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01:23στις αρήθος της ιδριακής.
01:25Η Ευρώπη είναι εξωτερικές ανθρώπες στην αιρήθμιση.
01:28Είναι για την εξωτερική ανθρώπη.
01:30Και η ΕΑΕΝΙ είναι επίσης για την ΕΕΕΕΕΘ.
01:34Περόντα που αποτελείται από την αιεθμική ανθρώπη,
01:37το οποίο σημανείς στην αιεθμική ανθρώπη διάστημα,
01:40επειδή είναι πολύ σημαντικό ανθρώπης να συμβαίνει στην αιεκοπία,
01:47But the EU would say, well, we're too reliant on the United States for financial services as well as digital
01:53services.
01:54And one example that has come up over the past few months is the U.S. sanctions on judges at
01:58the International Criminal Court,
02:00where those judges who live in The Hague, in a European country, can no longer use their Microsoft accounts
02:06and can no longer use U.S. credit cards or credit cards that everybody else has.
02:10So they feel that's not right, but also they shouldn't be relying on the U.S. for supplying these services.
02:17We definitely have disagreements with these particular judges and the way that they've dealt with international law
02:25and American companies, American individuals, as well as other people around the globe.
02:31But this is a small part of what's involved in a massive relationship, a cross-continental relationship that's very, very
02:42intertwined.
02:43You really can't. You can't break it up. You can't remove it.
02:47You can't. Europe is far enough behind the United States and China that it really can't catch up.
02:54So I don't know that separating off is going to solve the problems they're trying to solve.
02:58But the point I suppose they're making is that they need to be independent to protect themselves from a sovereign
03:04perspective.
03:04But also there are concerns because of the last year or so with the Trump administration.
03:10The Europeans feel slightly under threat or slightly coerced.
03:13If you look at maybe the trade deal that was agreed in Turnberry just at the end of last summer,
03:19that there was a 15 percent tariff rate imposed on the Europeans.
03:23It wasn't much of a negotiation.
03:24You have also the Greenland issue.
03:27So the Europeans feel now is the time not to decouple, but to at least de-risk from the United
03:32States as well as China.
03:33So with the trade agreement, the trade agreement is an effort that President von der Leyen and President Trump mutually
03:40negotiated
03:41to try and rebalance a very unbalanced trade relationship.
03:45Our largest trade deficit in the world is with the European Union.
03:48Now, it is the largest trade relationship in the world.
03:51But for years, you would pay a 10 percent tariff to sell a Cadillac in Berlin,
03:56but you'd only pay a 2.5 percent tariff to sell a Mercedes-Benz in Detroit.
04:00And nobody in Europe seemed to be complaining about the imbalance at that point in time.
04:05It's only now that we're trying to rebalance the relationship that that inequity created that people are complaining.
04:10The 50 percent tariff you mentioned is on steel and aluminum.
04:14And I will also point out that Europe has a 50 percent tariff on steel and aluminum.
04:18The idea of those tariffs is both to keep out subsidized product from China,
04:25where they're selling steel and aluminum at prices that really nobody in the world can compete with
04:32because they're subsidized by the Chinese government.
04:35So Europe is doing the same thing on steel and aluminum that the United States is.
04:39On Greenland, what the President said was he wouldn't take any options off the table.
04:43Greenland is a very strategically important issue for the United States.
04:47It's important for Europe.
04:48I don't think really a year ago, if we had this discussion,
04:51people would be as aware of how strategically important Greenland is.
04:55So it's important for the United States.
04:57It's important for Europe.
04:58And it's important that people understand that this is an area of the country,
05:02an area of the world where China and Russia will try and take advantage.
05:07And I think they're a little more nervous about how the United States would react
05:10than they are about how Denmark would react.
05:12So could you say then that Denmark has nothing to worry about?
05:15Because we did also see the Prime Minister of Greenland saying that the U.S. envoy to nuke
05:20pretty much had the same intentions as Donald Trump said he did back in January.
05:24Marco Rubio said Greenland's part of Denmark for now.
05:27So it seems to be a little bit more than highlighting the security threat from Russia and China
05:32in the high north and the Arctic.
05:33Well, but it did highlight the security threat.
05:36I think that's the important point here.
05:37Whether or not the United States becomes more involved
05:39and the extent to which we become more involved will, in fact, be decided by the President,
05:44Secretary Rubio, not by me.
05:46But I think it's important we understand that it's important that the United States be involved
05:50and remain involved in Greenland.
05:53And I think Europe has now realized that it needs to step up its defense and its position
05:59with respect to Greenland.
06:00And so I think we're headed in the right direction.
06:02Where it ends up, that'll be, as I said, up to the President and the Secretary of State.
06:07We've seen President Zelensky of Ukraine taking, I suppose, the mantle into his own hands
06:12about trying to end the Russian invasion of his country,
06:16where he wrote a letter personally for President Putin saying that he would like to meet him.
06:21Do you think this is a good idea that the Ukrainians are going to try to take control of the
06:25situation
06:26and the Europeans maybe?
06:27Because obviously the U.S. is very busy dealing with the Strait of War Moose.
06:31So the extent to which the President or Secretary Rubio are involved in the peace negotiations
06:37with Ukraine is obviously something that's in the discretion of the President.
06:43I think he's been very open that he wants to see this war end.
06:47I think it's been a great frustration to him that he hasn't been able to bring about an end to
06:51the war.
06:52I have not talked to him about it, but I'd be very surprised if he objected to Putin and Zelensky
06:57talking,
06:58particularly if it ended up with a resolution to this conflict.
07:01I think the Ukrainian people have lasted here much longer than anybody thought they were going to last.
07:06I think a lot of people thought they maybe wouldn't make it a couple of weeks,
07:09and I think we're in year five.
07:12So they've been incredibly resilient, and I hope they bring about an end to the war.
07:16I think it's important to everybody.
07:17One of the concerns that Europe has is that the Americans are moving away
07:23from the security architecture of the European continent,
07:25which of course the Europeans are saying this is about time, we need to step up,
07:29we need to start paying 5% and so on.
07:32But there's a real fear that that also means in times of war
07:37that maybe our allies won't be there for them.
07:39When you look at the sort of NATO force model
07:40and the reduction of the capabilities that are existing there.
07:43Do you think America is turning away from the Europe?
07:46Well, I think America is refocusing some of its energies and resources on dealing with Asia,
07:53which is we have a competitor in China that really requires that we refocus how we allocate our resources.
08:01And there's certainly nothing wrong with asking Europe to step up and take care of itself.
08:06But look, America came to the defense of Europe twice in the last century.
08:09We defended Europe throughout the Cold War and actually have defended them since the fall of the Berlin Wall
08:15and the end of the Cold War.
08:16So we still have massive numbers of troops here and massive numbers of military armaments and supplies.
08:22There's nothing wrong with the United States cutting back on that
08:25and Europe taking a more assertive role in its own defense.
08:28I think that's something we want.
08:30And I believe it's something that the Europeans now realize and that the Europeans want.
08:33I think that some of the fears from the European capitals is that it's happening at a time
08:38when the United States, particularly President Trump, is extremely disappointed.
08:41He's made that very clear to Mark Rutte and so on, and to the Europeans themselves,
08:45about their lack of support in the aftermath of the U.S. and Israeli strikes on the Iran
08:51in relation to the Strait of Armuts.
08:52Has that situation subsided for Donald Trump?
08:55I don't know that it subsided.
08:58I mean, I know he's very disappointed.
08:59We have a situation where the president, at great political risk,
09:05I mean, his party was not, the MAGA movement is not supportive of foreign wars.
09:11Democrats were going to oppose him no matter what he did.
09:14So without really any political advantage, he assessed the situation,
09:19saw the development of the missiles and the drones in Iran,
09:23and they're continuing to try and get access to a nuclear weapon.
09:27They're having that visible nuclear material where they could create 10 or 11 bombs.
09:32And said rather than kicking the can down the road or passing the buck,
09:36whichever metaphor you want to use, he decided that it was important that he act,
09:41despite the fact that it wouldn't be to his political advantage,
09:43because it was the right thing to do.
09:45We have bases in Europe that we have funded and supported for decades.
09:51We have countries that we've rescued in war and we've been a very reliable ally to.
09:56When they won't even let us fly over their country or use our bases in their countries,
10:01you're going to find the United States, and particularly President Trump, will be very upset.
10:06And I don't know when that subsides.
10:09But hopefully it will over time.
10:11But I don't know if it has yet.
10:12Do you think that this sort of reaction then at NATO is part of that,
10:15saying, look, you didn't come to our aid, so therefore we won't be there for you in times of need,
10:19and that's why we're removing capabilities?
10:21No, I don't think anybody said that.
10:23What I've heard Secretary Rubio say is, look, we're supportive of NATO,
10:26but the reason that we have an alliance is so that we defend each other and work together.
10:30And if that's not how the alliance is going to work, then we need to reassess it.
10:34Nobody, I don't think anybody said we're pulling out of NATO, we're going to pull out of NATO.
10:38What about the Europeans' perspective when they say NATO is a defensive organization,
10:43this was an offensive war outside the territory of NATO,
10:47so therefore the obligation wasn't for us, particularly when we weren't consulted?
10:51I think that's a little too technical and a little too ignoring of reality.
10:55The Iranians have been at war with at least the United States and Israel for 47 years.
11:00I mean, they've been killing people.
11:02They've got these groups like Hamas and Hezbollah that go out and attack.
11:08The U.S. forces and Israeli forces, they've now bombed Cyprus.
11:12They tried to bomb.
11:13They sent a missile down to the island off of India, Diego.
11:18I can't remember what the name of it is, but the island that the British control off the coast of
11:21India.
11:22Diego Garcia.
11:22Diego Garcia.
11:23So I think that may be a technical explanation that tries to get them off the hook
11:29for something they maybe should have done.
11:31Nobody was asking them to send troops.
11:33All we wanted to do was fly over, you know, fly over the countries we defended
11:38and use the air bases or the military bases that we maintain in those countries.
11:42So if you're not willing to do that, what are you willing to do?
11:45So it was a big mistake for a small ask.
11:47Is that what you're saying?
11:48I would say that was a very good summary.
11:52Ambassador Andrew Pudson, thank you very much for joining us.
11:54My pleasure.
11:54Thank you very much for joining us at UR News.
11:55Thank you.
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