00:01It's 2036, and we are all gathered again to mark 20 years since Brexit.
00:05What do you think the relationship with the EU will be then?
00:09Jacob?
00:10I think it will be a friendly third-party relationship.
00:13I think the EU will no longer be hankering for us to return, if it still exists,
00:16and that we will be thriving outside the clasp, the dead hand of EU regulation.
00:22We'll have made trade deals globally. We've got the CTPPP.
00:25We've got so many opportunities globally, so I'm very excited about it.
00:29I mean, the trade deals that were promised, they were a big part of the lies.
00:33Not that they're happening, all of which we'd have to give up if we rejoin.
00:36The relationship in 2036?
00:38Well, the truth is I don't know.
00:39What do you hope for?
00:40What I hope for is what I described earlier.
00:43Europe, where you have...
00:44Having rejoined or some other kind of...
00:46Having joined a totally different organisation,
00:49in which it's possible, for example, to have different levels of membership,
00:53in which it's possible for the Western Balkans to be in on one basis,
00:56for Ukraine to be in on the other,
00:57for the Turks to be part very much of a defence alliance,
01:01but there's part of European defence, for the Norwegians...
01:04But no one in the Commission is talking about it.
01:05These are two very different visions.
01:06Some of them are.
01:07It's not happening.
01:07The enlargement people are.
01:09David Cameron couldn't get anything out of his renegotiation,
01:12which he announced at Bloomberg.
01:13I think Alice was imagining a very different kind of EU.
01:17No, she's asking 20 years.
01:18You have to look ahead, Jacob.
01:19I told you earlier.
01:2010 years.
01:212036, not 2014.
01:2220 years from the...
01:23Anyway, we are still...
01:24All right, all right.
01:25All right.
01:25All right.
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