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00:19The world wants to know what is happening in Ayodhya.
00:25I, no doubt, I keep thinking that if God has picked me up, He will definitely ensure that
00:33I cross the river.
00:57Hello and welcome to all the viewers of Asianet News.
01:01We have brought you extensive coverage of the temple at Ayodhya, Ram temple at Ayodhya.
01:08During its construction phase, we visited the temple first in April 2022, then we followed
01:15it up with another visit in October 2022, then with another visit in August 2023, so that
01:22you were completely kept in the loop as far as the construction is concerned.
01:28And of course, then we visited during the Pran Pratishtha in January 2024.
01:33When the Pran Pratishtha happened, a lot of work needed to be done.
01:37Even the shikhar of the main temple was not ready.
01:40The parkota was not ready and all the attendant temples which are there in the complex were
01:45not ready.
01:46Now all of it is ready and we were fortunate to be invited back into the temple by Shri
01:52Nipendra Mishra who showed us around the entire complex.
01:56Mr. Mishra is the chairman of the committee which is constructing the temple and he also
02:02of course was the principal secretary to the Prime Minister, Shri Narendra Modi.
02:07You will see what all facilities have been created for the pilgrims, what all pains have
02:14been taken to make it more comfortable for the pilgrims to have their darshan.
02:20I am sure you will understand a lot more about what the temple is all about through this video.
02:432024 January was the Pran Pratishtha and the final tempest was ready 25 November.
02:51What were the main challenges during that period other than of course it would rain and all
02:57those things.
02:58Actually you should see the challenges from 2020 though we met of course and we have recorded.
03:08But the real thing, the message is that after we reached here when the Covid was there and at that
03:20time and then the construction started and then the foundation
03:29work of the temple was done.
03:32That is when we had come.
03:33I remember April 2022.
03:40It was in the August that Prime Minister had laid the foundation for the temple.
03:46In fact, the journey itself is an inspiration because the construction, the addition of building, the dream that what is
04:04necessary, it developed from stages.
04:06I had never thought in 2020 when I was to become construction committee chairman that such a huge temple will
04:15be my responsibility for construction.
04:18So, when I asked the Sompura architect where is your artwork on which you are shown, it was a small
04:29one mandap sanctum sanctorum and that is it.
04:35Then the trust met in Delhi and we decided, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
04:40It has to be a grand temple.
04:42Then the five mandaps were thought of.
04:45Then the two storey construction was thought of.
04:48Then it was thought there will be Ram, there will be Ram Darbar, Ram Parivar, and then the second one
04:57sanctum sanctorum will have the rarest of the rare manuscripts, Ram and Udghu.
05:03One is there already, one is there and we have already circulated in the crowd and in fact exactly at
05:1411.30 a family is coming with their manuscript which is 300 years old and they are coming to give
05:22it to us and the experts will be there to examine but see how things were changing.
05:39You see this, the windows, they are total 32 in number, only in this area, it is only in this
05:49area, that is called Pradikshana, Sanctum Sanctorum, then the Pradikshana, now normally one would have made simple window, correct,
06:01but the locals here and some institutions in Delhi, they said no, it should be something which will never destroy
06:12itself, so what is that, then the only thing was titanium, you can't get titanium normally,
06:18so there is a defence ministry's PSU called Middhani, so Mishran Dhat Nigambhai, then a design was given to them,
06:30then they made it, finally, because it required all kinds of jet cutting and etc.
06:37etc., etc.
06:38It was done in Hyderabad, brought here and installed.
06:43So now, when you say the journey, this is the thought of 2024.
07:02The dream kept evolving, who gave the dream, I don't know, if you say did you think of it, the
07:09answer is absolute no.
07:11Only thing is, I am just a medium to execute, which somehow, the entire consensus told us, you have to
07:22do this.
07:31Did everything go as planned when something started?
07:35Everything did not go as planned, but delays took place.
07:45Problems are there.
07:48For example, this, the problem now today is, that we have to settle.
07:55It looks easy, but the problem is, the design which was given to them, that the total loss, process loss
08:08is more than 52%.
08:12That means, if you put 100 titanium, 52% is just lost.
08:18That's a big…
08:19That's a very big amount.
08:21So, we have not yet settled, should it be 52?
08:25Should it be 32?
08:27What is it?
08:28They have built for 52.
08:30We are now working, examining, taking information from those who know the subject, taking even information from the private sector.
08:41There is a company doing titanium work in Lucknow.
08:45So, the owner was requested to come, he was shown, and we asked him.
08:52Now, we have to settle this.
08:54Now, on the face of it, it looks very easy.
08:57We have just ordered, we should do.
08:59Correct.
08:59But when it comes to final resolution of a problem, in a manner which is just and fair, it does
09:09require…
09:20I will say, it was a journey of dream realized in stages.
09:28And the dream came from the devotees.
09:39The dream came from saints and sages who had thought this is how the Ram temple should look like.
09:52So, clearly, it looks very easy, we have decided.
09:56But to take a decision that here, this will be Santh Pundalik of Pandarpur.
10:04Yes, yes, yes.
10:05So, what is the story?
10:09Should we select this or something else?
10:12There were challenges that how do we ensure that the real ones have been picked up?
10:17So, we had to consult.
10:19There were five people knowing the background of Ved, Puran and the story of such saints.
10:31They recommended that these are the 79 murals you should put.
10:36Okay.
10:37That's how it is.
10:48This is the Sant Chokhamila.
10:51We have all, only such bronze murals have been especially picked by a group of saints.
10:59Only pick up those personalities are saints who followed Maryada Purushottam.
11:06That is, whatever was the saying of Bhagawan, Ram, they followed in real practice.
11:14So, that is what, and see the face of them.
11:19This was done by Sutar.
11:21Okay.
11:22Yes.
11:22Anil Sutar, the son of Prima.
11:24I know Ram Sutar.
11:30Sant Ek Nats.
11:31Man who followed this thing eradicating all forms of social inequality.
11:48But tell me, overall, when the temple is complete, are you satisfied with anything or do you still think, with
11:55hindsight, some things could have been done differently?
11:57The satisfaction will come from the expressions of the devotees, from their faces, how they are seeing it, if they
12:09are satisfied.
12:11If I am standing here, they somehow, they do make a guess that this guy is the person who is
12:17one of the team members who is responsible for construction.
12:21Now, if he is happy, he may just stop and pause.
12:25If he is not, he will just go, because he is experiencing heat, no facility for water, and so he
12:33warns that there should be water which must be kept here.
12:38So, the question of satisfaction, I have to wait.
12:43But, how do they generally react now?
12:47You would also have feedback from all the people around, even guards and other Panditji.
12:52I will be very honest.
12:53My main concern would be devotees and the devotees of all the states of India and devotees from outside India.
13:07If they comment that the management and darshan was hassle-free and he could see everything, then it is satisfactory.
13:19Correct. Agree.
13:20But, if it is not…
13:22It is for them, ultimately.
13:23So, if you said that what is the pilgrim satisfaction level, I will say it is yet only 60%.
13:36What would need to be done to make it higher?
13:39First, the devotees, when they come, they must get the entry.
13:45And, for that, more important is the small things for signages.
13:56Are they telling the right way or is he lost?
14:00After the signages, he has to deposit his mobile because he is asked.
14:06He can't carry mobile.
14:08You are not able to go with shoes, although here it is allowed.
14:14But, see, people since they have come from temple, they are going without because they will collect the shoe finally.
14:20Later, yes.
14:21So, the arrangement could be that we should make it in a manner that after Bhagawan darshan, they can go
14:28collect the shoe and then he starts.
14:29Without, actually, much change in their routine.
14:33Yeah.
14:33How the whole system…
14:35And, we have to learn.
14:37It is a learning trail and it must improve.
14:42Then, there are people who should be there guiding in different languages.
14:47They are not there.
14:48We have to put that facility there.
14:51So, what about those, you know, headphones which you can turn in any language?
14:58It is one lakh people.
15:00You can't.
15:01Even giving and collecting will take one day.
15:05It is a challenge.
15:05We are not able to do it in a museum.
15:08Correct.
15:09Where only a thousand people will come.
15:11Correct. I agree.
15:12Yes.
15:12In fact, a Bangalore company.
15:15Aap hoddars are there.
15:18They have explosive unit.
15:20They are very rich.
15:21But, their hobby is to make some museum.
15:24So, they are going to create an immersive Ram Katha which will show all this.
15:32It is 3D.
15:33I get it.
15:34Some of the things which you also did at the Pradhan Mantri Sangat.
15:40Yes.
15:40That has to be developed.
15:42Is it in the pipeline?
15:43Yes.
15:49So, what do you think about how much time you should do?
15:52As you said, you are evolving.
15:54So, you know, there is nothing.
15:55The benefit of hindsight is always there, of course.
15:58You know what is needed.
16:02You also know the shortcomings.
16:06But, at this stage, reality wise, it is reality number 2 and 3.
16:12Okay.
16:12One is completion.
16:14Which it is now almost, isn't it?
16:16Yeah, it is now.
16:17Now, we will have to go for little more detail.
16:23Now, for the example general.
16:25You can make out even from a different state.
16:27And, you know, he is not well on it.
16:29You are able to get someone who should display.
16:34Tamil, may I help you?
16:36Correct.
16:36If that was there, you would have spoken.
16:38Correct.
16:38My worry is, it should not appear as a North Indian temple only.
16:43Correct.
16:44That's what the Prime Minister said.
16:45That, look, your main challenge is, make it not just all India.
16:52Make it Sanatan, Dharm, temple.
16:55Correct.
16:56That is what we have to make.
16:58Correct.
17:08How does a pilgrim, you know, how do you make him comfortable when it is 45, 46 degrees and stone
17:15all around?
17:16There is radiation from stones also.
17:18How to make it comfortable for the pilgrim?
17:20First thing important for him to drink is water.
17:26At this stage, I would say, it is not yet enough.
17:33The second is, and I will show you, that he must have a cover on his head,
17:45so that if he is walking, both by the entry and also the exit, he must get that.
17:57I will show you what kind of construction has gone into that, and how do we ensure it.
18:17You must get the idea that you have come out of Prakuta.
18:22Okay.
18:23But this is still inside the 5-acre zone or outside?
18:27No, you are in the 71-acre zone.
18:30So, this 5-acre begins from inside this?
18:32Yeah, 5-acre is inside.
18:34Okay.
18:35Now, you are covering the remaining.
18:39For example, on the right side, what you see green, this is the, in a way you can call it,
18:46the master toilet.
18:48At any point of time, it can accommodate 250 people.
18:55Okay, I see.
18:56Here are these other...
18:58Now, on the left side, you are seeing Sesha-Avatar temple.
19:06Sesha-Avatar, okay.
19:07Now, Sesha-Avatar is Lakshmanji.
19:09There is a history of this.
19:11And Lakshmanji's temple, it was very special here from Vashtu's point of view.
19:17The belief was that if you don't build this and if the height of that Shikhar, it doesn't go to
19:30the level of Sanctum Sanctorum, then you do not get the advantages of Vashtu.
19:35Really?
19:36Okay.
19:37So, we followed it.
19:38This is the exit.
19:40Right?
19:41And they are now going.
19:42The right side are the 7 temples that you asked.
19:46Okay.
19:46Okay.
19:47So, Shabrimata, Nishat.
19:48Shabrimata, Nishat.
19:49Each one of them, these are the Sapt Mandir.
19:53Okay.
19:53Okay.
19:54Agas, Muni.
19:56Dilya, Hilya.
19:57Yeah.
19:58Okay.
19:58And now people visit here freely.
20:01I also noticed it's a more non-elite crowd.
20:08Oh, yes.
20:08Oh, yes.
20:09This is actually a poor man's temple.
20:14And the reason for that is, you must understand, at one point of time, Ayodhya and the Ram Mantir,
20:24was seen as a temple of North India.
20:30And the people who were coming, the captive crowd or devotees, they were of Eastern UP.
20:41Really?
20:42So, about 22 districts, all going right up to Baliyah, Banaras, Aryamgarh, etc.
20:52Maximum crowd came from there.
20:55And they were poor people.
20:58Their per capita income comparatively was half of the normal.
21:02So, that is what was originally seen.
21:07But now, it has become a must for every citizen of India.
21:14Yeah, all over the country.
21:14I can tell you, the families, the elderly people ask their children, I want one Larshan of Ram.
21:24And that is how people come.
21:26Oh, nice.
21:26If you see the lanes coming and your trains carrying, then you realize, oh, God, this is what we have
21:35to provide comfort.
21:42You asked about the heat.
21:45Now, here you see the construction.
21:48What thought went?
21:49Okay.
21:50I will explain to you.
21:56This is the canopy, that construction, right?
22:01People are walking on that.
22:03Correct.
22:03So, they are not getting the sun.
22:06They are protected.
22:07There is a fan and they are walking.
22:09This canopy will take them right up to the exit.
22:13So, it will extend all the way.
22:15Yeah, yeah.
22:15All the way to Subviv Kila.
22:17So, what remains to be done right now?
22:21Outside 71 acres, here only, two constructions have to be done.
22:27One is Trust Office and the other is Auditory.
22:31Yes.
22:31I have seen this.
22:32I have seen this.
22:32Yes.
22:33But I will just now take you.
22:35Now, this is what you are watching.
22:38This is foolishly here.
22:41Yesterday, I told them to remove it immediately.
22:43What is the police cabin?
22:44The police cabin.
22:47The importance of this, they don't realize.
22:49This is the place where, if we had come before 2020,
22:57Bhagawan was here.
22:58Okay.
22:59The tent was here.
23:00Yes.
23:00Now, we have kept it.
23:02So, this is where he was.
23:04It is the same wooden structure.
23:07Mm-hmm.
23:08But, this is not done yet?
23:09Yes.
23:10It is done yet.
23:10It is done yet.
23:13It is done with 24 hours.
23:15Otherwise, it is all complete.
23:17Okay.
23:17So, it is not done yet?
23:18Yes.
23:19It is a light.
23:20Who will do it?
23:22Hewells.
23:23Hewells.
23:23It is made specially.
23:25It was done.
23:26But people didn't approve of that.
23:28Okay.
23:29So, now, that is being done.
23:31Otherwise, it is all complete.
23:40This is one construction, which has been completed now.
23:44Mm-hmm.
23:45I am now taking it to martyrs memorials.
23:47I see.
23:48Okay.
23:49That's important.
23:50So, Karshevats who were killed?
23:52500 years of people who sacrificed their life for Ram.
24:03We have already put the steel structure.
24:06Okay.
24:07The granite is being carved in a company in Meret.
24:11Mm-hmm.
24:12And that will be delivered on 25th.
24:14Of this month?
24:15Yeah.
24:16Okay.
24:16And 30th, it will be completed.
24:18So, the entire thing will have the granite.
24:23Okay.
24:23Lalitpur red granite.
24:24Okay.
24:25Will be here.
24:26So, this is the place?
24:27Yes.
24:27Yeah.
24:28That's martyrs memorial.
24:30And the message is written on that stone, where you see the black thing.
24:35Yeah.
24:39There is a cabin for each pilgrim.
24:42Mm-hmm.
24:42You put your mobile, this and that, shoes, etc. in a jute bag.
24:46And you?
24:47And give it to the person.
24:48He will give you a token there.
24:50And you are out on.
24:51Mm-hmm.
24:51But then, still you have to walk without shoes.
24:54Mm-hmm.
24:55So, we decided, 8 min at Rukhega, and then you take the photo.
24:59That the closest shoe counter should be this.
25:03Mm-hmm.
25:03So, this is the closest shoe counter.
25:08That must be filled before people are asked to go and deposit there.
25:12Mm-hmm.
25:13Mm-hmm.
25:13So, this can easily take care for a turnover of 5,000 people.
25:19At a time.
25:19At a time.
25:20That's large.
25:21Unless on very special days.
25:23Yeah.
25:23So, here it is slightly improved.
25:25You put it in the tunnel, your bag will go, come down to the ground floor.
25:31Mm-hmm.
25:32And then, you will just take it from here, where again?
25:37Chappal.
25:38Chappal.
25:38Chappal.
25:39Chappal.
25:40Chappal.
25:41Chappal.
25:46Chappal.
25:46Look, some things you realize, once people start going in, this is something which we
25:52should have done.
25:52Yeah.
25:53Correct.
25:54People are coming out, they will take pushad.
25:57If they have to donate, they will do the donation, and then go, collect the shoe, and walk.
26:10What is the maintenance?
26:11What is the maintenance?
26:12Now, maintenance is the job of the trust now.
26:17And operation and maintenance, they have signed contracts with different companies.
26:22For example, operation and maintenance of, let us say, the generator.
26:28Mm-hmm.
26:29It is with the supplier of the generator for five years.
26:33Okay.
26:33BVG are responsible for cleaning.
26:36Okay.
26:37BVG, of course, it's all over.
26:39Yeah.
26:40Condominiums in Delhi, Gurgaon also.
26:42Yeah, yeah.
26:42They have a lot of business.
26:49Now, we have taken a round of seven temples, and now we are entering.
26:55The Kuberti.
26:56The Kuberti.
27:04You are asking, that was where?
27:06This auditorium.
27:07Yes.
27:08Yes.
27:08That's a good look.
27:09What is the view?
27:10You see the blue sheet there.
27:12That is right.
27:12So, that divides between the security area.
27:16Okay.
27:16And that's it.
27:17And auditorium will be…
27:18There only.
27:19… will be screening, what kind of things?
27:22Oh, it could be Khatha, it could be…
27:25Something to do with religion all the time.
27:30And the most important thing is that it has been kept out of the premises so that the visitor there
27:42is not subject to security checking of the level it is here.
27:49DMR is doing all horticulture, all horticulture will be willing to pay 500 rupees but have the facility of the
28:11cart, the cart was available.
28:13Correct.
28:15Now, we take the wheel chair and give 300 rupees.
28:22So, naturally they are seeing.
28:25They would say, why can't we get it?
28:27Why can't we get it?
28:28I know, I can imagine.
28:29Because if it is going means it is possible to bring it.
28:31We have to remove privileges.
28:34That is the target.
28:36I agree.
28:38So, this is the Kuberka Tila, right?
28:40Yeah, and shoe temple.
28:48Now, we have closed.
28:50So, if it is open, people take the water.
28:54They can go in.
28:55Okay.
29:01Now, we have to take the water.
29:04Yes.
29:06Okay.
29:06Now, we have to take the water.
29:07Yes.
29:07Yes, sir.
29:07Yes, sir.
29:08Yes, sir.
29:08Yes, sir.
29:09Yes, sir.
29:10Yes, sir.
29:10Yes, sir.
29:11Yes, sir.
29:15You can see.
29:16Beautiful, right?
29:17Yes, sir.
29:18Yes, sir.
29:19Yes, sir.
29:20It is the name of Prime Minister.
29:22Now, the scale is taken from here.
29:24Yes, sir.
29:26Yes, sir.
29:32Yes, sir.
29:34Yes, sir.
29:34Yes, sir.
29:34This was an afterthought in the book?
29:35Yes, sir.
29:37Yes, sir.
29:37That, who is a living being that all the world can see the world?
29:54These are the farming ponds.
29:58You can see the wind coming.
30:01It's cold.
30:03Natural cooling also.
30:07When we came to Pranth Prashtha, it was very cold.
30:13I still remember, it was very cold.
30:14Pranth Prashtha.
30:30This is of course the new temple.
30:35There was also this thing about Hanuman Gadi and Kutkar Ghat.
30:42Are they developing?
30:45It's not in our focus.
30:56You had once said that you are talking to the state government said it will develop the whole area.
31:03There is a master plan which has been approved by the chief minister.
31:17The entire Ayodhya impact is in a way financed by devotees' contribution.
31:25Correct.
31:26So they must get the facility that they are little because it's a matter of faith.
31:34They will be willing to do anything to get their faith fulfilled.
31:43When I came here first,
31:45the first layer of Delhi didn't have the first layer.
31:48Then I came when the engineered soil was done and the seven layers of granite were being put.
31:55Only three layers were put at that time in some areas.
31:58Then when I came, some work had started happening.
32:02Then it was almost complete except for the Sanctum Sanctorum.
32:06But the project of this level to be carried out like this means if we put our head together we
32:16can do it.
32:17Yeah, yeah, yeah.
32:19It needed cooperation of everybody for a very timely.
32:40I wanted to ask one final question.
32:42You know, you were running the prime minister's office.
32:45Then you came here to build the most talked about construction in this country in over a century.
32:54How has this experience changed you?
32:57You will not believe because it sounds a little bit playing up my own personality.
33:07Therefore, I am generally hesitant but I will confess.
33:12Till I was principal security to the prime minister.
33:17So from the first day of training as Indian administrative service,
33:23you call it probation officer,
33:26till I left the PMO,
33:31mostly
33:34my description of achievement
33:39or doing completion of the work was
33:45very loud use of the word I.
33:50The I was coming very strongly.
33:54I
33:57organized this meeting and the decision was taken.
34:00Perhaps your training is such that you have to speak in that tone.
34:05Also because you are equally keen to impress your seniors.
34:15When here for five years,
34:20the moment the word I came,
34:23immediately I got a knock here,
34:25be humble.
34:26you are only an instrument.
34:31And I often quote,
34:33Ma Amrsa Nand Mahi
34:35had sent me a message.
34:38In that message it is written,
34:42remember,
34:43you are only an instrument
34:45to complete the task assigned by God.
34:50So these five years,
34:54it was jarring if somebody said,
34:56aapne ya bana diya.
34:57Really.
34:59It looked as if
35:00he and I,
35:02we are committing sin if you are believing it.
35:05This was totally a work assigned in a divine manner,
35:12also now complete.
35:15So,
35:15I had that satisfaction.
35:27And have you seen others around you also change like this?
35:30Because you have been involved with people for five years.
35:32I know,
35:33you know,
35:33Iledi se the,
35:34Tata se the,
35:35Baaki security ke the,
35:36people who have come and met you,
35:38rock management wale wo jo the,
35:41aate te,
35:41kahan se,
35:42kolaar se.
35:43Yeah, yeah.
35:44Maesur se te.
35:45Yeah.
35:46Unnain aapnei changes dekha in nuch hotei wa?
35:48See,
35:49the thing that I will say,
35:51because I never discussed the personal matter,
35:53but when I saw their cooperation,
35:59there was something compelling them.
36:05Not even a single person for a single moment ever said,
36:11he cannot do it,
36:13he is too busy,
36:15it can't be delivered,
36:17like that.
36:19Everyone said only one sentence,
36:21Ram ke kaam mein,
36:23hum jude jayen,
36:24isse bari koon si cheej hai?
36:26So,
36:27sab logge chaste se,
36:28ab mujhe kaam di gei hai.
36:30They almost felt as if it's a privilege to be given some work.
36:33To go,
36:34see,
36:34hap mujhe kaam di ji jiayi,
36:36hum toh Ram ke naam pe kaam karengi.
36:38Suga ki kaam.
36:45Kaam di jiayi,
36:45kipnay lgo gho honnei payment nahi liya hai.
36:48Aap poochh righ tae,
36:50àap poochh righ tae,
36:51isse sur ki kiran ka,
36:54wo joh sara gadget hai,
36:57jiske jeliye sur ke kiran fal khar sai hai,
36:59bhaagawaan ke ispe.
37:01That has been done by a firm in Bangalore.
37:07And when we asked what will you take for this work, he says zero.
37:13He has not taken any money, he has just done it, he has just taken it and he is going
37:19to
37:19do the operation and management also free of cost.
37:31Initially, when the Sangh and Vishindu Parshad decided to launch a collection, they went
37:41to more than four lakh villages, they contacted more than 10 crore families and they could
37:49get donations.
37:50Of course there were big donations, but a small donation to big donation, the total was 3200
37:57crores.
37:58Correct.
37:59So when you say, this is good, it is good because we are sitting on money.
38:07Money was never.
38:08In fact, the challenge is, and maybe we may not have passed that challenge.
38:14It should have, I mean the ask of the time was, the assigned responsibility to us was, please
38:25handle this donation money very carefully.
38:30It is God's money.
38:33Don't waste.
38:35Give away money like that.
38:39That was important.
38:42It even now remains important.
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