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00:00:00Now, your third inning is going on.
00:00:02I will say post-siasat retirement, basically.
00:00:05How is that going?
00:00:06Today, I'm doing tourism.
00:00:08It's a legal policy.
00:00:09The leadership of the government,
00:00:11they travel everywhere.
00:00:12We don't have exit control list.
00:00:14The poster boy was you.
00:00:17You were a hero.
00:00:18You were a marketing face.
00:00:20But within, just within eight months,
00:00:23there was a fallout.
00:00:25You can't understand.
00:00:26You can't read.
00:00:28What happened?
00:00:28You're saying that you, Nwais Sharif,
00:00:31all of the Pakistan,
00:00:32were asking the question
00:00:33why didn't I leave this question?
00:00:35Why didn't I leave this question?
00:00:35You think late,
00:00:36going to IMF was not a bad decision?
00:00:38The decision was to do the Prime Minister.
00:00:39I kept it in front of the Prime Minister.
00:00:41I said,
00:00:41I signed it.
00:00:42My life will be very easy.
00:00:44I signed it.
00:00:44The IMF agreement has come.
00:00:46This is the death of Imran Khan.
00:00:48The people who are laughing,
00:00:49the new people,
00:00:51they say,
00:00:51Look, when it's difficult,
00:00:53the first FI are cut.
00:00:56In May 2022.
00:01:20There is another way of seeing it,
00:01:22that in their eyes,
00:01:23Imran Khan is part of the problem,
00:01:25not part of the solution.
00:01:34You don't want to be part of this process?
00:01:37You have approached your friends,
00:01:38for the National Dialogue Committee.
00:01:40Imran Khan has two votes from Imran Khan,
00:01:44so you talk about Imran Ismaili Fawad Chaudhary.
00:01:46What was that turning point,
00:01:48where you lost the plot?
00:01:50What would you think?
00:01:51What would you think?
00:01:52I told him,
00:01:55I told him,
00:01:56I told him,
00:01:57you have the biggest public mobilization of Pakistan.
00:02:00This is the time.
00:02:01The modern mobilization,
00:02:02which you could not think about Pakistan's history.
00:02:06Now,
00:02:07time is hard power politics.
00:02:09Is it that Imran Khan,
00:02:11he didn't want to come in a normal process,
00:02:14he wanted to come in a normal process.
00:02:16He wanted to come in an invasion.
00:02:18What did you think?
00:02:19What would you think?
00:02:20I said,
00:02:20why would I tell you?
00:02:21After General Faiz,
00:02:23Khan has given all the government,
00:02:25and the government,
00:02:25and the government.
00:02:26Do you agree?
00:02:27We had two meetings in the Army house,
00:02:29which was the RFLV,
00:02:30Praveas Khatak,
00:02:31and I had two meetings.
00:02:33I said,
00:02:33we have to get on the plane,
00:02:36and we have to go to Saudi Arabia,
00:02:38and we have to go to UAE,
00:02:39and we have to go to China.
00:02:40And I also told him,
00:02:42that General Bajwa,
00:02:43because there is something to send us with the force.
00:02:45I think this privatization was needed.
00:02:48This is a very debatable thing.
00:02:49As a policy,
00:02:51you were anti-privatization.
00:02:53In this 10 years,
00:02:53there are 500 billion losses,
00:02:55because of you.
00:02:56If you don't oppose it,
00:02:57I'm asking you.
00:02:58You still have your speeches.
00:03:00Why didn't you do this last year?
00:03:02This was the government,
00:03:04this was the Army Chiefs,
00:03:05this was the Prime Minister,
00:03:07this was the Prime Minister,
00:03:08this was the Prime Minister,
00:03:08this was the Prime Minister,
00:03:09this was the Prime Minister.
00:03:09Why can't it happen?
00:03:18Hello and welcome to another podcast.
00:03:21My guests are very special today.
00:03:23They have been in great positions in the corporate world.
00:03:26They have been in great positions.
00:03:26They have also been in PTI.
00:03:28They have also been in finance and planning.
00:03:30They have also been in great experience.
00:03:31They have also been in corporate world,
00:03:33and the government.
00:03:34What are they doing today?
00:03:35We are talking about them.
00:03:36We are here with Asad Umar.
00:03:38Hello and welcome Asad.
00:03:39Thank you for joining us.
00:03:40Asad,
00:03:41since you are a great player of cricket,
00:03:42I will talk about you in cricket.
00:03:46In the test match,
00:03:48there are two innings that are made.
00:03:50Two innings that have also passed.
00:03:52Two chances.
00:03:52Corporate world,
00:03:53and the government.
00:03:54Now, your third inning is running.
00:03:56I will say post-siais,
00:03:58retirement, basically.
00:03:59How is that going?
00:04:00Better.
00:04:01Today, I'm doing tourism.
00:04:04I have two different priorities of tourism.
00:04:06I have the priorities of tourism.
00:04:08The most important time in tourism is judicial tourism.
00:04:13The legalism.
00:04:16Okay.
00:04:17Islamabad,
00:04:18Wahhababad,
00:04:19Lahore,
00:04:19and the local government.
00:04:22The most important time is,
00:04:24but the most interesting,
00:04:26the most important time for years,
00:04:27I and my wife are going to Gilgit,
00:04:29in Afghanistan.
00:04:30Okay.
00:04:31So, you are going to be local tourism.
00:04:33It will be local.
00:04:33It will be local.
00:05:04It is not strange.
00:05:13I think that every B.B.
00:05:15I understand that.
00:05:19But when you put your steps in the process, that was a problem too.
00:05:21It was a problem too.
00:05:22It was a problem with a problem.
00:05:25It was a problem with a problem.
00:05:27But as soon as it was done, complete support,
00:05:31so much support that it could not be expected.
00:05:33can happen. The whole burden of the corporate CEO has a big support system.
00:05:41The big company, everything is on a telephone call from you.
00:05:48From there, I also went to Islamabad a lot.
00:05:53I also went to Islamabad.
00:05:56Then after that, it was a big...
00:05:59In my opinion, Islamabad, Lahore, Karachi...
00:06:03There was no big event in which he didn't reach himself.
00:06:05There was no stage.
00:06:07There was a lot of people in the world.
00:06:08All of them did it for 76 days.
00:06:13Either in Karachi, CVU, or Islamabad.
00:06:18After that, after that, and then it appears...
00:06:23He says, although I claim credit to him,
00:06:27I said, I'm going to start...
00:06:30F.I.R. cut, jail, police,
00:06:33and there was a lot of tension.
00:06:38After that, there was a lot of tension on the house.
00:06:40There was a lot of tension on the child's name.
00:06:42So that was a lot of tension.
00:06:44But as you said,
00:06:45I would say that I would say that I am so...
00:06:48I would say that I would say that this is something that...
00:06:51So what do you keep busy on me?
00:06:53I mean, you don't have to be busy on the head.
00:06:55What are the issues of my head?
00:06:57I agree with you.
00:07:00I don't have to do the business.
00:07:03I do the business.
00:07:04So what I do, I do on social media.
00:07:08I share my comments, podcasts, TV programs when it's in the mood.
00:07:15I write a lot of articles.
00:07:18My investment has a lot of time for watching and managing it.
00:07:25Besides, I keep watching sports.
00:07:30That I know that you are very fond of.
00:07:33So do you miss the government?
00:07:35Absolutely.
00:07:36You don't miss the government?
00:07:38That's a lot of people.
00:07:41When you talk about your head and you take a lot of serious.
00:07:47So those who have seen me, when I was a legal attorney,
00:07:53I thought that I didn't feel a difference.
00:07:58I was driving a car at night.
00:08:01I was driving a car in the day.
00:08:02The car was 1,60,000 kilometers.
00:08:06It was an old car.
00:08:08It was just like a car.
00:08:10It was fun.
00:08:11I got to meet the ministry.
00:08:12He asked me to take a bullet proof.
00:08:16So out of curiosity, where will you take the bullet proof?
00:08:23We will take a car to take a car.
00:08:24They will take it.
00:08:24We will take it.
00:08:27We will take it.
00:08:29So, when I was used to it.
00:08:31In Islamabad, I was living in Islamabad.
00:08:32I was living in Islamabad.
00:08:35It was my home in the future.
00:08:35It is my home in the country.
00:08:36In 1992, in the April of the day,
00:08:39move to that time I was not a manager in the company. I was a section head.
00:08:44He was a manager. He was a general manager, vice president, CEO of the company and he was a
00:08:49vice president. So, he was living in his house. So, my life didn't have any police
00:08:54in my life. Neither had a police in my home. So, if you don't change your life,
00:08:59you don't have to be very serious. I'm a big fan of things. So, I just
00:09:04look at some of my friends who have a withdrawal symptoms. And it's
00:09:12I think that it's not a car. People are not coming back. So, let's go, we'll say that
00:09:21lifestyle is so popular. And when it comes to you, it's a withdrawal. But
00:09:28it's also a withdrawal. A lot of people are in depression and
00:09:36Did you go through that also?
00:09:38Absolutely not.
00:09:39I'm telling you, I've seen my friends.
00:09:42So I've seen my friends that I've seen that they're going through this problem,
00:09:47this problem, these are all those who have changed their lives
00:09:52and changed their own dignity and changed their own dignity.
00:09:56Or after going to an important job,
00:09:59those who didn't have such a good life,
00:10:01that's how their first class lives.
00:10:02chal tí ya. That eh ah ah a ah ah ah a joh hain bhoh sari
00:10:06look siausat na ayse hote.
00:10:08Jog khandani unka pâcheha ap semajhne seyaust na.
00:10:11Ah ah siausat se baar ho交na.
00:10:21Wo souc bhi niy saskta ď iska.
00:10:22Hmm. To meray jaisa ádmi joh professional
00:10:24eeg zindagayakusar harah tha hi.
00:10:25Aibran Khanne khaa kaya ji aap ki zurorot hai.
00:10:27Hmm. Tohamne ka acche chale bhoai
00:10:28ya aap ki madd kurte hai.
00:10:29Hmm. So web is a siausat eik choise
00:10:32you don't have a good charity.
00:10:34You don't have a good charity.
00:10:35You don't have a good charity.
00:10:36No one has a good charity.
00:10:39So that's why those things are
00:10:42many people who have a lot of depression
00:10:44are because they get to the poverty
00:10:47when they are in poverty
00:10:48and when they are in the big groups.
00:10:50So that's the money.
00:10:51That's the depression.
00:10:52Yes, you can say it.
00:10:56I'll say something.
00:10:57We don't have any difference between my life-stiles
00:10:58in my family.
00:10:59It's better than my family.
00:11:00It's better than my family.
00:11:03It's better than my family.
00:11:06Life has been easier.
00:11:08We are staying alone.
00:11:10That's all.
00:11:10So, the last thing on the line light.
00:11:13So, connection is my people with it.
00:11:16I'm working with the police and the leaders
00:11:19with it.
00:11:20I don't miss it.
00:11:23I don't miss it.
00:11:24People with it.
00:11:27People with it.
00:11:30People with it.
00:11:31People with it.
00:11:31People with it.
00:11:32It's a emotional relationship.
00:11:39I try to keep it.
00:11:43People with it.
00:11:44I'm confused by it.
00:11:45I do not want to go to my family.
00:11:47There is a lot of joy.
00:11:51I'm going to go home to their house.
00:11:55People say this is the second election.
00:11:58These are the people who have said what I have done.
00:12:03Now I'm going to say that I don't want to lose that connection.
00:12:07You don't want to lose that connection.
00:12:10So tell me, this is the third inning that you are running.
00:12:12Is it permanent?
00:12:14Or is it going to change?
00:12:16Your leader will also retire two times?
00:12:17You are going to change the world.
00:12:19I'm going to say that I don't want to lose that connection.
00:12:25I'm going to tell you that God has written what I have done.
00:12:28But I'm going to say that I don't want to lose that connection.
00:12:37I have told this many times.
00:12:39And in the media, I have also got some colleagues.
00:12:42They have got some knowledge.
00:12:43My family has got some knowledge.
00:12:45They have got some knowledge.
00:12:46And in the media, one person has got some knowledge.
00:12:52They have said that you have got some knowledge.
00:12:53In August 2021, when I decided that I will finish the term.
00:12:56Then I will not continue.
00:12:58Why?
00:13:00As I told you, it's a difficult life.
00:13:02They say that you have got a lot of fun.
00:13:06You have got a lot of fun.
00:13:08You are filling the room.
00:13:11At the end of the afternoon, in the afternoon,
00:13:13it was in the afternoon,
00:13:14I moved to the afternoon,
00:13:16at the afternoon and in the afternoon,
00:13:18you were going to go back.
00:13:20You don't have lunch break.
00:13:22As long as possible,
00:13:24you had to take the time for five minutes,
00:13:25and make the time for dinner there.
00:13:26You have to go to the afternoon,
00:13:28and you have to eat the food.
00:13:30I had to call my wife to my wife at night, so that was a half hour I would walk
00:13:35when I was calling.
00:13:37After that, you had to go to bed.
00:13:38I watched some TV, some sports, some comedy, and you were asleep.
00:13:43This was my life.
00:13:44How much is it?
00:13:46The car, the car, the car, the car, the car, the car, the car was better.
00:13:50So, that's why it's a difficult life.
00:13:54Tough.
00:13:55And Imaran Khan, let me tell you something about it, Imaran Khan, when I started talking about it, they were
00:14:00saying,
00:14:01you know what career was, leave her, don't do it.
00:14:06So finally, it happened that I came here for a year, and I told them,
00:14:09that now you are in opposition, so you don't have any great professionals to come to work.
00:14:15When you will become a leader, then the whole Pakistan will be ready to work with you.
00:14:20You will be prepared.
00:14:22So, Allah has to do it.
00:14:24The President won't win.
00:14:24The next election won't win.
00:14:26So, the President won't win in 2018.
00:14:28And after that, what I said, it was a good thing.
00:14:30The top Pakistan professional of the world,
00:14:33when the President said to me,
00:14:35you need to have to go to the cabina.
00:14:36Everyone came to the cabina.
00:14:37And the majority of the people, when the cabina was finished,
00:14:41the next day I was looking for them.
00:15:08So, that makes me think one more thing also.
00:15:12So, when Imran Khan was not in the government,
00:15:14the PTI took a new Pakistan's dream,
00:15:20and it was like a dream that a new Pakistan will be made.
00:15:24And when the whole dream was interpreted in 2018,
00:15:28when Imran Khan was in the government,
00:15:30you were the poster boy.
00:15:33You were the hero.
00:15:34You were the marketing face.
00:15:35But within, just within eight months,
00:15:39there was a fallout.
00:15:40Imran Khan, you can't understand.
00:15:42You can't read Imran Khan.
00:15:44What happened?
00:15:46This story has been so hard.
00:15:48We've been talking about 700 times.
00:15:49So, I don't have a new thing.
00:15:51I don't have to say anything.
00:15:52It's just that,
00:15:55you've received a vote for everyone.
00:15:58He received a vote for Imran Khan.
00:16:00He received a vote for Imran Khan.
00:16:02He received a vote for Imran Khan.
00:16:03He received a vote for Imran Khan.
00:16:05He received a vote for Imran Khan.
00:16:05He received a vote for Imran Khan.
00:16:05But there was a vote for the vote.
00:16:08But for it,
00:16:09in the cabinet,
00:16:11there was no public,
00:16:12no other person,
00:16:13no other person,
00:16:14I have to take the cabinet.
00:16:16So, when we took the cabinet,
00:16:17we asked the question,
00:16:18why did you take the cabinet?
00:16:19We didn't.
00:16:19We asked the question.
00:16:21Why did we ask this question,
00:16:22when they are not in the cabinet?
00:16:23And they have the cabinet,
00:16:25which are the most important
00:16:27two of the two in Imran Khan's mind.
00:16:29Because this was 8-10 months ago.
00:16:31So, they said,
00:16:32look,
00:16:33energy and finance.
00:16:34Two of them are the most important.
00:16:36One, you take it.
00:16:36One, you take it.
00:16:36One, you take it.
00:16:37Right?
00:16:38So, they were saying,
00:16:39take the energy ministry.
00:16:40Right?
00:16:41So, this is not my question.
00:16:43Why did you decide this question?
00:16:44I have never asked this question.
00:16:46Why are you saying that
00:16:47you are saying that
00:16:47in the finance and energy?
00:16:49The world's stories
00:16:50that we have heard
00:16:51that someone said
00:16:52that General Bajwa has said,
00:16:53that someone said
00:16:54that the government said
00:16:54that the government said
00:16:54that the government said
00:16:55that the government said
00:16:55that the government said
00:16:57No interest in that subject.
00:17:28No.
00:17:29I have no question.
00:17:30I didn't ask that
00:17:31I have done this question.
00:17:31Why is he making students
00:17:34that the government said
00:17:35that the government wants to answer
00:17:36what they have to answer
00:17:37and what the government is saying
00:17:39will be right?
00:17:40It's done.
00:17:41It's been done.
00:17:42It's happened.
00:17:42It's been done.
00:17:47It's been done.
00:17:50No, there is no benefit.
00:17:52But you have no position.
00:17:54If you don't have any benefit,
00:17:56you don't have any benefit.
00:17:57You don't have any benefit.
00:17:58You don't have any benefit.
00:17:59Don't talk about any benefit.
00:18:03So, a position that you have decided to decide.
00:18:09I think that your ministry was probably the one that was decided.
00:18:12No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:18:18So, a quarter or a quarter or a quarter or a quarter of a month,
00:18:21Khan Sahib had this announced.
00:18:23It was absolutely announced.
00:18:24It was in my election campaign.
00:18:26And after that, Hafiz Shaykh became there.
00:18:29Yes, Hafiz Shaykh.
00:18:29And you think that when I see it,
00:18:32you think it is just a change of the faces?
00:18:35Or you and Hafiz Shaykh's beliefs, mindset and policies
00:18:39is a very big difference?
00:18:41No, it was not a big difference.
00:18:43In terms of substantive policies,
00:18:45at a very high level, Hafiz Shaykh and my policies,
00:18:48you will see a commonality.
00:18:51And at that point, Hafiz Shaykh was also
00:18:53in his interviews,
00:18:55that there is a continuation of policy.
00:18:57It is not a fundamentally different policy.
00:19:00The difference is,
00:19:01if you say them and me,
00:19:03it is obvious that
00:19:05the fundamental difference was,
00:19:06I was in a political background.
00:19:08I was taking a vote.
00:19:10I am on the opposition to принять the force to understand
00:19:15his position because I nakli,
00:19:17I am on the opposition.
00:19:18and I am on the opposition,
00:19:18I am on the opposition.
00:19:20what I am on the opposition,
00:19:22it really is a big difference.
00:19:23To the opposition,
00:19:26that I would say,
00:19:27who was joined,
00:19:29which I am...
00:19:32that often,
00:19:33that I would say
00:19:35that my attention,
00:19:36sensitivity on cheezo ke opper zaada thi. Benizbat hafizhek ke. Warnah
00:19:40bunyadi policy ke ander koji bhout bada aisa ikhtelaaf nahi tha. Even
00:19:44joh IMF ka tha. Joh IMF ki original joh demands thii.
00:19:49Woh, maine prime minister zaayr hai. Faisla toho prime minister nne karna
00:19:51na. Mainei prime minister ke sámenne rakh liya. Mainei kaya ji
00:19:53mai saign kar sa toho meri zindegi to budeh asaan ho jayegi. Saign karo
00:19:56ka sa khatam. IMF ka agreement aa gya. Meri to ah, ah, ah, ah, kisi
00:20:00ah, pti ai ke bachchou ne ek video binaya bhi tha. Ah, june
00:20:05aur julye 2018. Yarni election se chand hafethe pahle joh
00:20:09programz mein kar raha tha. Us mein sate ya aathe mختلف program
00:20:12mein meinne kaha tha. Ke bailout na guzir hai. Hmm. Ab bailout IMFs
00:20:16ne karna hai ya kisi or ne. Sirf ye decide karna hai. Bailout ke
00:20:19bagayr to ho hi nisit ta. Bankrupt kar chukai ta. Uso ka economy. Bilkul
00:20:22biciara hai. Us mein Miftah ka bhi khusur nahi tha. Miftah ko to
00:20:25disaster mi lapaスト. Ah, ah, amis. Ah, ah, ah, ah, achieve khar neck
00:20:31goش کی بڑا ایک interesting قومی assembly کا exchange ہے مفتا اسماعیل
00:20:35finance minister ہے میں نے speech کی تھی جس میں میں نے کہا تھا کہ
00:20:38Titanic ہے وہ جو مشہور ship تھی اور یہ iceberg کی طرف جا رہا ہے
00:20:43اور کسی وقت بھی ٹکرا سکتے ہیں اور مفتا اس کا کھڑے ہو کے
00:20:47جواب دیتے ہیں وزیر خزانہ ان نے کہا کہ اسد صحیح کہہ رہا ہے
00:20:51لیکن یار اسد Titanic بہت بڑی ship ہے تو اس کو اور اسم بدلتے
00:20:56بدلتے ٹائم لگے گا سو اس نے بھی وہ صورتحال inherit کی تو
00:20:59بیل آٹ تو کرنا تھا تو IMF سائن کر لیتے میری تو زندگی آسان ہے اس کے
00:21:03بات میں کیا کرو یہ ہے تو IMF نے کہا ہے ڈکٹیشن دی ہے وہ کر لو
00:21:07میں نے ان کو کہا تھے یہ میں سائن کر سکتا ہوں میری assessment کے
00:21:10اندر یہ عمران خان کی سیاست کا ڈیتھ نیل ہے
00:21:14سو ہم کوشش کر سکتے ہیں بیک اپ پلان ہم نے بنایا ہم سعودی
00:21:19عربیہ گئے ہم وہ بھی بڑی انٹرسٹنگ تھی کہ ہم پرائم
00:21:24minister office میں بیٹھے ہوئے تھے پرائم minister secretariat کے اندر لیکن اس
00:21:28کمرے میں نہیں تھے جس میں پرائم minister speech کر رہے تھے
00:21:30اب امران خان پرائم minister پہلی اپنی speech کر رہے ہیں اس میں
00:21:33انہوں نے اعلان کر دیا میں نوے دن یا پتہ نہیں کتنے دن میں پاکستان سے باہر
00:21:37نہیں جاؤں گا تو سویج کا تو بھائی میں نے کہا یہ کیا
00:21:39اعلان کیا ہے کہ رہنین یا ساتھ بہت کام ہے میں نے کہا بھائی
00:21:42we have to get on the plane and we have to go to saudi arabia we have to go to
00:21:47UAE اور ہمیں چائنا جانا ہے اور ساتھ ہی میں نے یہ کہا کہ
00:21:50جنرل باجوا کو ساتھ لی لنا کیونکہ فوج کلاب ہمارے پاس بیچنے کو ہے
00:21:54کچھ نہیں
00:21:55so i remember and فوج نے بھی اس کے اندر مدد کی
00:21:59جنرل اسم منیر جو ہیں وہ ڈی جی آئی ایس آئی تھے خاصی طور پر
00:22:03UAE والے کے اندھے تو سب سے important role انہوں نے پلے کیا
00:22:06so وہ امران خان کا ایک نام تھا ایک دنیا مصاق تھی ایک
00:22:10credibility تھی تو ہم لوگوں نے between direct جو ہمیں
00:22:15deposits ملے ممالک سے اور جو سعودی ریبیا سے آئیل
00:22:20financing facility ہم نے دی deferred payment والی وہ گیارہ
00:22:23بلین ڈالرز کے قریب تھی ہمارے reserve stabilize رہے
00:22:26ہمارے کوئی run نہیں ہوا ہم نے negotiate کیا ہم نے فیصلے
00:22:29کیے جب میں وزیر خزانہ بنا عمران خان وزیر آزم بنے
00:22:34تو اس سے پہلے کے جو تین ماہ تھے ربیا یہ پاکستان کی
00:22:38تاریخ میں کبھی نہیں ہوا پاکستان کی تاریخ کا 77 سال کا
00:22:43بترین current account deficit وہ تین ماہینے تھے اوسط خسارہ
00:22:48دو اشاریہ ایک ارب ڈالر فی ماں پچھلا جو پورا سال گزر
00:22:54ہے نا اس میں دو ارب ڈالر کا خسارہ نہیں ہوا فی ماں دو ارب
00:22:58ڈالر کا خسارہ ہوتا وہاں سے ہم 2.1 بلین ڈالرز کا وہاں
00:23:01سب نیچے لے کے آئے اور جنوری فروری مارچ دوزار انیس
00:23:05was just 5 months after the year, the last three months, January, February, March, April,
00:23:12I resigned from cabinet, so it was 667 million dollars,
00:23:18so it was a pressure. So it was done with a back-up strategy, and then IMF, which was signed
00:23:28from the government, which was very low, which was 4-5 months ago. So the change was
00:23:37in the form of a society, the person who is going to vote in their homes, how are they going
00:23:45to vote,
00:23:46how are they going to vote, what are they going to do, so you think that IMF was not a
00:23:52bad decision?
00:23:53I have challenged myself, many times, no one has said that,
00:23:57If you sit with me, whether you are a citizen or a media expert or an economic expert, we will
00:24:04talk about it.
00:24:05This is not a general gap.
00:24:07If we do it, we will do it again.
00:24:10Come with me.
00:24:12Tell me which indicator is the wrong indicator.
00:24:15But you have conditions.
00:24:18At that time it was a hard condition.
00:24:20Yes, yes.
00:24:21I have a speech on record.
00:24:28So, you think that was not a bad decision?
00:24:31Okay, now tell me.
00:24:32I am going to talk about the recent conditions.
00:24:36You are seeing the economic conditions.
00:24:37When you left the escalation.
00:24:41The escalation has been increased.
00:24:44Now you think we have hit the rock bottom?
00:24:48Or you are watching this?
00:24:52The first thing is that
00:24:55No.
00:24:56No.
00:24:56After that, the escalation has been increased.
00:24:58The escalation has been increased in the peak.
00:25:00It was already gone.
00:25:03The 9th of May.
00:25:04The 6th of May.
00:25:06After that, there was a blast.
00:25:08So, it was not a blast.
00:25:10I don't know.
00:25:25The first thing now, the war was already closed.
00:25:27It was the 6th time of the government.
00:25:30The scandal in the empire.
00:25:31The capitalization of the night.
00:25:32The siege of the mandio.
00:25:32The firing of the judicial complex.
00:25:33The Islamabad, the war.
00:25:37The lama and the war were all affected.
00:25:39The land were women and Unsurring.
00:25:42The cars were turning back.
00:25:44The war had only happened.
00:25:46کی تھی لیکن اس وقت مجھے یہ ضرور یاد ہے کہ جو آپ نے
00:25:50پوچھا ہے نا مجھ سے لوگ بولتے تھے جب شروع ہوانا کہ
00:25:53ذرا سی سختی وارا شروع ہوئی تو لوگوں نے کہا اور کیا
00:25:58کر لیں گے میں کہتا تھا ابھی اور بہت کچھ کر سکتے ہیں
00:26:01تو اس کے بعد دو چار ماہ کے بعد اور کچھ ہو گیا اس سے
00:26:05بھی بڑی کچھ چیز ہو گیا اب اس سے زیادہ کیا کر سکتے ہیں
00:26:08ابھی اس سے بھی بہت زیادہ کر سکتے تھے سو بدقسمتی سے کیا
00:26:12اس سے بھی زیادہ خراب ہو سکتے ہیں حالات ہو سکتے ہیں
00:26:15اللہ نہ کرے کہ ہوں لیکن ہو سکتے ہیں اور ہو سکتے ہیں
00:26:18کا مطلب پھر یہ ہے کہ عمران خان کے لیے بھی status quo ہے
00:26:21وہ بھی جیل میں رہیں گے باہر نہیں آئیں گے پی ٹی آئی کے حالات
00:26:24ایسی ہی رہیں گے is that what you are forcing
00:26:25نہیں میں یہ forcing نہیں کر رہا آپ نے پوچھا تھا کیا یہ ممکن ہے
00:26:28کہ اور خرابیوں سے بالکل ممکن ہے اسی طریقے سے یہ بالکل
00:26:32ممکن ہے کہ اس سے بہت بہتری بھی ہو جائے حالات جو ہیں وہ
00:26:36بہتر بھی ہو سکتے ہیں so let's see اگر ہم اس story کی اس
00:26:41کہانی کا بھی اختتام نہیں لکھا گیا صحیح تو اگر اختتام
00:26:45نہیں لکھا گیا ہم دونوں scenarios اگر consider کر لیتے ہیں وہ
00:26:47تو میں نے آپ سے کہہ دیا اگر بتر ہوں گے تو مینز عمران خان
00:26:50کے لیے یہی جو ہے جیل ہی ہے اور وہ اندر ہی رہیں گے اگر
00:26:54بہتر ہوتے ہیں تو کیا آپ کوئی آپ کے دماغ میں کوئی ایسا بات
00:26:59آپ کو نظر آتا ہے کیا کیسے pan out ہوگا یہ پورا process دیکھیں
00:27:05اس کے اوپ تو خیر میں پورے مضبون لکھ چکا ہوں پورے
00:27:08اس کے اوپر podcast ہوئے ہیں detail کے اندر لیکن بنیادی وجہ
00:27:13کیا ہے کیوں میں سمجھتا ہوں کہ بہتری ہو سکتی ہے 99
00:27:15فیصد لوگ تو بولتے ہیں کہ نہیں ہوگی بہتری اور یہ تو
00:27:18ہمیشہ کے لیے فیصلہ ہو گیا کیونکہ مجھے جب میں تجزیہ
00:27:22کرتا ہوں نا cold blooded dispassionate ایک analysis کرتا ہوں
00:27:27تو مجھے نظر آتا ہے کہ دونوں sites کے interest میں کیوں
00:27:32ہے کہ کوئی نہ کوئی بہتری کی طرف relationship کو
00:27:37لے کے جایا جائے صرف ایک سائیڈ نہیں دونوں سائیڈ دونوں
00:27:42سائیڈ اس لیے جب وہ بنیادی وجہ موجود ہے نا تو کبھی بھی
00:27:48صحیح process یوز ہوا کبھی صحیح حالات نے اجازت دی تو یہ
00:27:53این ممکن ہے کہ آپ بہتری کی طرف بھی جا سکتے ہیں صحیح ہے میں
00:27:57تو آپ سے پوچھنا چاہوں گی دونوں سائیڈ کے لیے کیوں
00:28:00انٹریسٹ میں اچھا کیوں انٹریسٹ میں دیکھیں
00:28:03پی ٹی آئی کے دو لوگ بولیں گے نا کہ یہ بڑا
00:28:05obvious ہے کہ بھائی ان کے دو لیڈر جیل میں ان کی بھی جیل میں تو
00:28:08ظاہر ہے کہ relationship بہتر ہو دوسری سے کی کیوں انٹریسٹ ہے کیوں
00:28:13کہ ایک ملک کی جو طاقت ہے وہ ہے اس کا ایک ریاستی ڈھانچہ ایک
00:28:23یہ اس کی طاقت ہے اور دوسری اس کی طاقت اس کے عوام ہے ریاستی
00:28:30ڈھانچے کی طاقت اس وقت ایک طرف table کے ہے اور عوام کی رائے دوسری
00:28:36طرف ان دونوں کا ایک جگہ پر نہ ہونا ملک کے potential کو روک
00:28:44رہا ہے اگر آپ کی عوام اور آپ کی ریاستی ادارے ایک ساتھ
00:28:53چلیں گے تو ملک بہت بہتری کی حالات کی طرف جا سکتا ہے ابھی
00:28:58کی آپ دوہزار پچیس کا اگر آپ تجزیہ اٹھا کے دیکھ لیں آپ
00:29:01انٹرنیشنل اسیسمنٹس آ رہی ہیں آج کل میں تو بہت عرصے سے یہ
00:29:04بات کر رہا ہوں کہ پاکستان نے جب نرندہ مودی صاحب نے
00:29:12اٹیک کیا پاکستان کے اوپر اپنا وہ صندور آپریشن انہوں نے
00:29:17کیا اس کا جس طریقے سے پاکستان نے جواب دیا اس کے بعد جو
00:29:21پاکستان نے سٹریٹیجک مووز کی ریجن کے اندر تو پاکستان کے
00:29:25لیے عالمی دنیا کے اندر گلوبل لیول کے اوپر ایک ریلیونس
00:29:30کریئٹ ہوئی اور ہمارے لیے ایک سپیس کریئٹ ہوئی جس کا ہم
00:29:34فائدہ اٹھا سکتے ہیں لیکن وہ فائدہ ابھی تک ہم اٹھا نہیں
00:29:38پا رہے ہیں ایکانومی جو ہے وہ آج بھی جمعوت کا شکار ہے
00:29:42فورن ڈیریکٹ انویسمنٹ آج بھی بالکل نیچے چل رہی ہے اس کی
00:29:47ایک سے زیادہ وجوہات ہیں لیکن اس کی ایک بڑی وجہ یہ ہے کہ ملک
00:29:51کے اندر جو سیاسی بوران ہے جو آپ کے ٹی وی سکرینز کے اوپر نظر
00:29:57آ رہا ہے جو اخباروں کے اندر چھپ رہا ہے وہ ساری دنیا
00:30:02تک جاتا ہے وہ کوئی چھپے نہیں بیٹھے میں آپ کو مثال دیتا
00:30:06ہوں کہ ہم لوگ نوے کی دہائی اور نوے کی دہائی کے اندر جو
00:30:12ہے ہم آہ ہالنڈ کی کمپنی جو دنیا کی سب سے بڑی کیمیکل
00:30:17کمپنی ہے ہم ان کے ساتھ ہم یعنی انگرو جو ہے وہ ایک
00:30:23جوائنٹ وینچر معایدہ کر رہا ہے اور ہم نے پورٹ کاسم کے
00:30:27اندر ٹرمیل ڈیولپ کرنا ہے پہلے کیمیکل ٹرمیل بنا پھر اسی
00:30:30کو ہم نے ایکسٹینڈ کر کے پاکستان کی پہلی لن جی
00:30:32امپورٹ اسی ٹرمیل پہ ہوئی تو میں پاکستان کی سائٹ سے انگرو کی
00:30:37سائٹ سے لیڈ کر رہا تھا اس پروجیٹ کو جو ہالنڈ کی سائٹ سے
00:30:39کر رہے تھے وہ پاکستان آئے ہوئے تھے وہ میرے ساتھ
00:30:42تھے یہاں سے ہم واپس ساتھ گئے تو وہ اپنے دفتر جب گئے تو
00:30:46وہ کوئی ہفتہ دس دن کے بعد اپنے دفتر آئے تھے تو ہم
00:30:49دونوں ساتھ ہی انٹر ہوئے وہ اپنی ٹیبل پہ بیٹھے تو انٹرے
00:30:52میں اس وقت یہ ہر چیز جو ہے وہ ای میل سے نہیں ہوتی تھی
00:30:55پیپر بھی آتے تھے انٹرے سے وہ پیپرز نکال رہے تھے اور
00:31:00ہر تیسرا یہ چوتھا پیپر جانے وہ میرے سامنے پھیکتے
00:31:03جا رہے تھے وہ ہر تیسرا چوتھا پیپر پتا ہے کیا ہوتا
00:31:06تھا وہ کسی اخبار کی کسی ویب سائٹ کی کوئی آن لائن
00:31:09پلیٹ فارم کی کٹنگ ہوتی تھی کہ کراچی کے اندر اتنے
00:31:12لوگ قتل ہو گئے کراچی میں فلانی جگہاں گامہ ہو گیا
00:31:15کراچی میں الطاف حسین نے سٹرائیکی کال دے تھی
00:31:18سو جو فورن انویسٹر ہے وہ بڑا قریبی دیکھ رہا ہوتا ہے
00:31:22کہ میں جس ملک کے اندر سرمایہ کاری کرنے جا رہا ہوں
00:31:24وہ کیا رہا ہے
00:31:25تو یہ جو ساری خبریں جس سے پاکستان کا میڈیا سارا
00:31:27ڈومینٹ ہوا ہے یہ وہاں پر بھی جاتی ہیں
00:31:31تو اس کی اس لیے میں کہہ رہا ہوں
00:31:34کہ اگر آپ واقعی میں ملک کو آگے لے جانا چاہتے ہیں
00:31:37تو آپ کو اس خلیج کو ختم کرنا ہوگا
00:31:41اور سب کی بہتری ہے اس کے لیے
00:31:43آپ نے جو بات کی کہ دوسری سائٹ کو کیوں ضرورت ہے
00:31:46کہ وہ بھی مذاکرات کریں یا حالات کو بہتر کریں
00:31:48there is another way of seeing this
00:31:50آپ نے خود بات کی کہ after this conflict with India
00:31:53ہماری جو position ہے globally
00:31:54ہماری relevance جو ہے وہ مضبوط ہوئی وہ بڑھ گئی
00:31:57اسی طرح within Pakistan
00:31:59بہت ساری ایسی آئینی ترمیمیں کر کے
00:32:02اس نظام نے اپنے آپ کو بہت زیادہ consolidate کر لیا ہے
00:32:06they are very safe right now for let's say
00:32:09ابھی at the moment
00:32:11پھر کیا وجہ نظر آتی ہے
00:32:13کہ عمران خان سے مذاکرات کرنے پڑیں گے
00:32:15ان سے بات کرنے
00:32:16because you know here there is another way of seeing it
00:32:19کہ ان کی نظر میں عمران خان is part of the problem
00:32:22not part of the solution
00:32:23ملک تو ابھی بھی چل رہا ہے
00:32:24تو آگے اور چار پانچ سال بھی نکل سکتے ہیں
00:32:27thank you
00:32:27اچھا
00:32:28so مجھے بڑا انٹرسنگ لگتا ہے
00:32:30مجھے ہر انکر یہ سوال پوچھتا ہے
00:32:32اس کا مطلب
00:32:33ہر انکر مجھے یہ کہہ رہا ہے
00:32:35کہ ان کا
00:32:38کوئی ملک قوم میں انٹرسٹ ہے ہی نہیں
00:32:41ان کو صرف ذات کا انٹرسٹ ہے
00:32:43کیونکہ میری قدی مضبوط ہے
00:32:44تو اس لئے باڑ میں جائے
00:32:45مجھے کیا ضرورت ہے کچھ کرنے کی
00:32:47اگر آپ نے صرف اپنی قدی مضبوط کرنی ہے
00:32:50تو بہت اچھی بات ہے
00:32:50چھبیسی ترمیم بھی ہوگی
00:32:51ستائیسی ترمیم بھی ہوگی
00:32:52فارم فورٹی سیونٹے
00:32:54شہباز شریف وزیراعظم بھی بن گے
00:32:56بہتری نہ چلاتے رہے ہیں
00:32:57بہت اگر آپ کسی غلط فہمی میں ہیں
00:32:59کہ اس سے ملک آگے چل رہے ہیں
00:33:01آپ نے کہا ملک چل رہا ہے
00:33:02کیسے چل رہے ہیں ملک
00:33:02کیا اس کا میعار کیا ہے ملک چلنے کا
00:33:05ملک چلنے کا میعار یہ ہے
00:33:07کہ اگست دو ہزار اکیس میں جتنی سنتی پیداوار ہو رہی ہے
00:33:12وہ اگست دو ہزار اکیس سے کم ہے
00:33:14چار سال پہلے
00:33:15پچھلے تین سال کی معیشت کی بڑھنے کی رفتار
00:33:18جو ہے پاکستان کی تاریخ کے تین بدترین سال ہیں
00:33:23کیا اس کی ملک چلنے کی مثال یہ ہے
00:33:26کہ پاکستان کے اندر غربت کی سطح
00:33:28وہاں پہنچ گئی ہے
00:33:29جہاں تین دہائی سے نہیں تھی
00:33:31کیا مثال کیا ہے
00:33:32کیا پاکستان کی چلنے کی مثال یہ ہے
00:33:34کہ برامداد جو ہیں
00:33:36وہ چار سال پہلے جتنی ہو رہی تھی
00:33:37اس سے بھی کم ہے آج
00:33:39سو کونسا وہ میعار ہے
00:33:41سو چل نہیں رہا ملک
00:33:43ملک جو ہے وہ سروائیو کر رہا ہے
00:33:45ایک بہت بڑی اوپرچیو
00:33:47پھر میں کہوں گا
00:33:47کہ جس طریقے سے انڈیا کے ساتھ
00:33:50کانفریکٹ اور اس کے بعد فیصلے کیے گئے
00:33:52جو انٹرنیشنل سٹیج کے اوپر
00:33:53ہم نے انگیجمنٹس کی ہیں
00:33:55ایک بہت بڑی اوپرچیوٹی
00:33:57اس سے ہمیں کریئٹ ہوئی دی
00:33:58اس اوپرچیوٹی سے
00:34:01اگر آپ فائدہ اٹھانا چاہتے ہیں
00:34:02ایف ڈی آئی میں بول گیا تھا
00:34:04ایف ڈی آئی جو ہے
00:34:05بیس سال پہلے جتنی ایف ڈی آئی تھی
00:34:06اس سے آدھی سے بھی کام ہے
00:34:08صرف کام نہیں ہے جہاں بیس سال پہلے تھی
00:34:09اس سے آدھی سے بھی کام ہے
00:34:11سو ملک نہیں چل رہا ہے
00:34:12ملک جو ہے وہ سروائف کر رہا ہے صرف
00:34:14اور آپ نے پچیس کروڑ کو
00:34:16جس کے اندر سے دو تہائی جو ہے
00:34:18وہ نوجوان ہیں
00:34:20ان نوجوانوں کو آپ نے صرف یہ نہیں کہنا
00:34:22کہ بھائی اسی پرانی تنخواہ کے اوپر گزارا کرو
00:34:25شکر کرو زندہ تو ہو نا
00:34:28اگر آپ کا یہ میں آ رہا ہے
00:34:29تو ٹھیک ہے پاکستان سے
00:34:30آج میں نے ٹویٹ کیا ہے
00:34:32چار ہزار ڈاکٹر
00:34:34گیارہ ہزار انجینئر
00:34:35ہزاروں آئی ٹی کے ایکسپرٹس
00:34:38اکاؤنٹنس
00:34:38فینینس پروفیشنل جو ہیں
00:34:39پچھلے دو سال کے اندر ملک چھوڑ کے چلے گئے ہیں
00:34:41یہ ملک چلنے کی نشانی ہوتی ہے
00:34:43ملک تو چلنے کا وہ وقت ہوگا
00:34:45جس وقت چار ہزار پاکستانی بارز
00:34:47واپس ہارے ہوں گے
00:34:48پاکستان میں پروفیشنلز کام کرنے کے لیے
00:34:50سو ہم جو ملک کے پوٹینشل لگتا ہے
00:34:54یہ اگر کانفرکٹ ختم ہو
00:34:56اور تمام پاکستان کی
00:35:00ریاستی حکومتی ادارے
00:35:02جس کے اندر میرے خیال میں
00:35:04سب سے اہم ادارہ
00:35:06چاہے اس کا اس وقت کی حقیقت سے
00:35:08یا زیادہ تر جو پاکستان میں
00:35:09بد گزراہ سے کوئی تعلق نہ ہو
00:35:11لیکن کسی بھی پاکستان آئینی جمہوری نظام کے اندر
00:35:14پارلیمان سب سے اہم ادارہ ہوتا ہے
00:35:15وہ سیاسی پارٹیوں سے بھی زیادہ اہم ہے
00:35:17وہ کسی فوج سے بھی زیادہ اہم ہے
00:35:19وہ کسی عدلیہ سے بھی زیادہ اہم ہے
00:35:22لیکن تمام سیاسی ادارے
00:35:24عدلیہ ازاد ہو
00:35:25اپنے فیصلے کرنے کے اوپر
00:35:27انویسٹر کو کانفردنس ہو
00:35:28کہ میں جس عدالتی نظام کے اوپر بھروسہ کر رہا ہوں
00:35:31وہ ایک عزاد عدالتی نظام ہے
00:35:33وہ اپنے فیصلے کرنے کے لیے ازاد ہے
00:35:34ان کو یہ پتا ہو کہ میڈیا جو ہے
00:35:37اگر میرے ساتھ کوئی زیادتی ہوگی
00:35:40تو میڈیا اس کے اوپر کھل کے بات کر سکتا ہے
00:35:42وہ کہہ سکتا ہے کہ یہ زیادتی ہو رہی ہے
00:35:43کسی کے ساتھ
00:35:44بنیادی جو رول آف لاو کی ریکوائرمنٹس ہیں
00:35:46وہ پوری ہو
00:35:49یہ جب تمام چیزیں ہوں گی
00:35:51اس کا ذات سے کسی انسان سے تعلق نہیں ہے
00:35:53میں نے تو آپ کو
00:35:54میں نے آپ کو عمران خان کا تو نام ہی نہیں لیا تھا
00:35:57یہ تو آپ کا مسئلہ ہے نا
00:35:58کہ ساری قوم عمران خان کے ساتھ آپ نے کھڑی کر دی ہے
00:36:01عمران خان کی تو مقبولیت وہاں پہ پہ پہنچ گیا
00:36:03یہاں کبھی بھی نہیں تھی
00:36:06میں تو نہیں کہہ رہا کہ عمران خان سے دوستی کرنا بڑا ضروری ہے
00:36:08میں تو کہہ رہا پاکستان کے عوام سے کرنا دوستی ضروری ہے
00:36:11اور اس وقت اگر پاکستان کے عوام عمران خان کے ساتھ کھڑے میں ہیں
00:36:14تو آپ کو اس حقیقت کو ماننا پڑے گا
00:36:16چاہے آپ کو وہ پسند ہو یا نہ ہو پسند ہو
00:36:19اسی طریقے سے آپ کے خیال میں میرے طریقے ان صاحب کے دوست کیا سمجھتے ہیں
00:36:22یا مجھے کیا بولتے ہیں
00:36:23جس وقت وہ یہ سنتے ہیں کہ میں بولتا ہوں
00:36:25کہ نہیں بالکل فوج کے ساتھ لڑائی نہیں کرنی چاہیے
00:36:27اور ہمیں ایک راستہ نکالنا چاہیے
00:36:29جس میں ہم
00:36:30نہ صرف فوج کے ساتھ بلکہ دوسری سیاسی
00:36:32پارٹیوں کے ساتھ بھی
00:36:34ایک منمم ایجنڈا ہو
00:36:37ایک نیا مساکہ جمہوریت ہو
00:36:39جس کی بنیاد کے اوپر ہم یہ جمہوریت چلا سکے ہیں
00:36:41آپ کے خیال میں وہ مجھے پسند آتی
00:36:43مجھے وہ طریقے گالیاں پڑتی ہیں
00:36:44لیکن اس کا مطلب یہ نہیں ہے
00:36:46مجھے ایک دم سے اب زرداری صاحب اور شباز شریف
00:36:47اچھے لگنے شروع ہو گئے
00:36:48میں یہ کہہ رہا ہوں میرا ملک
00:36:51اس کے جو پچیس کروڑ عوام ہیں پہلے
00:36:53ہم کیا بات کر رہا تھا جب آپ لوگوں کے گھر میں جاگے
00:36:55ووٹ مانگتے ہیں نا
00:36:56اگر آپ نے خلوص نیت سے مانگے میں
00:36:58تو آپ کو فکر ہوتی ہے کہ ان کی زندگی میں کیا ہو رہا ہے
00:37:00آپ کی ترجیح ان کی زندگی کی بہتری ہوتی ہے
00:37:03کوئی میکرو اکنومک انڈیکیٹر
00:37:05یا آئی ایم ایف کا مائدہ
00:37:06یا انٹرنیشنل خبر نہیں ہوتی
00:37:08سو اس عوام کے لیے
00:37:10اس کی بہتری کے لیے
00:37:12اگر وہ لوگ جو مجھے نہیں پسند ہیں
00:37:15مجھے ان کے ساتھ
00:37:17آئین اور قانون کی بندش میں رہتے ہوئے
00:37:21میں یہ نہیں کہتا
00:37:22میں اگر پولیٹیشنز کی بات کروں
00:37:24بالکل بھی آپ کو کوئی نیا مساکہ جمہوریت کے اندر
00:37:27یہ نہیں کہنا چاہیے کہ تمہاری چوری بھی ماں
00:37:28میری چوری بھی ماں
00:37:29بالکل نہیں کہنا چاہیے
00:37:30آپ کو یہ کہنا چاہیے آئیں مل کر ایک انصاف کا نظام بنائیں
00:37:34جس میں جو بھی جوری کرے نا وہ بچ نہ سکے
00:37:37لیکن آپ کا یہ کہنا کہ میں اس کو بھی جیل میں ڈالوں گا
00:37:39اس میں بھی جیل آپ کا یہ کام نہیں ہے
00:37:40یہ سیاست کا دان کا کام نہیں ہے
00:37:42اور یہ انصاف نہیں ہے
00:37:43اگر وزیراعظم فیصلہ کر سکے
00:37:44کہ کس نے جیل میں ڈالنا ہے
00:37:46ٹھیک ہے نا
00:37:47سو خدا کا واسطہ ہے
00:37:48آپ پس کی لڑائیاں
00:37:50آپ مجموعی جو بینیفٹ ہے
00:37:55جو اجتماعی بھلائی ہے
00:37:57اس کو مقدم رکھیں بجائے کے انفرادی چیزوں کے
00:38:01ٹھیک ہے آپ کا پوائنٹ آف یو تو یہ ہی ہے
00:38:04کہ عوام جو ہے جن سے ووٹ لیے ان کا درد ہے
00:38:07آپ کو آئی کن سی دائٹ
00:38:08ان کے لیے جو ہے وہ کام کرنا چاہیے
00:38:10بٹ
00:38:10you don't want to be part of this process
00:38:13آپ کے دوستوں نے آپ کو اپروچ کیا
00:38:14نیشنل ڈالوگ کمیٹی کے لیے
00:38:15دیکھیں اس کی جو انگریڈنٹس ہونی چاہیے
00:38:17یہ تین فیصلہ ساز ہیں
00:38:20اس کے اندر دھائی ہے
00:38:24ایک طرف تحریک انصاف ہے
00:38:26جس کے لیڈر عمران خان ہے
00:38:28اور ہتمی کلبی میں نے یہ کہا تھا
00:38:31کہ وہ لوگ کہتے ہیں
00:38:33جی وہ طاقت کے بہت سارے مراکز ہیں
00:38:35تحریک انصاف میں کوئی
00:38:36ایک طاقت کا مرکز ہے
00:38:38اسی طریقے سے
00:38:40چیف چیف ہوتا ہے
00:38:41دوسرا جو بڑے فریق
00:38:43وہ فوجی اسٹیبلشمنٹ ہے
00:38:44چیف کا ورد is فائنل ان دار
00:38:46اور جو ڈھائی جو آدھیں ہیں
00:38:49وہ آدھیں بچا رہی ہیں
00:38:50جو معصوم اس وقت
00:38:51فارم 47 والے جو بیٹھے میں
00:38:52یہ لوگ ہیں
00:38:55تو ہم اس وقت
00:38:56نہ تحریک انصاف کی نمائندگی کرتے ہیں
00:38:59نہ ہم
00:39:00فوج کی نمائندگی کرتے ہیں
00:39:02نہ ہم مسلم لیگ نون
00:39:04یا پیپلز پارٹی کی نمائندگی کرتے ہیں
00:39:06تو میری نہیں سمجھ میں آتا
00:39:07کہ میں خواہش کے اظہار کے علاوہ
00:39:10اور کیا کر سکتا ہوں
00:39:11یا تو کوئی ہمیں
00:39:12یہ تینوں کہیں
00:39:13کہ اچھا
00:39:14ہم اس نتیجے پہ پہنچے ہیں
00:39:16کہ کوئی نہ کوئی راستہ نکالنا چاہیے
00:39:19ہماری براہ راست
00:39:21آپس میں ایک دوسرے کے ساتھ
00:39:23تلخیاں اتنی زیادہ بڑھ گئی ہیں
00:39:24کہ ہم بیٹھ کے
00:39:26فوری طور پر
00:39:27یہ کام نہیں کر سکتے
00:39:29تو ایسا کریں
00:39:30کہ ہم جمع کرتے ہیں
00:39:31لوگ ملک کے
00:39:33اس میں جج ہو سکتے ہیں
00:39:35اس میں دانشور ہو سکتے ہیں
00:39:38اس کے اندر صحافی ہو سکتے ہیں
00:39:39اس کے اندر کوئی سیاستدان ہو سکتے ہیں
00:39:41جو ان کے ناں ہو
00:39:42کہ ان کا ایک گروپ ہو
00:39:44اور ان کو یہ ذمہ داری دی جائے
00:39:46کہ اچھا چلے جی
00:39:47آپ تینوں سے بات کریں
00:39:48اور آپ دیکھیں
00:39:49کہ اس کے اندر کیا حل نکل سکتا ہے
00:39:51اور وہ بھی پھر بھی
00:39:53میں کہوں گا
00:39:53کہ پہلے تو اپنی تینوں
00:39:54جو اپنی ریڈ لائن
00:39:55ڈیفائن کریں
00:39:56اگر
00:39:58تحریکہ انصاف کی ریڈ لائن یہ ہے
00:40:00کہ
00:40:02آصف زداری اور
00:40:03نواز شریف اور
00:40:04شباز شریف کو
00:40:05فوری طور پر جیل لال دینا چاہیے
00:40:06تو ظاہرے آگے
00:40:07مذاکرات نہیں بڑھیں گے
00:40:08اسی طریقے سے
00:40:09اگر دوسری طرف سے
00:40:10خواہش یہ ہے
00:40:11کہ امران خان جو ہیں
00:40:12وہ جیل میں ہی بیٹھے رہے ہیں
00:40:13تو کوئی مذاکرات آگے نہیں بڑھیں گے
00:40:15نا
00:40:15سو اسی طریقے سے
00:40:16فوج کی کیا ریڈ لائن ہے
00:40:18کیا آئین اور قانون کے دائرے کے اندر رہتے ہوئے
00:40:21فوج کی کیا ریڈ لائن ہے
00:40:22وہ بتائی جائیں
00:40:23ٹھیک
00:40:24پھر
00:40:24اس قسم کے
00:40:25کوئی مانی خیز
00:40:27عمل کا حصہ
00:40:28کیا میں بننے کو تیار ہوں
00:40:29میں بالکل بننے کو تیار ہوں
00:40:29تو یہ مانی خیز نہیں ہے
00:40:31حالانکہ
00:40:32حالانکہ
00:40:32مجھ سے
00:40:33بہت بہتر لوگ موجود ہیں
00:40:35لیکن آپ پوچھتے ہیں
00:40:36کہ آپ یہ کرنے کو تیار ہوں گے
00:40:37جی میں بھی کرنے کو تیار ہوں گا
00:40:38ان کا میں نے بتا دیا
00:40:39فرق کیا ہے
00:40:40اس وقت
00:40:41مجھے تو کم سے کم
00:40:42ان کے پاس منڈیٹ نہیں ہے
00:40:43کسی سائٹ سے بھی نہیں ہے
00:40:44مجھے انہوں نے یہ بتایا
00:40:45انہوں نے مجھے بتایا
00:40:47میں اپنی طرف سے نہیں کہہ رہا
00:40:48کہ تینوں سائٹ سے
00:40:49کسی بھی سائٹ سے
00:40:50بیسیکلی جو ہے
00:40:51لیکن وہ کوشش
00:40:51لیکن میں ان کی تنقید نہیں کر رہا
00:40:53میرے خیال میں نہیں
00:40:54اس طریقے سے کامیابی ہو سکتی
00:40:56ان کے خیال میں ہو سکتی ہے
00:40:58وہ کوشش کرنے تو ان کو
00:41:00اگر کیا ہوگا
00:41:01زیادہ زیادہ یہ ہوگا
00:41:01کہ کامیابی نہیں ملے گی
00:41:03بھائی نہ ہونا
00:41:03وہ کوئی پیسے مانگ رہے ہیں آپ سے
00:41:14جہلم مالا جو ہے نا
00:41:15وہ بڑا تنگ
00:41:17تنگ کرتا ہے
00:41:17سنی سنائی خوابر ہے
00:41:18سنی سنائی
00:41:20یہ تو نہیں لگتا آپ کو
00:41:21کہ اخلاقی طور پر
00:41:22you think کہ اب
00:41:23اس وقت جو ہے
00:41:24ایک نیا الگ سے
00:41:26گروپ بنا کے
00:41:26مزید ڈیوائیڈ جو ہے
00:41:28وہ create کر دیا جائے گا
00:41:29اس لیے
00:41:29I don't want to be a part of it
00:41:30نہیں
00:41:31دیکھیں میں لوگوں کی نیتوں
00:41:32میں شک نہیں کرتا
00:41:33مجھے جو انہوں نے
00:41:34جو کہا ہے
00:41:35اس کا اسے کو
00:41:36اور یہ میں
00:41:37جو کہ رہا ہے
00:41:37انہوں نے جو مجھ سے
00:41:38کہا ہے وہ
00:41:39صرف
00:41:39میڈیا کے سامنے نہیں
00:41:41انہوں نے بند کمرے میں
00:41:41بھی جو سے بات کی
00:41:42انہوں نے وہی
00:41:43مجھ سے بات کی
00:41:44بند کمرے کے اندر
00:41:45جو وہ ٹی وی پر کہتے ہیں
00:41:46اور وہ مجھے
00:41:48کہہ رہے تھے
00:41:48کہ دعوی دے رہے تھے
00:41:50کہ آپ بھی
00:41:50اس کے اندر شامل ہوں
00:41:52تو جو
00:41:53وہ کرنا چاہتے ہیں
00:41:54تو اس کے اندر
00:41:55مجھے نہیں
00:41:55اور اگر وہ
00:41:56کرنا بھی چاہیں
00:41:57عمران اسماعیل
00:41:57and Mahmoud Mahalui and Fawad Chaudhary
00:41:59will divide by the way.
00:42:01Every one is afraid and afraid.
00:42:06If Shah Mahmoud Kureyşi
00:42:08doesn't have two votes
00:42:08so you can talk about
00:42:10Mahmoud Mahalui and Fawad Chaudhary.
00:42:11So at some point in time
00:42:12maybe Asad Umar
00:42:13will join them?
00:42:15No, I've told you.
00:42:17Their goals, their self,
00:42:19it feels like it's personal
00:42:20that why are they doing this?
00:42:22I've told you that
00:42:25that in my opinion
00:42:27how do they do this?
00:42:28And there's no need to do this.
00:42:31I don't want to do this.
00:42:34You need to do this work.
00:42:36You need to do this.
00:42:36If someone has an opinion on it,
00:42:39if someone has an effort,
00:42:40it's a good thing.
00:42:43One other thing,
00:42:45Fawad Chaudhary says
00:42:47that he's trying to do this
00:42:48because this is the current
00:42:49habit of PTI.
00:42:51It's completely wrong.
00:42:52There's no potential.
00:42:54I don't know.
00:43:10And how do you see the platform of
00:43:12تحریک تحفظائی نے پاکستان اور اچھکزئی صاحب کو یہ
00:43:14ذمہ داری دینا بہت دیکھیں یہ تو پاکستان کی تحریک
00:43:17ہمیشہ سے حصہ رہا ہے اور یہ ہمیں ایکچولی پہلے کر
00:43:21دینا چاہیے تھا اور یہ بالکل ٹھیک ہے کہ ایک
00:43:24پلاتفارم ہو جس پہ دوسری سیاسی پارٹیاں بھی آئیں جن
00:43:27کا آپ سے اور باتوں پہ ہو سکتا ہے کہ اتفاق کے
00:43:31رائے نہ ہو اختلاف رکھتے ہوں لیکن ایک نکتے کے
00:43:35اوپر کہ بھائی ہم نے ایک صاف شفاف الیکشن کی طرف ایک
00:43:39جمہوری عمل کی طرف واپس جانا ہے ساتھ مل کے کام
00:43:42کرنا بہت اچھی بات ہے آپ نے کہا کہ ان کو میرے تو
00:43:45خیال میں ایک تیسرا پلاتفارم بھی بننا چاہیے اور تیسرا
00:43:48پلاتفارم دیکھیں کیونکہ ابھی بھی ٹی ٹی اے پی تو
00:43:51اپوزیشن ہے نا حکومت سے ہاں سو میرے خیال میں ایک وہ
00:43:55جو میں کہہ رہا ہوں کہ کوئی گروپ ایسا ہو جو تو وہ جس طرح
00:43:59کہ میں بات کر رہا تھا کہ اس میں دانشور ہوں ایسا کوئی
00:44:02گروپ بنے کلک سے جو دونوں سائٹ سے جا کے بات کرے بلکہ
00:44:05تینوں سائٹ سے جا کے بات کرے تو اچھے اچھے جو سینئر
00:44:09لیڈرز ہیں جو اس وقت سیاست کے اندر ایکٹیو ہیں ان میں سے
00:44:13اگر کوئی لیڈ لے تو میرے خیال میں بڑا اچھی چیز ہوگی
00:44:15پی ٹی اے نے بڑا ٹف ٹائم دیکھا بلکل جماعت کا جو ہے وہ
00:44:19برا حال ہی جو ہے وہ کر دیا گیا آپ جیسے فیسز جو تھے وہ
00:44:22چلے گئے بڑا مشکل وقت جو ہے وہ دیکھا اگر میں آپ سے
00:44:25پوچھوں کہ کیا تھا وہ ایک ٹرننگ پوائنٹ where you lost
00:44:31the plot تو آپ کی نظر میں وہ کیا ہوگا یہ تو خیر بہت
00:44:34ہی آرگیبل چیز ہے کہ پی ٹی اے لاؤس پلٹ اور نوٹ چلے
00:44:38عمران خان اس وقت جیل میں ہے پی ٹی اے تیتر بیتر ہے
00:44:45طریق انصاف کی مشکلات ایک چیز ہے طریق انصاف
00:44:48losing the plot ایک اور چیز ہے کیونکہ وہ سیاسی پارٹی
00:44:50اگر مڑ کے یہ آپ سے پوچھے کہ بھائی سیاسی پارٹی کا
00:44:52تو میار کامیابی فیلئر کا یہ ہوتا ہے کہ عوام کتنی اس
00:44:57کے ساتھ ہے تو اتنی تو تاریخ میں کبھی نیون کے ساتھ عوام
00:45:00تھے تو وہ تو کہیں گے بڑے کامیاب ہیں مشکلات کا میرے
00:45:03خیال میں decision making اور یہ میں کوئی نئی بات نہیں
00:45:07کر رہا یہ میں پہلے بھی بول چکا ہوں اور کئی دفعہ میں نے
00:45:11اس کی بات کی ہے میری خیال میں جو حکمت عملی ہم نے
00:45:15اپنائی اس میں کچھ فیصلے ایسے کیے جس کی وجہ سے مشکلات
00:45:19کے اندر اضافہ ہوا جو عمران خان نے public mobilization
00:45:23campaign شروع کی تھی vote of no confidence کے بعد
00:45:27unprecedented تھی جس طریقے سے خان نے عوام کو mobilize
00:45:32کیا اس طاقت کو سامنے رکھتے ہوئے اگر ہم کچھ چلے میں آپ
00:45:37کو بتاتا ہوں کہ ایک مجھے اور شام حمد قریشی کو بلایا
00:45:43عمران خان نے زمان پاک اب یہ بات ہوگی میں بھی نو
00:45:49مئیس سے کوئی مہینہ پہلے کے بعد ہو اور انہوں نے ایک
00:45:52چیز کے اوپر مشورہ کیا ہم دونوں سے اور مشورہ کا ہم
00:45:58دونوں کی ایک ہی رائے تھی ہم نے ان کو اپنا opinion دے دیا
00:46:01کہ وہ کچھ پوچھ رہے تھے کہ یہ کرنا چاہیے کہ نہیں کرنا
00:46:04چاہیے ہم دونوں نے کہا بالکل ٹھیک ہے کرنا چاہیے تو
00:46:07خود ہی پھر خان نے تھوڑا آرگیو کرنا شروع کر دیا
00:46:09اس فیصلے کے خلاف جو انہوں نے پوچھا تھا کرنا چاہیے
00:46:12تھے کہ نہیں کوئی اپنا ذہن clarify کرنے کی خوش کر
00:46:14تو تھوڑی در بعد انہوں نے کہا چھے آر ایسا کرو
00:46:16تم لوگ بھی اور سوچوں میں بھی اور سوچتا ہوں
00:46:18تو میں گھر گیا رات کو میں نے جا کے
00:46:21میسج کیا خان کو میں نے کہا ہے دیکھیں آپ نے پاکستان کی
00:46:26تاریخ کی سب سے بڑی public mobilization کی ہے یہ وقت ہے
00:46:30عوامی mobilization آپ نے جو کوئی پاکستان کی تاریخ میں
00:46:35سوچ نہیں سکتا تھا وہ کر دیا اب ہے time hard power
00:46:39politics کا اور اگر وہ نہیں کیا تو مجھے ڈر یہ ہے کہ یہ
00:46:46جو اتنی بڑی عوامی mobilization کی ہے آپ نے وہ
00:46:50اپنے حدف حاصل کرنے میں ہمیں کامیابی نہیں ہوگی حدف
00:46:55کیا تھا اس وقت حدف یہ تھا کہ ایک نئے election کی طرف
00:46:57جائے اور ایک شاف شفاف free independent election ہو یہی حدف
00:47:02تھا ہمارا so میرے خیال میں دو تین مواقع ایسے آئے کہ
00:47:09اگر ہم مختلف فیصلے کر لیتے تو شاید ہمیں وہ حدف
00:47:12حاصل ہو جاتا جس میں سارے فیرست شاید وہی موقع ہوگا جب آپ کی
00:47:16حکومت جا چکی تھی assemblyan dissolve ہو چکی تھی مشکل وقت تھا لیکن
00:47:19آپ کو ایک ray of hope نظر آیا تھا جب election کے بارے میں جو
00:47:24ہے وہ مذاکرات ہوئے تھے دو تین stages آئے تھے بہت ہاں وہ
00:47:28آخری آخری stage وہ تھا نومائی سے چند دن پہلے کی بات
00:47:31وہ میں تھوڑا سا آپ سے جو ہے سننا چاہوں گی کہ کیا کیا
00:47:33ہوا تھا اس وقت دیکھیں ایک تو بنی ہوئی تھی اتنی زیادہ تفصیل
00:47:42میں نہیں جاتے اور bottom line یہ ہے کہ yes ایسی صورتحال
00:47:46پیدا ہو گئی تھی اور وہ کیوں پیدا ہوئی تھی بہت سارے لوگ
00:47:50ان کو اگر election کرانے تھی تو وہ ایسی کرا دیتے تو آپ کے
00:47:53ساتھ ان کو پی ٹی آئی کے ساتھ ان کو بات کرنے کی ضرورت کیا
00:47:55تھے مسلم league نون اپنی مرضی سے نہیں طریقہ انصاف کے ساتھ
00:47:58بیٹھی تھی supreme court کے chief justice نے order کیا تھا بلکل
00:48:02عمرت ہماری میرا case میرا میں petitioner تھا اس case کے اندر پہلے میں
00:48:06high court میں لے کے گیا جو پنجاب کے election جو ہیں وہ delay
00:48:10کیے گئے تھے اس کے اوپر وہاں سے وہ supreme court کے اندر
00:48:13چلا گیا so انہوں نے order کیا کہ میں پتہ نہیں کتنے دن
00:48:20دیتا ہوں آپ دونوں party ساتھ بیٹھے ساتھ بیٹھ کے آپ تاریخ کے
00:48:25اوپر متفقہ مجھے ایک رائے دیں اور وہ میں order کر دوں گا
00:48:31so وہ agreement ہو گیا تاریخ کے اوپر اور وہ تاریخ تھی
00:48:36سپٹیمبر کا second half بنتا تھا کیونکہ جب ہم اس کے ساتھ
00:48:40argue کر رہے تھے کہ یہ تو مطلب جو آپ نے فیصلہ کری لیا ہے
00:48:44کہ جلدی election کرانا ہے تو پھر دیر کی کیا ضرورت ہے یہ
00:48:48مئی کا پہلا ہفتہ ہے جس وقت ہم یہ بات کر رہے ہیں
00:48:50مئی کی چار پانچ تاریخ ہوگی جس وقت یہ بات ہو رہی ہے
00:48:54تو انہوں نے کہا کہ یہ بات ہو سکتا ہے منطقی ناؤ لیکن
00:49:11ہماری سائیڈ نے کہ دماغ میں بیٹھ گیا ہے کہ عمر اطاب اندیال
00:49:15کے ہوتے ہوئے election نہیں کروانے تو ایسی کوئی بارہ تیرہ
00:49:20چودہ سبتمبر بنتی تھی بندیال صاحب کے ریٹائر ہونے کی ہم نے
00:49:25کہا اس کے دس دن کے بعد election ریٹ رکھ لیں اس پہ agreement ہو
00:49:27گیا صحیح اب ہمارے ذہن کے اندر یہ تھا اور یہ والی جس میں
00:49:32میٹنگ کی بات کروں اس میں میں اور فواد چودری تھے ہم نے کہا
00:49:35ہم جاتے ہیں ہم نے کہا جی بڑی اچھی بات ہے ہماری بات ہو گئی ہے
00:49:39لیکن ہمارے پاس فیصلے کا اختیار نہیں ہم جاتے ہیں خان صاحب
00:49:43کے ساتھ بات کرتے ہیں ہم بتا دیں گے ان کا کیا فیصلہ ہے
00:49:46تو مجھے ابھی تک یاد ہے آزم نظیر طارد صاحب نے جواب یہ
00:49:50دیا کہ بالکل مناسب ہے آپ ضرور جا کے خان صاحب سے بات کریں
00:49:53لیکن میں یہاں پہ نواز شریف کا منڈٹ لے کر بیٹھا ہوں
00:49:57اچھا تو اگر آپ ہاں کر دیں گے تو اس پہ ہو جائے گا
00:50:03خیر وہ فیصلہ پھر ہوا کہ ہم نے وہ ڈیٹ نہیں
00:50:05accept کرنی ہم کیوں کہہ رہے تھے ہمارے خیال میں وہ accept
00:50:07کر لینی چاہیے تھی وہ اس لیے کہ even though election
00:50:11اچھا اس کا مطلب یہ بنتا تھا کہ مائی کی ہم چار یا پانچ
00:50:17کو کر بیٹھے میں تو dissolution assembly کی ہونی تھی کوئی بیس
00:50:20جون کے قریب سو آپ کو پانچ چی ہفتے آگے کی بات تھی
00:50:24ہمارا خیال یہ تھا کہ ایک تو پہلی بات تو سبریم کورٹ کا
00:50:28چیز جسز election نہیں کرا تھا بڑ چلے اگر اس بات کا ان
00:50:31کو پریشانی بھی ہے پتنی یا ہماری سائٹ کو کوئی پریشانی ہو
00:50:34حالانکہ کہا کسی نہیں نہیں تھا کہ قاضی فاجی صاحب کو
00:50:36election میں کچھ کر لیں گے لیکن اگر آپ اس لینڈ سے بھی
00:50:38دیکھیں تو election سے دس دن پہلے کا مطلب یہ ہوا
00:50:43کہ اس سے کوئی پچاس دن پہلے چھپن دن منموم شیڈیول ہے
00:50:47election کا تو اس کا مطلب کم سے کم اس سے چھالیس دن پہلے
00:50:50شیڈیول اناؤنس ہو چکا ہے سیمبل الارٹ ہو چکے ہیں
00:50:54سکروٹنی candidates کی ہو چکی ہے candidate withdrawals کی
00:51:01جنہوں نے election لڑے ہیں ان کو پتا ہے کہ election سے دس دن
00:51:03پہلے محول کیا ہوتا ہے تو وہ آپ کو ایک جگہ پہ تو
00:51:07شاید نہ نظر آ رہے ہیں اور ایک جگہ پہ بھی دس دن پہلے
00:51:09election جیسے میجین امران خان کے دو دو تین تین چار چار
00:51:12لاکھ کے جلسے ہو رہے ہوتے اور باقی جو دوسرے election
00:51:16ہیں وہ تو ہر یونین کانسل کے انترے آپ جا کے کر رہے ہیں
00:51:19تو اس کا مطلب مجموعی طور پہ کرونوں عوام پاکستان کی
00:51:22سلکوں پہ ہوتی ہے سلکت وہ آخری دیس دن میں کیا
00:51:25کازی فائزی سے نہیں کر دینا تھا anyway جو بھی اس کے بعد
00:51:27وجہ بنی وہ نہیں accept کیا گیا اور اس کے چار پانچ
00:51:32دن کے بعد نو مئی ہو گیا and you think that was that was one of the
00:51:35biggest opportunities in hindsight جو ہم بات کرتے ہیں
00:51:40دوسری میں آپ کو دوسری چیٹی بتا دوں دوسری سیٹ کا خیال
00:51:43یہ انہوں نے کرنا ہی یہ تھا جو مرضی کر دیتے انہوں نے یہ
00:51:46کرنا تھا کہ election election پارٹی کو تباہ کرنا تھا
00:51:50عمران خان کو جیل میں ڈالنا تھا لیکن 9th میں نہیں ہوتا
00:51:53تو یہ کیسے ہوتا سب خیر ہو یہ تو 9th میں ہی نہیں ہوتا تو
00:51:58عمران خان کو 9th میں کسی case کی سزا نہیں ہوئی
00:52:00اس کے بعد جو پارٹی کے ساتھ ہوا دو سال چار مہینے سے 9th میں
00:52:06کے لیکن جو پارٹی کے ساتھ ہوا سیمبل لینا یا جو بھی وہ بات
00:52:10کی چیزیں تھیں election اس وقت ہو جاتے تو معاملات یہاں
00:52:13تک کنچتے ہیں میں نے آپ کو بتا دیا کہ ہمارے نظر میں کیوں
00:52:16accept
00:52:16it was a right decision
00:52:18but I tell you
00:52:20the other side
00:52:20the other side
00:52:22you are saying
00:52:23the other side
00:52:24Imaran Khan
00:52:24thought that
00:52:25and many people
00:52:27but you were so close
00:52:30and you were very close
00:52:32but you and Fawad Chaudhary
00:52:34were in this meeting
00:52:35and you have
00:52:36some mandate
00:52:37which you are talking about
00:52:38actually
00:52:39the thing
00:52:40which the team
00:52:42announced
00:52:42for negotiation
00:52:43which was announced
00:52:44in that
00:52:46Shah Mahmood Qureshi
00:52:48Fawad Chaudhary
00:52:49and Ali Zafar
00:52:50there was an agreement
00:52:51I told you
00:52:52that there was an agreement
00:52:53and Shah Sabahra
00:52:54also had an agreement
00:52:55but for some reason
00:52:57Fawad Chaudhary
00:52:58wanted me involved
00:52:58also
00:53:00I'm curious to know
00:53:02what was your
00:53:03why was he not
00:53:05coming on board
00:53:06you have convinced
00:53:07that you have
00:53:08so much
00:53:08you have a
00:53:09parliamentary party
00:53:10you are listening
00:53:10and talking
00:53:11no
00:53:12parliamentary party
00:53:13that you have
00:53:14to accept
00:53:14you don't accept
00:53:16but you can ask
00:53:17why you don't accept
00:53:18you
00:53:18what reason
00:53:19what reason
00:53:19you were saying
00:53:21you are not saying
00:53:21you are not saying
00:53:22you are saying
00:53:23why do you tell me
00:53:24I don't want to tell you
00:53:25I was going to tell you
00:53:28why would you tell him that he was thinking about the next thing?
00:53:32why don't we tell him?
00:53:33I have to tell you about it.
00:53:35I don't know about it.
00:53:36The other side of the opinion is that today is the opinion.
00:53:38At the moment, today is the other side of the meaning that the party
00:53:42people keep these rules.
00:53:44No, this was a good decision.
00:53:46We didn't believe it in the history.
00:53:47They are the rules.
00:53:48What you have to do is you have to do it.
00:53:51Is it that Imran Khan is not wanting to come into a normal process?
00:53:54We didn't want to come into an agreement.
00:53:58They wanted to come into an agreement.
00:53:59I asked him.
00:54:02If Imran Khan, Imran Khan,
00:54:04Imran Khan didn't have to postpone the election.
00:54:06Imran Khan didn't have to break the date.
00:54:08For the date of 14 May,
00:54:10the last date of 14 May.
00:54:12I was a petitioner in this case.
00:54:15I went.
00:54:15The High Court gave us a judgment.
00:54:18That this is an inviolable date in 14 May.
00:54:21So if you give election,
00:54:25then which one of your inquilates was going to be?
00:54:27No.
00:54:28In September, we got to meet the election.
00:54:31I said, why did you get there?
00:54:33Why did the date go?
00:54:34Why did the date go there?
00:54:35Why did the date go there?
00:54:36Why did the date go there?
00:54:37Why did the date go there?
00:54:38Why did the date go there?
00:54:41Why did the date go there?
00:54:43Why did the date go there?
00:54:44Why did the date go there?
00:54:44Because your date and their date go there?
00:54:48No.
00:54:49No.
00:54:49Our date will be clear.
00:54:51We're talking about which date is the date.
00:54:52It is the date.
00:54:54We have to listen to this.
00:54:56Listen to this.
00:54:56My May 14 May is the election to get up.
00:55:00It was the time.
00:55:01It was the time.
00:55:02The law was the time.
00:55:05The government didn't call it.
00:55:07The government didn't call it.
00:55:07foreign
00:55:10gol bhi hem ghmaa saktay aap kehrane 14 mei ko ayn toot chuka tha pher bhi aap gaye
00:55:14baat karne gaye na election ke liye aek naik sikind aap ye bol rhi hai aap nahi aap
00:55:20ne sawal aise puchha ki aymran khan ke inqlaab ki khuaish ta is liye surahti hal hui
00:55:24mein toh puchhau ayn pehle toda kisne ayn toda kisne ayn toda kisne ayn toda kisne
00:55:28ayn toda kisne ayn toda na toh pher iske zimmedar wo hai aap ye keh saktay aymran
00:55:32khan ka radde amal us ayn toda na phe thik ta ya ghalat ta lekin bunyadhi zimmedarhi
00:55:37iamran khan ba dalda kod a kha khof kare aap khut karay ayn todna saza kya ayn todne ki
00:55:41pakistan me phansi ay ay ayin todne ki saza aachha phansi ke murtukit aap jun kar ke
00:55:47beithe waje te hai aelection aapne pospon ki aawa ta
00:55:49r haap ke rhi aymran khan ki waj jasa here but what i'm asking is that this was not the
00:55:54reason
00:55:54why iamran khan did not take that september date i'm asking are these are two separate
00:55:59your your tell me that if it is an election for 14 mei you call it iamran khan mei
00:56:02iam ti will be a election no i will be a election no i will be a election no i
00:56:05will be a election
00:56:05you don't want election to fight. Why do you fight?
00:56:08Your answer is...
00:56:09I don't say that you are saying.
00:56:13But I'm asking you to ask for a question.
00:56:15If this is okay, it's not a question.
00:56:19If you have election election to be 24, then you don't fight.
00:56:22That's not.
00:56:23When I got election, I got election.
00:56:27We fought for the election.
00:56:30We fought for Pajab in 2012.
00:56:33We've come to the streets.
00:56:36I'm going to fight for the court.
00:56:37We got an election.
00:56:38We fought for the court.
00:56:41We went to the Supreme Court.
00:56:42We fought for the election.
00:56:43We fought for the election.
00:56:46We made the government.
00:56:46We made the government.
00:56:48We broke the assembly.
00:56:51We did election call.
00:56:54We did election call.
00:56:56The second time.
00:56:58We did election.
00:56:59We broke the election.
00:57:06We broke the election.
00:57:09We broke the election.
00:57:10We broke the symbol.
00:57:11We broke the candidates.
00:57:14We didn't do anything.
00:57:15We didn't do anything.
00:57:17We didn't do anything.
00:57:17We didn't do anything.
00:57:20Which example is?
00:57:22Which means?
00:57:23We don't want to do election.
00:57:26You say that 9th May is going to happen.
00:57:28That's right.
00:57:29That's right.
00:57:29In the 9th May,
00:57:30now you have your teammates.
00:57:32Shah Mahmood Qurayshi and Fawad Chaudhary.
00:57:35But Rajas Chaudhary.
00:57:37Umar Chimah.
00:57:37Yasmin Rashid Sahib.
00:57:38They are not in your colleagues.
00:57:40Do you think the right thing is responsible for the 9th May?
00:57:43No.
00:57:44No.
00:57:45You know that there are two meetings.
00:57:47There are meetings that are called the part of the meeting.
00:57:50It's a part of the meeting.
00:57:51What do you have to say about the meeting?
00:57:53The meeting of the meeting.
00:57:55The meeting of the meeting.
00:57:56I think it is the meeting of the meeting.
00:57:59I think that the case is now been approved.
00:58:02How is it?
00:58:04In that case,
00:58:06the meeting of the meeting is also on Fawad Chaudhary.
00:58:09The meeting of the meeting is also on Shaw Mahmood Qurayshi.
00:58:12The meeting of the meeting is also on me.
00:58:14And the meeting of the meeting is also on Las��到馬.
00:58:15My friends, I are not going through this meeting.
00:58:18But that of course,
00:58:18that's the meeting is also on Fawad Chaudhary.
00:58:18But that Tuj сам Bahamud Qurayshi and Fawad Chaudhary both of the zeitgeist on which
00:58:22has decided and the final circumstances had been done for a significant event
00:58:26on the broadcast band.
00:58:32And before Mr. Ratshe Rain Kh Ojib рnas which made them
00:58:34he's made after the meeting会,
00:58:38table can see behind the table and behind the table can see behind the table, which
00:58:41has all the people who have seen. If you tell me that there was a
00:58:46UC union council member of the worker, his name was wrong. So this is the
00:58:50idea. It is the idea that he said that he said that I saw the vice chairman
00:58:54of the administration of Shah Mahmood Prashy, the governor of Kharjah
00:58:57to see and he actually was wrong. Is this possible? So that
00:59:03so the land is a lot of land.
00:59:07So,
00:59:09I was sitting in Karachi.
00:59:11I don't know who is the law of this.
00:59:12To prove that I was in Karachi,
00:59:15I was in the high court.
00:59:16I don't have any law of law.
00:59:19But the food is in the house.
00:59:22So, there are a lot of loopholes in the case.
00:59:25I know one more bone of contention
00:59:27that you were in the government was a buzdaar.
00:59:29You think buzdaar was a good choice?
00:59:31Bad choice.
00:59:32Bad choice.
00:59:33And you guys did try to convince Khan.
00:59:36I totally knew our thoughts.
00:59:40I totally knew.
00:59:41You don't have to say this in PTI.
00:59:44You were one of the closest
00:59:46who reached Bajwa, General Bajwa.
00:59:51I didn't say that.
00:59:52Discussed on buzdaar with General Bajwa.
00:59:55Yes, very often.
00:59:56Their favorite topic was with the Prime Minister.
00:59:58So, they talked about the Prime Minister.
01:00:04And, in my opinion, they talked about the Prime Minister.
01:00:07And, in addition to that,
01:00:08they talked about the other times.
01:00:09And, in addition to that,
01:00:10they talked about the other times.
01:00:11I'm sure they talked about it.
01:00:13The Prime Minister,
01:00:15and the Prime Minister.
01:00:15I don't know who we are talking about it.
01:00:16I don't know.
01:00:17But,
01:00:18when you also have to go with Khan's side,
01:00:21this is a huge bone of contention.
01:00:24What did he have to say?
01:00:25They said,
01:00:26what is the government's decision?
01:00:28The government's decision.
01:00:29The government has to do it.
01:00:30They have to do it.
01:00:31It's good or bad.
01:00:33The people are both good and bad.
01:00:35I'm not saying that it was good.
01:00:36But,
01:00:36it was a lawful decision.
01:00:39It was the government's decision.
01:00:40It was the problem.
01:00:41And,
01:00:41was there a moment when he said,
01:00:43I don't know who the commander is going to put it?
01:00:48I haven't said it.
01:00:49But,
01:00:49it's a bad thing.
01:00:51Okay,
01:00:51let me tell you,
01:00:52the government's decision is that,
01:00:53the government's decision is that,
01:00:54the government's decision is that,
01:00:57the government's decision.
01:00:58Do you agree?
01:00:59God knows.
01:01:00I see these stories.
01:01:01I've seen TV,
01:01:02I listen to my people.
01:01:04It's great.
01:01:06God,
01:01:06what do I tell you?
01:01:08How do they change?
01:01:11They leave them.
01:01:12No.
01:01:13I have seen such a thing.
01:01:15No.
01:01:17He was very close.
01:01:23He was very close.
01:01:24The President of the President of the President of the President of the President.
01:01:26He was very effectively
01:01:29who needed a basis.
01:01:32To understand the information to know
01:01:32so much.
01:01:33Okay.
01:01:34I'm not saying,
01:01:36this is even the BB.
01:01:37There was no help of that.
01:01:38There was nothing.
01:01:39What was it that I could tell you?
01:01:41I could tell you what I could tell you.
01:01:44So,
01:01:45me in front of me, or Amrani Khan did something, or Jernal Faiz did something, or I didn't see
01:01:51this. If Amrani Khan would think that he was very effective in the DGISI, I would
01:02:01never know. This is why he had so much bone of contention. Khan said that this time
01:02:09Afghanistan regime collapse
01:02:11Taliban came
01:02:12that famous Chayega Cup
01:02:15General Faiz
01:02:16which the doom
01:02:17all over the world
01:02:18and he said
01:02:19he knows all of them
01:02:20etc.
01:02:21It's a big critical stage
01:02:22so we don't change
01:02:23so obviously
01:02:24he thought very highly
01:02:25of General Faiz
01:02:27You have recently
01:02:28please correct me
01:02:29if I'm wrong
01:02:30you have said
01:02:30that after the vote of
01:02:32no confidence
01:02:32announced
01:02:3211 meetings
01:02:34were there
01:02:35in General Bajwa
01:02:35Vote of confidence?
01:02:38No
01:02:38that you were
01:02:39convinced
01:02:40that it would be
01:02:41really bad
01:02:42for the economy
01:02:42No, I mean
01:02:43no, I mean
01:02:43no, I don't have to say
01:02:44No, I don't have to say
01:02:46No, I don't have to say
01:02:4611, I don't have to say
01:02:48I don't have to say
01:02:49I don't have to say
01:02:49vote of no confidence
01:02:51passed on the
01:02:52two meetings
01:02:53and these meetings
01:02:55when were there?
01:02:56Imran Khan
01:02:57and General Bajwa
01:02:57two meetings
01:02:59were in President House
01:02:59in the second meeting
01:03:01after this decision
01:03:02that we had to discuss
01:03:04and we didn't go
01:03:05in detail
01:03:08so we had two meetings
01:03:10in the army house
01:03:12in which we had two meetings
01:03:13in which we had
01:03:13RFLV, Praveas Khattak
01:03:15and I
01:03:15were in the two meetings
01:03:17and there was a lot of meetings
01:03:19but there was a lot of meetings
01:03:20that I didn't have to say
01:03:21there were two meetings
01:03:22I didn't have to say
01:03:22I didn't have to say
01:03:36And our following will be our September, which will be our meeting.
01:03:40Asad-sahab, because we are soon, but you have come, so I will not ask you to ask you,
01:03:45that the government has been a lot for the economy and we will revive them.
01:03:51We have achieved a kind of stability, but we have already talked about growth,
01:03:56investments, FDI, or poverty, if you talk about jobs or unemployment,
01:04:02let's talk about government, it doesn't look better.
01:04:06But having said that, PIA's privatization has a confidence to the government.
01:04:11How do you see that?
01:04:12Okay, it was a difficult task.
01:04:14PIA's privatization was a difficult task.
01:04:17They built a very complicated transaction structure,
01:04:22and they have been working on privatization.
01:04:25It has a large economy on the larger economy,
01:04:27and the justice privatization has no impact.
01:04:30If PIA's post-privatization is a successful institution,
01:04:35then it will have a good positive impact.
01:04:38But if you ask me,
01:04:40is that economic direction is going to change from this time,
01:04:43then in my opinion, it will be an exaggeration.
01:04:45But you think this privatization was needed?
01:04:48It is a very debatable thing.
01:04:51But once we decided,
01:04:53and this decision was done before,
01:04:55There were many governments who tried to do it,
01:04:58and they also tried to do it in the last year.
01:04:59So the decision was done,
01:05:01and it was done in a little bit,
01:05:02and it was done in a little bit.
01:05:05And you guys opposed it in 2015,
01:05:09a full-fledged opposition,
01:05:12which you guys have done privatization.
01:05:13I don't know.
01:05:14I don't know.
01:05:15I don't know.
01:05:16I don't know the opposition.
01:05:17There was a committee that was made.
01:05:19The president of the government,
01:05:22and the government of the government,
01:05:24was also a right-hand man.
01:05:25They had a negotiation with them.
01:05:26We had an agreement with them.
01:05:28We had an agreement with them.
01:05:29What?
01:05:30They said,
01:05:30Is this a privatization of PIA?
01:05:32Will this be the privatization of PIA?
01:05:35Or who has said that?
01:05:37I didn't sit individually individually.
01:05:39The opposition,
01:05:40the opposition,
01:05:40made a special committee on PIA.
01:05:43And you didn't have an approval.
01:05:46You didn't have a privatization.
01:05:47I asked PIA.
01:05:49I didn't have a privatization.
01:05:50I didn't see it.
01:05:51That's clear.
01:05:53The privatization is very good.
01:05:56It may be a bad thing.
01:05:58The public's users can send it to the privatization.
01:06:02The public's users can send it to the privatization.
01:06:04They can do it.
01:06:05The members of the employees,
01:06:06they can do it.
01:06:08can also be privatization and protect them as well as they can also do it. So, if you
01:06:19go to the stock market, you will see the stock market and the people who say that,
01:06:25you will not be able to do it. You are a public interest protector. So, public interest
01:06:30protection for protection, but in that committee, where the minutes of the agreement
01:06:37Excuse me.
01:07:07because we say that we reached the end, road shows, all had happened.
01:07:13Last minute.
01:07:14Now we are very bad people.
01:07:17We are always bad people.
01:07:20We could not do this last year.
01:07:22This was the government.
01:07:24This was the army chief.
01:07:25This was the government.
01:07:26This was the government.
01:07:27This was the government.
01:07:28This was the government.
01:07:28Why not do this?
01:07:30So the government.
01:07:31We are the government.
01:07:34The government.
01:07:36How much of the government was privatized?
01:07:41The privateized entities were selling their shares.
01:07:44That's not privatization.
01:07:45The privatization had been done.
01:07:47One entity.
01:07:48A small electric company.
01:07:51It was privatization.
01:07:52I think Zubayr was a very competent privateization minister.
01:07:55A very technical background.
01:07:58You had a strong privateization minister.
01:08:02Your Prime Minister Nawaz Shri fully backed.
01:08:05You could not do privatization.
01:08:07Five years ago.
01:08:09You are only talking about this.
01:08:12The rest of the government.
01:08:13They are trying to privatize.
01:08:15They are trying to privatize.
01:08:16They are saying that as a policy.
01:08:18You were anti-privatization.
01:08:20In 10 years.
01:08:20There are 500 billion losses.
01:08:22If you are opposed to that time.
01:08:24I am asking you.
01:08:26Your speeches are very popular.
01:08:28First of all.
01:08:29Yes.
01:08:29The report is just given to us ...
01:08:32The part was in this point
01:08:35The dennis person that who has got the partyרה that was.
01:08:38먹어 on his party to finance minister did.
01:08:39Later on, Mr. Nawaz Shri respected.
01:08:42He wasn't aường nod.
01:08:45That was the realнет that he came to the office where we already heard.
01:08:46I couldn't do your prayers.
01:08:47So what does it do?
01:08:50by the way, they have all the votes.
01:08:52They gave us the need for the privatization.
01:08:56They said, that we have a oppose.
01:08:58So what?
01:08:59They said, that we have a good government.
01:09:00We have a good election.
01:09:01We have a fresh election.
01:09:03What did they say?
01:09:04They said that the act of 1957 was running in a position.
01:09:08Therefore, you have to create a committee.
01:09:10And you have to involve that.
01:09:13They had majority of assembly.
01:09:16So then the law became open for the opposition.
01:09:19you were scared of opposition
01:09:20you were scared of opposition
01:09:21you were scared of opposition
01:09:22this is what they say
01:09:25what they say
01:09:28they say that the whole
01:09:29government has had a majority
01:09:33we said that you have
01:09:35a face to face
01:09:36our order
01:09:38has no idea
01:09:40our whole things
01:09:41we have to say that
01:09:45we have to say that
01:09:47and the other thing I'm asking you to ask you
01:09:52the rest of those were the active privatization list
01:09:54and I'm saying again that a competent
01:09:58privatization minister was Muhammad Zubair
01:10:00and a whole privatization
01:10:04back to the prime minister Nwaz Shreef
01:10:06I know how many privatization
01:10:09was so small and small
01:10:11and that was privatized
01:10:13in the entire period
01:10:17the privateization
01:10:18was the government
01:10:19was the Muslim League
01:10:21although the majority
01:10:21was not the government
01:10:22how did it privatization
01:10:24600 rubric
01:10:25will give you and me
01:10:27the government
01:10:29the PIA is having another
01:10:30but the PIA will give you and me
01:10:32the government
01:10:33the government
01:10:36doesn't do it
01:10:37that's why privatization
01:10:39it's not that's why
01:10:40it's not that
01:10:41who did the announcement
01:10:45do you think you have to be a good idea of the opposition?
01:10:52You know, you have to be a good idea of the opposition.
01:10:53You have to be leading the opposition.
01:10:55They said they were anti-privatization.
01:10:58I was saying that I was like the bomb,
01:11:00I'm just like the bomb and I'm like the bomb.
01:11:02How do you say that?
01:11:04I'm asking you this.
01:11:06An unpopular decision is getting on the government.
01:11:12so that means that you are thinking that it was a lot of government
01:11:16which is not a lot of popularity from Asad Umar because Asad Umar has opposed
01:11:22that is why Asad Umar is so important that the whole government is sitting there
01:11:29please go serious accusation they had a clear majority any law that they wanted to change
01:11:35they could change they could privatize whatever they wanted they did not need a single vote from PTI
01:11:42so this is how to put PTI and with the meaning of it I will repeat again
01:11:47without making a statement I would like to ask you that you think that Khan
01:11:53has so much jailed and his wife is so jailed and they will be sitting and thinking that
01:11:59he has left me and left me and he has so much jailed and he has so much jailed and
01:12:05he has so much
01:12:05party chairman you think that this will be a thought process and will be a maiusi
01:12:09that I do not know and if it will be a case then it is absolutely a case
01:12:13that such people who were together who were very quickly and everyone has a
01:12:19own threshold and all of them have a similar relationship all of them are not
01:12:21Imaran Khan at this time the same time they keep the same as they are all
01:12:26all of them in your opinion and because you are so close and you think they have a good jailed
01:12:31Now the victims of this crime were very many things.
01:12:34They were drug addicts, they couldn't kill, they were very angry.
01:12:38They were very angry. They were not going to survive.
01:12:41But he didn't do it.
01:12:42When he was arrested,
01:12:45one week after his brother,
01:12:47he didn't sit there.
01:12:50My brother asked me a question
01:12:52that if he was given, he would have given him?
01:12:57He said that the question was not going to happen.
01:12:59Okay.
01:12:59He has a strong and weakness.
01:13:03I didn't have any doubt about it.
01:13:05At that moment,
01:13:06if you can understand it,
01:13:08if you can understand it,
01:13:11it is a very big difference.
01:13:13Thank you so much for taking out time.
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