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00:08Właśnie w czasie uchwytanie Kristen Rybki, z Państwa mówiąc 15 lat.
00:17Właśnie wprócz которая spotkał się na wielka rzecz uchwytaniami z Europą.
00:25Przedeć się na ekonominach w porządku, a które impacta wszystkich usłysza w Europie.
00:30Luis Alberto z tym razem.
00:35Ejejształ się na ekonominach superpowers.
00:39A market z 450 milionów konsumersyjów i najważniejszym krajomu.
00:46Jednak w tym roku się nie małżeń.
00:48Wszystkie industrie są podczasu.
00:49i biznesy
00:51i globalne
00:57competition jest
00:57tougher
00:58i
00:58europe
00:59it
01:00qunęż
01:00time
01:00artificial
01:01intelligence
01:02and
01:02clean
01:03technology
01:03to
01:03defense
01:04production
01:04and
01:05critical
01:05raw
01:05materials
01:06europe
01:06is
01:06lagging
01:07behind
01:09so
01:09can
01:10the
01:10eu
01:10reinvent
01:11its
01:11economy
01:11for
01:12a
01:12new
01:12era
01:12is
01:13deeper
01:13integration
01:14the
01:14answer
01:14or
01:15does
01:15europe
01:15need
01:16more
01:16risk
01:16taking
01:16and
01:17will
01:17the
01:18framework
01:18for
01:18a
01:18peace
01:19deal
01:19to
01:19stop
01:19the
01:19iran
01:20war
01:20bring
01:20down
01:20energy
01:21costs
01:21quickly
01:24well
01:25a lot
01:25to
01:25unpack
01:26here
01:26for
01:26our
01:27contenders
01:27and
01:28here
01:28they
01:28are
01:30jörgen
01:31warbon
01:31a
01:32swedish
01:32m.p.
01:33from the
01:33central
01:33right
01:33european
01:34people's
01:34party
01:35he
01:35serves
01:36in
01:36the
01:36committee
01:36on
01:36international
01:37trade
01:37where
01:38he's
01:38played
01:38a
01:38prominent
01:39role
01:39in
01:39shaping
01:40the
01:40european
01:40parliament's
01:41trade
01:41policy
01:42agenda
01:42he
01:43says
01:43europe
01:44will
01:44only
01:44remain
01:45a
01:45global
01:45heavyweight
01:46if
01:46we
01:46reinvent
01:47our
01:47economy
01:47by
01:48cutting
01:48the
01:48regulatory
01:49burden
01:49that
01:50holds
01:50our
01:50companies
01:50back
01:51securing
01:52affordable
01:52and
01:52reliable
01:53energy
01:53including
01:54nuclear
01:54power
01:54opening
01:55new
01:55markets
01:56through
01:56more
01:56free
01:56trade
01:57and
01:57putting
01:57competitiveness
01:58at the
01:59heart
01:59of every
01:59decision
02:00we
02:00make
02:02lina
02:02ralvez
02:03a
02:03spanish
02:03mp
02:04from the
02:04socialist
02:05and democrats
02:05group
02:06she chairs
02:06the committee
02:07on women's
02:07rights
02:08and gender
02:08equality
02:09and is a
02:09member
02:09of the
02:10delegation
02:10for relations
02:11with the
02:11united
02:11states
02:12as well
02:12as a
02:13committee
02:13on
02:13industry
02:14research
02:14and
02:15energy
02:15if europe
02:16wants to
02:17compete
02:18we need
02:19to
02:19advance
02:19in
02:20the
02:20integration
02:20of
02:20the
02:21union
02:21she
02:21said
02:22the
02:22answer
02:22is
02:23not
02:23to
02:24deregulate
02:24it's
02:25to
02:25integrate
02:25that
02:26is
02:26how
02:26europe
02:26competes
02:27without
02:27sacrificing
02:28the
02:28social
02:29model
02:29or
02:30the
02:30climate
02:30goals
02:33so let
02:33me welcome
02:34to the
02:34ring
02:34jürgen
02:35warborn
02:35and
02:36lina
02:36galvez
02:37great
02:37to have
02:38you
02:38here
02:38good
02:38to
02:38see
02:39you
02:39both
02:39the
02:40aim
02:41of
02:41the
02:41ring
02:41is
02:41to
02:42offer
02:42our
02:42viewers
02:43a
02:43glimpse
02:43at
02:44european
02:44parliament
02:44debates
02:45so
02:48ready
02:48yes
02:49yes
02:49all right
02:50now
02:50i want
02:51to start
02:51with a
02:52look
02:52back
02:52at the
02:53beginning
02:53of the
02:54century
02:54europe
02:55accounted
02:55for
02:56one-fourth
02:57of
02:57global
02:58gdp
02:58today
02:59it's
03:00down
03:00to
03:0015
03:01percent
03:02now
03:03where
03:03when
03:04and
03:04why
03:05did
03:06we
03:06lose
03:07ground
03:07here
03:07lina
03:08i want
03:08to
03:08start
03:08with
03:08you
03:08well
03:09first
03:10of
03:10all
03:10thank
03:10you
03:10for
03:11having
03:11me
03:12here
03:12and
03:13i
03:15think
03:15poorly
03:16we should
03:17stop
03:17what
03:17happened
03:18in
03:18the
03:18financial
03:19crisis
03:19and
03:20the
03:20answer
03:20we
03:21gave
03:22to
03:22that
03:22crisis
03:22it
03:23was
03:23not
03:23the
03:23optimal
03:24one
03:25we
03:25answer
03:26with
03:26austerity
03:27that
03:28really
03:29slowed
03:29down
03:30our
03:30economies
03:31and
03:31it
03:31took
03:32a
03:32while
03:32to
03:32recover
03:33when
03:33we
03:33were
03:34recovering
03:34it
03:35came
03:35covered
03:35we
03:36managed
03:37to
03:37go
03:37out
03:37from
03:38covered
03:38better
03:38than
03:38expected
03:39probably
03:39with
03:40next
03:40generation
03:41EU
03:41funds
03:42but
03:42then
03:43later
03:43on
03:43came
03:44just
03:44Ukraine
03:45that
03:45affect
03:45us
03:46more
03:46than
03:48of
03:48our
03:49main
03:49competitors
03:50let's
03:50call
03:50China
03:51US
03:52and
03:52so
03:53we
03:54are
03:54lagging
03:54behind
03:55especially
03:55since
03:55that
03:56moment
03:56obviously
03:56there are
03:57other
03:57structural
03:58issues
03:59that
03:59probably
04:00we
04:00will
04:00be
04:00discussing
04:01but
04:01if
04:02you
04:03want
04:03me
04:03to
04:03say
04:03just
04:04one
04:05moment
04:05where
04:06everything
04:07started
04:08it
04:09is
04:09probably
04:09the
04:10financial
04:10crisis
04:10and
04:11the
04:11answer
04:11we
04:12gave
04:12to
04:12it
04:12she
04:13mentioned
04:13the
04:13global
04:14financial
04:14crisis
04:14so
04:15it
04:15affected
04:15everybody
04:16yet
04:16Europe
04:17lost
04:1710
04:18points
04:19in
04:19terms
04:19of
04:20global
04:20GDP
04:20your
04:21take
04:21yeah
04:22exactly
04:22and
04:23no
04:23I
04:23agree
04:23with
04:23Lina
04:24this
04:24is
04:24the
04:25story
04:25is
04:25true
04:26but
04:26what
04:27is
04:28more
04:28problematic
04:28is
04:29that
04:29the
04:29rest
04:29of
04:29the
04:29world
04:30continue
04:30to
04:31grow
04:31and
04:32Europe
04:32we
04:33didn't
04:33well
04:33we
04:33still
04:34grow
04:34but
04:34we
04:34grow
04:35much
04:35slower
04:35than
04:36the
04:36rest
04:36of
04:36the
04:36world
04:37at
04:37the
04:37time
04:38that
04:38you
04:38mentioned
04:38US
04:39and
04:40Europe
04:40were
04:41approximately
04:41same
04:42size
04:42in
04:42GDP
04:43and
04:43now
04:44the
04:44US
04:44is
04:44skyrocketing
04:45not
04:46speaking
04:46about
04:46China
04:47and
04:47India
04:47and
04:47Indonesia
04:48and
04:48Brazil
04:49all
04:50economies
04:50around
04:50the
04:51world
04:51is
04:51growing
04:52faster
04:52than
05:00nuclear
05:00we
05:01need
05:01more
05:01financing
05:02we
05:03need
05:03more
05:03free
05:03trade
05:04agreements
05:04and
05:04we
05:05need
05:05to
05:05integrate
05:05the
05:06internal
05:06market
05:06if
05:07we
05:07do
05:07that
05:07we
05:08can
05:08come
05:08back
05:08to
05:09growth
05:09but
05:09we
05:09let
05:10competitiveness
05:11we
05:12drop
05:12the
05:12ball
05:13and
05:13now
05:14we
05:14have
05:14to
05:14take
05:14the
05:14ball
05:14we
05:15drop
05:15the
05:15ball
05:18historically
05:19Europe
05:20invented
05:21many
05:22of
05:22the
05:23stuff
05:23that
05:24changed
05:24the
05:25world
05:25but
05:26failed
05:26to
05:26create
05:27companies
05:27on
05:27the
05:28scale
05:28of
05:28Google
05:28Apple
05:29or
05:30NVIDIA
05:31why
05:31is
05:32that
05:32so
05:32well
05:33historically
05:33the
05:34sectors
05:35that
05:35are
05:35leading
05:36the
05:36global
05:36economy
05:37are
05:37changing
05:37so
05:38sometimes
05:38you
05:39are
05:39in
05:39the
05:39right
05:39place
05:40sometimes
05:40you
05:40are
05:40not
05:41so
05:41obviously
05:42Europe
05:42was
05:43a
05:44leader
05:44a
05:44global
05:44leader
05:45in
05:45technology
05:46for
05:46long
05:47time
05:47but
05:49we
05:50were
05:50also
05:51we
05:51did
05:52not
05:53have
05:53the
05:53size
05:55of
05:56other
05:56of
05:57our
05:57competitors
05:58the
05:58US
05:59market
05:59obviously
06:00allows
06:01them
06:01to
06:01have
06:02scale
06:02and
06:03scope
06:03that
06:03we
06:04didn't
06:04and
06:05we
06:05invented
06:06the
06:06European
06:06Union
06:07in
06:07order
06:08to
06:08be
06:09sold
06:09and
06:10we
06:10have
06:10advanced
06:11quite
06:12much
06:12on
06:13our
06:13integration
06:14but
06:14not
06:15as
06:15needed
06:16for
06:17the
06:18current
06:19moment
06:19so
06:20we
06:20need
06:20to
06:21finally
06:22integrate
06:22the
06:23global
06:24market
06:24the
06:25union
06:25market
06:26we
06:26need
06:26more
06:26Europe
06:27at
06:27the
06:27end
06:28because
06:28that
06:28will
06:28be
06:28the
06:29only
06:29way
06:29no
06:30single
06:31country
06:32can
06:32compete
06:32in
06:33the
06:33sectors
06:33that
06:34are
06:34leading
06:34now
06:35the
06:35economy
06:35I'm
06:36glad
06:36you
06:36mentioned
06:36that
06:37Jörgen
06:38and I
06:38play the
06:40ball
06:40over
06:40to
06:40you
06:40when
06:41companies
06:42look
06:42at
06:43Europe
06:43do
06:44they
06:44see
06:44opportunities
06:45or
06:46do
06:46they
06:46see
06:47bureaucracy
06:47both
06:48I
06:49think
06:49there
06:50are
06:50obviously
06:51a lot
06:51of
06:52opportunities
06:52in
06:52Europe
06:53it's
06:53a
06:53big
06:54market
06:55450
06:55million
06:56consumers
06:56huge
06:57economy
07:00strong
07:01purchasing
07:02power
07:02from the
07:02consumers
07:03so yes
07:03they look
07:04at
07:04opportunities
07:04and we
07:05have
07:05them
07:05but we
07:06need
07:06to
07:06improve
07:07and you
07:07mentioned
07:07bureaucracy
07:08that is
07:08one of
07:09the
07:09parts
07:09of
07:09course
07:09and I
07:10think
07:10what
07:10happens
07:11is
07:11a lot
07:11of
07:12the
07:12issues
07:12is
07:12the
07:13digital
07:13market
07:13US
07:14took
07:15off
07:15we
07:15didn't
07:16to the
07:16same
07:16extent
07:17we
07:17have
07:18to
07:18fix
07:18that
07:18and
07:19that
07:19of
07:19course
07:19means
07:20changing
07:20our
07:21rules
07:21because
07:22they
07:22have
07:22different
07:22rules
07:23in
07:23the
07:23US
07:23they
07:23have
07:23different
07:24rules
07:24around
07:25the
07:25world
07:25and we
07:26have
07:26to
07:26make
07:27sure
07:27that
07:27businesses
07:28sees
07:28more
07:29opportunities
07:30and less
07:30bureaucracy
07:31and that
07:32means
07:32not least
07:33changing
07:34and modernizing
07:34the GDPR
07:36to make
07:36data
07:37more accessible
07:38for companies
07:39it means
07:39changing
07:40the
07:40AI act
07:41so more
07:42of these
07:42companies
07:43would
07:44allocate
07:45here
07:45and then
07:46it also
07:46about
07:47financing
07:47of course
07:48are you
07:50agreed
07:50I agree
07:51partially
07:53because
07:53I don't
07:54think
07:54regulation
07:55is the
07:55main
07:55problem
07:56obviously
07:57we need
07:58a
07:59simplify
07:59our
07:59process
08:00and
08:00everything
08:00that
08:00will
08:01be
08:01great
08:01for
08:01everyone
08:01so
08:02that's
08:02for
08:02sure
08:03but
08:03I
08:03think
08:03what
08:04we
08:04need
08:04is
08:04more
08:04digital
08:05sovereignty
08:05because
08:06our
08:06debt
08:06is
08:07flowing
08:07there
08:07and
08:08our
08:08money
08:08is
08:09our
08:09savings
08:10are
08:11flying
08:11there
08:12as
08:12well
08:12and
08:13because
08:13we
08:14don't
08:14have
08:14a
08:14united
08:15capital
08:16market
08:16and
08:17that
08:18means
08:18our
08:18savings
08:19are
08:20investing
08:20there
08:21or
08:21are
08:22financing
08:22their
08:22innovations
08:23and their
08:23deployment
08:24especially
08:25because we are good
08:26in research
08:27we are good
08:27in innovation
08:28but we are not good
08:29in deployment
08:30in bringing it to market
08:31and it's not only a question
08:33of regulation
08:33because for instance
08:34the artificial intelligence
08:35act was blamed
08:37even before
08:38we implemented
08:38so we are not
08:39competitive
08:40and digital
08:40because we have
08:41the artificial intelligence
08:42act
08:43and it was not
08:44even implemented
08:45so we really need
08:46to challenge
08:46that rhetoric
08:47that regulation
08:48is the
08:50only evil
08:51I think
08:52more integration
08:53is what we need
08:53and we need
08:54a unified
08:56capital market
08:56in order
08:57that our savings
08:58could also
08:59invest
08:59here
08:59I disagree
09:00I think
09:01of course
09:02the AI act
09:03was a problem
09:03before
09:04it was implemented
09:05because companies
09:06know
09:06that this will come
09:08and that means
09:09less investment
09:10in Europe
09:11more in the US
09:12so we need
09:13deregulation
09:14not least
09:15on the digital side
09:17we need
09:18to change
09:19the GDPR
09:20so it gets easier
09:21to get access
09:22to data
09:22for companies
09:23because this is
09:24the new oil
09:24this is the raw material
09:26for businesses
09:27and that's why
09:28US is taking off
09:29and Europe is not
09:31and if we change it
09:32I'm sure
09:33we can come back
09:34I'm sure
09:35we can compete
09:35with every parts
09:37of the world
09:37we have a lot
09:38of talents
09:38and brains
09:39and entrepreneurs
09:40that could do
09:41fantastic services
09:42that might solve
09:44a lot of the big
09:45societal issues
09:47and challenges
09:48like the
09:49climate challenge
09:50for example
09:51we need artificial
09:52intelligence for that
09:53so let's start
09:55to build in Europe
09:55let's get back to it
09:57and then
09:57you have to deregulate
09:59you have to create
10:00more energy
10:01more nuclear
10:01you have to make sure
10:03that we have more
10:03investments here
10:04and why don't you want
10:06to change the rules
10:07why don't you want
10:08to simplify
10:08and if you say yes
10:10what do you want
10:11to change
10:11what do you want
10:12to change
10:12the thing is that
10:13we differentiate
10:15on simplification
10:16and deregulation
10:17because deregulation
10:19is also protecting
10:21our business
10:21our consumers
10:22our economies
10:23I think what we need
10:24is more
10:25more digital sovereignty
10:26we need also
10:28that the
10:29this philosophy
10:31we are putting
10:32on the industrial
10:33accelerator act
10:34will go also
10:35to the digital
10:36package as well
10:37I know we can't
10:38be completely
10:39sovereign
10:39we are both
10:40in international
10:41trade
10:42I'm a just
10:42substitute
10:43in this committee
10:43you are the
10:45coordinator
10:45for the PP
10:46there
10:46and obviously
10:47we are for
10:49an open
10:49Europe
10:50and an open market
10:51and everything
10:52we have
10:52we are to
10:53for establishing
10:55really a good
10:56relationship
10:56this soft diplomacy
10:58on trade
10:58and research
10:59and innovation
11:00as we are doing
11:01with Horizon Europe
11:02with our
11:02life-minded partners
11:03but we need
11:05really to work
11:06on our
11:07sovereignty
11:09alas
11:09at the end
11:10of our data
11:11because they are
11:12the first
11:13companies
11:13so you can call it
11:14you can call it
11:15simplification
11:16it's different
11:16you can call it
11:17simplification
11:17I don't mind
11:18or deregulation
11:19or cutting red tape
11:21or less bureaucracy
11:22it doesn't matter
11:22as long as we cut
11:24the costs for businesses
11:26that's what counts
11:27so what cut
11:28for businesses
11:29would you like to do
11:30to facilitate
11:31for entrepreneurs
11:32in the digital sector
11:34so cut for business
11:35will have a better
11:36access to finance
11:37so unified
11:39of the financial market
11:41it will be
11:42to have better
11:44energy cost
11:45so we really need
11:46to go for
11:48renewable energies
11:49you say nuclear
11:50this is not
11:50obviously
11:51my proposal
11:54but really
11:55to increase
11:56the green
11:57deal
11:58and we need
11:59to build more Europe
12:00the budget we have
12:01is ridiculous
12:01for all the things
12:03we have to do
12:03I think we've
12:04we've touched upon
12:05the right issues here
12:07I'm very glad about that
12:08but I need to stop here
12:09as we're just
12:10getting warmed up
12:11it's now time
12:12for gloves off
12:17now
12:18we want viewers
12:19to get a real flavor
12:20of the European Parliament
12:21where members
12:22ask each other questions
12:24that means
12:25we want
12:25our debaters
12:26here today
12:27to challenge
12:27each other directly
12:28just as you do
12:30in the hemicycle
12:30behind us
12:31so let's get started
12:33Jörgen
12:34I want to begin
12:35with you
12:35your first question
12:36to Lina
12:37we just
12:38we just
12:39we just talked
12:40about the energy
12:41situation
12:42and I'd like to
12:43understand this
12:44from your perspective
12:45because Europe
12:46we have much higher
12:47energy prices
12:48than our
12:49competitors
12:50and it's
12:51really important
12:52for the energy
12:53intensive industry
12:53for the digital sector
12:55AI not least
12:56in Spain
12:57your government
12:58is phasing out
12:59nuclear
13:00fully functioning
13:01nuclear
13:03how could we
13:04how could we do that
13:05and still
13:06you know
13:07do the change
13:08to
13:08to more
13:09electrification
13:10to more
13:11competitiveness
13:12to less
13:13to less prices
13:15lower prices
13:16for businesses
13:16if we
13:17phase out
13:18the nuclear
13:18we need to build
13:20more nuclear
13:20well Spain
13:21is growing
13:22double
13:23than many
13:24other countries
13:25and really
13:26above the
13:27European Union
13:28average
13:29so something
13:30we are doing
13:30well
13:30because
13:31if we take
13:32GDP
13:33we are
13:34growing
13:35better and
13:36faster
13:36and we
13:38have invested
13:38a lot
13:39in renewal
13:39energies
13:40and within
13:41and also
13:41we are
13:42also investing
13:43in hydrogen
13:44and in
13:44new sources
13:46that we think
13:46are clean
13:47and safe
13:48not only clean
13:50because you
13:50can say
13:51well
13:51nuclear is clean
13:52but safe
13:54I don't think
13:55we can say
13:56it is
13:56it is clean
13:57so we are
13:57very respectful
13:58about the
13:59energy mix
14:00of each country
14:01so if you want
14:02nuclear
14:02you
14:03well
14:03you have to
14:04pay for your
14:04nuclear
14:04and
14:05it is
14:06it is
14:07your
14:08I mean
14:08each country
14:09responsible
14:10for
14:11the energy
14:13mix
14:13they want
14:14what they need
14:14to do
14:15is
14:16to work
14:17on
14:17this unified
14:18market
14:19now
14:19with the
14:20gas
14:20for instance
14:21we need
14:22to cooperate
14:23and coordinate
14:24all the countries
14:25we got your point
14:25well developed
14:27and now
14:27your question
14:28to Jürgen
14:28so
14:30your
14:30group
14:32constantly
14:33call for
14:34cutting red tape
14:35on rolling
14:36back the
14:36green deal
14:37as a route
14:37to competitiveness
14:38yet
14:40the dragging
14:40letter
14:41reports
14:41and also
14:42the European
14:42Central Bank
14:43and the
14:43IMF
14:44point
14:45to fragmentation
14:46so I was
14:47already
14:47saying
14:48not regulation
14:49the biggest
14:50break
14:51on
14:52European
14:52growth
14:52why does
14:53the EPP
14:54keep pushing
14:55the regulation
14:56as a cure
14:57when the real
14:58bottleneck
14:58is
14:59a single
15:01market
15:01that we
15:02still
15:03haven't
15:03completed
15:05I'm
15:05I'm really
15:05happy
15:06for this
15:06question
15:06because it
15:07also
15:07shows
15:08the
15:08difference
15:08here
15:08yes
15:09I'd like
15:10to continue
15:10to cut
15:11red tape
15:12I'd like
15:12to cut
15:13the costs
15:14for businesses
15:14and that is
15:15one
15:16it's not
15:16the only
15:16one
15:17but that is
15:18one of the
15:18most important
15:19things we need
15:20to do in
15:20Europe
15:21and that's
15:22why we need
15:22to change
15:23we took
15:24a lot of
15:24decision
15:25on the
15:26green deal
15:27last mandate
15:28and honestly
15:29we did some
15:30huge mistakes
15:31I'm still
15:32very committed
15:33to the
15:33climate targets
15:34and we have
15:35to build
15:35to neutrality
15:37by 2050
15:37but that
15:39there are
15:40different paths
15:40there and that's
15:41why we need
15:42to continue
15:42to cut
15:44red tape
15:45we need
15:46more investment
15:47in clean
15:48energy
15:48nuclear was
15:49mentioned
15:50we need
15:51a better
15:52internal market
15:53as you said
15:54more investment
15:55for businesses
15:56and more free
15:57trade agreements
15:58if we can do
15:58all those five
15:59things
15:59I'm sure we can
16:00come back
16:01to competitiveness
16:02and I'm sure
16:02there is a lot
16:03of business
16:04opportunities
16:04in the green
16:05sector
16:05in the climate
16:06sector
16:07in the clean
16:07energy sector
16:08and that's
16:09what I think
16:09we can do
16:10if we
16:11sort out
16:11all those
16:12five things
16:13I mentioned
16:14all right
16:15well we've
16:16heard the views
16:16from our guests
16:17now it's time
16:18to hear from
16:19a new voice
16:24for our quote
16:25of the week
16:26I would like
16:26to bring in
16:27Spanish Prime
16:27Minister
16:28Pedro Sanchez
16:29who has emerged
16:30as Europe's
16:31sharpest critic
16:31of Donald Trump
16:32and his war
16:33in Iran
16:34and of the
16:35global economic
16:36consequences
16:37this week
16:38he said
16:38this
16:40more than
16:407400 people
16:42have been killed
16:43most of them
16:44civilians
16:45hundreds of homes
16:46schools and hospitals
16:47have been destroyed
16:48prices have surged
16:50across the board
16:51and the economic
16:52damage has run
16:53into the billions
16:54of euros
16:55including
16:56in Europe
16:57this is the toll
16:58the conflict
16:59in Iran
17:00has taken
17:01Lina
17:02your comments
17:02on this
17:03completely right
17:04absolutely right
17:05and at the end
17:07this cost increase
17:08it's business paying
17:10this cost increase
17:11we're all paying
17:12right
17:12also publicly
17:13no we are not
17:14all paying
17:15because if you look
17:16to the Oxford
17:17Intermorne report
17:18that it was just
17:19published
17:20and you see
17:21the benefits
17:21the win for profits
17:23that the energy
17:26business are having
17:28they are multiplying
17:30in a way
17:31that it is
17:32really amazing
17:33and even
17:34that is
17:35going up prices
17:36even more in US
17:37than here
17:38but you have
17:39Donald Trump
17:40saying
17:40oh I love inflation
17:42it is now
17:424.2%
17:44I don't know
17:44if he loves
17:45that much
17:46but probably
17:46the people
17:47who do not
17:49love that much
17:50are EU citizens
17:51but he is probably
17:52not speaking to them
17:53but speaking
17:54to the powers
17:55that brought him
17:57to power
17:57right
17:57so when I said
17:59everybody's paying
18:00I meant
18:00you know
18:01consumers
18:01citizens
18:02in Europe
18:04at the pump
18:05for instance
18:06and now we have
18:09an agreed framework
18:11of an agreement
18:13we don't know
18:14all the details
18:14yet
18:15but markets
18:15have already reacted
18:17oil prices
18:18eased
18:18after the announcement
18:19of that framework
18:21agreement
18:22but some
18:23experts warn
18:24that it can take
18:25much longer
18:26than we all hope
18:27for oil prices
18:28to come down
18:29what is your
18:30take here
18:31do we have to be
18:31prepared for
18:33higher energy prices
18:35at least for the
18:36rest of the year
18:36yes
18:37unfortunately
18:38I think we have
18:39to do that
18:39I think there will
18:40be volatility
18:40in the market
18:41and we don't know
18:42how secure
18:43this deal is
18:45and what will happen
18:47you know
18:47when it comes to Trump
18:48Trump is not my
18:49favorite US president
18:50of all times
18:51I have to admit
18:52but I think sometimes
18:54in European politics
18:55like the driving force
18:57has been like
18:59you have to be
19:00against Trump
19:01and that's not
19:02my driving force
19:03my driving force
19:04what can we do
19:05to be pro Europe
19:07instead
19:07and if you have that
19:09as a motivation
19:10you end up with
19:11other measures
19:12other analysis
19:13and for example
19:15of course
19:15we just voted
19:16yesterday
19:17on the Turnberry deal
19:18the US
19:19and EU
19:20trade deal
19:21not the best deal
19:23in the world
19:23but I have been
19:24pushing for this
19:25because that is
19:26the best
19:27for European businesses
19:28that is what gives
19:30more predictability
19:31and more stability
19:32and I'm really happy
19:34that at the end
19:35also
19:35socialists voted
19:36for it
19:37it took some time
19:38I think we could have
19:39done it
19:40faster
19:41and that would have
19:42been better
19:42for business
19:43and for investment
19:43we'll talk about this
19:45in a minute
19:46but let's take a break
19:47right now
19:48here on The Ring
19:49we'll be back
19:50with more
19:51after this
19:52stay with us
20:01welcome back
20:02to The Ring
20:03Euronews'
20:04weekly debate show
20:05I'm Stefan Grobe
20:06and I'm joined
20:06by Lina Galvez
20:08from the S&D
20:09from Spain
20:09and Jörgen Wabon
20:11from the European
20:11People's Party
20:12from Sweden
20:13today
20:14we're talking about
20:15Europe's economic challenges
20:17and when we're having
20:18that conversation
20:19we hear a lot
20:19about dependence
20:20on China
20:21but what about
20:22dependence
20:23on the United States
20:24and here
20:25Europe has produced
20:27only three major
20:28AI foundation models
20:30compared with
20:3140 in the United States
20:33US companies
20:34account for
20:35roughly 70%
20:37of Europe's
20:38cloud infrastructure
20:39market
20:39and the US
20:41also supplied
20:42roughly 45%
20:44of EU LNG
20:45imports
20:46in 2024
20:47making it
20:47Europe's largest
20:49liquefied
20:49natural gas
20:50supplier
20:51Lina
20:52what would you
20:54like to
20:55underline here?
20:56well
20:57I would like to
20:58underline that
20:58indeed
20:59we have a lot
21:00of dependency
21:01with the US
21:02so why we needed
21:03a trade agreement
21:05we needed
21:06to
21:06the best trade agreement
21:08possible
21:08not ideal
21:10that is the reality
21:11we have
21:11because we have
21:12too many dependencies
21:13so we are not
21:14enough strong
21:15so while I go back
21:16to
21:17this previous idea
21:18it's not that
21:19we have to
21:20to do things
21:22against Trump
21:22or against China
21:24not only against
21:25Trump
21:26we need to
21:27reinforce what we have
21:28and for that
21:28I think
21:29to go
21:30for
21:31clean energy
21:32not nuclear
21:33but
21:34and for
21:35digital sovereignty
21:36this is very important
21:37advance also
21:38in defense
21:39and on innovation
21:40and preserving
21:41obviously
21:42our social model
21:43and for that
21:43we need this
21:44soft
21:44diplomacy
21:46but I think
21:46digital sovereignty
21:48it is essential
21:49and for that
21:49we need more Europe
21:50and more budget
21:52because with a common budget
21:54it will be absolutely impossible
21:55with Trump
21:56you know
21:56the German Chancellor
21:57gave him a Germany jersey
21:58at the G7
22:00maybe that works
22:02but it is quite a serious situation
22:04Trump is pursuing
22:06his anti-European rhetoric
22:08at least
22:09so
22:10what should we do then?
22:12We should do three things
22:13mainly
22:14and that is
22:15beefing up
22:15our defense industry
22:17ourselves
22:17and more
22:18more money
22:19has to go
22:20to the defense sector
22:21in the European
22:22countries
22:23of course
22:23we need
22:24more free trade
22:25agreements
22:26so that we facilitate
22:27for our European businesses
22:29to do trade
22:30elsewhere
22:31both to source
22:32both to buy products
22:33from these countries
22:34but of course
22:35also to find new markets
22:36that's the diversity
22:37diversification strategy
22:39but then
22:40maybe the most important part
22:42of course
22:42is to develop
22:43European businesses here
22:45and that
22:46if politicians
22:48can take a step
22:48back
22:50and make sure
22:51that the market
22:51functions
22:52and that means
22:53less regulation
22:54in Europe
22:54that means
22:55more investment
22:56possibilities
22:57to change
22:58how we can
22:59create a better
23:00capital market
23:01here
23:01the internal market
23:03I would say
23:03is our strong
23:05weapon here
23:06and energy
23:06I mentioned energy
23:07and we disagree
23:08on nuclear
23:09I'm absolutely certain
23:10in order to
23:11create some
23:12independence
23:13of other nations
23:15we were very
23:15dependent on
23:16Russian gas
23:17there are two
23:18problems with
23:18Russian gas
23:19we are now
23:19dependent on
23:20US gas
23:22exactly
23:23so let's build
23:24more nuclear
23:25let's build
23:25more renewable
23:26and then
23:28Lena I'm sure
23:29you have
23:29lots of energy
23:30to say here
23:31in your reaction
23:32well I think
23:32that we agree
23:34but we disagree
23:35because for all
23:36that we need
23:37more Europe
23:38we need to advance
23:39on energy market
23:41on capital markets
23:43and on digital
23:44sovereignty
23:45preserving our
23:46social rights
23:47our democracy
23:48of course
23:49but for that
23:50we need
23:51to do
23:52some more things
23:54or at least
23:54coordinate
23:55some more things
23:56together
23:56and for that
23:57the common budget
23:58is essential
23:59so
23:59we absolutely
24:01need
24:02we need
24:03a long term
24:04budget
24:04of course
24:05but
24:05honestly
24:07the financial
24:08resources
24:09will come
24:10from the
24:10private market
24:11when I meet
24:12SMEs
24:12small and
24:13medium sized
24:13enterprises
24:14no one
24:15asks for
24:15more money
24:16they ask
24:17for
24:18less regulation
24:20lower energy
24:22prices
24:22better
24:24functioning
24:24of the
24:25internal market
24:25that's where
24:26the focus
24:27should be
24:27and when
24:28we use
24:29European
24:29money
24:30taxpayers
24:30money
24:31they could
24:32be used
24:32to
24:33I mean
24:34they are
24:34the catalyst
24:35for starting
24:36something
24:36they are not
24:37the engine
24:38taxpayers
24:38money
24:39is not
24:39the engine
24:40we need
24:40a lot
24:40of money
24:41in the current
24:41moment
24:41thank you
24:42very much
24:42now it's
24:43time to
24:43move on
24:44to our
24:44fifth
24:45and final
24:46round
24:49as always
24:49we're doing
24:50something
24:50different
24:51now
24:51I'm going
24:52to ask
24:52you a
24:52set of
24:53questions
24:53and you
24:53can only
24:54answer
24:54with
24:54yes
24:55or no
24:56all right
24:57Lena
24:58I start
24:59with you
24:59would
25:00Europe's
25:01economy
25:01be
25:02stronger
25:02today
25:03if
25:04Brussels
25:04had
25:04less
25:05power
25:05no
25:06no
25:08interesting
25:10should
25:11the EU
25:11suspend
25:12or scrap
25:13parts
25:13of its
25:14regulatory
25:14agenda
25:15to boost
25:16competitiveness
25:17yes
25:17less
25:18bureaucracy
25:18less
25:19bureaucracy
25:20simplification
25:21but not
25:22deregulation
25:24should
25:24Europe
25:25prioritize
25:25saving
25:26industrial
25:27jobs
25:27over
25:28climate
25:28targets
25:31yes
25:32in short
25:33term
25:33yes
25:33I don't
25:35think
25:35there's
25:36a dilemma
25:36there
25:37so
25:38I think
25:39we can
25:39make
25:40both
25:40go at
25:41the same
25:41time
25:42I agree
25:42okay
25:43should
25:44Canada
25:44become
25:45a member
25:45of the
25:45European
25:45Union
25:46please
25:47it's up
25:48to Canada
25:49I don't
25:51see it
25:51in the
25:52near
25:52term
25:52but it's
25:53up to
25:53Canada
25:53of course
25:54okay
25:54one more
25:55should
25:56Europe
25:56strongly
25:56regulate
25:57artificial
25:57intelligence
25:58no
25:59quite the
25:59opposite
26:00less
26:00regulation
26:01more
26:02market
26:02more
26:02solutions
26:03for
26:04businesses
26:04yes
26:05but
26:05good
26:05regulation
26:06and
26:06with
26:07other
26:07things
26:08because
26:08if we
26:08only
26:09fix
26:09our
26:10attention
26:11on
26:11AI
26:12regulation
26:13that
26:13will
26:14not
26:14work
26:14we
26:14need
26:14also
26:15more
26:15Europe
26:16and
26:16so
26:16on
26:17so
26:17okay
26:17and
26:18finally
26:18was
26:18there
26:19anything
26:19over
26:19the
26:19past
26:20half
26:20hour
26:21that
26:21your
26:22opponent
26:22said
26:22that
26:23you
26:23agree
26:23with
26:24many
26:25things
26:25I mean
26:26on
26:26this
26:26soft
26:26power
26:27and
26:27trade
26:27and
26:30diplomacy
26:30and
26:31many
26:31things
26:31we
26:32disagree
26:32in a
26:32couple
26:32of
26:33things
26:33but
26:33the
26:33rest
26:33I
26:34think
26:34we
26:34agree
26:34very
26:35important
26:35things
26:35that
26:36we
26:36disagree
26:36but
26:37I
26:37fire
26:38off
26:38now
26:38no
26:39no
26:39no
26:39I
26:40agree
26:40and
26:41I
26:41would
26:41like
26:41to
26:41single out
26:42one
26:42issue
26:42where
26:42I
26:42think
26:43we
26:43can
26:43make
26:43a
26:43lot
26:43of
26:44change
26:44and
26:45that's
26:45the
26:45internal
26:45market
26:46let's
26:47make
26:47it
26:47truly
26:48work
26:48for
26:48European
26:49consumers
26:49for
26:50workers
26:50and
26:50for
26:51businesses
26:51we
26:51need
26:51a
26:51better
26:51budget
26:52so
26:52you
26:52really
26:53need
26:53to
26:53convince
26:53your
26:54country
26:54and
26:54your
26:55group
26:57it's
26:57reducing
26:58it's
26:59reducing
27:00the
27:00barriers
27:01for
27:02services
27:02I
27:03believe
27:03in
27:03this
27:03entrepreneurial
27:04state
27:05idea
27:05and
27:06now
27:06it
27:06is
27:06more
27:07needed
27:07because
27:07the
27:07US
27:08is
27:08doing
27:08even
27:09if
27:09they
27:09think
27:09they
27:09are
27:09not
27:10doing
27:10the
27:10industrial
27:10reduction
27:11act
27:12went
27:13in
27:13this
27:13direction
27:14and
27:14don't
27:14talk
27:14about
27:15China
27:15or
27:15India
27:16you
27:16guys
27:16can
27:17continue
27:17over
27:17coffee
27:18after
27:18the
27:18show
27:19all
27:20right
27:20and
27:20that
27:20final
27:21answer
27:21brings
27:21us
27:21to
27:22the
27:22end
27:22of
27:22this
27:22edition
27:23of
27:23the
27:23ring
27:24thanks
27:24again
27:24to
27:24Lina
27:25Galvez
27:25and
27:26Jörg
27:26Marbon
27:27for
27:27a
27:27lively
27:27conversation
27:28here
27:28from
27:29the
27:29European
27:29Parliament
27:29thanks
27:30to
27:30our
27:30audience
27:31at
27:31home
27:31if
27:31you
27:31like
27:32you
27:32can
27:32continue
27:33the
27:33conversation
27:33by
27:34sending
27:34us
27:34your
27:35comments
27:35to
27:36the
27:36ring
27:37at
27:37euronews
27:38dot
27:38com
27:38that's
27:39it
27:39for
27:39today
27:39I'm
27:40Stefan
27:40Grobe
27:40take
27:41care
27:41and
27:41see
27:41you
27:42soon
27:42on
27:43Euronews