitásról, migrációról, versenyképességről, demokratikus elszámoltathatóságról és az álhírekről? Erősebb-e ma a mélyebb uniós integráció ügye? Az EP-képviselők a The Ring mostani adásában vitáznak az EU–brit kapcsolatok jövőjéről.
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00:08Hello there and welcome to The Ring, Euronews' weekly debate show broadcasting from the European Parliament here in Brussels.
00:16I'm Maeve MacMathen and as you know, here on The Ring, members of the European Parliament go face to face
00:22on some of the most tricky issues of our time.
00:25This week, as we mark 10 years since the UK voted to leave the European Union, we're asking if the
00:31bloc has changed for the better or worse, and if the UK could ever, or should, rejoin.
00:37To set the scene, here's our Louise Albertus.
00:42A decade has passed since the UK made the momentous decision to leave the European Union.
00:48We'll take the trouble, I'll take the trouble, I'll take the trouble.
00:53After 47 years of membership, the Brexit vote sent shockwaves through Europe and reshaped Britain as we know it.
01:01Ten years on, seven prime ministers have come and gone, and this week another one met the same fate.
01:08In an emotional speech at number 10, Keir Starmer stepped down after days of mounting pressure.
01:15What has Brexit taught Europe about sovereignty, migration, economic competitiveness, democratic accountability and disinformation?
01:24Has it strengthened the case for European integration?
01:27And with memories of the referendum still shaping the political debate, could Britain ever consider rejoining the bloc?
01:33Or is that possibility still too politically divisive?
01:40The questions we have for our contenders, let's meet them.
01:45Barry Andrews, an Irish MEP from the Liberal Renew Europe Group.
01:49He's the chair of the Committee on Development, vice-chair of the Delegation for Relations with Palestine
01:54and a member of the delegation to the EU-UK Parliamentary Partnership Assembly.
01:59On the 10th anniversary of the Brexit vote, he says,
02:02Brexit was and is a con job.
02:05The UK has not been as invisible and irrelevant on the European stage as it is now since, in my
02:11view,
02:12before the Battle of Agincourt of 1415.
02:16Sander Smit, a Dutch MEP from the European Conservatives and Reformists Group.
02:21He serves in the Committee on Constitutional Affairs and has also been vice-chair of the Committee on Fisheries
02:27earlier in the current parliamentary term.
02:29We still deeply regret Brexit and miss the UK's crucial voice for fiscal and financial discipline in the European Council,
02:37he says.
02:38Our future lies in a stronger partnership.
02:40Let the UK and EU countries move beyond the past and work together as natural sovereign allies.
02:50So Barry Andrews and Sander Smit, welcome to The Ring. Thanks for joining us.
02:54So here we are, 10 years on. Has Brexit helped or hindered the European Union, Sander?
03:00I think it has really hindered the European Union in achieving a union which also takes into account several national
03:06sensitivities,
03:07also protects the national veto. I think the United Kingdom would have been a very valuable ally for my own
03:14member state,
03:15but also for other member states in Council and for my group in particular.
03:19Of course, the ECR group was founded by the British Conservative Party and we still sorely miss them, I think.
03:25You would agree, I'm sure, Barry Andrews, with that. The EU is in a weaker place now.
03:29Well, I think definitely the UK is in a weaker place. I think the European Union has a capacity to
03:34evolve
03:34and I think there has been very significant developments in the European Union in the last 10 years and in
03:40the world.
03:41And the basic lesson is that we live in a much more contested world and we're much better together as
03:47an EU27.
03:48So I think that we are beginning to learn that lesson. But for the UK, it has been a total
03:53disaster.
03:53What other lessons has Brussels and the EU learnt in the past 10 years?
03:57I think we should learn from Brexit, first and foremost, that we need to respect national sovereignty,
04:05maybe also have tailored membership, not doing away with the Copenhagen criteria but certain opt-outs and not have a
04:13one-size-fits-all approach.
04:15And I think not controlling migration, not taking into account these national specificities has really also caused Brexit.
04:24So I think we need to self-reflect a bit.
04:27I think if you did self-reflect, you would recognise that actually Britain had a very tailor-made membership of
04:33the European Union for an awful long time,
04:35including being outside Schengen, including being outside the Europe and having a very, very differentiated form of membership.
04:43And this still wasn't enough on this occasion. And what has happened since then in the UK is that there
04:49has been a massive peak in migration.
04:51The UK economy has gone down very, very substantially. As we've just heard in the introduction, they've had seven prime
04:57ministers.
04:57So this is a state of governance, which is absolutely disastrous.
05:00Oh, I absolutely agree. I just meant that if we as a European Union want to have the United Kingdom
05:06work together with us or eventually rejoin,
05:09I sense that you would be open to that, but you can comment on that later.
05:12We need to take into account these specific specificities. But now we see the European Commission and also European leaders
05:19evolving towards a more centralized approach of the Union with less tailor-made,
05:24less opt-outs, less possibilities to take.
05:26And we'll come back to that shortly, but I want to go back to the UK politics because, of course,
05:31seven prime ministers have come and gone since the Brexit vote.
05:34Is this because of Brexit, this political chaos we're seeing in the UK?
05:37Well, I mean, there's nobody looking to leave the European Union anymore. And there is a waiting room for membership
05:43that is bursting at the seams.
05:46So the one big takeaway is that I think in the contested geopolitical world that we live in now, we're
05:52much better together.
05:53Mark Carney articulated that very well for middle-sized countries, for Europe, for Canada.
05:59So I think Britain has learned that lesson in a very difficult way.
06:02Because we remember 10 years ago, when the vote happened, Nigel Farage said the European Union was dead and, quote,
06:08finished.
06:09We saw Marine Le Pen, Gerd Filders calling for their countries to have a referendum. That's off the table now.
06:14It's all off the table. And even Mr. Willis never mentions Brexit or Brexit anymore.
06:21Never mentioned it.
06:21So, I mean, you know, it's for slow learners.
06:25We now have had a laboratory example of what happens when you leave the European Union,
06:30when you try to take back control, when you try to do things by yourself.
06:33It is clear that this has deepened the European Union's roots.
06:37It has enhanced the European Union's reputation.
06:40And that's why almost all of our neighbourhood countries are thinking about joining, including Iceland, including Norway, including all the
06:47Western Balkans and Eastern Europe.
06:50And what about the situation in the UK? The EU and the UK were just getting back on track with
06:55those relations.
06:56An EU summit was supposed to be taking place at the end of July. It's now off the table.
07:00So what will the latest chaos mean for this relationship?
07:03Two things I would say to the Commission. First of all, it's right to delay the summit. Absolutely.
07:09I think that the first point is that you have to anonymize relations with the UK.
07:13You can't it can't depend on the personality of the prime minister, particularly where you have Farage quite high in
07:20the opinion polls.
07:20So I think the European Commission has to recognize this. Plus, it cannot continue to treat the UK as an
07:27ordinary third country because the UK is so aligned with our key interests as Europe.
07:32And I think a lot of UK politicians recognize this. The Commission has to recognize that, too.
07:37And during the very lengthy negotiation period, the divorce period, if you like, was the EU fair to the United
07:43Kingdom, you think?
07:43I think in many aspects we were very fair. If I look at fisheries, really, really took a huge portion
07:53out of our fishery rights, etc.
07:55So I think the European Union has been right, but tough. I think maybe in some aspects too tough.
08:00So that's also my suggestion. Let's work together closer. Let's move past the past bickering and find new solutions, because
08:09I think that will also pave the way for new candidate member states like Iceland and Norway.
08:15And if we don't improve the relationship with the United Kingdom in the future, I think if we have a
08:21referendum in Iceland upcoming and show signs of that development, we will eventually end up also losing these candidate member
08:28states who do fulfill the Copenhagen criteria.
08:32But I just want to bring in an incident that took place in the European Parliament chamber just last week
08:36in Strasbourg, when MEPs, when you were voting on measures to increase the deportation of undocumented migrants. Take a look.
08:47On the agenda, the report by Mrs. Brickmont on the EU-Pakistan agreement modification of concessions on tariff rate quotes.
08:59Vote on consent by roll call vote. The vote is open.
09:12We move to the...
09:17It's adopted.
09:21So a flavour there of what's going on inside the very European Parliament chamber. Shander Schmidt, what were you chanting?
09:27I was not chanting. I don't think chanting belongs in the Parliament. That way I did applaud the outcome of
09:33the result of the vote.
09:34And were you sitting beside the chanters? Yes, yes, they were to the left of me, so in the right
09:41wing groups.
09:43This is a good glimpse of the kind of divisiveness that we can see right now in politics, right here
09:49and of course across the pond.
09:50Yeah, look, it was a disgrace. It was an appalling low point in my experience in the European Parliament.
09:57I voted against the measure. I have a very clear conscience about that.
10:01And what I was very disappointed about was that some members of your party online described one of our colleagues,
10:08who is originally from Iraq, that she should go home.
10:11Now, that should be withdrawn. That is the subject of a complaint. And I would put it to you that
10:16you should recognize that that was a mistake.
10:19Whatever about not chanting in the Parliament, but encouraging one of our colleagues who wasn't born in the European Union
10:25to go home.
10:26Surely that's an unacceptable political approach.
10:29I wasn't there at the incidence that I can't vouch for how it was formulated by my colleague and how
10:36it was intended.
10:36So I think I think we look at the outcome of the result. Everyone who is an EU citizen who
10:44holds the right to be here can remain in the European Union.
10:46This is about the return of illegal migrants, illegal aliens who have penetrated the European Union without a right to
10:53asylum and to remain here to return hubs under the full compliance with EU and international fundamental human rights.
11:02It's just interesting because Brexit, of course, was driven largely by migration concerns.
11:06And we're seeing that right now in the EU, the bloc taking much tougher policies when it comes to migration.
11:11Has Europe moved closer to the position that won that Brexit referendum?
11:15Yeah, my view is you can't beat the far right by becoming far right.
11:18That way they win and you lose. So I think it is a major mistake here.
11:23I think, you know, Sanders says there is human rights conditionality in relation to these return hubs.
11:31But let's not forget there are human rights clauses in the EU Israel Association Agreement, which have been willfully ignored
11:38by the Commission for three years in spite of the ongoing war crimes,
11:41in spite of the ongoing statements made by certain Israeli ministers in relation to European citizens, in relation to Palestinians
11:50and the West Bank.
11:50So I take no comfort from the presence in this agreement of human rights conditions in relation to return hubs.
11:56Quick reaction to that?
11:57I do. I think that we uphold the rule of law as European Union, and we will also do this
12:03in the return hub in safe third countries.
12:05And I think a lot of the Irish voters will also be disappointed that you voted against the result, which
12:10is the last building block of the EU migration and asylum pact, which you supported in the last term.
12:18The Irish voters will be disappointed that I voted against. That is correct. But that's the essence of populism that
12:24you're determined by, you know, whatever current.
12:27Now, what I try to explain to our citizens is that, yes, we have a new migration and asylum pact.
12:32It only came into force two weeks ago. We also have migration conditionality in a lot of our external relations.
12:38We also have memorandums of understanding and returns. And my argument is that we should let all of this work
12:44before we go down what was a taboo subject just a few years ago about sending families and children to
12:51places they've never had any connection with to satisfy this demand in circumstances where asylum applications are going down in
13:00the European Union, where deportations are actually going up.
13:03This is the wrong time to do this. And we have done extensive reporting on that topic here on Euronews.
13:08And we've also done previous editions of The Ring. So catch up with them. But now it is time to
13:12move on to our next round.
13:18Now, you've already got a glimpse of what happens inside the European Parliament chamber.
13:21But now I'm going to give you another one because their MEPs also ask each other direct questions and follow
13:27up.
13:27So here on The Ring, you'll also have that opportunity. So, Shander Schmidt, please address your very first question to
13:32Barry Andrews.
13:33Barry, the United Kingdom was our strongest ally for fiscal discipline, resisting EU debt schemes and protecting national sovereignty, also
13:41for Ireland.
13:42Do you still miss the British Prime Minister in the European Council to help us protect national vetoes?
13:48And would you actually welcome the EU back into the European Union?
13:52A couple of questions there, Sander. So, first of all, yes, of course, we'd welcome the UK back into the
13:58European Union.
13:59I think of all EU member states, Ireland was most aligned with the UK, actually, on a whole range of
14:04issues, particularly around trade, the provision of financial services.
14:07But most importantly, peace on the island of Ireland and the UK pulled very hard in the same direction on
14:14that.
14:14And the European Union acted as an honest broker and really helped us.
14:17So for me, there's absolutely no question about that.
14:20In terms of veto power and the protection of veto power, I think that has held the European Union back,
14:25whereas other major global actors are able to act quickly.
14:28We take an inordinate amount of time and we're being held hostage by single individuals in the European Council.
14:35And now your question.
14:36So my question is how the ECR are making arrangements with far right MEPs in the European Parliament, some of
14:47whom are pro Putin.
14:49How do you explain that to your voters in the Netherlands that you are making these alliances with pro Russian
14:55parties and pro Russian actors in the European Parliament?
14:57I think it's not about making alliances with pro Russian parties.
15:02We have a broad center right majority now, new majorities in European Parliament, which vote along with us as an
15:07ECR, where we firmly support Ukraine.
15:09So there's no doubt about that.
15:11And if they vote along us in supporting, for instance, the return regulation proposed by EPP commissioner and by the
15:19commission of Miss von der Leyen, not by far right populists,
15:23but by the European Commission, we safeguarded, we defended the proposal of Commissioner Brunner there, then there's no case of
15:30us collaborating with any such parties.
15:33But I do not uphold a firewall or a cordon sanitaire if people want to support my proposals.
15:40That would be political suicide.
15:41And I'm sure that certain of your own proposals and amendments have been voted in favor of also by far
15:48right parties in committee votes.
15:50There's a difference between passive support and actively collaborating with these parties on amendments and issues like that.
15:58So is your point is that you don't actively collaborate with the far right, the pro?
16:02We thought we've worked with all democratically elected representatives in this house.
16:07And if they want to support us on issues such as return regulation, combating illegal illegal migration, then I fully
16:15support such cooperation.
16:16And there's no and no threat there or danger of legitimizing their positions in certain other issues there with a
16:23very strong stance.
16:24And there we are also really aligned, I think, in many issues.
16:28OK, well, we've heard the views now from the MEPs and you've had the opportunity to address your questions.
16:32Now it's time to hear from a new voice.
16:38I'd like to bring in the voice of Richard Corbett, former British Labour MEP, who became one of the leading
16:44political and academic voices in the debates over EU membership and reforming the bloc.
16:49He was actually in Brussels this month to mark the 10 year anniversary of Brexit and meet a group of
16:54British nationals who walked the whole way from London to the European capital.
16:58Take a look.
16:59Alexander Stutt, president of Finland, came all the way to London, Chatham House lecture to say we want you back.
17:05Donald Tusk, Poland, says we dream of Britain coming back.
17:08Pedro Sanchez, Spain, says Brexit was a mistake. You should come back in.
17:12They do want us back. Why?
17:15Look at the geopolitics.
17:17Look at the geopolitics. Richard Corbett making the point there, making the pitch for coming back into the EU.
17:22Now, that was one of your questions actually for Barry Andrews earlier.
17:25Would you like to welcome them back?
17:26And is it a necessity now due to the geopolitical world we're living in?
17:29I think I would really welcome them back because we really miss them still also in the European Parliament.
17:34The British Conservative Party is still sorely missed, I think, in my group as well.
17:40But I think it will be an evolution in the coming years.
17:43We have other parties, as Barry said, in the UK now contending, and they think we have to work towards
17:49rebuilding trust and confidence also by having a more pragmatic approach, not a dogmatic, not a bickering approach of the
17:57past, not to be too tough, but really open up to the United Kingdom.
18:01A much more dangerous place since ten years ago.
18:03Now, we do know the EU and the UK have signed a defence and security partnership back in May 2025.
18:09But is this working out?
18:10Look, there's just not enough political energy behind this.
18:14Obviously, Keir Starmer has had his problems and the Commission has had a very full agenda.
18:20So the European Union-EUK agenda has been very strongly pushed by Mara Sefcovic, let's be absolutely clear about this.
18:27But I am concerned about the slow progress on things like the ETS, electricity trading, SPS, you know, food and
18:35those relationships which we should be able to improve much more quickly than is the case.
18:40And with the world in turmoil and the EU hoping to invest more in defence and security, especially with the
18:45US pulling out of NATO, there's a big gap in the budget now since Brexit.
18:50We've seen like between 10 and 12 billion euros less in the coffers because the UK left.
18:55What does that mean now for the EU's ambitions to invest in defence?
18:58I think the UK are major military power also capable of investing and we really miss them there.
19:06So, as I said, we sorely miss them also in this dimension.
19:11And is there a solution for the EU to muster up the money itself, try and leverage the EU budget?
19:15Well, that will mean that net payers such as my own country have to pay more and I'm not really
19:20in favour of having the defence which is primarily a national competence transferred to the EU level.
19:27Because really that development in the past also led to Brexit and also in my own member states if the
19:33net contribution of my own member state were to increase I think that would decrease also support for the European
19:40Union which has increased in the recent years.
19:42So, I think we should leave it there and find pragmatic solutions there.
19:46OK, I want to dive deeper into that topic but first let's take a break here on The Ring.
19:50Stay with us though here on Euronews.
20:01Welcome back to The Ring, Euronews' weekly debate show.
20:04I'm Maeve McMahan and I'm joined by Sander Schmidt, Dutch MEP from the European Conservatives and Reformists.
20:09I'm Barry Andrews, Irish MEP from Renew Europe.
20:13And today we're talking about how the EU is doing 10 years after the Brexit referendum and if the country
20:19of 69 million people could ever rejoin again.
20:22To get the view from Europeans on whether they should one day rejoin, we consulted some data from the European
20:28Council on Foreign Relations that says 66% of European respondents, quote, strongly support or tend to support UK membership.
20:37Support varies significantly from us.
20:4056% in Bulgaria and 59% in France and Italy to 75% in the Netherlands and Denmark.
20:47And backers of far-right and Eurosceptic parties favour stronger UK-EU ties including supporters of Germany's AFD and France's
20:55national rally.
20:57So interesting data there and many sharing your view that they do indeed miss the Brits and they'd love to
21:02invite them back.
21:03Your reaction?
21:04Yeah, well actually the figures are very similar to the polling figures in the UK.
21:07So whereas it was 52% to leave, now the figures are the other way.
21:12There's most UK people consider that Brexit was a mistake.
21:17They consider that rejoining is the correct way.
21:19So really there's hugely fertile political ground available to whichever politician has the courage to articulate return to the European
21:27Union and to put that to the people.
21:28And I think that the European Union should respond to that and provide a pathway to such a politician if
21:34they do have that courage.
21:35And how should that path look?
21:36Are we talking about the red carpet being rolled out or are we talking about stricter membership, no more opt
21:41-outs?
21:42I think we need opt-outs as well because we'll never get them back if we're too dogmatic, too strict
21:48there.
21:48So I think we ought to offer them the old package.
21:51So you almost want to go begging them.
21:52The old package.
21:54I think that would be then that's also what British voters and British citizens who were pulled remember.
22:00So if we come up with other extra regulation, we need more pragmatism.
22:04That's a very interesting view.
22:06Do you think other Europeans and European leaders would be would be on board with this?
22:09No, they wouldn't because clearly we do have differentiated accession.
22:14So Ukraine may come in in the next few years, but I anticipate that it will be on different terms
22:20to Western Balkans, for example.
22:22And I think the UK as a former member should be treated in a differentiated manner.
22:27But I don't see the European Council supporting the idea of going back to the original package of rebate outside
22:34Schengen, outside the euro.
22:36I think some of those issues will have to be spoken about.
22:39So, you know, while the UK are saying they want to return to the to the European Union, the majority,
22:44when you put the actual package, it might be a different story.
22:47So that debate has to happen in the UK initially before we have any discussions.
22:52And 10 years on from now, how do you visualize the European Union?
22:55Will it be enlarged?
22:57It will, in my ideal vision, would be slightly maybe enlarged, but enlargement is not a goal in itself.
23:04I'd like to have the United Kingdom back and I think Norway and Iceland are perfect examples within the European
23:09economic area already to join the European Union.
23:13But if European leaders are too tough and we don't have this pragmatism towards the United Kingdom now in upcoming
23:19months, this might only also slow down or close off the same development in Iceland and Norway.
23:25Yeah, I think it will closely follow it.
23:28Yeah, I agree. I think if we have a positive discussion about the UK, I think the reputation of the
23:33European Union would be very, very profoundly enhanced by seeing the UK recognise that it was a mistake to leave
23:39and to begin the process of applying to rejoin.
23:42And just a final point on EU enlargement. Could the EU function as 30 or 35 with this current veto
23:48system?
23:49Well, look, back in 2004 when we had the biggest accession, when all of the countries of Central and Eastern
23:55Europe joined, the argument was the European Union is not going to be able to function without really expanding QMV
24:02and withdrawing veto power.
24:04In fact, Ireland and other smaller member states insisted on keeping veto power and making sure that we limited QMV
24:10and the roof hasn't fallen in.
24:13In fact, the European Union does continue to operate quite well.
24:16Having said that, from a foreign policy point of view, I believe that there are areas where there should be
24:21an expanded QMV.
24:23Is that pragmatic?
24:23No, as Barry said, I think the European Union should continue as it is, as the treaty is now with
24:29the vetoes. The number of vetoes and policies has already been limited in the past before the Treaty of Lisbon
24:36as well.
24:36And I think we now have to safeguard this unanimity principle, especially if we want the UK back, if we
24:44want Iceland and smaller member states like Norway, potential member states to join.
24:49And it will really scare off these potential or real candidates if we abolish the national veto.
24:57And for my own member states, it's also been very important, not only for Ireland, but for other smaller member
25:01states to uphold the veto.
25:03OK, well, it is now time to move on to our fifth and final round.
25:11And like always, to close, we do something a little bit different.
25:14I'm going to ask our MEPs a set of questions and you can only answer with yes or no. Is
25:20that doable?
25:21Maybe.
25:23Is the European Union to blame for the Brexit vote? Yes or no?
25:26Yes. No.
25:27Is Nigel Farage, perhaps, to blame for the Brexit vote? Yes or no?
25:31Yes, yes and yes.
25:34Is Nigel Farage to blame for the Brexit vote? Yes or no? Yes, yes.
25:37Was Brexit a wake-up call for the European Union, Sander?
25:40Yes.
25:41Yes, I think that's fair. I think it's forced the European Union to reflect in a way that it hasn't
25:46done for a long time.
25:48And is the European Union more democratic now today than it was ten years ago, yes or no?
25:53There has been no treaty change, so no, it hasn't changed.
25:57No.
25:58Did disinformation decide the referendum in the UK, yes or no?
26:02Yes, I think.
26:03Yes, Cambridge Analytica, Russian money, massive disinformation.
26:07And will the European Union ever speak with one voice?
26:09Yes.
26:12Yes.
26:14And is Ursula von der Leyen a good leader, yes or no?
26:18No, I don't think so.
26:20Yes or no?
26:21Sometimes she's good on Israel, she's been a disaster.
26:24Is the EU doing enough to stay competitive against the US and China, Sander?
26:28No, absolutely not. We need more deregulation.
26:32No.
26:33And has the European Union become too dependent on regulation, yes or no?
26:37Yes.
26:38Yes.
26:39That is the big debate, of course, of Brussels today.
26:42Should national vetoes in foreign policy be abolished?
26:45I know your answer.
26:46No.
26:47In some instances, yes.
26:49Good to have allies in renew as well.
26:51Has the EU Green Deal strengthened the European economy?
26:55Yes.
26:56I don't think so. Not overall.
26:59And will we see another Brexit in the next 10 years?
27:02No way.
27:03No.
27:04And one final question.
27:05Is the future of the European Union bright, yes or no?
27:07Yes.
27:11Come on, Sander, you know the right answer.
27:14Yes, if we uphold the national veto and respect this national sovereignty as well.
27:19And on that conclusion, we can bring this edition of The Ring to an end.
27:22We'd love to hear as well from you, the ring at youruse.com.
27:25That is our email address, Barry Andrews and Sander Schmidt.
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