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00:00Like these industries are capital intensive, but if the ideas do not work, they fail miserably as well.
00:07And in history, a lot of these industries have done some expensive mistakes.
00:12I think we have almost missed the silicon bus.
00:14Wow! We are going to miss the Galen Asset bus.
00:17We have missed the India Porsche bus.
00:19We have missed the Galen Light Trade bus.
00:21We have missed the silicon carbide bus.
00:36Very warm welcome to Namtech, sir.
00:40Before we jump into the nitty gritties of advanced semiconductors, we would like to know your journey.
00:47So in semiconductors, you started very early and usually there are some moments in life,
00:53either a professor inspired you or maybe some problem that stuck in your mind or it was a paper.
01:01What happened that you chose this field very early on before going for your PhD in NUS?
01:10I want to know your journey from your school days to college and what happened and why you chose this
01:16field.
01:17Yeah. So first of all, thank you for inviting me to Namtech.
01:22It's been a good experience so far at Namtech.
01:25For me, it is, it hasn't been a fortuitous type of situation.
01:31It has been during my UG.
01:34Once I finished, I knew about semiconductors.
01:37I mean, at least I learned during my UG classes, semiconductor.
01:41That somehow fascinated me. Semiconductors fascinated me.
01:45And then when I happened to go for the entrance exam for IAT,
01:53then also the questions were all semiconductor-related, interestingly.
01:57And of course, that time it was quite basic questions.
02:00You know, doping, what is N-type, P-type.
02:04I went with interest.
02:06I went with a lot of interest in there for pursuing a PhD in semiconductors itself.
02:11So that was one to start with.
02:14So I began with knowingly jumping into something.
02:18And that is the time people in the science would know that I heard about the MOS concept,
02:25which has been the vehicle for all the semiconductor revolutions now.
02:30So, yeah, and the MOS itself.
02:33And here is where I liked the professor too, my supervisor.
02:37I liked.
02:38So, it combines with a very conscious mind and with a good professor in mind.
02:44And I had to cut short my PhD at IAT for some personal reasons.
02:52But then that quest was always there in me that I should be continuing with this.
03:00And then, of course, within India, for some, again, personal reasons, I had to take up a job.
03:08And it was a very welcoming job, actually, to me.
03:11It was in one of the R&D establishments.
03:15And again, in a very practical way, I learnt a lot of semiconductors.
03:20And I thought, this is not a diversion, but I thought India was pretty good at getting into semiconductors pretty
03:29early, actually.
03:30If I recall, in early 80s, almost from 80 onwards, I could see institutes, a manufacturing line in semiconductors at
03:44that time.
03:44I don't know, after that, there was a lull or something, but it went down.
03:49But there was a lot of activity around good fab line, silicon fab line.
03:53And I saw, in IAT, good silicon fab line, clean rooms, all the manufacturing or at least R&D scale
04:02equipment.
04:04So, that was one.
04:05And then, the R&D, which I joined, also gave me good exposure to, again, semiconductors.
04:13In life, the orientation, liking, one is, of course, to get a job and take up a job, what comes
04:21your way.
04:21The other one is, choose your job.
04:24Or third one is, you're fortunate to get your liking in one go itself.
04:29So, to me, I thought I was fortunate to get my liking to start with.
04:34Yeah.
04:35So, the R&D gave me good experience in some very extremely high frequency, millimeter wave devices, making fabrication and
04:46all that,
04:46which I thoroughly experienced and thoroughly enjoyed.
04:51And that, you know, honored me at a very young age.
04:55That encouraged me further.
04:57Now, but then, again, there were greener pastures, I thought.
05:02So, that's when I switched over to Singapore.
05:06I mean, I casually saw that a new big industry has walked into Singapore and they were eagerly looking for
05:12some manufacturing engineers, scientists.
05:17And when I happened to look at that paper, it happened to match my skill sets very well, actually.
05:24So, again, casually I applied, casually I got it, casually I came to Singapore to pursue this.
05:28So, it is a good combination and thought, yeah.
05:30Great.
05:31Great to know that.
05:32As you progressed in your career, in your studies, you went to Singapore to complete your PhD from a very
05:39prestigious university in the US.
05:41In some ways, your journey and Singapore's semiconductor journey is somewhat inseparable.
05:48You have seen Singapore growing from a scrappy electronic assembler to the state-of-the-art semiconductor ecosystem on a
05:56planet with a very limited resources.
05:59They have turned into something incredible.
06:02So, I want you to take us through that journey, very unfiltered, very raw journey, where you would have seen
06:10not the gleaming pictures, but the unfinished canvases underneath.
06:15You would have seen the failures.
06:17So, how Singapore has done that and what other steps we should learn from the Singapore's journey of last three,
06:26four decades?
06:26Yeah.
06:27So, I think that's a great question and I think I can relate myself also.
06:32That was a time when the world saw the tigers of that part of the world in semiconductors.
06:39Yeah, a little bit of uncertainty was there that it was a short-term work type of thing, basically.
06:47So, many of my peers and others were saying, you have a good thing out here in the country itself.
06:55Why are you leaving with a lot of risk with a very short term?
06:59So, that was a starting point, basically.
07:01Exactly.
07:02Now, how it grew up?
07:04Yes, it was again a very interesting journey for me because I literally saw when I went in just a
07:12year or two years back, the metro line had started just then.
07:17And that was fascinating to start with.
07:20I went to the company first day.
07:25That was again very fascinating.
07:27The work culture and just very high-tech building with lifts rolling up and down.
07:37And inside, again, a fab line, a big fab line with all the instrumentation out there.
07:48And so, it was something for a moment I thought, wow, will I be able to fit in this?
07:55That was the first apprehension I had.
08:00And well, I went in with a lot of confidence that I should be able to do well.
08:05So, I think this is something which I think the prison students also should take into account.
08:14The confidence of doing well with your skill sets or whatever you have gained should be taken as an asset.
08:23With that asset, you have to get in.
08:26And then, I thought I quickly adapted to the situation out there.
08:32I was given the charge of a lithography bay.
08:39I was a senior manufacturing engineer out there.
08:43And straight away, right from day one, I was in the job basically out there, but worked very hard.
08:49I had night shifts and in a manufacturing line.
08:53I mean, I come from R&D, so at that stage, manufacturing line, no brakes, wafers, this is a finite
09:00number, has to come out with good yield and all that.
09:03So, I was in the midst of all that.
09:05Night time, any trouble, line should not stop.
09:09All these were there.
09:11So, I embraced all that basically.
09:15The industries are pretty good.
09:17At least, I found this industry very good.
09:19They were giving, at that time, it was a Kaizen concept improvements to improve.
09:27Doesn't matter even if it's small, keep on improving.
09:31So, to encourage that further, the company said, whoever gives good suggestions will get an incentive of $10 or something
09:40like that.
09:41So, I used to observe very keenly what's going on and then give my suggestion and earn $10.
09:47$10 was a very big thing for me there.
09:50So, and one suggestion I remember really clearly I gave.
09:53So, the operator was looking into the microscope with a stool out there.
09:59She was kind of in-line metrology to look at that, pass it.
10:04And so, I found her a little bit uncomfortable on the stool sitting.
10:08So, I thought this was affecting a bit of throughput and maybe some mistakes, some human errors and all.
10:14So, I just suggested that make the chair comfortable.
10:16Wow.
10:19So, anyway, so these are all good experiences in there.
10:22So, then the next stage was, as I said, my PhD quest was still there that I should be doing
10:30research.
10:30So, I switched over to the NUS and this time I switched over into a non-silicon material.
10:38So, it was a 3-5 material, gallium arsenide, indian phosphorylated material.
10:44So, the project was to make lasers of MBE-grown quaternary alloys, indium gallium arsenide phosphate basically.
10:53So, again I worked day and night there, early in the morning coming, hooking up liquid nitrogen tankers on the
11:01big MBE system.
11:03Let it cool and then grow the wafers and then next day early in the morning to open the chamber
11:09to take out the samples and things like that.
11:11So, it was, I wouldn't call it a strenuous but enjoyable hard work basically.
11:18So, on the Singapore side, it was making great strides from then on actually.
11:241991, from 1991 they had this National Science and Technology Board onward.
11:31So, they'd be making five-year plans every time.
11:33So, at a later stage of my life, I actually got into this five-year planning stage where inputs are
11:39sought from various institutes and organizations.
11:42So, I was aware of what's going on, how much funding is coming into the thing and what themes are
11:49being given.
11:50So, it was a well thought of program, I thought, from the government where they had clear view of what
11:58themes.
11:59So, they used to make calls on thematic calls and all that, inviting a lot of expats actually at that
12:04time.
12:05So, I think the external forces also contributed a lot to the growth of that.
12:10And then, so they had different phases.
12:13Like, one decade, it was labor-intensive type.
12:17The other, it was capital-intensive, just get all the facilities in place.
12:23Maybe there was another decade where knowledge-based, maybe.
12:27Then, another subsequent knowledge comes innovation-based type.
12:31So, they had some fantastic milestones, you know.
12:35This encouraged or triggered for the society, you know, the community to work towards that.
12:41Well-documented journey, you have told us.
12:43And it's, in a way, quite inspiring the way you have told that incentivization scheme even at a shop floor
12:50level, not only at the equipment manufacturers level.
12:54Absolutely.
12:54So, coming back to the last part of what you were telling that you had gained some of experience at
13:01institutes like A-Star, NTU.
13:04Just wanted to expand that question a bit more.
13:08That, if I say, one of the premium organizations in Singapore history, which has connected research with industries.
13:17I could say, very fairly, A-Star has done a wonderful job over there.
13:23So, I just wanted to know the psychology, the funding, the style of leadership, how they gain the talent.
13:31And what are their long-term and short-term visions were there?
13:35Because you have spent almost more than two decades in that prestigious institute.
13:40So, what has been your learnings which you can share with us so that we can maybe think from an
13:46Indian perspective of implementing those things?
13:49I think it was a very small entity to start with A-Star as such.
13:56First is, the theme itself was very good to have a very systematic R&D which bridges between academic and
14:08the industry.
14:10Basically, if it can, I don't know if I can see a last mile kind of thing, if it can
14:15do something towards that before it's churned out to that.
14:19So, it was a very unique or very purposeful thought to start with.
14:26And the way it grew up was not…
14:30See, again, as you know, it is a collection of institutes.
14:35And these institutes came over a period but very systematically.
14:41And this systematic vision was based on demand of the community and where the world is moving.
14:52IT industry was growing up.
14:54Oh, software…
14:55Oh, come on, let's have a software related…
14:57Then communication…
14:59Oh, come on…
15:00Infotech type of thing came up.
15:02So…
15:03And then, not only in the physical space basically or physical sciences, there was a lot later on in the
15:10biomedical.
15:10I probably have to give full marks to the government who was supporting a lot through funding basically.
15:17Majority of the labs out there or the institutes, they had a lot of foreign crowd there.
15:24Right.
15:24So, all this contributed well to the organization basically, I would say.
15:31Community was changing.
15:32Maybe SMEs need more help.
15:34So, collaborate more with industry or giving and then encourage startups.
15:39So, it requires again incentives basically.
15:43Yes.
15:43To say that, hey, you better open the startup if you have a good idea.
15:47Why don't you…
15:48Or, they had schemes like seconding people to industry.
15:52If you have some expertise, why don't you go in industry and help them to solve the problem?
15:57Put them there.
15:58One year, two years, whatever the period is there.
16:01And somewhere try to give some funding in between, you know, innovation, some innovative, promising idea to the market.
16:08Maybe some more funding for development.
16:10Why go elsewhere?
16:11Maybe give some funding to breach this kind of thing.
16:15So, all this made, I think, the organization what it is basically.
16:20Got it.
16:20So, it's not just one factor which influences.
16:23It's a complete package.
16:25It has to evolve and then it attracts the industry.
16:29So, there is one thing which always comes to my mind when it comes to semiconductor is huge capital intensive.
16:37And the second thing which comes to my mind when I read about the history of semiconductor is sustaining the
16:44success.
16:45So, if I combine these two things, I come to another set of questions which is like these industries are
16:54capital intensive.
16:55But if the ideas do not work, they fail miserably as well.
17:00And in history, a lot of these industries have done some expensive mistakes.
17:07India is at that verge which is starting a new chapter in the semiconductor growth.
17:14According to your experience in the last 30-40 years of semiconductor journey, what are the pitfalls India should avoid?
17:24First of all, to start this chapter.
17:27And second of all, based on your Singapore experience, to sustain this journey because sustaining is, I feel, it's more
17:34tougher than even starting it.
17:36That's right.
17:37I was having come to this earth much earlier probably and having put in more than four decades into semiconductors,
17:48all the while in semiconductors.
17:49In fact, I have seen the exit of vacuum tubes.
17:51So, then I used to tell my colleagues, I think we have almost missed the silicon bus.
17:57I knew about three, five materials when I was doing my PhD and all that.
18:01When I visit here, I see, wow, we are going to miss gallium arsenide bus.
18:06We have missed indian phosphoid bus.
18:08We have missed gallium nitrate bus.
18:10We have missed silicon carbide bus.
18:13So, this missing the buses was going on and on.
18:18So, I'm happy to learn, actually, now that he's making great strides from the highest level investment-wise, encouraging more
18:33companies in the semiconductor value chain.
18:38Now, pitfalls, you asked, that's a very valid point, actually.
18:43What do we learn?
18:44You see, the world has gone far ahead.
18:46Far ahead in terms of, even if we technically understand Moore's law, dimension of a gate,
18:52which defines everything basically, how technologically advanced you are.
18:57It's sub 10 nanometers.
18:59We didn't attempt to catch up.
19:01So, that's why the big difference has come now.
19:04So, it's a bit difficult to catch up with this technological advancements.
19:09A few decades ahead, actually, it has gone in various forms, basically, in forms of technology,
19:14know-how, in terms of infrastructure, in terms of peripheral infrastructures, main structure,
19:21in terms of the hardware required, in terms of skill sets required.
19:28Although, on the design part, fantastic.
19:31You know, almost 20% contribution is from this part.
19:34So, what are the pitfalls?
19:37And then, very early, the world realized that wherever this labor intensive should be taken
19:44away from, you know, the big intel and all they used to make microprocessors, were probably
19:49the only one at that time when it comes to front-end fabrication and all.
19:54So, when it came to packaging and all, or even memory, they pushed it out.
19:58So, then the other countries gained and then they became giants, basically.
20:02So, it is what it is, basically.
20:05So, now, we have to catch up with all that now.
20:08So, as you know, in a value chain, right from silicon sand substrate purified, almost zero
20:16defect substrate onwards, we have to start to make a product which incorporates high-end chips, basically.
20:25So, that value chain is very big.
20:30There is no dearth of intelligence, no dearth of talent, no dearth of numbers.
20:39Now, sooner we get those numbers in place, put them on skills, training, and get them the
20:51relevant opportunities, that is the mantra, basically.
20:56So, there has to be a mushroom growth, growth of entities, organization.
21:02I guess one of them is NAMTECH itself, where after graduating, although it could be electronics,
21:08electrical engineering, or even side mechanical related ones a little bit.
21:13I think the organization is trying to give some very applied kind of certificate or a coaching
21:21to gear them up or make it ready for the industry.
21:24I mean, this is a great idea, I think.
21:26And many more should be coming up like this, basically, like that, so that they have, before
21:31going for, you know, when they come to India, before saying, I need to train them.
21:38So, why don't you give me some trained one?
21:40So, there you are.
21:41You are answering their call, actually, there.
21:43So, I think that's number one.
21:47There should be many such entities fast, and they should be having some minimal resources
21:52there, so that they get some hands-on training before they go on to the jump.
21:56Bigger quantum jump, they go into the industry.
21:59Heavy training centers, which goes with that.
22:02skills, manpower, and I think I see a lot of initiatives being taken within the country
22:12to get them trained outside also.
22:14So, that is also going on, basically, which is, again, I mean, we need end of the day training
22:19and then coming back and then setting up something.
22:21So, wherever the good practice are there, it's good to get that practice, basically.
22:25So, I think it's an on, but I think we should probably leverage on our design expertise more, actually.
22:36Maybe these design expertise, I can understand why that expertise has grown up because limited
22:42resources in terms of real hardware.
22:45So, they grow on that path.
22:47But then, they should be also used next in terms of maybe the advanced packaging is coming,
22:54the architectures, thermo-mechanical aspects.
22:58I think the designers probably should pay some attention more towards that also for the OSAT industry.
23:04So, which is a positive thing which can be, but used positively should be for the OSAT industry.
23:10So, there are a few words which came out of your last answer.
23:16For instance, the Murray's Law and the design industry.
23:20So, I have a few questions around that.
23:23And, like regarding the Murray's Law, if I say, it is now slowing down.
23:28And the biggest reason is packaging.
23:30And one of the great advantage in Indian ecosystem was set up by India Semiconductor Mission in
23:39the ISM 1.0, where they have like trying to set up almost 10 centers by giving good incentive
23:46to those organizations.
23:49Out of those 10, 9 are in packaging domain.
23:52However, when I look from a different perspective and coming back to the Murray's Law, I feel that
23:58apart from some big names, if I exclude some big names,
24:02majority of them are starting with a legacy packaging.
24:05And we know that it is becoming obsolete.
24:08It is almost very difficult to extract profits out of it,
24:13unless you have a very large scale of manufacturing.
24:17And in this advanced packaging domain, the heterogeneous packaging,
24:22how do you see these industries going forward?
24:26How they are going to bridge those gaps?
24:29Are the partnerships, or they require funding, or they require industry academia support,
24:35or they need something else?
24:36I want to know your opinion on the advanced packaging side and how to bridge that gap.
24:41Yeah.
24:42I will be very honest on this, basically.
24:44Right?
24:45You see, in fact, I was approached for one other OS Act to advise, is it the right way?
24:54You see, the Moore's Law, one of the reasons, of course, the big reason is the advanced packaging
24:59which has come into play.
25:02Also, the geometries which were talked about has almost come to the limit, basically.
25:08I mean, shrunk to that extent.
25:10We are almost at the atomic scale right now.
25:13Atom by atom type of thing, basically.
25:15Now, so we reached one, two nanometer.
25:18The Moore's Law.
25:19Moore's Law to start with, you know, with this Gordon Moore was a trigger.
25:24A trigger which was mentioned, that's all.
25:27Which, it was a blessing in disguise.
25:29That trigger or that statement was a big incentive and impetus for so many industries
25:35to contribute towards that.
25:37Went on, went on.
25:38Let's prove this right, let's prove this right.
25:40And then it came to this limit.
25:42So now, it was packaging.
25:44Now, people thought that, ah, chip, high density limit has reached.
25:50I made fantastic, billions and billions of transistors out there.
25:54But then, I'm not satisfied with one.
25:58So, system on chip, all these things came up, basically.
26:03Now, or a package, I want something more than that.
26:07I want more and more information.
26:08I want more mobile with everything in that.
26:12So, what does it mean?
26:14So, you need to assemble all those fantastic chips together.
26:17So, fantastic chips means you have to package it together.
26:22So, different approaches.
26:23Okay, let me not have a package as such.
26:25Let me do away with the package itself.
26:27Let me put on a substrate itself.
26:29Chip on chip, chip on wafer, chip on the panel itself, basically.
26:36So, this advancement, the quest was always there.
26:39And then, package more and more.
26:41So, this way, this way, this way, we had, fine.
26:43No more space.
26:44This way, we're only, okay, go this way, skyscrapers.
26:48So, now this, but then coming back to your question of when the technology is developing this way.
26:55Yes, you are right, conventional, that's probably the only way.
27:01And the only way with the hope that there will be customers for this.
27:06Where all the things which are going on in the world for packaging, packaging,
27:11for the conventional ones, may come to this place.
27:16So, we are there to cater for them.
27:18But, you are right, should we not be stepping into heterostructures, heterogeneous integration,
27:263D, 2.5, the whole world is talking about where there's a capacity, where there are challenges to be solved.
27:33And then, but then, what is the input for all this?
27:36We lack still the input for this, right?
27:38What kind of heterogeneous packaging for what we do?
27:40Here in India?
27:42Yeah.
27:42We need to get chips, right?
27:43Yes.
27:44Fine.
27:44So, one way would be, let all the big names, all the big chips in whichever way,
27:52and whatever integration level they're talking about, let the chips come to here.
27:57But then, do we have the technology, right?
28:00Technology, okay, let the technology also come.
28:03We should encourage that.
28:05Okay, the next generation of heterogeneous integration to be done in this part of the world,
28:10the world.
28:11How?
28:12Well, it will take some time for the technology.
28:15So, we get everything.
28:18Problem also, customers also, big manufacturers also for the chips, R&D for 3D, also here,
28:28along with the companies basically.
28:30Alone, it could be a bit of a problem basically.
28:32So, yeah, this is a pitfall which probably answers your question, the rest.
28:37And the second part of that answer was, which intrigued me in some ways, about the design
28:44part.
28:45And you were talking, and we very well know that India produces almost 19% of world design
28:51engineers.
28:51We are the third largest, I would say, the producers of, I should not put it in that
28:57word, but we are producing a lot of engineers.
28:59However, we don't own the IP.
29:01If we say, say Arm is there, Synopsys is there, Cadence is there, who owns the IP of
29:07these?
29:07And there is that particular sector in that value chain has a most number of value addition.
29:15Coming to Indian geography, Indian context, I feel a few of these new companies are coming
29:21in this domain.
29:23I just wanted to take your side and your foresight.
29:27How do you see this going forward?
29:30These startups which are being incentivized through, say, DLI schemes.
29:34Government is pushing for a lot of these softwares which are being given for free, of
29:40course, which are multi-million dollar investments.
29:43Cadence and options.
29:44Yeah, the Cadence and options.
29:45How do you see this, the infrastructure growing in terms of the design?
29:49Will it be sufficient or we need to do even more than that?
29:53You see, I mean, I'm sure a great job is being done in encouraging universities.
30:00As it is, I think it was good, but then they've enhanced it further by, you know, offering the
30:06new schemes and then giving softwares.
30:08And probably every, all the engineers who come into the universities have some exposure of
30:14the design and very popular.
30:16I remember even four decades back here in India, I used to hear about VLSI design, VLSI design.
30:22I mean, it's become a standard VLSI, although world has gone well beyond VLSI, but the term
30:28VLSI still remains basically.
30:30So, and the design, I remember, in fact, I've read the history of the whole semiconductor value chain.
30:37So, there is, you know, Mead Conway from Caltech actually, they came up with a book of stick
30:43diagrams of design.
30:44Oh, that opened the whole arena of design basically.
30:48That's where people thought that design is interested.
30:51And somehow this part of the world got interested in designing because the resources are less
30:55in the new structure.
30:57It's less forgiving in that.
30:59So, now coming back to this, I think what is key is a very good initiative of some kind,
31:06the products and the design.
31:11You see, now the designers are very capable designers.
31:16The brain is in there.
31:17A lot of tools are there.
31:19A lot of AI is also being put into design.
31:22But then, what do I design?
31:25What new thing should I design?
31:26I guess the hope is with all these teaching more and more, giving more and more incentives
31:33to these designers, someday new design made in this part of the world with your IPO owned
31:41from this side might come up basically.
31:43So, that is the hope.
31:46Because unless I articulate a fantastic product with a fantastic performance for which a new
31:57design is required, you can't make a big mark on that.
32:00Otherwise, design is so deep rooted, as you rightly said, to get what more can we add.
32:07True, true.
32:08So, the product engineers, the application engineers, and there is so much of scope.
32:14For instance, defense for instance.
32:16What kind of system do you require?
32:19So, what kind of chips do you require?
32:21Can you articulate that?
32:23These kind of chips, highly customized.
32:25Customized means it's your IP.
32:28You design.
32:29And design skill is there.
32:32There goes.
32:33Leverage.
32:33With all this technical knowledge which we gain in this session, sir, one thing I still
32:40keep coming to my mind was your response when you said that I thought about that person
32:48who was sitting on a metrology chair and his chair was uncomfortable.
32:53And this is not something which is, I put it in the category of engineering.
32:58I put it in the category of behavioral or a personal aspect.
33:03And beyond this, your experience, four decades of experience in semiconductor technology,
33:09we came to know that you have written some books.
33:13So, usually the scientists or researchers, they keep their personal life and their professional
33:20life very separate.
33:22And in fact, their personal life, they do not put it on paper.
33:25And you find the courage to put your personal life where you have mentioned a lot of things.
33:32And you gain some interest, especially in the, I would say, the Eastern philosophies of yoga
33:41and spirituality.
33:44On the last question of this talk, I wanted to ask you about the pearls of wisdom from your personal
33:51life,
33:52which think that they are not mentioned in your CV.
33:55Okay, so thank you for asking me that question.
33:58And I think it seems you had the opportunity to peep into my sights.
34:03Yeah.
34:03On the LinkedIn and on the web.
34:05Yeah.
34:06I have written at least one book on this.
34:10Now, you know, I, to be short, actually, I would say, although it is full of challenges, it's been full
34:19of challenges.
34:21And, but still, I would say, nature has been kind.
34:25I still put it as nature is kind.
34:27And for several reasons also.
34:30So, now coming back to this.
34:32Oh, yes, there has been a very challenging personal life.
34:36Now, there are some very interesting things, which I thought I discovered later in managing all this.
34:44So, it's like looking behind.
34:46If I just look behind and say, wow, did I, did I go through all this?
34:51It is like that for me.
34:54Because of the following reasons.
34:56One is acceptance in life.
35:00So, whatever has happened, the most tragic thing which has happened in my lifetime, I never panicked.
35:10And I try to accept it.
35:14First thing is I accept it.
35:17Because I feel, unless I accept, I can't move forward.
35:20So, I accept it and then I move forward again because I see the big picture of life.
35:29I always see the big picture of life.
35:31In that context of big picture of life, I consider myself a miniscule.
35:37So, what is a cry about when you're such a small entity?
35:42But then the truth is I have to go home and have my dinner.
35:47That is the truth.
35:48Whatever happens, the truth is that.
35:52So, I believed always in that, that there is a next step, which is I have to go home and
35:57have dinner.
35:58That's a reality.
35:59So, if I don't think in those terms, I can't move forward.
36:04Number one.
36:05Big picture, also I mentioned.
36:07Third was, although, I mean, if people read, I only talk about challenges.
36:15What are those challenges, I think they should probably look into the book and then I don't think in the
36:20short while I can express everything.
36:22But then one would realize that with those challenges, it's very difficult to survive.
36:28It's rather a great challenge to survive itself with all those challenges basically.
36:33But then I wanted to move on.
36:38I wanted to address it.
36:39There were so many hardships in that.
36:42So, from a philosophy point, I kept my mind and heart or whatever part it is in the body well
36:51aligned.
36:52People say, oh, your heart is thinking this way, brain is thinking this way, this is thinking that way.
36:57I didn't want to think in those multidirectional ways.
37:02So, I aligned myself.
37:04What it's individual's practice or whatever it may be.
37:07Second thing is, I have kept myself extremely busy throughout my life.
37:14I never allowed my mind to take rest.
37:20So, I would have, even after all those challenging things which is happening, in the evening, I would go out
37:29and have a game of tennis.
37:32Singles game with a person half my age and try to beat him.
37:37That's how I take out my days, whatever you may say, work or tiring or the tiresome mood or whatever
37:47it is.
37:48And then, at night, for the mental faculty, I would go for puzzles and some humor.
37:58So, I would see the stand-up comedy and give a laugh.
38:04So, that's also a very strong motivator, I feel.
38:08And then, my days are extremely busy and start very early in the morning.
38:15And somewhere down the line, I thought maybe I should, as it is, I had disciplined myself in a very
38:23big way.
38:23It was self-imposed discipline.
38:26In fact, you will not believe I also discipline.
38:29In fact, I wanted to give an example when I do statistical process control.
38:34I monitor my weight through statistical process control.
38:40How I take the weight over a period of six months or three to six months, take the standard deviation,
38:48how much is the variation in that, take the mean, and then take a normal curve.
38:53And I see in which sigma I'm falling, whether I'm falling in six sigma or three sigma or two sigma.
38:58So, then, accordingly, I direct my…
39:00So, you see, it's a real practical way of pushing and then put some sense into the understanding of six
39:10sigma.
39:11Wow.
39:11So, that also gave me discipline.
39:16Okay, I should do yoga also.
39:19So, yoga is more for my physical and so I leave it to you to judge my age.
39:27Yeah.
39:29But then, more than that, this is something which I wanted to give back to the society actually.
39:36So, I take free lessons for yoga.
39:41For the last ten years, I've been teaching yoga free for which I could have made something.
39:46But then, that's not my profession.
39:48So, I just teach for the benefit of others.
39:53So, now I have a passion to contribute to this part of the world and where I can share my
40:03experience and knowledge, basically.
40:06I mean, otherwise, this knowledge is for what, basically?
40:08I mean, it's for sharing only, right?
40:10Yes.
40:11So, that's why I always aspire to have a big decision-making role.
40:19I always look for, now, at some place, a decision-making role where, with all your understanding of the past,
40:28you can contribute to the society and the wellbeing, basically.
40:34So, that's been the journey, basically.
40:36So, I still feel, and then, very important, if you give me, if money makes happy, if you give me
40:44huge money, I will not jump six feet high.
40:49If something's so tremendous, I will not go six feet deep.
40:54So, develop the equanimity type of approach in life, basically.
41:00A balanced way approach.
41:01It was very nice.
41:03I mean, I still feel that a one-hour session do not justify to know more about and I wish
41:12to have more such sessions with you.
41:14We, as a Department of Semiconductor Manufacturing, we all are really grateful.
41:19The thing which you left us to guess your age, I would say you are the youngest of all of
41:24us here.
41:25We are really grateful.
41:27We have spent whole day with the same energy and I am really indebted to your efforts, sir.
41:34Thank you so much for contributing to this growth success of India Semiconductor.
41:40Yeah.
41:41And, in fact, I enjoyed this visit and all the colleagues out here who have made this possible and wishing
41:49all the best, basically, to NAMTEC.
41:52Yeah.
41:52Thank you, sir.
41:53Yeah.
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