00:00I would say, I'm going up there Tuesday and I've got a lot of, you know, friends on the ground.
00:03The issue is, you know, the Labour Party is toxic in Macafield.
00:07That's the reality we have to face. Have you been, Clive?
00:09I know this for a fact. But you've never been. I live there.
00:13I'm going up tomorrow. Come on, no, please.
00:15You've seen the literature. It is Andy Burnham.
00:18It isn't about the Labour Party because it's the only way we're going to win the by-election.
00:22I'm just going to make this point. I've lived in this town for 17 years.
00:25I'm sure you have, but I've got eyes, I've got ears, I can read, I can listen, I can speak
00:28to people.
00:28You can't listen if you haven't been and spoken to anyone.
00:30But I'm going up tomorrow and I know this for a fact.
00:33So the reality is the Labour Party does have to get its act together.
00:36It does have to change.
00:38Keir Starmer has had two years, plus his time in opposition.
00:42He hasn't delivered in the way that he needs to.
00:43Can I respond to this?
00:44And I will just finish. Andy Burnham is making inroads in this by-election.
00:49I'm not trying to talk over you, I'm just going to say, I've been listening.
00:52Andy Burnham is making byroads because he's the insurgent,
00:54because he's got an analysis, which is very different from Keir Starmer's,
00:57which is actually about something that is resonating with people in Makerfield
01:00across the north-west and across the country.
01:03And I think that's why he's doing really well.
01:04We've been friends for a long time, but this is precisely what I mean
01:07about the country being cut out of the conversation.
01:09You don't know our community, you've never been,
01:11and there is a breathtaking arrogance to talking about what communities think
01:15and feel when you've never met a single one of them.
01:18So come up, I'll happily take you for a pint.
01:20We'll have a chat with some people.
01:21We are going tomorrow, so tell if you can do that tomorrow.
01:23And we can do that then, but let's not cut the country out of the conversation.
01:27That's how we get into this sort of thing.
01:28That's how we get into this sort of thing.
01:28That's how we get into this kind.
01:29We can do this much.
01:29That's how we get into this room.
01:29That way we get into this room.
01:31You can just take off the conversation.
01:31That podcast and destroy the content.
01:31We can do that tomorrow, that's how we get into this room.
01:32That is a good question.
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